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Agree 95% - most users, especially gamers, should opt for the larger cards, if their build can accommodate them. Still, there are people with SFF builds and other hard space constraints, which would be the only reasons to consider this. Again, a niche product at best in presence of the FE.

FYI it’s not really “lifestyle seekers”, whatever you mean by that. It depends on the workload, just like on the CPU side. My recollection from initial baseline YT reviews rather than OCN is that the card hardly ever reaches 450W, and this was for the 1.1V variant. Most people are ordinary users (who also pay electricity bills, often at extortionate prices these days) so we can’t blame manufacturers for releasing products that might appeal to them as long as they provide the high-end line. Different tools for different jobs.

Is this a fair comparison though? Does the 4090 even reach 450W power consumption in normal loads (gaming etc)? If not then this would be in contrast with MaxQ cards which are almost always power limited when busy.

Good questions. They would probably perform slightly worse than the models with oversized coolers, and they could potentially do better (thermally) than a FE - same form factor but 3 fans - given enough space and airflow, so not necessarily in a SFF. Would the difference in performance matter in practice to most users? I doubt it. Those are still very large cards with 3 fans. if the performance delta is minimal, then the smaller form factor has advantages: compactness, may fit narrower cases, multi-GPU viability. The problem for MSI is that they are competing directly with the FE. They should have leveraged the 3 fans and made it 2.5 slot, then they would have had a proper USP.

If only they could make it really fair by degoogling it.

Strange product. The slimmer form factor would work well for multi-GPU builds (not for pure gaming), but in that case the FE is better anyway with the blower design.

Good to know, but for now (and the near future) 192GB is the max on consumer Intel and AMD. The IMCs can barely handle this.

Any discussion of the frame rate generation is basically orthogonal to the discussion of NVidia anti-consumer practices. FRG has pros and cons (I personally don't care either way, but arguably there are some scenarios where it could provide a benefit), but NVidia's attempting to drive sales by not supporting their own older (sometimes still quite powerful) devices is just a con for the consumer. Ideally software features like that would be hardware-agnostic, from the consumer's, rather than Mr 40 Billion's, perspective.

Well done AMD. Need more open tech like this. Everyone, including the “all-important” AI community, is fed up getting ripped off by NVidia. On the other hand, NVidia”s ongoing daylight robbery is slowing things down, which is actually a good thing.

Great question. What could they theoretically do? Add cores? Sure (probably not too many) Increase cache? Yes. Improve the IMC? Almost surely. Hence some residual doubt about the actual features of the 14900K. One would hope they won’t release a 3% faster flagship, as the leaks seam to suggest. Well, hope springs eternal I guess :)

Wouldn”t DLVR be basically equivalent to undervolting, and thus be mostly of benefit in stock benchmarks and to people who don’t tune things in the BIOS? If so, then probably not that much of a saving grace. Hopefully the rumours prove to be FUD and there is more to this refresh, but if core counts are not going up for the 14900K then this is likely to be a disappointing iteration indeed.

lol, what a refresh..

Hey, I was looking for a stronger power brick to help me benchmark my laptop when this came up har har.I guess there would be help. Just what the world needs right now.

You know this is just playing into Jensen's hand, right? He overpriced everything underneath, so that the 4090 appears to be "good value". All of those products are a rip-off really. According to some "online estimates", a typical 4090 costs around $300 to manufacture. If people exercise moderation in consumption of these products (and apparently they do, but probably not enough), the predatory practices will be rightly penalized.

This is a good one: apparently a H100 GPU costs NVidia around $3k, whereas the listed price is ca. $30k. If it”s any consolation NVidia is ripping off businesses even harder than consumers (on per unit basis). in loosely related news (corporate greed, Moderna”s CEO made $400M last year…

Pretty serious case, although I do wonder if that “vertical cooling” setup he showed is ideal. Wouldn’t the bottom rad further heat up the air as it enters the case and the other rad? I would mount the rads top and back or top + side, and have bottom + front intake fans (no rads). Their laptop build quality is good - those things are still tanks, but the inverted mobo is a deal breaker for many. It’s possible those are exactly the customers Alienware wanted out: true power hungry enthusiasts, tinkerers, people who are likely to poke around and notice stuff. People who don’t settle for inferior quality and return/RMA. Much more demanding clientele than the RGB-oriented TVB-happy light gamer crowd that’s their bread and butter now.

My Cosmos-S has this mesh side panel. The thought of butchering this to improve airflow crossed my mind, but couldn't bring myself to do it. The case is quite noise 😉 There is obviously a degree of detriment to the airflow, but on the flipside the mesh does capture some dust. The end result is that the inside of the machine is almost squeaky clean despite heavy use and up to 500cfm of air inflow. Obviously, had the case had a solid side panel, the detriment to the cooling would have been much more substantial. I guess the downside of this design is a bit of extra noise vs a solid panel, which could upset the sensitive. In practice, it's not a problem unless RPMs on those Noctuas start revving up closer to 3000RPM.

Perhaps, although to be honest, I am not quite sure what exactly you are talking about. What problematic human behaviours are we trying to address? How exactly do you propose people address those issues? What does the desirable end state look like, how would an external observer recognise it, how would one go about objectively measuring the quality of people being at peace with themselves? How would that translate to any solutions to the problems at hand? Lastly, are those changes necessary or merely helpful for humanity to be able to address the issue of AGI? (justify) It is certainly easier to talk about end states which would solve the problem. Here is one: In democracies and non-democracies alike, people are acutely aware of the issue, they press politicians/the party/their dictator to the point where AGI research gets globally banned, with any offending entities (individual, companies, states) being severely sanctioned. That amazing state of affairs would do the trick. The question is how to get there, in a situation where the US itself, including DoD, is driving the problem, and the current system is not very amenable to change. I don't think anyone knows a clear solution, so the best we can do is do what ML/AI systems do when they learn - move in the general direction until we get there. I think you would need to be more specific about the solutions you have in mind. As for the call for awareness, it's easier to call for it then get people to achieve it. Awareness of a complex problem like this requires an open mind coupled with a fair amount of background in a few of areas: history and evolutionary biology, in order for people to understand how is it that homo sapiens came to pass and became the dominant species on the planet? Luckily, most of that background should be provided by standard state education, and there are some accessible works on that topic, e.g. books by Yuval Noah Harari quoted earlier. One extra problem there is that some/many people may hold deeply-seated beliefs which are incompatible with the scientific view of the world. If someone believes humans are special/protected by an infinitely powerful entity, then they may not be concerned about any other finitely powerful species/entities. There is also the problem of having a remote idea what modern AI is, how it works etc. Without it, people may not be able to appreciate the risk, including the risk posed by the pace of change in that space. Fortunately, we are at a point where it's easy enough to just demonstrate the current capability to people in order to get their attention, however, it's still difficult for many people (this thread is a good case in point) to make the leap to AGI from where we are. Once the debate gets too technical, the audience is lost. The challenges don't stop there. Even if someone accepts that AGI is very likely around the corner, they may hope we will be able to control it and all will be well. This is in a large part due to the optimism heuristics most people employ - we don't like thinking about negative outcomes, hence WWII etc. Fortunately, here we are back into the less technical common sense territory: if you create entities much smarter then you then either humans in control of them get disproportionally powerful - if those happen to be bad actors then adios muchachos. Or, the humanity loses control of the AGI and all bets are off. Why would a completely independent, free-thinking AGIs devote themselves to being our servants? Nobody knows lol. Even if the risk here is as grossly underestimated as 5-10% of extinction probability, that's clearly unacceptably high. No typical civilian would get on a flight sporting a "low" risk of crash of 5-10%. This topic is covered in great detail in some of the videos posted earlier. Last, but not least - how does one achieve an open mind? I guess this is where things like mindfulness meditation would definitely help, but how do you get people to do engage in this en masse? More questions than answers I guess. Interesting thoughts BTW, thanks. Edit: It's interesting to see where this thread sits in search results in response to query for the thread subject : Google burried it - 3rd or 4th page Bing - less concerned, top of second page Qwant - first page Duckduckgo - first page Another reason to ditch the biased Google/MS search engines

Sorry, I meant a 200mm side panel fan. It’s a nice solution because it provides super quiet airflow directly onto the mobo, however, it does obstruct the view of the “bling-bling” inside. Virtually every current PC case seems to have a solid (mostly glass, sometimes metal) rather than mesh side panel. I guess nobody cares about air/AIO cooling anymore lol, not least because custom loops are significantly more expensive which is always good for the industry, but probably mostly due to the gamery aesthetics.

Must be a part of a broader campaign. Predicting the future is hard, but at the moment it’s a buyers’ market, with no economic boom on the horizon. Let’s enjoy that aspect of this situation I guess. Very nice review and case, thank you. Just two general points: 1. Doesn’t the PSU shroud make it awkward to access the PSU panel? Can it be done without removing any components to get rid of the shroud? 2. I wish cases today had a 120mm side fan, but at least this one has a mesh (rather than glass) side panel? Or is it metal?

From what I can see in the UK, FE cards retail at a £100 discount vs launch price, and there are AIB 4090s to absolute boot. The reason I provide the reference is that often, particularly around launches, it feels like the UK is the last major economy to get any stock (very surprising after 13 years of conservative governments, and given the astonishing success of Brexit, but I digress). If we see an avalanche of stock here, no worries about the US. My advice would be: need it? Get it. Don't need it? Relax. BTW I think there have been some sponsored FUD news being disseminated by certain influencers (hello Jay our old friend) about an impending AI boom of crypto proportions in the Geforce sector, which is mostly nonsense IMHO - the main story is the collapse in demand from gamers.

Given how funny he can be, and assuming the tech side of things holds water, I have a feeling his sub count would 10x++ if he just managed to cut the profanity out. Then again, it doesn’t look like he cares at all. Seems very happy to be a foul-mouthed desert village chieftain.

I knew something was missing in the discussion so far. Bro @electrosoft to the rescue with a FC link 😄 Style aside, he made a lot of good points, including calling GN a bit hypocritical on relationships etc.

Why are you so concerned about all this? We are the winners here. The s…storm around the quality of testing and bias/fairness will mean YTers will be paying more attention to this in the future. if you like LMG content and are worried they will go under, don’t. The exec team will pull through on this, maybe fire a scapegoat or two to show the world they care.

No offence, but isn't this a bit naive? Let's say that CNN says something negative about Fox News. Do you imagine Fox News people calling CNN asking them to issue a public clarification or withdrawal of their statements (or vice versa)? They are arch-competitors and would be very unlikely to do that unless under a court order. Also take note of LInus' initial response on the WAN show: excuses, attempts to downplay, and blame the other side somehow.