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Nope. The FE card run significantly hotter than the better of the AIB cards. Around 10C hotter and with more noise. But the main problem is that Nvidia have voltage locked the cards. The 4090 cards ain't TDP limited. They are voltage limited. And Nvidia have also opened up the TDP slider for their FE cards this time. Aka big win for Nvidia's in house cards over the AIB cards. Cheaper and the AIB cards won't run much faster in games. The FE design is also appealing for some people (but not my style). I will wait to see when the AIB partners is forced to reduce prices of their more expensive cards. ASUS etc will lose lots of sales due the awful high premium. First batches wil may sell out, but the cards will stay here longer than a couple of months.

Yep, Intel is in trouble. But AMD sit in the same boat. 10nm ain't a problem for Intel. It's their love for new Cpu socket every 2nd year. And AMD should be damn glad for this. Otherwise they would loose a lot sales over to Intel. Yep, 10nm isn't what limiting them. It's their stupid MB/socket change for NO reasons. DOWNTURN IN THE PC SECTOR Intel is reportedly planning to cut thousands of jobs It's not just about adjusting spending on factories and materials, jobs are also to be cut at Intel.... AMD Ryzen 7000 is off to a slow start, Zen 4 sales are not good techspot.com No one is buying the new CPUs I'm sure less sales of new modern processors to help on the Cpu bottleneck due 4000 series graphics cards as 4090 will help Jensen to burn in with his new gen overpriced graphics cards. I don't think Nvidia have understood what times we live in now.

@Mr. Fox Semes work good but come with an disgusting price - $24.99 - The bundle that come with the paste (the applicator to increase waste of paste) is awful idea and only meant to increase price for an already expensive thermal paste. Review of Corsair XTM70 Extreme Performance Thermal Paste Our thermal paste test protocol is very young, it is based on an Intel Alderlake platform with an I9-12900KS and an EVGA Z690 DARK KINGPIN. The tests are carried out under the same conditions with a Heatkiller IV water block at constant pressure. Protocol: The I9 12900KS is set to get 250W of load on cinebench R20. The Pcores are at 5200MHz, the Ecore at 4000MHz and the cache at 4400MHz for a voltage of 1.335V bios LLC +25%. Review: Corsair XTM70 Thermal paste overclocking.com

Nope. But you are stuck with the added max fan speed. I remember when Dell screwed us who bought the AW17. You had to cut one of the fan cables to get the max rated fan speed (max fan speed was only possible when you flashed new bios). And the fan profile in bios was heavly screwed (the fan didn't kick in before the Cpu reached throttle temp and clock speed dropped). Never fixed. The Dell way.

Why? Because they went the Dell route and prefer less noise over offering max cooling performance? 4090 use less power than previous 3090 Ti in benches/games and still run hotter. This with less power consumption. Here there should be some improvements from the AIB partners air cooled cards. Yep, not all run their cards fans at max rpm, but why cap the fan's maximum cooling performance. All this reminds me about how POW castrated their GTX 580 cards cooling capacity with an added 75% fan rpm cap in the vbios. A stupid move if boost bins determines out from max gpu temps. Aka lower temps will provide higher boost clocks. To finish up my testing I of course had to check out the cooling performance. To do this I ran two different tests. I used AIDA64’s Stress Test run for a half-hour each to warm things up. Then I documented what temperature the GPU leveled out at with the stock fan profile and then again with the fans cranked up to 100%. With the stock profile, the Nvidia RTX 4090 Founders Edition did better than I expected it to do given its power levels. I leveled off at 77c which is up in the top ¼ of our charts but is lower than cards like the GTX 1080 and 1080Ti did and just one degree above the RTX 3080. Then with the fans cranked up, the RTX 4090 Founders Edition cooled down but not nearly as much as any of the other cards I’ve tested in the past with it running 67c at full fan speed on both fans. This shows that while the cooler did great with the stock profile, there isn’t too much headroom left in it. I would say that Nvidia’s fan profile is spot on to offer good cooling while keeping the noise down relatively. Of course, if they ran the fans at similar speeds to past Founders Edition cards there would be more headroom left. The RTX 3090 Ti which is a similarly sized card was running cooler at 73c under load and 61c at 100% fan speed which means it had a little more headroom at 12c. https://lanoc.org/review/video-cards/8600-nvidia-rtx-4090-founders-edition?start=9

Full fat AD102 die is 18176 cores. 4090 is 16384 or come with sub 11% less cores. Nvidia need to push out much faster vram, a lot higher TDP and clocks for 4090Ti to make it perform +20% faster.

And the benchers recommend Win 10 for some benches, same for win 7 and Win XP. Not many use Win 11 for going after best performance. There is several fixes for the thread scheduler. Processor lasso is one of them. No need for Win 11 to make use of the different cores. Shouldn't be. I would wait for tests to see if the bend frames maded for socket 1700 have a positive inpact on temps for Raptor lake. Or just test it for yourself. 4090 FE reviewed... Review: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Founder edition guru3d.com By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 10/11/2022 03:00 PM | 65 comment(s) ] NVIDIA unveiled their much-anticipated Series 4000 graphics cards, beginning with the GeForce RTX 4090 founder edition. The new graphics card provides great performance, more extensive raytracing features, and DLSS 3.0 thanks to upgraded Tensor cores. Join us for a thorough assessment. Read the review here. Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 review: Fantastically, futuristically fast pcworld.com Nvidia's monstrous GeForce RTX 4090 delivers luxuriously fast frame rates and futuristic features, but DLSS 3 may be the real star. The GeForce RTX 4090 is so fast that it can sometimes run into CPU bottlenecks even playing at 4K resolution with the eye candy maxed in some games, but esports games and older DirectX 11 titles don’t necessarily push it to its blistering limits. The 4090 is just 36 percent faster than the 3090 in Total War: Troy—a solid result, but one dwarfed by the advances in DX12 and Vulkan games. Likewise, while the RTX 4090 easily tops the CS:GO benchmark charts, the meager frame rate improvements at 4K and 1080p show that this long-established DirectX 9 title doesn’t have much more to give to Ada Lovelace’s might. The GeForce RTX 4090 embarrasses all previous GPU contenders in all games, full stop. The uplift isn’t quite as convincing in esports and DirectX11 titles, but the victories are there, and in games running the more modern DX12 and Vulkan APIs, the RTX 4090 is anywhere from 55 to 83 percent faster than the RTX 3090. That’s on par with the RTX 3080’s uplift over the RTX 2080. AndJensen said 3080 was 100% performance uplift above 2080 Ti.

I expect a lot people and companies hate the idea getting a more unstable and buggy OS. Why buy new hardware only to try get this never ending mess? I'm quite sure they know they won't gain much with such a upgrade. Worse for the wallet and worse for your moode. A big win if you skip both 🙂 The Windows 11 22H2 file copy performance bug could be far worse than first thought Oct 8, 2022 · HOT! 23 Microsoft recently acknowledged a problem with file copy speeds on its Windows 11 2022 feature update as a big slow-down of up to 40% was noticed. However, the problem could actually be even worse. Why release this? Microsoft use thousands if ont millions of guinea pig and noone is able to catch the bugs. And Microsoft test engineers fails as well. Just release a single new OS every 3rd, 4th or 5th year. And spend all years before the release for testing. LATEST NEWS Windows 11 22H2 is full of bugs: Check them out here

Stay below 0.6Nm. I would say even well below 0.5Nm. Hand tight the screws with a force of your thumb and index finger is good enough (both the bend fix frame and the water block). You don't need a torque screw driver for this. See also.. https://www.igorslab.de/cpu-temperaturen-im-rahmen-thermal-grizzly-thermalright-jeyi-und-feng-zao-lga1700-frames-im-vergleichstest/3/

Hola bro etern 🙂 With an perfectly flat cold plate it will help (see igorslab's testing). But not so much if the cold plate is somewhat convex shape as they do for many of the AIO's heatsink(made for socket 1700). I didn't see a major difference from it. But the newer EK heatsink's I got was designed for socket 1700, so.

Or try to mach new pc sales forwards. Industry Hardware PC makers continue to struggle with declining shipments

Not many options above Alienware 17/18 from 2013/14. Or replace the dying parts of your M17xR4. Another option is an used Clevo P870 series. They offer 2xM.2 + 2x2.5 HDD slots and a lots of I/O ports but no DVD drive bay. All we have left today is thin and slimy with 1 or two M.2 slots for storage/OS. All laptop OEMs nowadays try to match Apple's modern slim and thin chassis size and with minimal of I/O ports. Gaming books or laptops for creators is all the same.

This solutions is not an options for corporate/companies. And hence we will see Win 10 and even 7 keep goin g into the future. Microsoft just can't cut of Win 7 or 10 within 3 years. Hence... Forget Win 11 as option for people/companies🙂 Lansweeper's study sees Windows 10 (81.8%) ahead of Windows Server (8.8%) and Windows 7 (3.4%). Windows 11 only comes fourth with a share of only 2.6 percent. No upgrade to Windows 11: System requirements are too high for many companies https://www.computerbase.de/2022-10/kein-windows-11-in-unternehmen/

AMD lowers forecast after weak processor sales Business today 09:48 Weak results on the consumer side cause AMD to warn and adjust the company's financial forecast for both the next quarter and on an annual basis. It is mainly one segment that is affected, what AMD refers to as "Client". It is usually AMD's cash cow and includes, among other things, Ryzen processors for both desktop and laptop computers. According to AMD, it is low sales figures on the consumer side combined with excess inventory. The latter forces OEMs and partner manufacturers to lower their prices, which in turn affects what average price (ASP) AMD can charge. There, lower ASP for specific processors is pointed out.

Not horrible, LOOL Maybe it will do better with 4090.

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If the board becomes stiffer it may help a bit on Intel's ILM bend fiasco. Aka the board will look more as it should have been with the Cpu mounted and not as a banana. Maybe Intel subsidise the extra layers?🙃

I just love your honnst comments. But be you sure.... Dell will milk the 95C normal for AMD ecual as they say 100C is ok for Intel. This way they can cut costs as usual. Aka nothing have changes as long Dell rely on Travis North.

I'm sure many chassis manufacturers is very happy now. Same also for the GPU Riser Express Cable manufacturers. And I expect Nvidia know about the problem and hence didn't go bananas and made the FE cards longer than what they already are. People want smaller chassis. Now they don't need turn on the electric oven in the winters. Pair this with the new 95C normal from AMD and coming 350W processors from Intel. Bigger is better. I know. Hence I went with 1000D 🙂 And not because next gen graphics cards will be bigger than ever. I just like it big. Big is better. And all "Black" @jaybee83I have correct. Nvidia want to get rid of the AIB partners. Hence they offer more than the stock TDP.... https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-spotted-reaching-3-0-ghz-and-616-watts-with-gpu-stress-tool#:~:text=Furthermore%2C GPUs such as Founder Edition reportedly has a power limit up to 600W%2C which may explain what card was used for this test.

Below 1080. 1080 and above will be too expensive if you only bench for points and don't use it for gaming. Even an 980 Ti or 1070 is still expensive for this type hobby.

Put it the other way... 4090 FE was rumored to have 3 x 8-pin PCIe power adapter due 450W target. But got 4 x 8-pin PCIe power adapter. Either for more wattage than the rumored 450W or less fire (reduced chance to be sued)😄

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition Right out of the gate we've got NVIDIA's brand new GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition graphics card, which rocks a considerable amount of grunt -- not just in GPU silicon, but cooling technology, design, and more -- which shouldn't be a surprise. NVIDIA's in-house Founders Edition graphics cards are some of the best you can get, and I'm sure NVIDIA is keeping the best-binned AD102 GPUs for its own GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition 😉 Let's dive right in: Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/10211/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-unboxed-fe-asus-rog-strix-msi-suprim-liquid/index.html Yep, but I think also the Founders Edition will go above 450W. Equal as some of the better cards from the AIB partners. See also what I post about binning. With no Evga we won't see many cards will offer vBios worth to crosss-flash. We have KFA 2 who is in short Galaxy cards. And we know its not easy to get custom software/firmware from Galaxy. Only a very few get those in hands. I expect, seeing several reviews of all cards will be more important than ever.

You'll only lose 24MHz if you drop the fan speed from 100% down to 60%. And at that point I think the average Joe dare to push their fans 🙂 And you'll still get above 5100MHz if you drop it further down to 50%.

I think the Founders Edition will do it great vs AIB partners models (both in performance and cooling). This is first step to get rid of competition from its partners (keep up profits if sales drops). EVGA is already gone... Who next? Give the cards proper love will help them reach their goal faster. Very important now as times changes (people have less to spend on entertainments forwards). Aka offer more for less vs AIB partners. The big question will be... Will they use good binned chips for own cards or sell them to the AIB partners to increase profits here and now. A bigger price difference between own cards and their partners who (need) use binned chips to sell out at higher MSRP will help Nvidia to grab more sales from the average Joe. Dang, double gain (higher profits from silicon and increased sales of own graphic cards). Yep, doing business is fun🙂 ZOTAC confirms GeForce RTX 4090 pricing, from $1600 to $1700 What we have seen with previous launches was that board partners have prioritized the production of the OC models, which resulted in very low supply of the cheapest SKUs. Hopefully, that will not be the case this time, and we will indeed see RTX 4090 at MSRP not just for one day, but for weeks to come. The pricing from Zotac is something Asus really should learn from. 100$ extra for the better binned chips would be more like +200$ if you go with Asus.

Look from 1:50 where DELLs head thermal engineer Travis North in short say you don't need proper cooling. Run your HW at max temps is just fine. Why overspend money on better cooling if the HW run within specs? And if you bought an OEM pc, be prepared for proprietary solutions so forget spend more money on cooling that may not fits🙃