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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Coil whine, rated 8 out of 10. But 8 is still less than 10😀 And Hilbert Hagedoorn is not the only reviewers that have seen the same. Pcgamers needed a replacment card due massive Coil whine. So play the FE lottery. You may win with some luck. If you can find the new FE card for sale. Coil whine The presence of coil squeal in any GeForce RTX 5000 graphics card can vary, depending on the degree of the issue. It becomes audible when reaching high framerates, but typically remains at a manageable level. Within an enclosed case, this sound is likely to blend into the background noise. In our experience with this specific card, the coil squeal has been very noticeable to us. So yes, the Founder edition RTX 5090 will make significant coil whine, rated 8 out of 10. Review: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition (reference) guru3d.com -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
The vram temp will most likely be damn high in a baby sized pc chassis. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition Review - The New Flagship Review Graphics Cards NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 is the fastest graphics card ever released. It comes with a whopping 32 GB VRAM, and support for multi-frame generation, which achieves hundreds of FPS easily. We also managed to disassemble the card, and our review includes performance testing without upscaling or frame generation, too. Hmmm... With Blackwell, NVIDIA has removed the "Hot Spot" sensor, you still have access to "GPU Temperature" and "Memory Temperature". While there was always some drama around Hot Spot, it was useful to diagnose a misaligned cooler or waterblock. For creators and AI, this capability is useful though, as it lets them run larger problems, but that also means that these people, with deep pockets, will snatch away cards from gamers. Yup, 32GB is mostly useful for AI (not for gamers) so a perfect card for creators with deep pockets. When will we see the flagship cards for 4K gamers? Aka 5080Ti with +20GB vram. FYI. If nvidia will make a 800W Titan card.... The cooler neeed to be much bigger. And that will destroy for those that want/need more than one Titan card in their PC. Hence better with 2x5090 FE (dual-slot form factor) if the need is there for AI computing. The card reached a maximum temperature of 77°C, which is cool enough. vram in the mid 90's. Noise levels are pretty high though with 40 dBA. While I'd like to applaud NVIDIA for being brave enough to make their flagship a dual-slot card, I think the vast majority of the market would have been better served with a larger volume design similar to the RTX 4090. Not so sure bro @electrosoft will be happy with the FE temps. But this should be the cheapest 5090. The temps/noise will be quite high in a small mini ITX box. These temps is with the darkFlash DY470. Not Exactly a small form factor PC box. -
*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
https://hwbot.org/submission/5763334_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i9_14900ks_14_sec_133_ms?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5763338_papusan_geekbench3___multi_core_core_i9_14900ks_131068_points?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5763335_papusan_7_zip_core_i9_14900ks_253981_mips?recalculate=true Looking very good. Very pretty 🙂 Eddy at Alphacool said nope. No block for FE. EDIT in this post Because of the failure 5080 with 16GB vram -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Also Pcgamer have re-tested Arrow Lake after Intel's new performance fixes. Same here as other have seen. Yup, some say they (reviewers) don't test it properly. But hey,t hey test it same way as with previous tests. If the results don't improve with same test methodology... Nothing is really fixed. You need test apples vs apples (vs the tests done before). Not vs oranges. And not with some obscure tweaks to try geek out some more performance with the fix. Arrow Lake's had three months of Windows and BIOS updates to fix its performance, and my testing shows in some games, it's worse NVIDIA Details Cool Engineering That Lead To A Smaller GeForce RTX 5090. Yup... First we had Jokebooks now its time for the desktops. Nvidia and their double standards.... NVIDIA's scammed NDAs and why some media seem to be more equal than equal -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Yep, I think they want the creators money so a Titan class is in the cards. As well a xx80 Ti for the gamers at $1500. Edit. Suprim 5090 SOC also have 600W vbios. The cards weight 2840 g https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-5090-32G-SUPRIM-SOC/Specification -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
And it seems Galax killed the HOF. And if you saw that video... Kingpin not even sure it will be team Green. Could it be that Nvidia now have fully control what the different AIB parners engineers can do with Nvidia cards? This doesn't look great. And for MSI.... The new Lightning cards can only be different in design and function (5 fans) but nothing more. Just a better cooling to squize out 1 or 2 bin higher boost clocks than all of the pack so called high end flagship cards. Edit. And who knows... Maybe Nvidia once again start offer the Ti variant or a Titan for 3000$ a few months after the release of 5090. GeForce RTX 5090 with 24,576 CUDA Cores and 800W power consumption appears RTX 5090 Ti? RTX TITAN? -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Y-cruncher is quite toasty. Use more power than Cinebench R23. https://hwbot.org/submission/5761258_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i9_14900ks_14_sec_238_ms?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5761332_papusan_7_zip_core_i9_14900ks_252848_mips?recalculate=true -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
1.100v and +700W. 600W cap and 33% more cores need really good binned chips. Using same old node as for the new and shiny doesn't make magic for the power consumption. Somewhere it has to be a trade off. And the closest I can see is lower max boost clocks. How much voltage Nvidia will allow for Blackwell chips.... I don't know. With later revisions of 4090(FE) they decreased max voltage from 1.1v down to 1.070. The 12VHPWR meltdown, cross-flashing firmware with custom nvflash software for FE cards, the China restrictions (US ban) and Intel's failure for voltage (Vmin Instability Issue)... Anyhing can pop up from a real software company as Nvidia. Even today Nvidia have the implemented voltage capp for 900 series cards intact in newer drivers (no more allowed voltage tuning with the different AIB OC software for Maxwell). Nvidia can be pretty disgusting. Hmmm. Exactly as Intel. Always right before a new model is out. Is it a coincidence, @Mr. Fox? Incredible timing... Nvidia's January GPU driver update patches multiple vulnerabilities -
*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I expect you get lower max boost clock with more cores for the 5090. 33% faster doesn't necessarily mean 33% faster when max oc'd. We'll see how much headroom more cores will get within the max board power limits. Bin quality this gen etc. Need to see results first. And there is no more HOF cards you can grab their vbios for cross-flashing. We'll see. Not so sure Nvidia will go the same route once again with the new (4090FE with an 600W bios). Depending on how confident they are about the new thin 2 slot cooler design. Remember those FE cards is meant used also in thin and slimy pc boxes. And the best Zotac card max out at 600W, so... A measly 600W power limit can in worst case gimp your maxed (OC) boost clocks if you got an average chips. -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I wonder how much performance Nvidia hold back aka rob from older gen cards to up sell the new and shiny. I don think Nvidia have squized out every drop of perfomance (be it raw performance or software based) before next gen is out. NVIDIA DLSS Boss Doesn’t Rule Out Possible Frame Generation Support for RTX 30 Series NVIDIA has used a Supercomputer 24/7 to train DLSS for 6 years straight without a break From 1:12:40 -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Hmmm. That will be the real price if the proposed tax takes effect for the US. But close to $800 USD extra for the Suprim over MSRP cards (FE) without tax is badly enough. Gone is the days you paid $100 extra for the better custom cards. I'm sure EVGA could do decent deals with Nvidia cards if they continued with their business as we see how the prices has becom for custom cards. Imagine +3000$ 5090 K|ngp|n cards. That would be an reality. And not forget the custom blocks from EVGA. Just aldd $500-750 on top -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Take a week off and get in line outside Microcenter. No point start up the car 2.5 hours before the shope opening😁 -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Hmmm. Maybe Tomshardware have the correct answers? Also Paul Alcorn can't see what Intel see. Is slower an improvement bro @Mr. Fox? Is less more nowadays?😎 Our testing shows that Intel’s fix for its Arrow Lake chips isn’t effective in addressing the chips’ lackluster gaming performance, at least on the motherboards we tested with. And we found that the Core Ultra 9 285K’s updated gaming performance with one motherboard is now slightly slower than before. Intel's Arrow Lake fix doesn't 'fix' overall gaming performance or match the company's bad marketing claims - Core Ultra 200S still trails AMD and previous-gen chips Maybe Intel have tested the wrong CPU? Additionally, the required operating system update has improved gaming performance for the prior-gen Raptor Lake Refresh even more than the Arrow Lake chips, so the flagship Core Ultra 9 285K falls even further behind its predecessor -
Thermal Grizzly Releases Duronaut High-Performance Thermal Paste with Exceptional Long-Term Stability Press Release Yesterday, 13:52 Thermal Grizzly's Duronaut thermal paste stands out due to its combination of exceptional long-term stability and excellent thermal conductivity. Its outstanding performance in heat transfer is further enhanced by the ability to apply Duronaut in an extremely thin layer. This is made possible by its unique composition of aluminium microparticles and zinc oxide nanoparticles, optimized for particle shapes and sizes. These features ensure excellent adhesion of the paste to the surface. The powders are mixed into a specially developed silicone oil, resulting in extraordinary long-term stability. For optimal application, the high-end thermal paste comes with the new TG Spatula Pro. The redesigned spatula allows for more pressure to be applied to the surface during application, enabling the paste to be spread more efficiently in a thinner layer. Duronaut is available in 2-gram and 6-gram packaging options.
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Hmmm. I wonder what Intel can see but not the others. See above. Not the first time Intel saw totally different results vs the reviewers. Have Intel posted more improvement patches the last 4-5 days @Talon? Intel claims Core Ultra 200 patches improve gaming performance by up to 26% Synthetic benchmarks show even bigger potential gains -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
$2800 without tax? I will wait and see. With the Norwegian tax I see $3500 on my calculator. Add a block on top and you'll see close to $4000. That's a lot of money for more fake frames. And this is not even for the flagship models. Custom RTX 5090, RTX 5080 listed for up to $2,800 and $1,400 overseas — initial pricing exceeds MSRP Maybe Nvidia will try make a shortage to push up the ASP. And the new 32GBb cards is good for AI work. Nvidia know their drill. NVIDIA RTX 50 will arrive in Spain in dribs and drabs, with retail limitations, AI-capped, and without multi-GPU Why is NVIDIA putting so few units into circulation? Is it waiting to see what AMD does? If so, could those who buy right away see the MSRP adjust in a few weeks when the Reds show off their hardware? Yup, you'll pay a lot extra for less than expected.... The RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 have the same amount of L1 cache as their predecessors, L2 will again be a performance bottleneck -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Hmmm. Edit. Equal disgusting as the weather here home now. Only a phone work https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/kraftig-vind-og-flom-stenger-skoler-og-kommuner-setter-kriseledelse-i-trondelag-1.17211331 -
It's for a reason they all (OEM) want all to upload their bios files on Windows servers. Even Asus fall into their trap with their desktop motherboards firmware. They even try push on you older bios version than you current have on your computer. Disgusting? Yes.
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O&O ShutUp10++ 1.9.1442 released 1/7/2025 About time to scrap M$ 365. And avoid buy anything of software/apps from the Redmond based tech company. Seems they have forgot that there is Open source software outthere that can be used. @Mr. Fox+++ Microsoft is determined to screw users: the end of Windows 10 in 2025 will drag down Microsoft 365, which will only be compatible with Windows 11 If you've been using Microsoft operating systems for years, you've probably noticed that the company sometimes puts out a good product and other times creates a disaster. For years, it seemed like this was alternating with each new release. Microsoft raises Microsoft 365 Personal and Home prices as it adds Copilot and AI features Microsoft introduces Copilot Chat for Microsoft 365 Today, Microsoft introduced Microsoft 365 Copilot Chat, an offering that adds optional pay-as-you-go agents.
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
HaHa. If it wasn't for new gen fake frame feature it would look bad. And Nvidia use increased Total Graphics Power (W) to offer better performance if they struggle to meet their goals. Why not max out TGP for every new generation cards? Can't do this because it will destroy the performance uplift for next gen/refreshed cards. The RTX 50 has a lower transistor density than the RTX 40 despite being manufactured on the same lithographic node -
ThrottleStop 9.7.2 January 16th, 2025 9.7.2 (January 16th, 2025) removed the max multiplier code from the MMIO Lock function. saving of the PROCHOT Offset Lock status is fixed. added Arrow Lake beta support.
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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
The 4090's will be very useful in China forwards (multi-gpu setups). Don't be surprised if we see quite high prices for the 4090's in the used market forwards. This graphics card will continue beeing popular. I expect someone will vacuum the market for 5090 and plow them into China. Be prepared for a new era of shortage of real 5090's. Same with price hike. Scalpers will have a wonderful time forwards if not some find ways to unlock "nvidia's new ways" to lock the 5090D models. This could also boost sales and keep up prices of used 4090's for China market (for multi gpu AI/mining compute). Yup.... Nvidia need to be sure no-one can unlock the 5000 series flagship. Or nvidia risk a more strickt ban of Blackwell GPU's in China. This doesn't look very well for performance enthusiasts in the rest of the world. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090D for China has limits on AI, cryptomining and multi-GPU configs, gaming not affected Testing need to be changed... How do you properly measure the performance of fake frames? With Blackwell, Nvidia recommends everyone doing benchmarks switch to using MsBetweenDisplayChange, as it's apparently more accurate. Looking at the numbers, most of the time it's not all that different, but Nvidia says it will better capture dropped frames, frametime variation, and the new flip metering that's used by MFG. So, if you want to get DLSS 4 "framerates" — in quotes because AI-generated frames are not the same as fully rendered frames — you'll need to make the switch. Nvidia says frame generation and upscaling will require us to rethink benchmarks Yup, show benchmarks the old way just show how little the performance uplift is from 4000 series up to 5000 series. UL aka Futuremark and Ungine need to come up with new benchmarks. They will probably use AI to pick up fake vs real results for the fake frame benchmark leaderboards, LOOL -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Hmmm. More cuda cores will undoubtedly choke the boost clocks further down due the measly Total Graphics Power (W). Not so sure those extra cores will do much without dual power connector, increased board power and better cooling. And nvidia want prefer cute small boards, so... -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
The best way is to avoid the AI and fake frame upscaling if this come as benchmark software... 5000 series GPU If you use the fake frame features all time.... 5080 should be good enough for most gamers. But the 16GB vram limit isn't nice. Should have been minimum 20GB. The 5080 reminds me all too much about the 3080@10GB stupidity. -
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Papusan replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I wonder how hwbot shall handle fake frame benchmarks. They will come. Because newer is always better. Intel fails to raise its head with its Core Ultra 200S CPUs: FPS losses after the wave of patches and firmware, where is the promised performance? This is yet another demonstration that what was seen at CES 2025 is just an attempt to dress up a product, the Core Ultra 200S, which present FPS losses compared to the Core 14 that are impossible for the blues to overcome, not even with overclocking and increased consumption. Gone is the old days with 1080Ti with 50-100$ extra for the better custom cards. Yup.... Newer has to be better. NVIDIA takes custom RTX 5080 binning to the next level: they will have a price difference never seen before with up to 400 euros between models And Zotac is so kind give you 25W more for the more expensive custom cards. Isn't it fantastic? The only thing we need now from Nvidia is a proper signing key to stop cross-flashing. ZOTAC RTX 5090 AMP Extreme INFINITY: this is the first custom graphics card to reach 600W as standard