Mr. Fox

I snagged a Suprim Liquid X "sold and shipped by Amazon" for $1799. I had an Alphacool Eisblock Aurora saved in my wishlist ready to move it to my shopping cart as soon as I confirmed that Amazon didn't ship me a dud sample, but now they are sold out everywhere except for an eBay scalper from Italy offering them for $100 more than MyModMods or Performance-PCs. I haven't mounted the radiator or removed any of the protective plastic from the AIO cooler yet because I am hoping the Eisblock Aurora becomes available soon. The AIO radiator is just standing on end, hose-end-up, in the open space in the middle of my gigantic case. The radiator is just sitting on top of a small cardboard box on the floor of the case to keep the water ports on the radiator higher than the pump in the AIO. Oh man, I am so sorry to hear that. I hope my bad luck cooties didn't find you. I remember that ditch you had to run for non-computer issues. That project alone had to be expensive. If things don't work out with the 3080 keep my 3090 KPE in mind as an option. I haven't tried to sell it yet. I want to keep it and sell the shunt-modded 3060 Ti FTW3, but keep reminding myself that selling it and using the money to offset the 4090 purchase is the more intelligent move. I don't need anything more than the 3060 Ti in my work computer. Keeping the 3090 KPE just because it's better isn't the smart thing to do, but neither was buying a 4090, LOL.

Hey bro! I've been meaning to ask if you and your son got that beast desktop build done. I've been watching for photos and benchmarks.

Clock speeds being flat-lined at the speed you set is how all healthy computers behave. The only legitimate excuse for them changing from what you set is thermal throttling to prevent damage from overheating. Dynamic clocking is for pansies. 😜It used to be easier to do that than it is today with so many things being corrupted by weirdos with goofy ideas about how things need to be and the cancer firmware they use to keep us in line and guide us along their path of corruption. Totally stable with my 13900K just with ambient water cooling. The only thing that needs to be "special" is avoiding lousy silicon quality. What can make it challenging is when the P-cores are decent and don't require tons of vCore and the E-cores are not and require more, since the P- and E-cores use the same vCore value and can't be set independently. If you could control the vCore independently, it wouldn't be hard to do even with mediocre E-core bin quality. You could just give it more vCore and bump the clocks more. The E-cores don't run fast enough to get hot. Core clock frequency was set to 3,060 MHz and averageed out around 3,016 MHz due to gimping of voltage, Green Goblin cancer algorithms and thermal management limitations of the AIO cooler. I have tested the Gigabutt 600W and Galax 666W vBIOS and neither seems to produce tangibly better results than the stock vBIOS because the power limit is never exhausted. I think the higher power limits are more of a gimmick than a useful feature. As amazing as 4090 performance seems, it is rather pathetic compared to what it would be if we could bump the voltage to 1.200V, 1.250V or 1.300V. That might actually make a 600-666W or even a 1000W 4090 vBIOS useful. I am thinking that the crummiest underbuilt 4090 models are going to run about the same as anything made better as long as the GPU core and memory are not dud samples. I've heard that in some of the YouTube reviews and I think it is accurate because the firmware gimps them all the same way. EVGA fanboy love aside, it doesn't get any better than a Dark mobo. Given the option of choosing between an Apex or Dark of a given chipset, the Dark wins hands-down every time. Every time I think I might want a Z790 Apex, I get flashbacks of my list of crappy outcomes and my golden 10900KF that the incompetence of ASSu$ destroyed. The white-only option helps with the temptation to throw good judgment out the door. It would be more tempting if the Z790 Apex was offered in black. The pricing of both mobos in criminal, but so is the price of anything else worth having. That doesn't make it OK, it is only stating the obvious. That's just the messed up world we live in now. The best of anything made for PC is priced for people that allow passion to override intelligence and good judgment, and the pricing only gets you something that is a little bit less half-assed than normal. (Says the silly senior citizen that spent $1800 on a god-tier GPU that has been meticulously designed to suffer from erectile dysfunction.) The Dark and Apex are not as absurdly overpriced as a bottom-end gamerpunk 4090.

I know, right? It's a beast CPU. My cache is set for 50x, too. Things are crazy with clock speeds now. RAM at 8GHz, GPU core at 3.06GHz and VRAM at 24GHz. I wish I could run my CPU P-cores at 24GHz, LOL.

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/29503996 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5198516_ https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88956337 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5198521_

This is my best thus far. Once I get the bare die Velocity2 from EKWB (probably end of month) I will work on pushing 6.0+ GHz on all P-cores in Cinebench.

I can see what they are saying now, but still do not agree with requiring ECC enabled. This will probably move up in ranking on HWBOT when they finish deleting scores that cannot demonstrate ECC was enabled. It knocks roughly 1,000 points off in Time Spy. My CPU and GPU are both overclocked higher than systems with benchmark scores higher than mine. My physics score is much higher, but their GPU scores are off the charts with ECC disabled. There is no point in my submitting scores that beat theirs with ECC disabled if HWBOT is just going to delete them later like they have done to @johnksssand @Papusanalready. @electrosoft +1600 memory seems stable. No artifacts. Using the Galax HOF 666W vBIOS. https://www.3dmark.com/spy/35634413 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5198499_ https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88953755 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5198507_ https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88954202 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5198509_

Not yet on the edge run. I put the Gigabutt 600W vBIOS on it and testing now. HWBOT is apparently making a big deal out of it because some of the golden boys with influence got butt-hurt because some peons matched or beat their scores and they claimed the scores were bugged because ECC was not enabled (even though the scores for the golden boys didn't have ECC enabled). Hypocrisy in motion. https://community.hwbot.org/topic/221655-mandatory-systeminfo-555-update-and-new-benchmark-rules-for-rtx40-series/?do=findComment&comment=634934

I answered my own question. ECC garbage really gums up the works. About 6% slower even with a higher overclock. HWBOT sucks for making that a requirement. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sw/339800/sw/339363#

Darn. Nobody except an eBay scalper from Italy has Alphacool Eisblock Aurora in stock for the 4090 Suprim. I can pay more for a Bykski block, but I don't think that is a smart move. I guess I will have to wait until someone has the Eisblock. They were available last week. I think it will more likely be better. Anyone here interested in the 3090 KPE with stock hybrid and Hydro Copper block?

Definitely voltage limited. Lowering temps is going to be key to working within the gimped 1.100V sissy-boy voltage cap. It seems really strange to only see 700W being pulled from the wall on my power meter. I am used to seeing 950W to 980W in Time Spy with the 3090 KPE.

It has no problem with +1500 on memory. I've only tried +135 on core (which put it at 3000), but I think that it is going to be thermally limited until I get a legit waterblock for it and start pumping chilled water through it. I can kind of tell already, LOL. Have you found enabling ECC changes memory overclock capacity or performance? There are some cities where it might freak some people out if they are in a liberal anti-gun state, but that kind of place is where you actually need it the most. The crime is a helluva lot worse in those places. I would imagine in foreign countries where firearm ownership is severely restricted or banned it would really make people freak out since only outlaws and cops have them. I live in an open-carry state that requires no permit, so it would not freak out anyone else. It's as normal as breathing air and drinking water. Only the anti-gun Nazis have a problem with it, but they should find a new place to live so it doesn't bother them. And, I think that is being kind. I have better success selling on Craigslist. Every time I have tried to sell something on Facepoot Marketplace the people have all been very goofy, and usually didn't show up for an appointment to see/buy what I was selling. I can't say too much because I have a wife, other family and co-workers that spend a fair amount of time on Facepoot just as a means of checking in on people they care about, but IMHO is it crawling alive with weirdos and I want no part of it. I know I can block everyone I don't want to associate with, but I don't want to patronize Zuckerbutt's Meta(stasized) filthbook.

The 4090 seems like it is probably a decent sample. I literally just got it and installed it. I will do some more testing to confirm it's not a turd before ordering a waterblock for it tomorrow. Stock: OC'd: The best reason to is because you can, and no other reason is necessary. Never know when you might need it, even if for a reason unrelated to the reason you are there. Always better to have it and not need to use it, than need it and wish you hadn't left it at home.

That is a strange story. I would keep telling them if open carry, just so they don't freak out and think you have nefarious intentions. If concealed carry, then I would not tell them. Kind of defeats the purpose. I would not cancel the transaction if it were me. The fact that you are telling them prior to the meeting should dispel any notion that you have evil intentions. But, some people are just flipping idiot weirdos when it comes to firearms, so it would not surprise me if the person is a gun control Nazi that they might cancel the meeting. I've heard stories about restaurant owners that are anti-gun goofballs that refuse to serve people that are carrying a handgun even if they have a permit. They would not deserve to get any of my money, even if I were not carrying.

Hopefully mine will be at least that good. If not, it's going back to Amazon for a refund. Will know later today. It has been sitting at UPS since Tuesday on delivery hold since I was out of town until last night. Maxing out at +700 is unacceptable. Premium price demands a premium product, and that is garbage.

yeah I bought a 3060 it handles everything at 1080p and alot of games at 4k and 1440p. but im just benching these days. that 3060ti should be good for gaming for quite some time if your just doing 1440p/1080p it handles the next big engine (45fps) and thats about it. you really dont need more than 45fps but 60-120 is nice I played several hours of Crysis 3 Remastered last night on my laptop and the Quadro P5000 handled it with ease, even with all of the eye candy enabled.

benching... only I don't need one for anything else other than beating my best 3090 scores. For gaming, I don't even need the 3090. I am content with the gaming performance of the 3060 Ti at this time.

It is a mistake to judge a book (or a notebook) by its cover. Small size usually means compromise and diminished capacity. Being big on the outside does not mean big on the inside, or big performance. If the guts are no better than the small turdbook it is going to run like a small turdbook. It is more than probable that the extra size will include wasted/unused space to accommodate a larger screen and keyboard, but not a more robuse motherboard or an excellent cooling system.

All laptops should ship with a protective skin like this one by default. It applies universally.

100%... Well said, Brother. Yup, each will rise to their own level of incompetence. There is not a single shred of awesome or excellent to be found.

The part that is revolutionary is the widespread celebration of lameness and mediocrity. All they need to do is say it is special for the sheeple to get excited. It doesn't matter that it is a lie because its success is derived exclusively from the ignorance of consumers.

My friends are mostly here. I have never met most of them/you. My friends that are not here are those that I like to be around when I have the luxury of choosing who I want to be around.

If you mean this... Probably not very much.

It is ironic, especially in light of the asinine 4090 prices, and particularly so considering how severely they are crippled by the NVIDIOTS; whereas the Dark is the extreme antithesis of crippled.