Mr. Fox

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Thank you. It's getting more difficult to enjoy the sport for reasons such as what you mentioned (quoted below). Tempting if you are a silly person. We often lean in the direction of silly when it comes to the strange compulsion to be on top when, at the end of the day, being a winner gets you nothing but a thinner wallet. Unless you are among the chosen elite that get cherry-picked products for free to facilitate marketing propaganda, then it's someone else's wallet.

The 3rd place out of 1426 submissions regardless of core count is certainly more meaningful than the hardware specific results. As people lose interest in benching--partly due to garbage tech, partly due to consumer ignorance, partly due to rigged scenarios with sponsors providing cherry-picked parts to chosen subjects and leaderboard politics--placement on the leaderboard is rapidly losing significance. It's a dying sport because of shifting priorities and probably the need for deliberate stealthy grooming of public opinion to distract consumers from the degradation of performance that goes with that territory. Thin, light, low-power have been made popular with a self-adoring population that excludes differing priorities. It is also worth mentioning that in most CPU and many memory-intensive workloads, Windows 7 steals the show. Windows 8.X, 10 and 11 are harmful to CPU performance. It is very difficult to match physics performance tests like those in 3DMark 11, Sky Diver, wPrime and Cinebench if you are competing against Windows 7 running a newer OS. In spite of the rhetoric about Windows 11 alleged thread scheduling superiority, it's not enough to close the gap. I do not think it is a coincidence that UL/3DMark is categorizing benchmarks like 3DMark 11 and Sky Diver as obsolete/no longer supported. It's because newer OSes can't compete when CPU performance is important to the outcome. It is not because they are no longer relevant from a graphics performance perspective because lots of modern games still use DX11, and lots of people still enjoy older games that use DX11 (and DX9, DX10 for that matter). So, it's ludicrous to take the position that it is not relevant. It's also an interesting "coincidence" that Cinebench R23 was deliberately/conveniently made to not run on Windows 7.

Exactly that, put to music. The lyrics describe this problem, and others.

Look closely at the screenshot from HWBOT with the ranking. There is a ranking for same CPU and a ranking for core count, and a third ranking for all CPUs. Same logic applies to GPUs.

The way that big pharma has been propped up it would definitely hurt the economy from their perspective. Same can be said of many diseases that they don't want to be cured. The goal of big pharma is not public health and well-being, but long-term dependency on the potions and placebos they provide. I am not anti medicine by any means, but I am anti big pharma and big tech and big government.

I don't know what kind of dishonest nonsense the mainstream media vomits into the zombie sheeple feeding trough in the UK and EU, but if it remotely resembles the disinformation and leftist propaganda they bombard the public with here, it is nothing short of phenomenal. The current POTUS administration has caused severe damage to the US and Canadian economies on an order of magnitude that dwarfss the greatest presidential leadership failures in decades. This loser's reign of failure and domestic terror comes on the heels of the most successful administration by every legitimate measurement during my lifetime. You'd never know it by watching the "news" though, because they are compulsive liars that control the narrative, manipulate and distort facts and blatantly misrepresent information to push their insane agenda. He could have invented a cure for cancer and they would have hated him for it and called him every name under the sun rather than admit he did something good and right.

/img/logo.png Mr. Fox`s Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate score: 44871 cb with a Core i9 13900K HWBOT.ORG The Core i9 13900K @ 5900MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate benchmark. Mr. Foxranks #38 worldwide and #27 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT. /img/logo.png Mr. Fox`s Cinebench - R20 score: 17043 cb with a Core i9 13900K HWBOT.ORG The Core i9 13900K @ 5828.3MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R20 benchmark. Mr. Foxranks #38 worldwide and #29 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

3DMark 11 Physics Score https://hwbot.org/submission/5187366 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/15562679

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187340 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88212231 GPU Score: https://hwbot.org/submission/5187355 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88212231

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187322_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88182771

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187315_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88209742

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187310 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88209265

Does this unlock your voltage slider for the additional 100mV? If so, have you tested it to see if it works?

That's the thing though. There is no confusion in the minds of the people having the conversation. Whether or not it was the best terminology to select is certainly open to debate or criticism, and it could be confusing to someone that is unfamiliar with the topic. It's too late to go back to 2012 or whenever that started and undo the use of the term now. If you referred to it in another way today, nobody would know what you are talking about because the precedent is already established. If I am in Germany and say "nein" it sounds (phoenitically) like a number between eight and ten, but I am saying "no" (not "neun" the Germany word for nine, and pronouced almost the same) and it is only understood in the context of my response and knowledge of the language I am speaking. (I am being silly here, I know, and that is my intent.)

That definition actually seems to validate the logic in the relative use of the term as it relates to suitability for overclocking. While it may not have been the intended purpose of the manufacturer of the GPU, it might be the intended purpose of the purchaser. It could have been called anything, really. It could have been called the "Crapification Factor" or "GPU Trash Rating" LOL. In both of these cases, a lower score would be better than a higher score.

It depends on the context of the conversation and the audience you are speaking to. To performance PC enthusiasts and gamers that are curious if their GPU is a winner or loser in the silicon lotter, yes, it is used in reference to that. When used in reference to microprocessor technology in general, for the most part it is agnostic to silicon quality and focused on design intent. https://www.abbreviationfinder.org/acronyms/asic.html#aim ASIC Afghanistan Standard Industrial Classification ASIC Air and Space Interoperability Council ASIC All Source Intelligence Center ASIC All-Source Information Center ASIC American Society of Irrigation Consultants ASIC Application-Specific Integrated Circuit ASIC Area Security Information Center ASIC Asociacion Salvadorena de la Industria de la Confeccion ASIC Association Scientifique Internationale du Cafe ASIC Association Suisse des Ingenieurs-Conseils ASIC Attache des Systemes d'Information et de Communication ASIC Australian Seafood Industry Council ASIC Australian Securities and Investments Commission ASIC Automatic Sprinkler Inspection Company ASIC Aviation Security Identification Card ASIC Avionics Subsystem Interface Contractor

I really like this guy's dry, sarcastic and corny sense of humor. Frankenstein PC - Harvesting best parts from older Computers Did I spend $20 on e-Waste?!

In that context it almost makes sense. If someone bought a GPU in 2012 for nothing more than cryptomining, regardless of what it was made for by AMD or NVIDIA, it was being used in the role of an "ASIC device" by that person, and I do not think (haven't tried to figure out because I don't actually care) that ASIC mining devices were invented at that point.

I totally agree that something that is repeated often and becomes a widespread belief does not make it true or accurate. In fact, we have more examples of that today than we can count, and more nonsense gets added to the list daily. If a scientist is a believer in nonsense, then it automatically gets validated as "science" LOL. And, anyone who doesn't drink the Kool-Aid is not following the science (how dare they question a scientist?) and should not be listened to. What we do not know is if W1zzard chose ASIC as an acronym based on another sequence of words that has since taken on a different (or additional) meaning. If I had to guess, that seems plausible. When GPU ASIC scores were all the rage, I do not believe that ASIC devices were even a thing like they are today. I know cryptomining was not common and it became popular long after GPU-Z had ASIC scores. So, it may be a situation like what came first... the chicken or the egg? Who first used the acronym ASIC? I have no idea. It is not uncommon for an acronym to be used in multiple ways that have unrelated meanings. Their meaning is determined in the context of where they are being used. I am not sure what the acronym stood for in the way it was used by W1zzard but it probably was not an "application-specific integrated circuit" judging based upon the context it was utilized for measuring silicon quality. At the time it was gaining popularity, nobody really cared what it stood for, they only cared what their GPU ASIC score was. Examples: https://qr.ae/pGiM53

That's why the Green Goblin blocks access to it now and it is not reported. It made it easier than they wanted it to be to identify how many GPUs were built with crappy silicon samples. After all, it's none of our business whether or not we got our money's worth, or got screwed. Our job is to shut up and keep spending money.

I replied, but it appears tags do not work. https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3596294

It seems their rules are as ugly and disgusting as their stupid-looking GPUs.

Predictability becomes more elusive with a sucky, half-assed OS like Windoze 10 or Winduhz 11. As soon as it starts doing its own thing, it is anyone's guess how that is going to turn out.

That is not real overclocking. It is allowing the CPU to behave normally based on a temperature regulated algorithm predetermined by the manufacturer. It is overclocking for limp-wristed pansies that whine about their turdbooks being too big, thick and heavy. These mama's boys are the target market though. They aren't smart enough to figure anything out on their own. It is easy to sell trash to them. All you have to do is get a shill on YouTube to say it is awesome.