Mr. Fox

Dayum. That's like an 1100 point drop on the overall score if I am seeing it correctly. Hopefully, it is just a driver glitch and not a real issue. I am already resistant to purchasing a product that doesn't support Windows 7, but I would certainly dismiss the viability of any hardware that would require Winduhz 11 to achieve full performance. That would be a realy douchebag issue to have to put up with and I don't think I would willingly tolerate it. Companies that do stuff like that deliberately deserve to be decimated financially, with extreme malice and ill will... just to return the favor. They way I see it, a stab in the back deserves a bullet to the brain.

Somebody needs to release one that has a full GPU block like the EVGA Hydro Copper that is, in every respect, ordinary GPU block except that it comes with a pre-installed AIO with the pump mounted at the radiator. Then the person buying it could simply remove the G1/4 fittings from the block an add it to a custom loop if they wanted it that way later on. Then there would be nothing extra to buy unless you wanted to, and refilling and servicing the AIO would be as easy as refilling and servicing a custom loop. It would give the owner all the options that a normal AIO offers and all of the freedom afforded by a custom loop if they decide to go that way later on. They could even get creative in the design of the block to do something revolutionary like incorporating a DDC pump into the plexi top on the block. That would also be serviceable if it were an industry standard DDC pump. It would also provide an inline auxiliary pump on a custom loop similar to a chassis mounted distribution block with an integrated DDC pump. Another way an AIB partner could distinguish itself and offer something unique and compelling for customers to purchase their brand is to develop a proprietary software utility that would only work for their brand that would function similar to NVCleanstall that would mod a standard Nvidia driver to add Windows 7 support for their vendor-specific hardware ID. It could be a one-click mod and install utility. I can tell you right now that I would buy that brand over another. Others would potentially follow their lead and prove to the world that they are no longer a harlot that is willing to kiss the hiney (or something more deviant below the belt) of the Redmond Retards.

My 2080 Ti and 3090 KPE have both exceeded 800W in some demanding benchmarks. I think that is going to present some limitations. It probably will be more than adequate for gaming, but not for overclocked benching unless the firmware and thermals artifically cripple the performance to such an extent that achieving overclocking superiority is a futile endeavor that has no remedy.

While I have expressed my jealousy and disappointment that there is no Microcenter in Phoenix on more than one occasion, it is probably best that there is not in the grand scheme of things. Behaving myself and avoiding financial foolishness would be much more difficult if there were one here.

I got to say, Zotac might be my EVGA GPU replacement. I need to find out how horrible their warranty service is on the scale of pathetic alternatives to EVGA. This chintzy Zotac 3060 Twin Edge OC that I purchased brand new on Amazon for less than $400 to replace my malfunctioning 2080 Ti FTW3 has given me no reason for disappointment. I played 4 hours of Crysis Remastered last night with everything maxed out, including ray tracing, and the boost clocks held at max from room temperature to maximum steady state temperatures, thermals were good and it was excellent. Was it 150+ FPS like the 2080 Ti and 3090? Nope, but I never would have known it was 85-100 FPS but for the RTSS on-screen overlay telling me so. This was the cheapest 3060 I could find for sale and I can't find anything wrong with it, other than it is not a flagship GPU model. I would have wasted my money buying a more expensive brand. Even overclocked to 2125 core (+200) it doesn't lose clock speeds. It pegs the power limit and just stays there. Like all GPUs should. Maybe I am too old school, but I prefer the straight lines, square corners, boxey-looking plain black parts over the swoopy curves and wavy lines, and weird colors, that are so popular with the kiddos. Some of the fancy gamerboy crap we see now is just so tacky and gaudy looking. While results do matter most, based on aesthetics I will choose classy over flashy any day.

That needs a water block for a lot of reasons, many of them having little or nothing to do with the GPU. The most obvious is, you don't want that space heater with a cool core pumping a butt-load of hot air into your case if you care about something other than the GPU. To some extent it will overclock itself. Doesn't matter for playing games. It does matter for competitive benching. For gaming having a consistent experience no matter the brand is a win. Everyone having a consistent experience is a massive loss for competitive overclocking. You don't care about the experience anyone else is having, you only care about how far you can push it past what they are experiencing. If you can't do that the product is worthless and a waste of money. You should buy something cheap for gaming.

Excellent laptop. P870DM3 is the last laptop that I owned that I actually loved before things started turning to utter crap on mobile platforms. I would never go back to laptops again, but it was the last one that was good enough to make me pause momentarily and think it was something special and desirable. It had no standout flaws that I can remember other than the stock BIOS is rubbish, as the case is with all laptops. You would need to find out from @BOAT (Bob works there) what GPU heat sink(s) are included or if it is a vapor chamber to know what GPUs will match/fit the heat sink(s). The listing shows "cooling solution" which is not very useful for planning what GPU you are going to use. It could be standard MXM or the Clevo version of MXM and one will not fit the other. You may want to consider the availability of service parts. $550 OBO is not bad. If you can't, for example, buy a replacement motherboard from Clevo that would be a problem. Or, if you can and it costs $500 this might not be a good deal when you consider the big picture. Availability of other potentially proprietary model-specific parts that don't last forever, like eDP cables and fans, should also be considered. Bob might be able to answer some of those questions as well. If the answer is yes today, it might be no next week. If a part fails and you can't buy one new from a Clevo reseller, it might be a good deal that one needs to walk away from.

I was this way when I was young and foolish LOL. I'm often criticized because of being a catalyst and an agent of change in business circles. I am only set in my ways when I don't approve of the options or they don't fit my program. If something is a better idea, I will support it. I love better ideas and there are often better ways to do things. Change for the sake of change is dumb. Variety is not a legitimate basis for it. I am biased and hold to a don't fix what isn't broken approach. Being new is not a virtue. Being better is. No compromise, no negotiating, no trophy for participating. Ugly is ugly. If we call it different or pretend it is special, then we are either confused or lying. Being ugly is not OK.

Yes it is. 😀 Still waiting to see more revealed on this, especially post-release intel (pun intended) about how far it can be overclocked.

I hope you are wrong. I am using the excuse that we need Roman to show us a delid is as easy as it was for 12900K before I frivolously throw money their way. If it is not as easy to delid, resisting will be easier, because I am not sure I would be happy a hot CPU that cannot be tamed by the correction of that design defect. When it didn't help the 5950X was when I threw in the towel on that ultimately hopeless cause. There we other factors involved, but the delid not helping it run cool enough to overclock further was the final nail in the coffin for that abortion. I am also using EKWB's pursuit of a bare die solution as an excuse to wait and see. I guess we will find out how effective those excuses turn out to be. SuperCool's bare die block being junk was a big letdown. 12900K/KS are awesome, but they would have been so much more so had that turned out to be designed in a way that it worked as well as it did for 10900K. Resisting 4090 will be much easier for me because it has the "no Windows 7 driver" bull$hit Micro$lop Mafia manipulation strings attached with it. I am both glad and disappointed at the same time. Disappointed that the Green Goblin drank from the Micro$lop cesspool, but glad that it gives me the strongest reason to say no to a GPU upgrade that I can identify.

It is rare. Some people might remember my demonstration of childish glee in the Crysis 3 thread at NBR when that was launched. That was the last example I can identify when I was thrilled by a new game release. The thought that I might have one more opportunity to experience that level of gaming satisfaction before I get too old to care gives me something to look forward to. Even so, I know the risk that it will be added to the ever-growing stack of reasons to be disappointed with technology in general, and gaming specifically, has never been greater. Games usually go the same way for me that movies do. The ones that critics hate the most are the ones I enjoy most. And, the titles they are most obsessed with are generally the ones that I hate before the trailer ends, or I get bored and lose interest in playing after 30 to 60 minutes of me trying to figure out what all the commotion was about.

They had more 13900K available for pre-order this afternoon when I successfully resisted temptation. It wasn't easy, but I somehow managed. To make it easier, I should bury my head in the sand and ignore the world around me. But, then I would have to change my name to Mr. Ostrich. Right now, the foreknowledge that I would be required to stop using Windows 7 due to a total absence of driver support is enough to make the idea of not flushing a small fortune down the toilet on a 4090 not really all that difficult for me, but the CPU is always the star in my show. If Roman pops the lid on a 13900K and confirms there are no hidden accidents looking for a place to happen that is going to make common sense much harder for me to find.

If you look at the minimum and recommended system requirements on most games, those without ray tracing run great with old hardware (old as in Maxwell and newer) that only those that want to crank up the ray tracing need a high end GeFarts GPU. Most people don't play at 4K. Most PC gamers are console jockeys that figured out there is a better way to live, or old-school gamers that never invited console demons into their hearts. Most of them don't buy high-end CPU, GPUs or 4K monitors, and they don't need ray tracing to have fun playing their games. And, they're happy holding a steady 60 FPS. It is only us in the elite extreme camp that care more about the weapons of mass destruction than the waging of war. We all already know this. I was reminded of it when I tested a couple of games on this chintzy little Zotac 3060 and noticed no difference in gameplay quality than I do using the shunt-modded 2080 Ti monster and 3090 KPE, both of which mop the floor with it in benchmarks.

I'm not seeing it. People say it all the time, but it is absolutely untrue the way I use my computers. The opposite is true. Windows 11 performance is degraded from Windows 10, just as Windows 10 performance degraded from Windows 7. But, I do not allow Windows to make decisions. Maybe some of that is actually true if you allow Windows to control performance and power consumption. I wouldn't know because that's not how my systems operate. Power limits are maxed out and fixed P, E and Ring clock ratios and voltage values are applied in the BIOS, and the Windows power plan has everything maxed out. No need for AI, or scheduling, or power management. I hate that kind of nonsense. It makes every version of Windows run faster with me calling all of the shots, and every new version of Windows performs worse than the one before it.

I am so glad I cancelled my 13900K pre-order. It worked out especially nice since I had to waste my money on a 3060. As it turns out, that is actually a better performer than I expected for a cheap air-cooled Zotac Twin Edge OC. I am impressed with the price vs performance. I bet they are already culling the best samples for 13900KS, LOL. It will be hard watching others romp all over my 12900KS with the extra baby cores, but it will be worth it when I buy the KS. Thank you very much! I will learn how to use it and see what it can tell me about my 2080 Ti. Does a nice job of holding boost clocks for an air-cooled card. Look at the flat-line. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/80739008 It's SO small. Little midget packs a nasty punch, LOL. I guess I better repaste it and look for a GPU block for it. +200 Core / +1000 Memory on my second run after replacing stock paste with KPX. Maxed out at 59°C versus 74°C with stock paste. (It wasn't one of the waxy phase change pads. Looked like Ceramique paste.) It will be interesting to see how much higher it can go on air. 7th place for my second run... not too shabby. https://hwbot.org/submission/5096251_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/80741291

Nope, not me. Same here. Nothing about the concept was of interest to me. I thought the basis of the concept was a joke, and still do.

An effective marketing strategy is 99% manipulation, and the tech industry wrote the book on that. The remaining 1% is just pure bull crap.

As Brother @Papusansaid. The screws don't need to be tight. They can even be loose. This frame is safer than the stock ILM as far as I am concerned. Once you cinch down your water block you're good to go. You could use Kapton tape to hold the CPU in place while mounting the water block if you wanted to.

It might if it didn't look like a pansy unicorn vomited onto your desktop.

I have two of them and love them. Better than stock for me, about the same as a washer mod, but also doubles as nice liquid metal barrier. Good to have you here, brother.

Do you have a link to download MATS? I Google searched and not finding it.

Sadly, there is a price to pay for stupidity, and all of us reap the harvest whether we are unwilling participants or contributors. The lowest common denominators ruin things for everyone.

Unfortunately, some people are using this piece of trash because they want to, and some because they bought a new PC with this cancer preinstalled. Many of them don't have the skill needed to upgrade to an older version of Windows. Windows 11 belongs in last place because it is an inferior product.

Mr. Evans replied with "I suggest you run MATs on your card. You’re most likely dealing with broken solder joints." I suspect I will find a need to reflow one of the memory chips. I can do that with my hot air station if I am able to indentify that as the issue.

I emailed Mr. Evans to ask if he had any idea what would be the likely cause even though he is not accepting GPUs for repair. I may consider that guy up in Seattle whose videos I posted here a few times. He is an EVGA fanboy like me, LOL. Depending on what it is, it might be something I can fix myself, but I don't know how to diagnose and isolate the cause.