Mr. Fox

Price reduced to $425 + shipping for members of this forum. I just listed it on Mercari, Nextdoor and Craigslist as well (at a higher price).

That really is dependent on us. As long as we (gamers and enthusiasts) continue to pay asinine prices for their products, they will continue to be asinine in their pricing of the products they sell us. At least 50% (probably closer to 100% if we are honest with ourselves) is our fault for being compliant with our molester. They can't charge inflated prices for products if nobody is willing to buy them. I am still very keen on the idea of settling for less performance and supporting Intel's venture into the GPU space. I hope they end up being wildly successful and extremely disruptive in this segment. If they can keep their foot in the doorway and end up forcing it open wide, I think there is potential for severe distrubance that will be very harmful to NVIDIA's position of dominance, and cause AMD to have to work overtime just to remain relevant.

I still think there is a lot of truth to the old cliche that "clock is king" but one answer to that is more cores, even when the cores are slower. Higher clocks is like a small group of snipers that quickly and discretely take out their adversaries with a single headshot, whereas more cores is like a platoon of foot soldiers spraying a bazillion bullets every direction with a wide swath of destruction. They can't run very fast and they are not precise, but a swarm of bullets is a force to be reckoned with.

Yes, totally agree with that. Even though I don't like the fact that some of them are wussy Atom cores, I can't find any fault in the results. Fantastic performance. But, there is still a part of me that wonders how much performance is being forfeited by their substitution in place of more P-cores. I'm guessing they are cheap to produce and this is a way of delivering a level of performance that stays a step ahead of AMD while not making the product too expensive.

I did that and found the overall experience regrettable. Cinebench scores were nice, but that is probably the only kind thing I can find to say about my misguided endeavor. It was probably the worst waste of money on an upgrade that proved to be a downgrade that I have ever experienced. Apart from my magnetic attraction to mediocre silicon quality, (seldom lucky, unfortunately,) I am very happy with the experience I have had with 10900K, 12900K/KS and 13900K. These are excellent processors, but I still feel like I am getting screwed because of the stupid Atom core crap. Even though performance is stellar, it would be better if they ditched the chintzy E-core crap and made them all P-cores. I think the issue with NVIDIA is that they are an inherently dishonest company that values profit more than doing the right thing, and the issue with AMD is ignorance from the leadership level down. They are essentially posers in the enthusiast space, kind of like the McDonald's of the technology realm.

Congratulations. Long overdue. I really wanted it, just didn't have the means right now. And, to be honest... the "need" was probably questionable. I guess I am going to try another venue to sell the 2080 Ti FTW3. There seems to be no interest here, probably due to the newer NVIDIA and AMD launches. Due to lack of Windows 7 driver support, I don't see myself buying anything newer than RTX 30-series as long as what I have remains functional.

It might be a good time for all of us to take a vacation from all things PC and give Intel, NVIDIA and AMD a massive profit time-out for a few years. I think most of us have what we need to get by for a few years. If one or more of them doesn't survive, then que sera sera. The alternative is, we continue getting screwed. I'd much rather turn the tables on them.

I've never seen an example of a laptop that will automatically apply an XMP profile. That's not to say that there aren't any, only that I haven't seen one. If the functionality is there and actually works, then I don't think it matters what brand. Unless you have a laptop with the BIOS unlocked for memory tuning it's really not going to make any difference what you buy because you won't be able to set anything manually. That would be my first question; does the BIOS even support it? In most cases the answer is going to be "no" for laptops.

Thank you. Same to you brother. In spite of life's ups and downs, there are plenty of reasons for any of us to be thankful.

You are right. I implied that everyone there is a moron. That is not true. There are still some people there that are intelligent... you and me included. While the culture is probably similar or more stupid than overclock.net, I can say the same about Reddit. I hate the platform and a high percentage of the regulars there are batpoop crazy, but there is still some gold to be mined. You just have to sift through the guano to find it.

I seldom visit that place. All of the intelligent people from overclock.net left and started ExtremeHW.net so what remains are... well, you can connect the dots.

Yes, 3DMark is buggy (has been for several years) and it is only an issue now because a few of the prima donna chosen got their "professional overclocker" scores diminished by peasants that were not using LN2. At the end of the day it really is about HWBOT allowing UL's garbage and their solution is to require people that have a card with ECC memory gimp it by turning it on. I also wonder how much incompetence there was on the part of the "professional overclockers" wasting time submitting benchmark scores with ECC enabled. Instead of admitting their mistake, starting over and submitting new scores with the setting turned off, it must be a lot easier to penalize everyone else with a new rule that requires that everyone commit the same mistake by fiat decree, and they hold their rank on the leaderboard without having to earn it. They can then void the submissions that challenged their supremacy.

Let me quote myself again. So, we have drama because the elite chosen golden girls are butt-hurt and going full emo retard because some pions running air and water beat their bugged LN2 scores, but the real reason is because UL's 3DMark is a POS buggy benchmark. So, they make it a rule to require ECC enabled rather than going back to UL and saying we aren't using your garbage benchmark suite any more until you idiots get your act together. Yes, I posted earlier in that thread about NVIDIA selling a defective product for a ludicrous price that demands and deserves near flawless perfection.

LOL... great minds think alike. You and I simultaneously posted semantically the same thing. GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). UL is a joke. They ruined Futuremark. HWBOT banned XTU because it is garbage, and they should do the same with UL.

Stock 3090 KPE: https://opendata.blender.org/benchmarks/d8bb4b44-e566-4908-9be6-633bb6335451/ Stock 3060 Ti FTW3: https://opendata.blender.org/benchmarks/7b290602-6130-4b33-b952-a7fad73f32e3/

The elite chosen are an entitled group. In fact, I honestly don't believe CENS wanted the CPU from @tps3443for himself as much as wanting to remove it from "retail" circulation because extraordinary silicon samples diminish the fake sense of mystery and talent the chosen need to validate their position. Even the comment by Splave exposes the subtle arrogance, although it probably was not intended to send that message. He may have well said, "Nice to see a pion accidentally get lucky with retail garbage that wasn't reserved for them." Guys like you and me and @johnksss could be a very dangerous threat to the elite overclockers' status if we got our hands on silicon samples like those @tps3443has lucked out with, and they know it. They're not worried about silly gamer kids that have no idea what they have, nor should they be. They're going to be too busy bragging about their low voltage and low power draw rather than chasing world records. Even if we didn't go down the LN2 path and take their crowns away, the gap between their spots on the leaderboard and the "not chosen" riff raff would be too close for their comfort.

If I had the cash I would snag this right now. I'm not interested in wasting money on a 4090 or 7900 XTX, but this is a really good deal.

I guess everyone is all set for GPUs and do not need one. Brother @Rage Sethas had a brand new 3080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid for sale for a long time for a great price as well. I would have thought these would be snapped up in a heartbeat. Weird.

Welcome back, Brother! Glad you were able to join us. We missed you, man. Indeed. Familiar name, too... since you both have the same first name. 😄

Performance difference seems indiscernable compared to Windows with 100+ FPS... (~60 FPS with "High" ray tracing) with "High" global settings. It is very smooth. I am using the Steam "Experimental" version of Proton. (The game is not available to install with the normal verson.) It runs flawlessly and the installation was as painless (essentially effortless) as installing on Windows.

Crysis 3 Remastered on KDE Plasma... very smooth experience.

Crysis 3 Remastered on Linux...

It does not appear that it is large enough for a 420mm radiator in top or bottom. I know you already have it, but based on what I see in this video, it does not seem to be an option.

I am using Artic F12 fans, which are very low speed at maximum RPM, so they run full blast with no mechanism to control the speed. It works out really well. They are very quiet and they have adequate static pressure. The way Alphacool designed the fan mounting plate with the round holes there is no place for the air to leak. You can use any kind of fan (square or round with tabs) and not have to worry about static pressure loss. The only direction the air can leave is through the radiator, or backdraft through the fan blades.