Mr. Fox

I think it was last year that the acquisition occured, with the intent and hope of saving a dying sport and, in particular, the level of discontent among members with the way HWBOT.org has been mismanaged.

With 3080 and 3090 prices finally dropping, there is really little incentive to settle for 690x0 XT and its lack of DLSS and ray tracing capabilities. It was an OK options before for anyone that was married to AMD and wanted to save money, but it is the performance equivalent of having a 3080 or 3090 with no tensor cores. You can say DLSS and ray tracing don't matter, but it's only true until they do.

I do not remember if this video was already shared in this thread, but it is interesting. To whatever degree it is accurate--and I do not believe it is an exact science, especially with the sample size--the first 12900K that came from Micro Center via Amazon was, indeed, an average sample The replacement is better than average, but not superior like the one in my Unify-X. SP Ratings.xlsx

Assuming there is one. There may not be. Time will tell.

I have also listed it on eBay for $100 more than I am offering it here. https://www.ebay.com/itm/275362149129

Even the worse one was "average" and here is one for sale like that one on overclock.net by a well respected member of that community and HWBOT. https://www.overclock.net/threads/fs-12900k.1799019/#post-28999766

The water block is RGB, but I set everything to white (no rainbows here, LOL). Here is a photo of what it looks like lit up.

Prices are very good now, but will probably get even better. I think Brother @electrosoft is correct and you should hold out a little longer and pay less.

Price: Bare Die Block: $125.00 / Free Shipping Condition: Excellent Warranty: NA Reason for sale: Upgraded - No Longer Fits 12th Gen Payment: PayPal, Zelle Item location: San Tan Valley, AZ Shipping: Included for US Buyers in Lower 48 States. International buyer to pay all costs of shipping, VAT or other fees. International shipping: NA - but, I will make an exception for someone I know well enough from this forum (see cost above) Handling time: Ships same or next business day (local pickup also available) Feedback: eBay Profile; OC.net MarketPlace Specifications: Supercool Computer Bare Die Water Block - Intel 10th Gen If your CPU is delidded, this will replace your water block and IHS to provide cooling unlike anything you have ever experienced. Works better than a typical bare die set up. It uses the stock Intel ILM (CPU latching mechanism) to attach. The finned jet plate replaces the IHS and puts the water closer to the core and you do not have to worry about any extra mounting hardware. The plexi top has RGB lighting. If you prefer to not have the lighting the wiring simply plugs in. Sadly, this won't fit my 12900KS, otherwise I would still be using it. It dramatically improved my 10900K overclocked load temperatures.

That would dramatically impair CPU performance in everything capable of using more than 8 cores. Doing that works on things that do not benefit from more cores, but it would be like downgrading. Like moving from 10900K to 11900K... not an upgrade. Newer, yes... better, no. With the E-cores disabled, 12900K, like 11900K, is also a downgrade from 10900K. Less performance, 2 fewer cores/4 fewer threads, and lower benchmark scores. IPC improved, but not enough to make up the difference of the missing 2 cores/4 threads. 10900K still wins without the E-cores enabled. The E-cores DO, IN FACT, hold back the overall CPU from realizing full potential because the average clock speed across all cores is lower because the wussy baby-girl Atom E-cores are so chintzy that they generally can't run more than 4.2-4.3GHz. Even so, more cores and threads are a force to be reckoned with. That is why the crappy Ryzen 9 5950X gets nice Cinebench scores. It has the AMD equivalent of crappy Intel Atom cores and sucks at overclocking.

With the 1.190V being stable and 1.250V having this problem, that would lead me to believe that something is either becoming overloaded (or is a weak component) or something is getting overheated. That would cause it to reboot. The increase in voltage causing it is what makes me believe that to be the case. Does it do it only with that benchmark, or with other benchmarks or stress tests as well?

What kind of PSU do you have? It almost seems like something is getting overloaded. The CPU temperatures are good. Do you have temperatures for the VRM? It could be something on the motherboard as well, but it's hard to say. But, I don't think it has anything to do with the operating system from what I could see in your video. It's like it's abruptly power cycling for some reason.

Could you be a little bit more specific maybe? It's probably something really simple like the voltage is set too low. But, hard enough for sure with no additional details about what kind of crash and when that happens. If it is a BSOD what is the code or message? What system? Clevo or a desktop?

That is very accurate. I am not sure that they even care about what they themselves want, LOL. Both of them, along with NVIDIA and the rest of "Big Tech," are companies run by psychotic numbskulls, in an industry were honesty and integrity are not core values. The production of broken and buggy garbage is status quo. What little isn't broken and buggy is half-assed.

Yes, it certainly could have. While I am not particularly pleased with the better of the two, I am thankful it was not worse. I also appreciate that the Microcenter gave the green light for Amazon to send me a new bundle before shipping back the old bundle, and allowed me the liberty to keep the better CPU. I so wish we had a Microcenter here in the Phoenix Metro area. I'd gladly drive an hour each direction to do business with them versus ordering things online. The crappiness of the E-cores is actually more detrimental. If you can't overclock them to higher speeds with stability your all core (P+E) average clock speed is lower and performance declines. I am also not sure how much voltage the crummy Atom chips can handle. I don't mind running the big boy cores at 1.500V+ to push the clocks, but the scummy wuss baby sissy-girl Atom cores might die with that kind of voltage. It really sucks that they can't be pushed to at least 5.0GHz each.

Nope. No need for it, but would not even considered if I needed it. They are not releasing a Hydro Copper block for it, and the 3090 KPE Hydro Copper won't fit per EVGA. So, there is no point in purchasing one. You'll be stuck with that worthless hybrid cooler abortion, which is totally unacceptable. The replacement 12900K from Amazon is a little bit better. 87 SP, with 95 vs 94 on P-cores and 72 vs 65 on E-cores. So, not wonderful by any means but I am thankful it's better. I was able to drop the core voltage by 0.040V for 5.2GHz.

While you are waiting for our friend(s) to respond, here is a butt-load of 11800h results you can look at. All Results: https://hwbot.org/hardware/processors#key=core_i7_11800h Cinebench R23 https://hwbot.org/submission/4866641_mylgjy_cinebench___r23_single_core_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_1597_cb https://hwbot.org/submission/4863686_killerpole87_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_15229_cb Cinebench R20 https://hwbot.org/submission/4863679_killerpole87_cinebench___r20_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_5877_cb Cinebench R15 https://hwbot.org/submission/4899284_killerpole87_cinebench___r15_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_2382_cb Cinebench R11.5 https://hwbot.org/submission/4866646_mylgjy_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_11800h_25.01_cb

Yes, 100%. A case as big as you have space available to accommodate is ideal. Having a massive case that is larger than you need it to be makes life about a million times easier, and it gives you room to add whatever you want to add later on without having to worry about where you can put it. It really sucks when you do not have enough space to accommodate everything you want, and it is not fun having to figure out where to shoehorn things like a jigsaw puzzle. You end up having a suffocated mess that can't breathe properly because there is no airflow with every nook and cranny filled with something.

FINAL FANTASY XIV: Endwalker Benchmark Tested on: 6/21/2022 9:23:32 Score: 30601 Average Frame Rate: 214.3941 Minimum Frame Rate: 95 Performance: Extremely High -Easily capable of running the game on the highest settings. Loading Times by Scene Scene #1 1.53 sec Scene #2 2.229 sec Scene #3 3.218 sec Scene #4 1.433 sec Scene #5 0.651 sec Total Loading Time 9.061 sec DAT:s20220621092332.dat Screen Size: 1920x1080 Screen Mode: Full Screen DirectX Version: 11 Graphics Presets: Preset 1 General -Wet Surface Effects: Enabled -Occlusion Culling: Enabled -LOD on Distant Objects: Enabled -Real-time Reflections: Maximum -Edge Smoothing (Anti-aliasing): FXAA -Transparent Lighting Quality: High -Grass Quality: High -Parallax Occlusion: High -Tessellation: High -Glare: Standard Shadows -Self: Display -Other NPCs: Display Shadow Quality -LOD on Shadows: Enabled -Shadow Resolution: High - 2048p -Shadow Cascading: Best -Shadow Softening: Strong Texture Detail -Texture Filtering: Anisotropic -Anisotropic Filtering: x8 Movement Physics -Self: Full -Other NPCs: Full Effects -Limb Darkening: Enabled -Radial Blur: Enabled -Screen Space Ambient Occlusion: HBAO+: Standard -Glare: Normal -Water Refraction: Normal Cinematic Cutscenes -Depth of Field: Enabled System Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC (ver.10.0.19044 Build 19044) 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900K 16193.781MB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti(VRAM 11048 MB)

As part of my "spring cleaning" exercise, I replaced the Noctua fans (which I never liked much) with these. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CDL4TWK I am pleased with them. They have decent static pressure and work well with my thick radiators. The wiring for the fans and RGB is flat and thin, and long. So, wiring management was very simple. I went with the 12V 4-pin option simply because they are less expensive for some reason. $28 USD for a 3-pack with free next day delivery is hard to beat. Included with each 3-pack is a 1-to-3 splitter for the fans and lighting (one of each) which adds further value to the already good price. I really like the 5000D Airflow case except for the idiotic lack of ample space above the mobo. Granted, I am using thick radiators, but you can see how tight it is. It would have been so much better had they made the case 1 inch taller and put that inch between the mobo and top panel. 2 more inches would have made it even more awesome. You could then go with push/pull fans and not be cramped. And, that would make going with dual 360mm radiators feasible, instead of 240+360 radiators. Being cramped always sucks, which is one reason I loathe SFF products.

I spent literally about 14 hours on Father's Day dismantling Banshee, taking everything apart and cleaning while I was waiting for the Strix and 12900K delivery. I had been running pure distilled water with some PrimoChill antimicrobial additive and the amount of filth that was in it was truly surprising. I disassembled the EKWB GPU block and gave that a good scrubbing down, scrubbed the film off the inside of the flexible tubing and cleaned the inside of both D5 pumps and the reservoir. It was quite nasty. Even though I was using the biocide, surprisingly it seemed most of it was algae. I used straight auto antifreeze this time, just like I am using in the benching rig. I expect to get a lot more mileage from it (pun intended). I used Asian vehicle blue coolant because of the color and because it is best suited to dissimilar metal electrolysis mitigation. I certainly won't have to worry about "creatures" with the antifreeze, because nothing can live in it (AFAIK).

Thank you. I can easily see why this Z690 DDR4 option is so well liked. It is even on the short list of "most popular" at HWBOT. Second on the list, in fact. https://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboards I haven't had time to do any memory tuning yet. I am running 1003 (1/19/2022) and it boots my custom 4000 CL15-16-16-36 1T XMP profile I burned on these Ripjaws sticks with Thaiphoon Burner just fine. I was running these sticks at 4500 CL16 with the Dark mobo, so it should do at least that well with the 12th Gen memory controller. I already bricked it once while flashing the latest BIOS. After it finished writing to the chip, it turned off and never restarted, and I could not get it to power back on again. Very strange. Thankfully, the Crash Free BIOS 3 recovery worked. Using a mobo with only one BIOS chip is always kind of crappy. It's too bad it does not have a dual BIOS, power and reset buttons and Q-code LEDs. If it did it would be an absolutely perfect 12th Gen entry-level enthusiast board for DDR4. I think all gaming and enthusiast mobos (including laptops) should have a dual (or triple) BIOS configuration, as well as a crisis flash feature. Not having the latter should be against the law. It absolutely should not be a feature only found on gaming desktop mobos. Just one more reason laptops suck. I just spent more than an hour going through registry, Task Scheduler, ASUS folders and System32, Windows Services and temp folders manually taking ownership of and exorcising everything ASUS defecated or ejaculated (as in impregnated) into my OS. They are the masters of digital filth. I do not think they have any rival, which seems to be in direct emnity with the appeal their brand has with enthusiasts. If the replacement CPU from Amazon is also dud, I may keep the better of the two, buy a KS and sell the one I keep. Or, I may just blow it off and remind myself this is a work machine, not a benching rig. My plan was to put the best one in the benching beast and have the second best in the work rig, but I don't need a better binned CPU in the benching rig since I am starting to lose interest in the sport. It is too bad the E-cores are such bad samples, otherwise I would be content with the P-core SP rating. The P-core run 52x all core with the same voltage my SP92 12900K uses for 54x all core.

When retarded is allowed to run wild and free... well... look around. Not just the tech world, but it is easy to spot there, too. The world around us is off the rails by any and all measurements due to incompetent leadership and stupid and/or evil leaders in business and government. Depravity at work... unable to discern between right and wrong, good and bad, truth and lies, beauty and ugliness, light and darkness, left and right, smart and stupid.

Amazon could not replace/exchange the CPU only because it was a bundle, but they agreed to send me another bundle so I can return the old CPU along with the new unopened motherboard that comes as a replacement, but return only the old CPU (not my mobo). Hopefully, the next one will be a little better. The issue is low SP rating on the E-cores. The P-cores are not as good as the CPUs that Papusan and I have (same basic SP rating for both of us) but still decent at 92. The E-cores are 65, dragging the overall down to SP 84. I'd be content with one similar to the one I already have. The Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 is actually pretty decent. It's definitely not anything nearly as good as a Dark or Apex or Unify-X, but it's also no slouch. It is too bad that it is white (the only color available, apparently,) but it look silver. It does contrast nicely with the black 5000D.

You'll get there, brother. I know you will. Hopefully, something will happen soon to steer the ship from the black hole before we all get trapped in it.