Mr. Fox

The "impact score" results prompted me to test something besides ESET and Malwarebytes, which are the only things I have been wiling to use on the OSes where I use an antivirus program. (I totally remove Defender AV by force on all my OSes and do not use any security software on my benching OSes.) I never use a security "suite" because they are far too bloated and ridiculous. They include all sorts of extra resource-gobbling trash that I don't want. Based on my testing, I may be switching the Panda free antivirus. It consumes fewer resources than ESET or Malwarebytes and the UI of the settings is far better than either of the other two. The advanced settings make more sense. For example, in the circumstances where I do use an antivirus program, I exclude all drives except for the OS drive. I do not want any scans run on drives with files or the other OSes in my multiboot configurations. I do not want removable drives scanned, or a prompt to scan them. These options are presented in a more logical fashion in Panda. With ESET and Malwarebytes (and others I have played around with) you generally can only add file and folder exclusions one at a time. If you have 6 or 8 drives that is between 18 to 24 mouse clicks. Not the end of the world, but certainly not very intelligent. Panda gives me a tree with checkboxes to add them all at once. You can configure everything much faster, with fewer menus and fewer mouse clicks with Panda, but it lacks nothing in terms of configuration. It has everything ESET and Malwarebytes offers. And, it is consumes considerably less memory. The folks at Panda built it to resemble something someone intelligent would want to use. I'm impressed. And, it's free. The only thing negative about it, during installation you have to uncheck a box to NOT install Opera browser. If that is the price of getting it for free, not a big deal.

Check out Micro Center (Inland Store) bundles on Amazon. Both Ryzen and Intel, starting around $350 USD for mobo and CPU. You can definitely get it for less and maybe get something more powerful. https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/D0BEB605-0D00-4DFB-B7D5-1A73ED6A2D0D

Bare die block is sold as well to @Nikado7 at overclock.net.

OK, the damage is done. Delidded with liquid metal on both sides of the IHS and NO CHILLER in this test. 55x all P-cores at 1.410V override. I'd call this a major win. Compared with the temps in the above run using the water chiller and KPX thermal paste... yay. Edit: the watts dropped from 403 to 362.

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No worries, bro. Brother @Clamibot got a extraordinarily good 10900K for his X170, so I was really glad that it got to stay within our "Digital Family" here at NotebookTalk.

If you make it thinner it can make it weaker and impair contact as Brother @Vasudev experienced. If it is not flat you should consider replacing with one that is flat (or flatter) if the cold plate is a thin copper sheet. Making it shiny like a mirror can help a tiny bit with better temps with ordinary thermal paste, but you do not want that if you plan to use liquid metal. You actually want to scuff it up a bit with fine sandpaper (not polish it) so the liquid metal can stick better. More important on a laptop that anything else is even contact and increasing contact pressure.

Only item left now is the bare die block. FS: Supercool Computer Intel 10th Gen Bare Die Block

Only item left is the bare die block

It certainly won't be because they "love" their customers. The only thing they feel that way about is money. I think we are already starting to see that, but I do hope it continues and the intensity magnifies.

I know that I have already mentioned that I do not care for the hybrid GPU setups much, but that is the first one from EVGA that I think is aesthetically pleasing. While definitely better that air cooling, aside from the mediocre performance of a GPU AIO compared with a custom loop and full GPU water block, I did not particularly care for the appearance of their hybrids from previous generations. I am glad that I do not want or need a GPU right now, because that is still at least $1,000 more than I believe it is worth. Even though it is a little bit faster stock than a 3090, I am not fully convinced that a 3090 Ti is a upgrade worthy of consideration for anyone that already owns a 3090. Certain aspects of the 3090 Ti seem like a step backward. On a very positive note, now has never been a better time to grab an EVGA Supernova 1600W PSU. I had to remind myself a couple of times I did not need one because $199 is a CRAZY GOOD price for arguably the best PSUs that money can buy. I felt compelled to buy another one because of the price and had to force myself to resist.

I did not want to tell everyone that you were not feeling well because that was something you shared with me in private. I am glad you shared it here so we can all be praying for you to have a speedy recovery. Blessings to you and your family.

As we have seen in most countries throughout the world since COVID-19, the average "citizen" (which can also define consumers) is content for someone else to decide what is best for them and they are glad to be compliant with those decisions because they assume that decision-makers have their best interests at heart. They pretend to, but they do not. They want command and control. Pretty messed up. But, even if they did/do, I won't let someone else decide what is best for me or my family, and if their opinion about things doesn't match mine then too bad for them. I'm going my way, not theirs, rejecting their lead, disregarding and deliberately resisting their influence, and withdrawing any show of support for them or their agenda. That is exactly what I have done with the turdbook manufacturers. They make trash. I don't want trash. I'm not going to accept that from them, and they aren't getting any money from me. I won't be nice to them and won't try to find anything good to say about them. They can rot in hell for all I care, along with the pathetic garbage they are peddling.

I cannot defend or justify anything the manufacturers of laptops, or Intel, NVIDIA and AMD do in terms of crippling and performance capping. However, it is understandable to the extent that form factor and the irrational public fetish relating to laptops needing to be absurdly thin and light necessitates emasculating these products to avoid thermal malfunction, premature failure, end-user drama associated with the chassis getting too hot to handle (literally) and even fire hazards. The underlying problem that gives rise to it and exacerbates matters is the fact that they CANNOT give us monsterbooks when the form factor only supports it being a turdbook. Throw in irrational expectations on having a silent machine and you're basically looking at laptops beng a smartphone on steroids. As I have always said, "we will have whatever the sheeple are willing to put up with" and the OEM/ODM is going to give those stupid sheeple masses whatever they are willing to pay for... minus a little bit because they never go above and beyond and operate on a "just barely" approach.

Motherboard: $300.00 USD + Shipping (buyer's choice - actual cost) Bare Die Block: $125.00 / Free Shipping

If your CPU is delidded, this will replace your water block and IHS to provide cooling unlike anything you have ever experienced. Works better than a typical bare die set up. It uses the stock Intel ILM (CPU latching mechanism) to attach. The finned jet plate replaces the IHS and puts the water closer to the core and you do not have to worry about any extra mounting hardware. The plexi top has RGB lighting. If you prefer to not have the lighting the wiring simply plugs in. Sadly, this won't fit my 12900KS, otherwise I would still be using it. It dramatically improved my 10900K overclocked load temperatures.

CPU Sold to Brother @Clamibot so now the mobo and bare die block are being sold as separate items.

I am definitely going to have to delid this bad boy. The temps are just way too high with the stock solder, even running on the chiller. The voltage needs are nice and low. https://hwbot.org/submission/5029753_ Side note: My delidded golden 12900K is also working nicely in Banshee. I am using it for work, running stable and cool at 53x on P-cores, 42x on E-core, 43x cache with 4000 15-16-16-36 2T G1. The replacement CPU from Micro Center (Amazon Inland store) sold within about 3 hours on eBay.

Things don't feel right without Brother @Papusan posting stuff in our community. I really miss him, but he is on vacation right now. Hurry back, bud. 🙂

Yeah, crappy average gamerboy stuff. Sadly, better than the first one. The first one was extra crappy. I got it new on fleaBay for $650 sealed retail box. The guy had 6 of them and has a well-established store. SP91 overall, P-99, E-76. I think that translates into a higher SP rating by 12900K standards. Edit: I think this is going to work out just fine. Massive improvement and slightly better bin than my excellent 12900K. I will move it to the benching rig and delid it and move the 12900K to Banshee in a couple of days.

Yeah, 100% the CPU. Same memory sticks boot fine at 4800 CL19 with a different CPU. I can also run the cache way higher. This is with BIOS defaults except for the RAM settings. This one is going up for sale on eBay.

That's awesome. In the past I always used Defender Control to kill all Defender processes before benching because it would suck the life out of my CPU-related benchmark scores. It's great to have that added tool as an option. Uncle Webb is a genius. Thanks for sharing it. I now just use a script to remove Windows Defender completely so I don't have to use anything. Of course, if there were a legitimate reason that I needed to rely on it, that would not be an option. Thankfully, I do not need to. Remove Defender.zip I haven't bothered checking where G1 caps out because I am not going to run anything lower than 4000. To me, 4000 is like entry-level gamerboy memory clocks and running something lower than 4000 just isn't an option as far as I am concerned. That's like accepting less than a 50x overclock on all cores as being OK. Homey don't play dat, LOL. The kit is Ripjaws V F4-4000C15-8GVK. Interestingly, ASUS QVL for memory on this particular mobo only lists two validated DDR4-4000 memory configurations and both were validated using 4 stick kits with the same exact XMP timings as this kit, but with all 4 slots filled.

Thank you for checking. I am running 1504. I am 99% sure it is the CPU silicon quality because it is consistent with your experience. Yes, I did try letting ASUS optimize the settings with XMP I and that did not make any difference other than the memory performance was slightly worse than my custom settings. Edit: looking at your latency, it appears you can also boot with 1:1 (Gear 1) and this system will not boot unless I leave it set to Auto (which is 1:2 - Gear 2). The E-cores are 2 points higher than my better 12900K, but the P-cores are 9 points lower, and the overall SP is 5 points lower than my better 12900K. I think the lower P-core SP rating is what is holding this one back on memory and cache clocks.

Thanks for the intel. Based on your experience, I suspect it is this mediocre 12900K. Probably also explains 43x cache being the limit. Cinebench also crashes with cache at 43x, but completes without error at 42x cache. Maybe when I am feeling more ambitious I will try my cherry 12900K in the Strix mobo and see if it fares better. Those same memory sticks ran like a Swiss watch at 4500 CL16 as my daily driver RAM overclock on the Z490 Dark and 10900K. It is interesting that I can run them with such tight timings at 4000, even using 1T, but it will not even try to POST above 4000 with any loose timings and higher voltage. Yet the same RAM would only boot with 2T on the Z490 Dark. On the Strix Z690 it is like it instantly hits a brick wall if I try to go above 4000. I bet this also explains the negative reviews on the D4 where some people complained about it having memory issues with known good RAM. I bet those people also had a crappy 12th Gen sample. Most of the reviews are either excellent or horrible. Just for shiggles, here is the review that I left for it. Micro Center Intel Core i9-12900K Desktop Processor 16 (8P+8E) Cores up to 5.2 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 Desktop Processor with ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 Motherboard

@electrosoft and @Rage Set - what kind of memory clocks are you able to get with your Strix D4? I cannot get anything higher than 4000 to boot with any timings and voltage. This 4000 CL15-15-15-30 1T configuration seems to be about the best it is capable of achieving. Kind of disappointing on the memory front. Maybe this is to be expected? Maybe SK Hynix preference is 12th Gen overall and not only DDR5? Goofy enough, the same sticks run perfectly stable at this configuration, which refused to even make an effort to boot. I also cannot run the cache higher than 43x or Windows fails to boot with a BSOD no matter how much cache voltage I give it. It runs 43x totally stable and 44x instantly has issues. @Talon am I remembering correctly that you had a CPU that wouldn't do over like 43x cache even though it had a decent SP rating?