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I am definitely going to have to delid this bad boy. The temps are just way too high with the stock solder, even running on the chiller. The voltage needs are nice and low. https://hwbot.org/submission/5029753_ Side note: My delidded golden 12900K is also working nicely in Banshee. I am using it for work, running stable and cool at 53x on P-cores, 42x on E-core, 43x cache with 4000 15-16-16-36 2T G1. The replacement CPU from Micro Center (Amazon Inland store) sold within about 3 hours on eBay.

Things don't feel right without Brother @Papusan posting stuff in our community. I really miss him, but he is on vacation right now. Hurry back, bud. 🙂

Yeah, crappy average gamerboy stuff. Sadly, better than the first one. The first one was extra crappy. I got it new on fleaBay for $650 sealed retail box. The guy had 6 of them and has a well-established store. SP91 overall, P-99, E-76. I think that translates into a higher SP rating by 12900K standards. Edit: I think this is going to work out just fine. Massive improvement and slightly better bin than my excellent 12900K. I will move it to the benching rig and delid it and move the 12900K to Banshee in a couple of days.

Yeah, 100% the CPU. Same memory sticks boot fine at 4800 CL19 with a different CPU. I can also run the cache way higher. This is with BIOS defaults except for the RAM settings. This one is going up for sale on eBay.

That's awesome. In the past I always used Defender Control to kill all Defender processes before benching because it would suck the life out of my CPU-related benchmark scores. It's great to have that added tool as an option. Uncle Webb is a genius. Thanks for sharing it. I now just use a script to remove Windows Defender completely so I don't have to use anything. Of course, if there were a legitimate reason that I needed to rely on it, that would not be an option. Thankfully, I do not need to. Remove Defender.zip I haven't bothered checking where G1 caps out because I am not going to run anything lower than 4000. To me, 4000 is like entry-level gamerboy memory clocks and running something lower than 4000 just isn't an option as far as I am concerned. That's like accepting less than a 50x overclock on all cores as being OK. Homey don't play dat, LOL. The kit is Ripjaws V F4-4000C15-8GVK. Interestingly, ASUS QVL for memory on this particular mobo only lists two validated DDR4-4000 memory configurations and both were validated using 4 stick kits with the same exact XMP timings as this kit, but with all 4 slots filled.

Thank you for checking. I am running 1504. I am 99% sure it is the CPU silicon quality because it is consistent with your experience. Yes, I did try letting ASUS optimize the settings with XMP I and that did not make any difference other than the memory performance was slightly worse than my custom settings. Edit: looking at your latency, it appears you can also boot with 1:1 (Gear 1) and this system will not boot unless I leave it set to Auto (which is 1:2 - Gear 2). The E-cores are 2 points higher than my better 12900K, but the P-cores are 9 points lower, and the overall SP is 5 points lower than my better 12900K. I think the lower P-core SP rating is what is holding this one back on memory and cache clocks.

Thanks for the intel. Based on your experience, I suspect it is this mediocre 12900K. Probably also explains 43x cache being the limit. Cinebench also crashes with cache at 43x, but completes without error at 42x cache. Maybe when I am feeling more ambitious I will try my cherry 12900K in the Strix mobo and see if it fares better. Those same memory sticks ran like a Swiss watch at 4500 CL16 as my daily driver RAM overclock on the Z490 Dark and 10900K. It is interesting that I can run them with such tight timings at 4000, even using 1T, but it will not even try to POST above 4000 with any loose timings and higher voltage. Yet the same RAM would only boot with 2T on the Z490 Dark. On the Strix Z690 it is like it instantly hits a brick wall if I try to go above 4000. I bet this also explains the negative reviews on the D4 where some people complained about it having memory issues with known good RAM. I bet those people also had a crappy 12th Gen sample. Most of the reviews are either excellent or horrible. Just for shiggles, here is the review that I left for it. Micro Center Intel Core i9-12900K Desktop Processor 16 (8P+8E) Cores up to 5.2 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 Desktop Processor with ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 Motherboard

@electrosoft and @Rage Set - what kind of memory clocks are you able to get with your Strix D4? I cannot get anything higher than 4000 to boot with any timings and voltage. This 4000 CL15-15-15-30 1T configuration seems to be about the best it is capable of achieving. Kind of disappointing on the memory front. Maybe this is to be expected? Maybe SK Hynix preference is 12th Gen overall and not only DDR5? Goofy enough, the same sticks run perfectly stable at this configuration, which refused to even make an effort to boot. I also cannot run the cache higher than 43x or Windows fails to boot with a BSOD no matter how much cache voltage I give it. It runs 43x totally stable and 44x instantly has issues. @Talon am I remembering correctly that you had a CPU that wouldn't do over like 43x cache even though it had a decent SP rating?

I think it was last year that the acquisition occured, with the intent and hope of saving a dying sport and, in particular, the level of discontent among members with the way HWBOT.org has been mismanaged.

With 3080 and 3090 prices finally dropping, there is really little incentive to settle for 690x0 XT and its lack of DLSS and ray tracing capabilities. It was an OK options before for anyone that was married to AMD and wanted to save money, but it is the performance equivalent of having a 3080 or 3090 with no tensor cores. You can say DLSS and ray tracing don't matter, but it's only true until they do.

I do not remember if this video was already shared in this thread, but it is interesting. To whatever degree it is accurate--and I do not believe it is an exact science, especially with the sample size--the first 12900K that came from Micro Center via Amazon was, indeed, an average sample The replacement is better than average, but not superior like the one in my Unify-X. SP Ratings.xlsx

Assuming there is one. There may not be. Time will tell.

I have also listed it on eBay for $100 more than I am offering it here. https://www.ebay.com/itm/275362149129

Even the worse one was "average" and here is one for sale like that one on overclock.net by a well respected member of that community and HWBOT. https://www.overclock.net/threads/fs-12900k.1799019/#post-28999766

The water block is RGB, but I set everything to white (no rainbows here, LOL). Here is a photo of what it looks like lit up.

Prices are very good now, but will probably get even better. I think Brother @electrosoft is correct and you should hold out a little longer and pay less.

Price: Bare Die Block: $125.00 / Free Shipping Condition: Excellent Warranty: NA Reason for sale: Upgraded - No Longer Fits 12th Gen Payment: PayPal, Zelle Item location: San Tan Valley, AZ Shipping: Included for US Buyers in Lower 48 States. International buyer to pay all costs of shipping, VAT or other fees. International shipping: NA - but, I will make an exception for someone I know well enough from this forum (see cost above) Handling time: Ships same or next business day (local pickup also available) Feedback: eBay Profile; OC.net MarketPlace Specifications: Supercool Computer Bare Die Water Block - Intel 10th Gen If your CPU is delidded, this will replace your water block and IHS to provide cooling unlike anything you have ever experienced. Works better than a typical bare die set up. It uses the stock Intel ILM (CPU latching mechanism) to attach. The finned jet plate replaces the IHS and puts the water closer to the core and you do not have to worry about any extra mounting hardware. The plexi top has RGB lighting. If you prefer to not have the lighting the wiring simply plugs in. Sadly, this won't fit my 12900KS, otherwise I would still be using it. It dramatically improved my 10900K overclocked load temperatures.

That would dramatically impair CPU performance in everything capable of using more than 8 cores. Doing that works on things that do not benefit from more cores, but it would be like downgrading. Like moving from 10900K to 11900K... not an upgrade. Newer, yes... better, no. With the E-cores disabled, 12900K, like 11900K, is also a downgrade from 10900K. Less performance, 2 fewer cores/4 fewer threads, and lower benchmark scores. IPC improved, but not enough to make up the difference of the missing 2 cores/4 threads. 10900K still wins without the E-cores enabled. The E-cores DO, IN FACT, hold back the overall CPU from realizing full potential because the average clock speed across all cores is lower because the wussy baby-girl Atom E-cores are so chintzy that they generally can't run more than 4.2-4.3GHz. Even so, more cores and threads are a force to be reckoned with. That is why the crappy Ryzen 9 5950X gets nice Cinebench scores. It has the AMD equivalent of crappy Intel Atom cores and sucks at overclocking.

With the 1.190V being stable and 1.250V having this problem, that would lead me to believe that something is either becoming overloaded (or is a weak component) or something is getting overheated. That would cause it to reboot. The increase in voltage causing it is what makes me believe that to be the case. Does it do it only with that benchmark, or with other benchmarks or stress tests as well?

What kind of PSU do you have? It almost seems like something is getting overloaded. The CPU temperatures are good. Do you have temperatures for the VRM? It could be something on the motherboard as well, but it's hard to say. But, I don't think it has anything to do with the operating system from what I could see in your video. It's like it's abruptly power cycling for some reason.

Could you be a little bit more specific maybe? It's probably something really simple like the voltage is set too low. But, hard enough for sure with no additional details about what kind of crash and when that happens. If it is a BSOD what is the code or message? What system? Clevo or a desktop?

That is very accurate. I am not sure that they even care about what they themselves want, LOL. Both of them, along with NVIDIA and the rest of "Big Tech," are companies run by psychotic numbskulls, in an industry were honesty and integrity are not core values. The production of broken and buggy garbage is status quo. What little isn't broken and buggy is half-assed.

Yes, it certainly could have. While I am not particularly pleased with the better of the two, I am thankful it was not worse. I also appreciate that the Microcenter gave the green light for Amazon to send me a new bundle before shipping back the old bundle, and allowed me the liberty to keep the better CPU. I so wish we had a Microcenter here in the Phoenix Metro area. I'd gladly drive an hour each direction to do business with them versus ordering things online. The crappiness of the E-cores is actually more detrimental. If you can't overclock them to higher speeds with stability your all core (P+E) average clock speed is lower and performance declines. I am also not sure how much voltage the crummy Atom chips can handle. I don't mind running the big boy cores at 1.500V+ to push the clocks, but the scummy wuss baby sissy-girl Atom cores might die with that kind of voltage. It really sucks that they can't be pushed to at least 5.0GHz each.

Nope. No need for it, but would not even considered if I needed it. They are not releasing a Hydro Copper block for it, and the 3090 KPE Hydro Copper won't fit per EVGA. So, there is no point in purchasing one. You'll be stuck with that worthless hybrid cooler abortion, which is totally unacceptable. The replacement 12900K from Amazon is a little bit better. 87 SP, with 95 vs 94 on P-cores and 72 vs 65 on E-cores. So, not wonderful by any means but I am thankful it's better. I was able to drop the core voltage by 0.040V for 5.2GHz.

While you are waiting for our friend(s) to respond, here is a butt-load of 11800h results you can look at. All Results: https://hwbot.org/hardware/processors#key=core_i7_11800h Cinebench R23 https://hwbot.org/submission/4866641_mylgjy_cinebench___r23_single_core_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_1597_cb https://hwbot.org/submission/4863686_killerpole87_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_15229_cb Cinebench R20 https://hwbot.org/submission/4863679_killerpole87_cinebench___r20_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_5877_cb Cinebench R15 https://hwbot.org/submission/4899284_killerpole87_cinebench___r15_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_2382_cb Cinebench R11.5 https://hwbot.org/submission/4866646_mylgjy_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_11800h_25.01_cb