Mr. Fox

Did you have a chance to see if it is a keeper or a defective sample RMA candidate? What do you say to Best Buy when you return lousy silicon samples for a refund? (Curious what you tell them.) Do they give you any crap or resistance?

The solution is to boycott everything and say no with your wallet. It probably won't matter because we are seriously outnumbered by idiots. Those idiots are the reason the rest of us are screwed. Surrendering isn't a good option though. Calling something good simply because it is the least screwed up option makes being better less relevant. It is a misuse of the word good and a falsehood that perpetuates mediocrity and normalizes suckiness. Choosing between full and partial BGA is like choosing between two incurable fatal diseases. Better to spend less and expect less than to pay top dollar for permafilth. If you find yourself stuck with having to settle for mobile garbage, spend as little as possible on it and set the bar at basic computing functionality and it won't hurt quite as bad as spending a lot on a disposable soldered piece of crap.

Since I have essentially ignored laptops for several years due to lack of interest, it is almost impossible for me to identify "decent" mobile performance on face value. But, the numbers shows that you are the Fire Strike world record holder for 9700F and mobile 1080. Your closest competitor is an MSI notebook that trails you by roughly 800 points. 3DMark Fire Strike Ranking Results

The 7000D is basically a larger version of the 5000D. The 5000D is super nice and well made, but you can't fit dual 360's in it and you cannot fit a thick 360mm in the top panel like the one I have mounted in the front panel because there is not enough clearance between the top panel and motherboard. If you put a radiator in the top it has to be a normal thickness and even if you go with a slim radiator there is not enough height for push/pull on the top panel mounting unless (maybe) you also go with slim fans. The 7000D has plenty of clearance between the top panel and the mobo. Both 5000D and 7000D support vertical GPU mounting with no need for a bracket. All you need is a PCIe cable. Although I am not sure if a 3+ slot GPU like your 3090 Ti would work in a vertical mount with the stock air cooler. If it did fit, the air flow would most likely be impaired due to close proximity to the side panel.

I would buy the biggest and best you can handle financially. I agree with Brother @electrosoft that you should NOT go below 1000W. If you buy more PSU than you need, you're good to go now or later. As long as it keeps working you never have to worry about getting a bigger PSU later. I realize you are looking to minimize cost right now, so stick with a known reliable brand 1000W minimum. EVGA warranty service is the best.

Did you mean 5000 or 7000 by chance? I cannot find anything on the 6000 model number. My 5000 is smaller than I would have liked and wish I had spent more for the 7000D Airflow instead. The Level 20 XT is stinking GIGANTIC and I love that. It will handle 3 420MM radiators if memory serves me correctly.

Looks good, bro. You did fit a lot in there.

@Sandy Bridge nice ride. I think it looks great. I am not a fan of the RGB rainbow puke and primarily only do white LED. The front fans are blue because I couldn't find white LED, and the blue was not as obnoxious looking as red. I'm considering snipping the wires to the blue LEDs on the front panel fans or replacing the LED diodes with white ones since they are super inexpensive to purchase.

Those muppet children are so happy because each of their Easter eggs have a 5800X3D inside. The issue that I find more disturbing than the idiots at AMD releasing a castrated piece of trash like that is that there are people stupid enough to buy it after hearing of its flaws because it's a "gaming CPU" LOL. Maybe this is a test that serves a business purpose for AMD to find out how high they can raise the bar on mediocrity and nonsense, as in how much they can get away with and how much of it their Kool-Aid drinking sheeple are willing to put up with.

Smart move, by a smart guy. Many of them are little more than a glorified smartphone. Hardware is being toned down and the OS dumbed down. That said, they are not as unpleasant and cumbersome.

Here is a thread to show off your system. I know some of you are rocking some pretty darned impressive beasts, so don't be shy about sharing your passion. You can highlight the build in whatever manner you feel appropriate, whether it is focusing on certain components, the customizations you have done, or simply posting pretty pictures of your pride and joy. If the details you are sharing are not already captured in your signature, please add a list of the components/specs. WRAITH 2.0 - For Fun BANSHEE 2.0 - For Work @Papusan @pathfindercod @electrosoft @Talon @johnksss @Rage Set @Reciever - all of you have stuff worthy of bragging about here.

I think this might be my favorite Linux desktop look/feel. It is a mixture of Windows 7 and 10 GUI elements.

The information is there, but it is not at our fingertips the way it was with Windows 7 and earlier versions of Windows 10. One of the issues that holds Linux back from being a better product is Linux zealots that are driven by irrational hate. They are just little bit worse than the dummies that complain that Linux isn't exactly the same as the reason(s) people leave Windows in favor of Linux. Somewhere in the middle, the "do what makes sense" and not being hesitant to copy or emulate a good idea we would find a solution but for the extremists on opposing ends of the spectrum.

The 5800X3D seems like it is designed to make a PC the equivalent of an overpriced gaming console. I think I would have a whole lot more respect for all of the Big Tech vendors if they would come right out and say, "Sorry kids... we've got nothing new right now. When we do you can be sure that it will be awesome, but there is no point in us wasting your money or burning our own calories on releasing crap just for the sake of saying we have something new when it is actually nothing special. So, please spend your money on the killer stuff that we already gave you, or take time to enjoy it if you already have, and just chill until something great surfaces."

So, I had been using primarily Linux Mint and Pop_OS! with Cinnamon DE. With my recent upgrade to 12900K there were a number of things not working. I discovered that the latest beta of Fedora adds functionality to what was broken with Mint and Pop_OS! In particular cpupower-gui works as intended. You can now control the clocks of each core (both P and E core). I like it better than the last version of cpupower-gui that I was using with 10th Gen. It adds a good amount of features that older versions did not have.

Okey-dokey. As the title implies, here is a thread for Linux users to share new information, tips, tweaks and help others fix issues they encounter using the Windows replacement of their choice.

Nice. Fedora/RHEL added 12th Gen support and now the cpupower-gui utility works properly. You can change clocks per P-core and E-core from the Linux desktop.

I hope the scalping bastard pigs that hoarded GPUs and drove the prices to insane levels lose many millions or even billions of dollars and flood the market with more GPUs than the market can come even remotely close to handling. It would be great if GPUs started selling for like 20% of MSRP with a supply that is 5 or 10 times greater than the demand, LOL. Imagine getting a 3060 for $150 or a 3090 for $350, and as many as you want. That would be awesome. 3090 SLI for benching. 😁 Edit: with a BIG power supply. No 500W gamerboy PSU.

Unrelated matter, last night I was looking at a lot of things closely and noticed the Cablemods sleeved cables were getting kind of scary looking. I already knew some of the 24-pin motherboard wires had melted insulation from the 7980XE overclocking making the cables overheat. I saw the same thing starting to happen on all three 8-pin GPU cables. One more so than the other two. So, I installed the brand new EVGA 8-pin GPU and 24-pin motherboard cables that came with the 1600W PSU that I had never used.

That is the problem right now. I have no spare parts available that I could use for testing at the moment. I sold off lots of the spare parts collecting dust and used cash from those sales to help pay for new stuff I use daily. Spare CPUs, motherboards, air coolers, RAM, waterblocks, etc. were sold or given away. I even built an entire desktop from spare parts and sold that. The only thing I had to acquire was a mid-tower case, and I got one for free from a relative that had no use for it. Here is the system I built and sold using spare parts with the free case. I made $650 off of parts sitting in boxes in my closet that were not being used for anything.

That is always true, especially for GPU. Even without overclocking, lower temps generally result in higher GPU core clocks. If you are enjoying record-breaking results with your laptop, might be best to not "fix it" right now. It might not perform as well if you disturb things. I would say leave it alone if it is working well and hold off on changing anything until your results start trending in the opposite direction.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. In fact, that was part of my thought using the EK manifold since the CPU and GPU can flow independently (in parallel rather than series) and have totally unique flow rates. To test that I need to remove an internal plug from a chamber and relocate one QDC fitting to another port on the manifold, so that should be easy to do as soon as I take time to do it. Otherwise, I will have to spend money to buy parts I do not have just for testing. I may do that anyway. I can probably grab stuff from a yard sale or Craigslist cheap enough.

Yes, I agree. I need to primarily focus on the GPU core temps on chilled water, but I don't think I have the parts I need to isolate the CPU from the loop. It would not make any sense to test the GPU without chilled water because that is not an issue that needs to be resolved. It's not an overall issue either. It's only that I can't get it cold enough for higher GPU core clock when benching. It's perfectly fine for everything else other than that. And, there is a huge difference between the temperature of the chilled water in the loop and the GPU core. I think that is where it seems logical to start the witch hunt. Probably focusing first on the contact point and TIM sitting between the GPU block and the GPU core. There is roughly a 20-25°C delta there.