Mr. Fox

A bigger chassis is always better for a high performance PC. But, you know not everyone thinks as we do. Someone that likes or needs a smaller case could still appreciate the position of the connector. Even with both of my very large cases, the 12VHPWR comes close to the glass. If either case were an inch narrower it would be a tight fit. That's because the 12VHPWR connector is a idiotic design and a fool's invention no matter how you look at it, not because the cases are made incorrectly. Cases should not need to be redesigned because NVIDIA forced an abortion on the industry. But, they do need to be because NVIDIA did. So case manufacturers and PSU manufacturers were both forced into creating something new because of the Green Goblin, or PC owners were forced to make compromises like using ugly pigtail adapters or leaving the side panel off if they did not want to buy a new case. That really sucks. I still do not understand why some of the AIB partners didn't ignore the mandate and use 3x or 4x of the legacy 8-pin power connectors and tel NVIDIA to stuff it up their tailpipe. I wish they would have.

These guys sound a lot likt AC-DC. And, here is some nice Viking Metal...

I not sure how much difference in cooling there would be. Maybe none. Or, maybe more than one would like. Hard to know how much difference there would be. If I were using it there would be a waterblock installed, so the benefit of the power adapter location would be more important than the effectiveness of the stock cooler.

That video does a great job of showing why buying an NZXT pre-built is a good option as far as other pre-builts, using off-shelf parts and 2-year warranty. It's a bit more expensive than building your own but for someone that is scared to try it is a very good option. Totally upgradable without proprietary crap parts. I just noticed the orientation of the 12VHPWR cable on the Gigabyte 4080 Super. At first blush this strikes me as being a a whole lot better than facing the side panel. It solves the sharp bend problem. I had not noticed Gigabyte has done this. I wonder if any other brands have? Between this and fixing the weak area around the PCIe connector, it seems like Gigabyte is making an effort to improve things. We can't say that about most things lately.

One of the reasons I am somewhat offended by being put into the same category as "gamer" is that they are collectively one of the dumbest bunch of goons I can identify. It has not always been this way and I used to even call myself a gamer, but times have changed and a new era of stupidity has dramatically changed the demographic. Yes, we still have some pockets of remarkable intelligence that includes many of us here, and others like us. But we are a minority and have been largely displaced by imbeciles that value form over function and lack basic technical knowledge and skill as it relates to the hardware that made it all possible. When things started circling the drain was the focus on thin and light turdbooks and handheld trash started to become popular. Things have only gotten worse and we haven't found the bottom yet.

Setting AC and DC LLC to match each other at 0.01 has always worked great for me on both ASUS and EVGA boards. You are totally right about many (maybe even almost all) CPU stability issues the tech media is buzzing about are user-induced and caused by trying to undervolt their computer too much to make up for crappy cooling, or just because their friends on Facepoot say they need to. Yes, there are lousy samples... very definitely way too many lousy samples... but guess which ones don't respond well to undervolting? Yep, the crappy samples. They need more voltage, not less. And guess who wants to copy somebody else's BIOS settings because they don't know what they are doing? And, guess who gets upset when someone else's BIOS settings do not work well for their CPU? People that are too scared to try to learn or don't want to be bothered should buy a gamerboy turdbook or a console.

Below is what confused me. The specs mentioned do not match the information in benchmark links. So, I am not sure why those specs are mentioned. 13900HX is not at all equivalent to 13900K.

Did you buy a desktop? What did you get?

That is truly appalling and I hope that horribly tragic and unrecoverably devastating things happen to Micro$oft and they end up filing bankruptcy. They do not deserve to live anymore (speaking of the company, not the individuals employed by them and their families, other than finding a new place to work). Brother @Raiderman is going to love hearing he won't even be able to get Windows 10 drivers. Hopefully they will be easy enough to mod for Windows 10, but the Redmond Reprobate Cartel have been pretty effective at going full-psycho-Nazi on blocking Windows 7 driver mods. This also is an extremely negative reflection on AMD for being so willing to bow down and worship the biggest coward clown possee in the technology space (Micro$lop). But, don't be too surprised if Intel joins them in elevating the coward clown possee and validating their criminal behavior. It's probably just AMD being the first to prostitute themselves. The level of blind obeissance the industry demonstrates to Redmond's Digital Dictatorship is too repulsive for words. I think the only possible ways to explain it is that it is being driven either by inter-industry collusion or blackmail. Either way, it is criminal by nature and intent. Their malign approach to things should be against the law. Allowing hemorrhoids to go untreated can have undesirable complications. Now we have an example of what can happen when you pretend they will get better with time and do nothing.

That is truly appalling and I hope that horribly tragic and unrecoverably devastating things happen to Micro$oft and they end up filing bankruptcy. They do not deserve to live anymore (speaking of the company, not the individuals employed by them and their families, other than finding a new place to work). Brother @Raiderman is going to love hearing he won't even be able to get Windows 10 drivers. Hopefully they will be easy enough to mod for Windows 10, but the Redmond Reprobate Cartel have been pretty effective at going full-psycho-Nazi on blocking Windows 7 driver mods. This also is an extremely negative reflection on AMD for being so willing to bow down and worship the biggest coward clown possee in the technology space (Micro$lop). But, don't be too surprised if Intel joins them in elevating the coward clown possee and validating their criminal behavior. It's probably just AMD being the first to prostitute themselves. The level of blind obeissance the industry demonstrates to Redmond's Digital Dictatorship is too repulsive for words. I think the only possible ways to explain it is that it is being driven either by inter-industry collusion or blackmail. Either way, it is criminal by nature and intent. Their malign approach to things should be against the law. That will not work. Allowing hemorrhoids to go untreated can have undesirable complications.

💯 - many are quick to blame Intel, and it doesn't help that there are trash silicon samples out there. Those are Intel's fault. But, I agree that a substantial contributing cause is end-user ignorance... not knowing how to tune anything, and expecting to get world-class results from dollar-store grade parts, and trying to insert high-end components in a low budget build. I see examples of silly gamerboys trying to use 13/14900K/KF/KS and 4090/7900 XTX in crappy air-cooled systems with cheap motherboards, cases and power supplies. And they wonder why they have problems, LOL.

I haven't found any need to cap amps or power. I am running with both maxed out, and I am using my mini-ITX system with fixed voltage and 57x all P and 46x all E-core overclock and the RAM manually overclocked to 8200 with no stability or peformance issues with the EK 360 Nucleus. I have never, even once, needed to do such a thing, so there must be some really extremely awful silicon samples out there for anyone to have to do this because of instability. I could see where it might be necessary for thermal management if a weak thermal solution is utilized, but not for stability reasons. Other than Thursday and Friday, and then only because I had to use Windoze for Micro$lop PowerBI to create monthly reports for my employer's largest clients, I am starting on my third week of using only Linux for work. I did have to find and download a few fonts that are not native to Linux/LibreOffice so that the formatting of Word document templates isn't all jacked up, but other than that I have absolutely not had a need or an urge to Winduhz even once.

Other than Thursday and Friday, and then only because I had to use Windoze for Micro$lop PowerBI to create monthly reports for my employer's largest clients, I am starting on my third week of using only Linux for work. I did have to find and download a few fonts that are not native to Linux/LibreOffice so that the formatting of Word document templates isn't all jacked up, but other than that I have absolutely not had a need or an urge to use Winduhz even once.

What is even more funny is the artist name is "Aim to Head" LOL.

Artificial intelligence is an adjective that accurate describes those who are promoting AI technology.

Congratulations brother. You got a good price for it and it came close to covering the cost of your 14900KS. So it turned out that your 14900KS was better silicon?

If I were in your shoes I am about 99% sure I would stick with the NZXT options. Much safer and the company has a better reputation than the others. You are far more likely to have something with much better upgrade options down the road, and starting off with a AIO liquid cooler is much better than those low-dollar air cooled options. I think all of the other options have very limited future potential in comparison.

@ryan skip all of that above. I recommend going here and selecting what you can afford. Looks like a Player One Prime option will fall within your budget and be better and safer than any of those other potentially sketchy choices. Good base to start and customize within your budget. White or black options, good case, liquid cooling support (even includes a Kraken AIO to start). https://nzxt.com/product/player-one-prime

@ryan - try this one. Looks like a better option in terms of potential for upgrades later, especially in terms of adding a 360 AIO later. It is a DDR4 motherboard though. https://www.amazon.ca/Skytech-Chronos-Gaming-PC-Desktop/dp/B0C9P8F78D?th=1 The biggest issue I see with the case on most air-cooled prebuilts are they are just way too small and adding better liquid cooling later is difficult or impossible. Edit: @ryan You might get more for your money on Facepoot Marketplace, but there is always a risk there. Check the ibuypower and cyberpowerpc web sites and see what you can do. https://www.amazon.ca/Skytech-Shadow-Gaming-13400F-4-6GHz/dp/B0CW8YM8VG?th=1 https://www.amazon.ca/CYBERPOWERPC-i5-14400F-GeForce-Windows-GXIVR8060A20/dp/B0CW28S6TY https://www.amazon.ca/Skytech-Shadow-Gaming-13400F-4-6GHz/dp/B0CWSJD7NJ/?th=1 What is your budget? These are similarly priced.

I don't know. The seller has two reviews and both are poor. I'd be more comfortable with the Best Buy option even if the specs are not as good.

I am trying to find information on the MSI case, but it does not look like it would support a 360 AIO very well. It might, but it is difficult to tell from the photos. Probably not a good option if you plan any upgrades. Let me look at this one. Be back in a few.

The price is good but you should be aware that the CPU is not unlocked. You need a "K" CPU if you want to overclock. You could upgrade the CPU later. Not sure what motherboard is in it or what kind of overclock settings it has in the BIOS.

Here is some tech that would be a ton of fun to play with, and dangerous if not played with wisely. This looks equally fun. I like the propane tanks right after the car door. 🤣

Here is some tech that would be a ton of fun to play with, and dangerous if not played with wisely. Edit: this looks equally fun. I like the propane tanks right after the car door. 🤣

Yeah, I saw. Using a 240mm AIO for the GPU, not cooling the GPU VRMs and then putting a 120mm AIO on the CPU. That is a ludicrous approach to things no matter how you slice it.