Mr. Fox

You have provided another real-life example of what I have been deliberately repeating in a potentially annoying manner: Stupidity rules. Those folks are living proof of it. I am sad to have to tell you, there is no way to increase the voltage short of buying some components from Elmore's Labs and breaking out the soldering iron. Nobody makes enthusiast GPUs now. The only kind you can buy now are castrated gamer wuss and wannabe parts. So, other than an obsolete Kingpin model or a Galax unicorn, both of which require a special vBIOS to have full function (stock firmware is gimped to spec) if you can even find a Galax HOF for sale in the US, you're just SOL. Hey. Happy Tuesday, brother. Yeah, I hear those are awesome chairs. I have never seen one other than photos. And, I have never seen a used one for sale. They're probably too expensive to be common, and if someone has one, they probably use it forever and then pass it down to family as an heirloom.

Der8auer should have his delid and bare die solution out by then (a must) and hopefully Intel will have an epiphany that nobody with a smidgen of intelligence wants a CPU missing hyperthreading. Hopefully by then they will be done with stupid experiments like using Atom cores and the foolish chiplet/tiled design nonsense.

Sad, but true...

I think NVIDIA invented the idea of castrating their outgoing GPU with driver cancer to make the half-baked next gen look better and not get utterly wrecked by an older part. Predictable that it would metastasize to other major component manufacturers. Getting away with bad behavior always sets an unwanted precedent. So, we shouldn't hold our breath. I suspect we will be seeing Intel, AMD and probably other major component manufacturers following this scummy business practice with regularity. They're already calling anything that uses less power a win, even when it is not a win from a performance perspective. Stupidity rules. Jufus said, "you know what the interesting thing is about Intel and AMD actually I don't think they even know how their own products work literally." And, he is not wrong. It bears repeating... Stupidity rules. More evidence that stupidity rules. Two years later and they still make all the same stupid mistakes.

We're reaching a point where we can always count on two things to be true more often than not: new technology is going to be a disappointment in one or more ways new technology is going to be unreasonably overpriced and offer poor value As that remains true and constant over time it wil also drive up the cost of old technology, making used PC parts hold their value better and making them more costly to purchase used. It won't be surprising to find more examples of people that "upgraded" that have regrets about selling their old parts and start looking to buy replacements for the things they sold to pay for the new better newer tech. It is not accidental that I have spare CPUs and more desktops than I need right now. I won't have to spend money if something breaks and if nothing breaks I have something I can sell that will probably sell for as much or maybe even more than what it cost me. Edit: @Papusan as we remember how, once upon a time, laptops like the very old Alienware and Clevo dream machines were objects of admiration that demonstrated a commitment to excellence that later died or ceased to exist, I am thinking the day is coming soon when we begin to look back on desktop computers in the same way. Stupidity rules and sucky is the new normal.

This is a legit email, and the usage percentage is accurate, but I think their AI needs some tuning. The only thing I know of that you can reduce from zero is the temperature. I'm tempted to call customer service and express my interest in learning more about how my 0% credit usage can be reduced, LOL. Does that will mean creditors start giving me money?

Open box ASRock Z690 Velocita motherboard for $112. Since it has 4 memory slots it (sadly) can't do better than DDR5 6400. So, now I have the opportunity to experience what DDR5 memory speeds feel like for the push-button computer "experts" of the world. You know, those PopCap gaming titans that have mastered the advanced aspects of web browsing, but are frozen in terror to even think of entering the BIOS. My other three desktops are 2 slot systems with the memory running 2000+ MT/s faster than this low budget build. Other than being emasculated with 4 memory slots, it's actually a very respectable product. It was worth $112 and doesn't have to be excellent at memory overclocking at that price. (ASUS and MSI 4-slot "enthusiast" motherboards that sell for 10 times more than what I paid for this suck just as bad at memory overclocking, LOL.)

I don't see this happening. Just wait until AMD makes their next mistake and there will be a new crisis ripe for blowing out of proportion and ready for media exacerbation.

Smells like feces to me, brother. Half-a$$ed Winduhz AI performance tuning for pansies and idiots. Nice. They can put that wussy mama's-boy junk where the sun don't shine. Most "new" things are botched up trash and PC tech is not an exception.

A nasty-finger salute goes out to all companies that behave in this manner, which is most of them. I wish them all only the worst of everything. May tragedies await them at every turn and financial hardships be with them at all times. Our lives without them in it would be a blessing.

That's totally sick, Brother T. I can hardly wait to see how that monster Xeon runs.

Now all we need is for NVIDIA to release a new generation of GPUs that are the same or weaker than their last one, but "special" only because they use less power. Maybe they are confusing energy conservation enthusiasts (tree huggers) with performance PC enthusiasts. The notion that it has fewer threads, no hyperthreading, uses less power, but somehow manages to perform the same (or within a margin of error) running stock, seems a bit far fetched. https://www.overclock.net/posts/29375595/

Two monkeys, both wanting to molest the same football. Nice.

This is a play from AMD's Zen 5 marketing playbook. Their latest and greatest hit the market with all the focus on performing the same while using less power. Whether you prefer red or blue, either way it sucks. Who cares? The focus is totally on the wrong thing. Nobody asked for CPUs that use peform the same as last gen while using less power as far as I know. If anyone did that considers themselves to be an enthusiast they are delusional and a poser.

Well, the 5090 being so absurdly overpriced will help both of my 4090s hold their value, LOL. Silver lining to every cloud. I am surprised they are so difficult to find, but they were crazy expensive new and probably near bullet-proof. I suspect most people that bought one are still using it and have no need to replace it and no plans to upgrade. They'll probably keep using it for a long time.

Did you find a tool for it already? I did not know there was a delid tool for it. If so, then problem solved. Don't use thermal paste. It won't last long. Use liquid metal instead and it'll last much longer than thermal paste. It looks like the W3175X is quite the wicked CPU. I hope you can find a good one for less than the cost of your complete Z790 build. https://gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3433-intel-xeon-w-3175x-28-core-cpu-review-benchmark-overclocking

Buy a couple of the $8.00 10-core CPUs we saw and see how it goes. Delidding older CPUs that had only thermal paste was easy. It did not become difficult until they went back to soldering them.

When I built the X99 desktop from traded surplus parts I found a lot of old laptop parts. Some of it was stuff that I forgot that I had. I initially planned to list it all for sale, but there was too much old Alienware and Clevo crap to deal with and a bunch of it without enough monetary value to justify the amount of time and effort that would be needed to sell it. So, I tossed most of it in my garbage so I didn't have to deal with it. The only items I kept (which wasn't very much) are things usable for the Dell Precision 7720 laptops that my wife and I still have. https://www.overclock.net/posts/29375135/

As an added bonus, you'll have TWO DIMM.2 cards running off CPU lanes. PCIe lanes up your kazoo and more than you can utilize. Now you need two 3090 Ti SLI. Should be able to run both at x16. And, best of all... you should have 100% driver support for Windows 7 now. Say goodbye to Windoze bloat performance castration. Maybe this weekend I will fire up the chiller and nudge this KS to 60x or 61x all P-core. Pretty nice score for such a modest overclock. That sums it up for me, too. The progressive regression of PC technology holds no interest for me. I might have to continue the legacy build thing. The X99 build was a blast and dirt cheap. It runs unexplainably well compared against current tech and my son-in-law and grandaughters are in hog heaven playing with it. Until now they have only owned skanky low-end turdbooks and obsolete Dell Precision and Latitude off-lease refurbs. It was like I gave them the world and I traded old parts, built with spare parts and had less than $100 invested in it. Depending on how that build goes for @tps3443 I may find the urge to play copy cat too much to resist.

Another example of the flawed approach of doing more with less. Doing more with less should only be a means or a segue into doing more with more. Say, for example, you can make a stock 24-thread CPU perform about the same as a stock 32-thread CPU, but the 24-thread CPU uses only 240W versus 375W. That's nice. But who cares? How high will it overclock and can it still beat the 32-thread CPU when you push both of them harder? If the answer is no, then it's not progress. It's a copout. If the answer is yes, then don't stop there. That's not good enough. It is complacency. Make the better IPC and more efficient 24-thread CPU a 32-thread or 36-thread option and stop worrying about how many watts it pulls. If you find headroom, then use it and do more with more. We need to stop trying to do more with less. That's stupid. It's a mentality that has made turdbooks turdier than they ever have been. Another way of looking at it... If it actually turns out that the first round of Arrow Lake is really something special, then definitely don't buy it. You're part of an experiment and a crash test dummy. Wait for the "Ti" CPU that has more cores, more threads, doesn't use less power and is actually worthy of being purchased. Remember what we learned from 12900K/KF... 13900K/KF came next. Wait for the kill. What comes after will be the actual successor to today's best, not what comes first. Similar scenarios have played out on the Ryzen side of the house. We need to use our brains and remember that newer is always better newer. Better doesn't usually happen until v2.0... after you have already wasted money paying to be on the crash test dummy team. Better luck next time, sucker.

The 3 FPS is probably within a margin of error. Considering the loss of workload processing abilities it's probably nice that it did not lose more than 3 FPS. What bothers me way more that that is their misguided focus and that they are chirping about the fact that the CPU uses less power. As if that is some kind of admirable quality or special feature. It's all a bunch of smoke and mirror nonsense designed to titilate the nonsensical tree-hugger types. Fewer cores/threads and no hyperthreading... of course it uses less power. Like, duh! 1+1=2. But, so what... who gives a rat's butt? I think the people in charge of technology development must have been the babies that got dropped on their heads during birth. They're all, collectively, the world's super-idiots.

It's amazing how many people speak so boldly about things that they are totally ignorant about. It happens a lot. Many of them just repeat what they hear others saying and they have no idea how full of baloney and misinformed about things they are. It was not unheard of to see 1.800V on VDIMM with DDR3 overclocking.

Totally agree. You could even do up to 1.600V. The biggest problem is keeping the memory cool enough to not error out. Once the memory temps go above about 45°C you start to lose stability.

I think they were right to be critical when they said that in 2017. It was a bad approach then and it is still a bad approach now. So, Intel is guilty of the same mistake they were once critical of AMD for making. The passage of time didn't make it OK to bring a "glued together" abortion to market. That leaves us with nothing good to choose from now. Stupid wins again. Through the process of elimination we must identify what we believe sucks the least and overlook the poor judgment.

The demand for pathetic rubbish like "gaming handhelds" contributes greatly to things turning to crap. When the sheeple love eating doo-doo and gobble it up like candy, that's what the rest of us get for dinner. Lowest common denominators often determine what the rest of us are left with.