Mr. Fox

I've never seen such an issue on a desktop monitor, and there was always something goofy or stupid going on with Alienware and Clevo. The only reason the Clevos that we owned did not suck is because of @Prema. And, other than the goofy stuff we saw with those laptops, I have never seen anything like it before or after. If I remember correctly, this was a defect with the design of the laptops, not their screens. (The screens were damaged because the laptops were made in a defective manner that allowed the EDID to be corrupted by the laptop.) I also remember that the screens still worked with corrupted EDID EXCEPT FOR the laptops could not output to them because the laptops relied on the EDID and could not identify the screens after the EDID was changed (again a defect in laptop design).

I agree with that based on principle. But, I read the article and did not see anything about that. The people that are whining are having a come undone (from what I can see) that MSI is not going to update the firmware. Maybe I skimmed too much and missed the complaint was relating to the denial of their autonomy to flash modded or foreign firmware if they feel like doing that. Looks like a lot of people are asking the same question I did in the comments. (That being, who cares? Why does it matter? It's a monitor.) If it works as advertised end of discussion. No reason to update the firmware. If MSI is blocking modded firmware updates to their monitors, I don't like that conceptually and feel it is none of their business. They could deny warranty if someone bricked it, so it should not matter to MSI. But my question and opinion are the same. Who cares, and why? It's a monitor.

That's just absurd, LOL. Why would they even care? I do not think that I have ever updated firmware on a monitor once in my entire life, and if the monitor is working correctly I cannot identify a reason anyone would lose any sleep over something so dumb. I mean, what is broken that they are hoping to fix? Nothing? OK then, no reason for them to ever update the firmware. Ever. Stupid.

I bought a Thermaltake Toughpower 1650W PSU that has dual 12VHPWR connections. So far it has been awesome. Yes. That worked. Thankfully.

I think you missed my question/problem. I want to disable the on-screen prompts that tell me things like you just said "Alt+R" for overlay. I DO NOT want to see those things appear on my screen when launching a game... ever. If I care about something like Ansel or ShadowPlay I will memorize the hotkeys for that and don't want to be nagged by crap appearing on my screen. But, I think I found a way to disable it in the settings. I need to test it to see if it killed that annoyance. The ability to turn off data collection is disabled, but I think I got everything else turned off. This is a very childish Windows 10/11 "feature" that I disable in Windows as well. Toast notifications of any kind (like those in Windows Action Center) bug the ever-loving crap out of me. I already use NVIDIA Profile Inspector more often than NVIDIA Control Panel just because I always want the same settings and never want to change anything, so I apply an export of my Global profile after all of my customizations are applied and just apply that with Profile Inspector with a couple of mouse clicks. That's how I define easy. Much better than a gamer-centric bloated app that does things I don't care about. I'm pretty sure this is also going to end up being chintzy UWP trash from Micro$lop Store once it is out of beta, just as they did with NVCP. It looks and feels like Windows Store trash already. I wish all of the regressions in PC tech would stop. All they do is look for ways screw things up. It makes the point-and-click kiddos and Windoze 10/11 smartphone OS Kool-Aid drinkers happy.

I haven't gone deep into the performance impact evaluation, but I have this installed on my disposable Windows 11 crash dummy OS and trying to keep an open mind. But, I am trying to identify something about it that I like and so far I find more things about it annoying than useful. I am not sure I am going to make it long enough to even bother with the performance impact evaluation stage. I played several games today after installing it, and there were several things that I found obnoxious and unwelcomed. It has some features that remind me of some of the things I despised about AMD's driver control panel. How do you (or can you) get the overlay to show more than a smidgen of useful info? I see nothing available for CPU that is meaningful and nothing for system memory, just a few basic GPU-related stats and CPU utilization. I don't understand why the overlay shows on the desktop unless you disable it. That is super annoying. It there a way to shut off the stupid feature toast notifications when launching a game, like how to enable Ansel and reminders for key combos like pressing Alt+Z? Intel has idiotic stuff like that in their Arc drivers, but it is very easy to find them and kill them. As it stands right now, I am praying this crappy app does not become a total replacement for NVIDIA Control Panel. They could/should make it optional for the people that like it, but if I have to use this to do what I use NVIDIA Control Panel for now, I am not going to be very happy about that.

I agree with you. MSI is going to be the new substitute for EVGA I think. I've never owned an MSI product that I can remember thinking was a piece of garbage. I hope Vince ends up going to work for them and they release Kingpin branded enthusiast components.

Another masterpiece from Brother Tom. I think everything he says is freakishly accurate. I wish it wasn't true, but our world is run by tiny minority composed of evil, insane, psychopaths that are supported by a brainwashing machine. Hopefully, there will be enough people with the capacity to use the gray matter between their ears to not allow it to continue, but my level of optimism is low. Too many mild-manner zombie sheeple willing to go with the flow and too worried about offending the evil psychopaths intent on destroying them.

I did not. Have you tried them? I saw they update the Intel ME again with no path back like you would have if they ran a good ship like EVGA used to. If you have, was the result good or not? I have no interest in being a crash test dummy for the retards at ASUS and I don't give a rat's butt about security updates. If it doesn't improve performance and enhance overclocking (they always say that even when it does not to trick the sheeple) then I don't want/need it.

I think he is just crazy busy with work and life right now. I wished him a happy birthday a couple of months ago via SMS and he replied right away. That is exactly the same process I used, but not with LLC4 and Auto voltage settings. It worked OK other than the power draw going higher (crazy high) than I have ever seen it. I just installed the 14900K from @Talon and will try again with LLC4 and Auto voltage and see if it changes the behavior. Edit: @tps3443that does not work at all. Maybe it's your golden sample CPU, and I will test again when the one I ordered from Germany arrives, but this CPU will not run Cinebench R23 with those settings. WAY TOO MUCH vdroop and blue screens with the clock watchdog timeout. I'll have to use the tried and true manual voltage settings and 0.01 AC/DC LLC settings I have used for years that I know will work the way I want them to.

Automotive antifreeze 50/50 premix. That's what I have been using for years. @johnksssuses it as well. Don't waste money on PC coolant. Either use this or pure distilled water with a biocide. I buy the cheap blue colored premix for Asian cars from Walmart. In the loop it looks clear. Automotive antifreeze has lubricants, prevents corrosion, is safe for tubing and acrylic parts, and it kills anything that thinks it might want to live it in so no need for biocide additives.

Yes, probably so. I downloaded it and if I still have it I will compare to see if it is the same or different. This is the primary reason I bought a second 4090. I did not need one, and I still plan to investigate Battlemage. I suspected this will happen and prices of 4090 will not go down. If 5090 is difficult to source, the 4090 prices might even go higher. Honestly, I don't think things will ever return to normal again. There are simply many idiots and dishonest scumbags have the ability to make decisions affecting those who are not idiot scumbags. Even if all of them died (we could only wish) tomorrow, it would be a challege to undo everything they have screwed up. It was delivered about a half hour ago, so I will install it this evening when I am done with work.

If I did not delete it I will send you my XOC vBIOS stuff for the 780 Classy. If I still have it I will send you a link from Google Drive as I have in the past.

I had one exactly like that for a while. Very good GPU. New is poo... old is gold. At least in terms of form and function. Sometimes newer and faster just isn't enough to be viewed as good. The one thing we can always count on with new products is they are always newer.

The "fine" should be revocation of any business license or authority to conduct business in the country levying the infraction. Otherwise, some will pay the fine and keep doing it. Best to extinguish their ability to conduct business. Dead men don't tell lies, or commit crimes.

There is no such thing as security online. To achieve it requires tremendous effort and expense, and deployment of multiple strategies. The only way of not having your data collected is to not register for any accounts for anything so that your IP and MAC addresses are not connected with any known entity. You will still be tracked and monitored, but they won't know who they are tracking and monitoring. NVIDIA (nor anyone else collecting data) do not need you to sign in if they know the IP and MAC addresses of the systems associated with you. Applications "phone home" all of the time without our knowledge or express consent. If one has agreed to "terms of service" they have given consent to have their data collected. It's not looking promising. Still no change in status. Either is hasn't left Chicago or it wasn't scanned upon arrival in Phoenix. No way to know. Hopefully tomorrow. Time will tell.

It is also possible it will still show up today but wasn't scanned upon arrival at the destination facility. I have seen that happen a few times recently as well. What has been happening recently with late USPS Priority Mail packages is they get to one of the post offices between the origin and destination and then don't move for a day or two for some reason. The status doesn't change, then the original delivery date passes and the status changes to "unavailable" and then it shows up, but the stops along the way are not clearly documented and no explanation is offered for the delay. I've also had packages that show delivered and signed for by someone in a totally different city. I ordered an NVMe drive from NewEgg probably a year ago now that everything except the final delivery was normal. It showed delivery and signed for by "Corey at front desk" in Mesa, AZ. I do not live in Mesa. My name is not Corey and I do not have a "front desk" at my residence. NewEgg gave me a refund with no hassles, but my concern is more for the incompetence of the US Postal Service. They used to be one of only a few governmental entities that one could consider reliable and competent, but I don't think so anymore. The best way to screw anything up is to allow a government entity to control it. I have also seen a decline in overall workforce competency across the board. Good help is hard to find and there are more losers that could not do anything right if their lives depended on it than I have ever seen before. Too many just don't care and can't be counted on to do a good job, and I've noticed an uptick in morbid stupidity in the private sector workforce as well. The Z790i Edge motherboard I bought from @electrosoft and the SP117 CPU I purchased (about the same time) were two other recent examples of very late USPS Priority Mail deliveries.

I hate USPS. For the last few months EVERYTHING arrives later than expected. As if that was not bad enough, the local mail carriers are idiots. At least one day a week, sometimes several, I get mail for other people and other people get my mail. They are incompetent.

I started blacklisting and excluding it as bloatware trash quite a few years ago with @j95 driver mods and having it installed did steal CPU clock cycles and lower benchmark scores. ShadowPlay has always been great for game recording. I will let it install and see if my benchmark scores go down like they used to. More processes running in Windows almost always equals lower benchmark scores. I'll find out and if I am wrong I will admit it without hesitation. It is entirely possible I am wrong and things may have improved. (That would be rare based on the current trend in technology, LOL. Not many things are getting better in terms of software and firmware cancer.) And, If I am not wrong, I will mention that as well. Perfect. Glad it was that simple. 🧡

Depending on what you want/like, that kind of sucks. I hate GFE and use NVCleanstall to eliminate it entirely. I don't want that bloatware garbage. I know some people love it, but that will be a huge disappointment to me to have to have the extra garbage installed. It's because your voltage is too low. If your 4080S is like my Gigabyte 4090 the stock vBIOS is the new "low voltage" turd. You need to flash an older vBIOS that is 1.100V max instead of 1.050V max. OMG, I am pretty sure I am going to absolutely despise that. I hope NVCleanstall can help those that do not want it avoid it. I truly loathe the extra trash that NVIDIA and AMD bundle in their drivers and use third-party utilities (Slimmer tool for AMD and NVCleanstall for NVIDIA) to take out their trash.

I was able to increase the all P-core multiplier to 57x now without overheating. So, a 200MHz clock increase without overheating. This would have been over 100°C and a throttled mess without the Loadline Saturation Control option. This is a sweet feature MSI added. Pretty impressive for an ITX mobo and a 360 AIO. I am excited to see what this will do when I get the trashy bin 14900KF out of it and my SP108 13900K or the @Talon 14900K back in it again. @Rage Set This little MSI board having the capacity to run the memory at 8000 fully stable puts all of the idiotic 4-DIMM crazy expensive "enthusiast" motherboard jokes to shame.

That is a good article and it explains how it works in a clear way, unlike "Rambling Bill" LOL. Thanks for the link. I wish ASUS had this feature. I had never heard of it and had not seen the article before. Is this something you remembered reading before, or did you Google search "CPU Loadline Saturation Control" and come across it that way?

@Rage Set I found something interesting that you might want to try on your MPG Z790i Edge. This actually worked very well for me, even with this HORRIBLE 14900KF that I am sending back to Amazon after the 14900K I bought from @Talon arrives tomorrow. This turd CPU cannot run the E-cores above 45x without a BSOD. I found this trick in a Buildzoid video, but to spare you from his rambling and cut to this chase, here is what he showed with his motherboard (exactly the same one). Here is the video if you are a glutton for punishment and have a half hour to spend to harvest a 5-minute nugget. MSI Z790i EDGE WIFI: Load Line Calibration and Vcore regulation Long story short, MSI has a terrible implementation of LLC regulation. There is a workaround that seems totally counter-intuitive if you are used to overclocking with ASUS and EVGA motherboards. Set LLC 8 (maximum vdroop... yes, really), set override voltage, not adaptive, then apply a high Load Line Saturation (I used 75A). I was able to clock the P-cores 100MHz higher with lower load voltage and shaved roughly 12-15°C off of my Cinebench R23 max core temps and scored about 1,000 points higher because it was no longer thermal throttling. This provides better voltage control and he proved it with his oscilloscope. Below are the BIOS settings used on this CPU illustrating what I did, but use the idea conceptually for yours based on what your CPU needs for vcore under full load. As you can see, I set the vcore very high for 56x (much higher than needed)... 1.435V override. Now, go to the DigitALL menu, set CPU and CPU AUX LLC to Mode 8, then enable Load Line Saturation Level and set it to like 75A. This is an amperage negative offset value that reduces the erratic overshoot/undershoot swing in load voltage and slightly reduces power draw (about 50W less for me) and heat. Below is the no-longer-overheating garbage bin 14900KF Cinebench R23 result. It was thermal throttling with the P-cores at 55x before this tweak. In this screenshot the middle number (indicated with green arrows) is the Cinebench R23 load voltage.

I suspect it would have fit issues as well with the Z690 and Z790 Dark because they have the massive VRM heatsink in the same place as the large NVMe heatsink on the Apex/Apex Encore.

In some cases the reviewers are just heiny-kissing shills. Maybe in most cases. Those that dare to call balls and strikes and can't be controlled don't get nearly as many freebies because they can't be bought. Short of saying they are dishonest, it is easier to overlook and forgive defects when you pay nothing. When you use your own money and it turns out to be trash, that changes things... and, you complain about it because it was your money that was wasted.