Mr. Fox

Very sad to see such devastating losses. Nice job to all of the woke CA "leaders" that made this tragedy possible. Their DEI focus and defunding efforts made all the difference. I love Mexico, too. It is a beautiful country and an amazing culture, with many lovely people. The current state of affairs offers us a glmpse into how much damage can be expected when corrupt government and organized crime are allowed to grow unchecked, like a cancer spreading and only becoming evident to its victim when it can no longer be contained. It is tragic how all of that affects the good, God-fearing and hard-working families that live there. If we don't learn from it and take aggressive active steps to avoid it, we will end up with the same horrible mess in the US.

One of the most positive things I can find to say about the X870E Carbon is that it doesn't suck as bad as the X870E Taichi. It's certainly not the worst motherboard I have ever owned. I haven't had MSI motherboards kill multiple CPUs (so far) like ASUS. But, it feels like their efforts are kind of half-assed and it seems pretty evident that their firmware team doesn't know what they are doing. Other than the HydroCopper, I don't really care for how most factory waterblocks are made or how they look. Most are very garish and tacky-looking. I'd rather go with aftermarket personally. Having the stock air cooler will make the card easier to sell when you are done with it. Waterblocked GPUs are hard to sell because the market/interest level in water cooling is low and a general lack of technical knowledge and skill among most gamers. The design of the 5090 FE is unacceptable and I hope the AIBs refuse to follow that model. I would avoid buying a piece of crap made like the 5090 FE. Don't hold your breath about repairs. Being modular doesn't mean any of us would be able to buy any of the parts. All it would do it help the Green Gobin cut down on RMA/warranty repair costs and further maximize their bottom line. They wouldn't be repairing anything, just swapping out any small parts if they fail. We can be confident that NVIDIA is doing only what best serves the interest of NVIDIA, not what is best for the dumb-dumbs that buy their goofy video cards and not because it is a smart idea for end users. First it was the 12VHPWR abortion, now a modular GPU nightmare. That video from Steve is one of his best parodies of how obnoxious, absurd and deliberately misleading the tech industry has become. His use of sarcasm was masterful if not tongue-in-cheek. The reason all of the marketing mumbo-jumbo and lies are so effective is becase so many of the people buying the products are Kool-Aid drinkers that are about as dumb as a box of rocks. If PNY gives Vince as much latitude and autonomy to do things right that EVGA did, PNY K|INGP|N cards might end up being the only option worth buying. Quite a paradigm shift and potentially a path to market domination for PNY. Totally absurd design... Very sad to see such devastating losses. Nice job to all of the woke CA "leaders" that made this tragedy possible. Their DEI focus and defunding efforts made all the difference.

Reasonable compared to what? Compared to how bad they could screw us if they decided to? There is absolutely nothing reasonable about $2000+ for a GPU. Period. It's retarded. We're getting effed over because they know they can. We are partly to blame because we've continued allowing juvenile passions to drive poor judgment as consumers. The days where we could identify value and reasonableness are pretty much gone. I do not believe it will ever be good again. We should expect that getting screwed over real bad is normal, and ASUS and NVIDIA are our biggest abusers. You have to decide how much abuse you are willing to tolerate to own what you want. Lay down, apply Lidocaine liberally, followed by a water soluble lubricant. If you lay on your back and pull your knees to your chest it will be less painful. No, it is not a sign they love you. That would definitely be a first-world problem. The Galax HOF may as well not even exist for me because it's not available. Their market is limited. Acquiring one is not only difficult if you live in the US, but also so absurdly expensive that it makes no sense to even try. The differences that make it better are not consistent with the price and it comes at too high of a cost to be worthwhile. It's unfortunate that we had a 4-year setback with Sleepy Joe and Kameltoe. If we (the US and our allies) do not act swiftly to put China in their place and strip them of their ability to be finanicially sound and a nation of relevance in the world they hate so much we can count on a post-modern holocaust replay. China's intentions for the rest of the world are dark and nefarious. The CCP's extreme wickedness starts at home and is evident by how they (mis)treat their own. We need to make the most important things on Xi Jinping's mind having electricity and running water, worry about how he is going to avoid starving to death and how to evade assassination.

Well, the Gene is arriving later than expected. The shipper must have gone on vacation a few days because it stopped moving for 4 days once it reached the US. Now it is expected this coming Friday instead of Monday. ☹️ I hope I love the Gene. Looking to grab the X870E Apex when it becomes available, but hoping the Gene will make me happy in the meanwhile. I went ahead and started the return/refund process for the X870E Carbon. Nice motherboard other than being 4-DIMM (big strike against it) but very mediocre firmware support. If I were a typical gamer type I'm sure I would love it to death, but being more into overclocking it leaves a lot to be desired. MSI doesn't seem to pursue my niche as hard as some of their competitors do. They still need to fix the bugs in their firmware though. Every update seems to help one thing but throws something else off a bit. Running the latest beta BIOS fixed the broken Per CCD overclocking option, but on this new BIOS I have weird random glitches like both of the onboard NICs not being detected and once in a while when I boot everything is larger size like CSM mode is enabled even though it is not. Both of those glitches go away with a reboot, but putting up with nonsense like that is for the birds. Edit: Oh, a third glitch I just remembered that it does is the screen image in the BIOS randomly is the wrong size (not full screen) with fuzzy text and missing UEFI wallpaper. It generally coincides with everything being larger on the screen during POST like CSM is enabled even when it is not. Rebooting almost always straightens it out on the first try, but it is still inexcusable. MSI has released a ton of BIOS updates since I purchased this. It seems like their firmware team doesn't really know what they're doing. I've heard AMD firmware is easier to screw up than Intel because of all the extra crap AMD requires them to include in the BIOS. Whether true or not I don't know. Just wondering if that is part of why they (MSI) keep missing the mark.

Maybe they think bricking your turdbook BIOS will cause you to buy a POS Surface turdbook.

Smoke and mirrors... AI generated fake multi-frames is not "performance" LOL. It's a software snowjob. NVIDIA has never looked more sneaky and dishonest than they do now. They need to compare next gen to current gen with no frame generation, just bare metal without any stupid AI crap or silly software manipulation.

I am sure he will unless American traitors take drastic measures to block him or interfere in some way. There are special interest groups here that try to interfere any time something right, awesome or good is planned just because their every waking thought is driven by an irrational unconditional hatred for him and anyone that likes him. Kind of like the insane resistance to having secure borders and making illegal entry and occupancy of this country extremely difficult and punishing those that do and get caught. Remember how many hated him because he had the gonads and gall to correctly identify COVID as the "China virus" (even though it was developed in China).

Photos can be deceiving, but it looks very clean and new in the photos. Hopefully it is accurate. The seller is a middle-aged woman (her photo is on her profile) with lots of positive feedback. This is not the type of item she normally sells, so I am hoping this came from her own HTPC and the statement is accurate rather than something she bought cheap to resell and a sales pitch that she invented.

I just snagged this one on eBay. Item description from the seller Works fine. Clean and honestly never was pushed at all. I just don't game. Used in a HTPC

Never any shortage of tacky... always lots of trash from tech industry... they only care about making the kiddos and bottom-feeders happy.

I have never been interested in Founders Edition GPUs. I have always viewed them as a last resort option. I don't like how they look or how they are made. The way this new multi-piece 5090 FE is made I would only own one if I got it for free. That looks like an absolute abortion and I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole. I think it takes the cake as the dumbest design I have ever seen. Designed by idiots, and I'd feel like an idiot buying one. Stupidity is why we can't have nice things. PC builds like this are disgusting. Depending on what kind of mood I am in, just looking at pictures can trigger a negative response. It shows how shallow and hollow things have become. I can't relate to the notion that anyone would actually think something like that looks nice and can't think of anything nice to say about it. Juvenile crap. I had no idea that case was that big. It will be really nice when it is done. Is there any electrolysis between copper and stainless? That would be the only concern to consider about mixing the radiator material types. I am not sure if stainless radiators dissipate the heat the same, better or worse than copper. To be honest, I didn't know stainless was even an option. I have never heard of one until just now. I have only seen copper, brass and aluminum and I try to stay as far away from aluminum as possible. Is the whole thing stainless steel or only the outer frame for aesthetics? I don't understand why distro plates are so darned expensive. All of them are. Even the least expensive off-brand Chinese distro plates are way too expensive. I think most of them are very nice and look good, but I've never owned one because I have always viewed them too expensive for something primarily for aesthetics. In a smaller case with space for pumps and reservoirs being limited I can see where having one might be necessary in lieu of an AIO due to not having adequate space for pump(s) and reservoirs. Singularity makes some truly amazing things. Some of the nicest-looking things, in fact. But I will likely never own any of their products because I am not willing to pay the high-premium prices they charge for something only because I think that it looks nice.

Although I do not like Frank and usually disagree with his opinions, ideas and outright lies about things, I this case I think his comments are on-point. I absolutely would not be playing with a 9950X except for the Core Ultra being such a pathetic and undesirable abortion. I would still be running Intel if the Core Ultra resembled a product engineered similar to Raptor Lake or a Raptor Lake refresh. NVIDIA remains the company that makes flagship products we love best, but otherwise hate. Their deliberate manufacture of sub-halo SKUs that are repulsive and lackluster to drive demand for the top-shelf and grossly overpriced halo products is really despicable. It is the flip of the CPU scenario. Ryzen poplularity exploded due to how crappy Core Ultra was. 4090 and to a lesser degree the 4080 were wildly successful because Radeon and anything less than 4090 (4080 for the second fiddle gamers) from the Green Goblin are repulsive options for enthusiasts. This will be more of the same with 50 series. Either you pay out the kazoo for the best SKU or you settle for an overpriced but cheaper crappy alternative. NVIDIA has this figured out. They offer one great super expensive option. Everything else sucks from them or their competitor. The best inexpensive option is an Arc GPU. There is nothing in the middle worth looking at.

I have always loved guns and assault weapons in particular. I used to own quite a few and my younger brother is still heavily into firearms (he actually designs and fabricates them new from raw materials and restores antique and special interest firearms). But, I can only afford one hobby. If the performance computing hobby continues on its current path and turns to crap like it seems to be the path we are heading down, the time and money spend will be diverted back to guns again. Before I got married and started having kids it was street rods, drag racing and motorcycles. That is no longer an option due to cost being totally out of control in motorsports. These are rich man sports. Besides that, the cleanliness of computing has pretty much ruined that for me. I am no longer interested in having busted knuckles or grease under my fingernails, or paint, solvent or exhaust fumes in my nostrils. That ship has sailed and I no longer want to be on it. I do still love the roar of a a high-revving V8 with open headers and the whistle of a belt-driven blower, but only if someone else is paying for it.

My gaming satisfaction tends to scale with the product and price tag. I find it easier to be satisfied with the performance of products that are consistent with how much (or how little) I paid for it. The more inexpensive the product is, the more likely I am to overlook deficits in performance and minor flaws. I expect a great deal (near perfection) from expensive items and become very critical in forming opinions about them. The flip side is when something is inexpensive and can do what you need it to (with appropriate expectations) without costing a lot, those products are easy to love... or at least appreciate even if you don't love it. I would find it unforgivable for a halo-tier GPU (3090 Ti, 4090, 5090, 7900 XTX, etc.) to not tackle 4K @ 120+ FPS with very high or maxed out settings.

Do we actually know for certain there is going to be a K|NGP|N model, or just hope that Vince will save us from the sucky trash card hell tomorrow is almost certain to bring? If I am remembering correctly, Vince was in talks with PNY? Or was it Zotac? I do not remember hearing if that was ever solidified or became official. For less than $100, can't hate this... one 6-pin power connector. I wish it was not white, but whatever.

While it is impossible to mandate decency and morality, I am all for mandates that uphold the ethics, traditional family values and Judeo-Christian fabric that our nation was built upon. While conceptually supporting freedom of speech and thought, it is unacceptable to give preference and afford special consideration or legal protection to those that drive a controversial and socially reprehensible minority agenda that opposes the principles our nation was founded upon.

Probably the same reason ASUS does. People will pay more for it, even if it doesn't actually perform any better. This has never been more true than it is today. The niche-model high-end flagship GPUs (K|NGP|N and Galax HOF being the exceptions with more things unlocked) generally perform the same as the cheaper models in the same SKU. That started to become more evident with 3090/3090Ti and it got worse with 4090 as the cheaper entry-level cards frequently outperformed the 4090s models that were ~25% more expensive. It has become very common for a low-end $1500 Zotac Trinity or PNY 4090 to run the same as a $2300 Strix 4090. That's hard to forgive. You're not getting better QC or silicon bin quality. All you're getting is a harder punch to the wallet. It is starting to become true on motherboards as well. Especially the undesirable 4-DIMM garbage. Why spend $1,000 on a Godlike or Maximus Extreme board that sucks to the same degree as a budget Tomahawk or Prime motherboard? Basically getting fleeced for twice as much money for something that is not any better, and might even be worse, in terms of performance.

I may sell one of my 4090s and buy fifteen RX 590 at $100 each. (Yes, I am being facetious.) I haven't decided if I am going to consider a 5090. The idea of having something more powerful than a 4090 is compelling because of my fetish. Saying no to it will require a degree of restraint and level-headed thought. I am starting to feel like this hobby is no longer worth pursuing. I often feel like all I am doing is being complicit with (and bamboozled by) part manufacturers and their ludicrous over-the-top cash grabs for overpriced enthusiast-focused products that actually suck at overclocking. If my primary goal is overclocked benching and these new parts don't have any mojo to spare then the joke is on me. At least it is starting to feel that way. The idea that a 4090, much less a 5090, is "needed" for gaming is kind of asinine. The fact that much weaker and far less expensive GPUs comprise the vast majority of what is being sold for gaming will ensure that "need" for $2,000 video cards among gamers does not, and will not, exist for the foreseeable future. As much as NVIDIA might like the idea, game developers are not going to burn a lot of calories producing games that require that their customers spend $2,000 on a GPU capable of running it smoothly with respectable framerates. The game developers are going to focus on producing games that are playable and enjoyable on affordable computer systems since that is what most of their customers own. I threw out the sarcasm about the RX 590 only because I bought a brand new one to upgrade the legacy build I gave to my son-in-law with the X79 Gene and GTX Titan Black. Both of my teenage grand daughters are gamers and that antique Titan isn't getting the job done for them. I tested the $99 RX 590 8GB GPU in my Z90i Edge system (still in it at the moment) and it is a substantial upgrade over the generationally insanely expensive and supreme Titan for a measley $99. As I played some BF2042 and Crysis 3 Remastered at 1080p and medium settings with 75-100 FPS I was impressed with what a cost-effective entry point it is for a gamerboy (or gamergirl in their case). Nothing to write home about. But, insanely easy on the wallet that will give them a lot more enjoyment than the comparatively slow Titan that is on its last leg for driver support. $99 for a ~35% performance uplift feels like a nice gift. If they want something better they can buy their own GPU, LOL. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/32045608/fs/32754644 https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sd/6476802/sd/6502319 https://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/16365577/3dm11/16525382

I find it difficult to understand the logic behind this. But, I am not a gaming enthusiast. If playing PC games ranked high on my list of important things in life I might find it easier to relate. They don't seem to be useful for much of anything else from what I can see. It will be interesting to see if the dual CCD Ryzen 9 X3D will overclock any better than a 9950X. The +200 overclock cap is really annoying.

As far as the turdbook topic goes, there is no longer any such thing as a "good laptop" and you can have whatever you want as long as you want a piece of trash. I honestly do not anticipate that I will ever purchase another laptop again for the rest of my life. I find them all utterly disgusting. As for the desktop, there is never a shortage of trash for the zombie fanboys. It's somewhat comical that the Alienware brand still exists. I guess that means there is also no shortage of stupidity. It's actually rather pathetic when you stop and think about it.

Having everything metered and controlled really ruins things. PCs are becoming nothing more than electronic equivalents of hammers, wrenches and screwdrivers. Having one that is gold plated doesn't make it any more functional than one painted black. The gold plated screwdrivers are designed for people that derive pleasure from wasting money on shiny things that do not perform better. In other words it will be business as usual for turdbook lovers. It's the performance desktop enthusiasts that will be left with nothing worth buying, and a worthless option available for every budget.

That cooler looks a lot like the air cooler from my 4090 Suprim. Not metal, but the lines and geometry are very recognizable. Happy New Year to you as well, brother. Sorry to hear about your CPU. Both of my Z790 systems are still running like a top. I needed something new to play with and decided to give AMD another chance since the top dog Core Ultra offered zero interest. I hated the X570/5950X that I previously owned. This new AM5 build is pretty decent overall. While I still prefer my two Z790 builds, I am content with the 9950X overall and don't regret buying it. It was definitely the better option compared to Core Ultra 285K. All modern platforms have at least a few things that are disappointing. I think the days of awesome PC stuff are behind us now. I have an X670E Gene inbound from China. I think it will be a better candidate for overclocking, especially on the memory side of things. If it gets here before my extended holiday return window closes (assuming the Gene functions as expected) I will be sending the X870E Carbon back to NewEgg for a refund.

It will be interesting to see what they do to 5080, 5070 and 5060 to make the lesser SKUs unattractive so that everyone wants to donate spare body parts to buy the 5090. Wonder if there will be any 5090 overclock headroom left or if it will be pushed to the brink of failure like 14900KS?

MrFox`s y-cruncher - Pi-1b score: 10 sec 909 ms with a Ryzen 9 9950X https://hwbot.org/submission/5739152 BIOS Settings in spoiler... https://imgur.com/a/9ydiFYa