Mr. Fox

Well the Intel Optimizer (with DTPF enabled in the BIOS) actually hindered performance. Decreased my results by 1 FPS but also looks more stuttery than it does with it disabled. It looks like the App doesn't have any support for this game. Metro Exodus is the only one listed that I play. Most of the supported games I either do not own or have zero interest in owning/playing them. I am going to check some of CPU benchmarks to see if they were diminished and probably disable that in the BIOS. I have always hated DTPF and Intel ME feces. It doesn't look like I have any legitimate need for it or the Optimizer app.

Does this require DTPF be enabled in the BIOS? I have that disabled. I don't like it. The Optimizer says "Failed to Connect" probably because of that.

I've never installed that Intel Optimizer thing. I may tr it. My boost is only holding 2775. So, you're 200MHz higher on core, which would explain that 2 FPS difference. I will try the Intel Optimizer first and see if that makes any difference, and then lock my boost to match yours and see what it does.

Oh, that's right. I forgot. Your ambients are probably not as high as mine are. I would imagine it would be getting even hotter than that if they were. Even if it is not the best silicon quality and won't overclock as high as some that are better, it should do everything you do in terms of gaming extremely well. More likely that it is "average" rather than "poor" quality. I ran all these on the Gigabyte 4090. I will try the same on the 4090 Suprim to see if there is a difference. That GPU is better bin than the Gigabyte GPU.

OK, now it is a slideshow. Not as good as your prediction. Motion blur takes a little more VRAM, but otherwise performance is the same. With your chiller you are getting a couple of extra frames probably because the GPU is holding boost fully. I am not using the chiller and my office is 81°F (27°C) and not holding max boost clock due to that. (Core max 69.3°C and hotspot 88.9°C with the hot ambient temps.) FPS identical with motion blur disabled, but VRAM slightly less used.

OK. Here you go, Brother. Not quite the slideshow expected but a much lower FPS.

I am not sure what that means if you can clarify what setting to try. There is no option to turn off DLSS in the benchark, but I ran every combo I could identify with DLSS, FSR, TSR and XeSS, RT set on Very High on all. Most games like this are very boring to me. Not enough action to hold my attention like a FPS.

The game has great graphics no matter what settings are chosen. Very good appearance. I am so glad the benchmark is free. Now I don't need to buy the game to get the benchmark. (Not a fan of the RPG genre, so it is highly unlikely that I will buy it.) For comparison: 14900KF @ 59x-P, 48x-E, 52x Cache Memory @ 8400 CL38 4090 Stock Display @ 4K 144Hz DLSS, RT On-Very High, Frame Generation On DLSS, RT On-Very High, Frame Generation Off DLSS, RT OFF, Frame Generation On DLSS, RT OFF, Frame Generation OFF FSR, RT On-Very High, Frame Generation On TSR, RT On-Very High, Frame Generation On XeSS, RT On-Very High, Frame Generation On DLSS SR 100%, DLSS, RT On-Very High, Frame Generation On DLSS SR 100%, RT On-Very High, Frame Generation OFF

LOL. Any man that doesn't love his friends and family is either a liar or a monster. Any man that is scared to admit it because they are worried someone is going to think they are queer needs to seek professional help. I think the underlying issue is many confusing love as being somehow related to carnal instincts and they're totally different. It is sad to know that the former is totally missing from the lives of some people, while the latter is something we have in common with animals.

I can hardly wait to watch this movie. 🤣 Looks like it will be pretty hilarious.

Brother @Papusan I hope tomorrow you enjoy a wonderful day. Thanks for being such a good friend to all of us here in the forums. May tomorrow be the first day of your best year of life.

I hate it when hardware needs a specific operating system for the hardware features to work. That is super scummy. It is especially scummy if it is an operating system that sucks and you don't want to use it, but it is the only way the feature will function because of collusion between software developer and hardware manufacturer. That should be against the law. Hardware features should be required to be OS agnostic and the sale of the hardware banned if it is not.

I forgot how different overclocking was with this old stuff. What seems like very high voltage now is normal back then. XMP default OC voltage for DDR3 is 1.650V and bumping it to 1.700V is better. The colors of the values do not change to red until like 1.750V and that is the low end of the red range. VCore using an ASUS "watercooled OC gaming profile" is 1.550V. And, even with that high of voltage look at the reasonable temperatures... Core max 78°C with an AIO. Big die... big IHS... less heat bottleneck. But, everyone just loves a die shrink. It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye. Newer is better newer. Smaller is better hotter. The truth will set you free. https://hwbot.org/submission/5623603

I think I may have a G.SKILL 7200 kit I am not using that I will sell for a good price if you don't have any already. I also have a Crucial/Micron DDR5 Pro kit that I have used just for testing, but it's really not designed for overclocking. I think I have run it at 6000 on a two slot board. Which is probably all a 4-slot Z690 motherboard is going to manage with stability anyhow.

Here is a free new GPU benchmark that looks like it might be a good one for comparing GPU performance.

For the money I don't think you're going to do any better than that 12900KS on iGFX.

There is a possibility that they look alike if they are made by the same company and just rebranded with their own names, logos and proprietary aesthetic gadgetry. A lot of AIOs are basically Asetek clones.

Got the Klevv DDR3-2666 and tightened up the timings. Nice bump. Hard to believe it is DDR3, eh @tps3443 https://hwbot.org/submission/5622859_ This quad channel kit is really nice. They are super heavy and the heatsinks look excellent.

I have no interest in running a CPU with the IHS and stock solder intact. In light of that, this is probably the ideal alternative to a custom loop. Definitely superior to a standard AIO and/or a stock CPU with no delid/bare die. It can't replace my more elaborate (and costly) setups, but it does not need to in the situation for which this system is purposed. In short, I think it is excellent and I am super glad that I snagged it. I think this exceeds what one can typically expect from a SFF desktop.

Speaking of that... MSI finally dropped the new BIOS with MC 0x129 for the Z790I Edge. Working like a champ. No issues with stability or loss of performance. Memory tuned nicely. 57x P-Cores, 47x E-Cores, 52x Cache, VCore 1.290V, 8200 CL38-48-48-84. Sweet little monster now with the 3090 Ti FTW3.

To the extent it actually produces a measurable difference it is likely to be on a bone stock version of Windows 11. If a person has done a good job of exorcizing the demonic powers hiding in the smelly butt-crack of a vanilla cancer version I suspect it probably doesn't change much, if anything. I am wondering to what extent simply logging out and then into a new/different account might produce a similar result. If there are fewer startup processes and no scheduled "maintenance" running in the background when logging in on a new or seldom used Windows user account this will definitely result in a performance boost.

I just know what I don't want and know what I won't settle for as an alternative. Pretty cut and dry. Remember, it was not long ago that I gave it a spin with 5950X and then with 6900 XT and both were disappointing to me. Had I pretended that I was happy and been willing to settle then that would have made me a fanboy for sure. I don't care about brand. I care about getting what I want. I'd kick Intel to the curb in a heartbeat if AMD actually offered something that looked enticing to me on the surface and delivered on my expectations. I'm not ready to roll the dice again. Maybe someday, but the wounds are too fresh to even consider it. I've given them multiple opportunities to give me something that makes me happy over the past ~15 years, wasted some of my hard-earned money in the process, and it hasn't worked out for them. I'd say that is pretty open-minded, but I am not going to lower my standards as an accommodation.

For now we have to just settle for disabling the service. Even using NSudo does not allow manually deleting the BitLocker service. At least we can disable this trash. Maybe it can be removed from the ISO with NTLite like Defender.

Windows 11 truly does suck, but that may not be a legitimate crutch. It sucks for all CPUs, not just Ryzen 5.

That is patently false. Some might be, but a small percentage and far from "all" (contrary to what the AMD YouTube shills want everyone to believe). That's easy. Linux is a better OS than Windows 11 no matter what CPU you are using. Windows 11 has been a defective product from launch day and will never be a good operating system. Windows 11 truly does suck, but that may not be a legitimate crutch. It sucks for all CPUs, not just Ryzen 5.