Mr. Fox

On face value I think it qualifies as facetious. 3080 Ti FTW3 destroys 4060 Ti. Even the 4070 Ti is just a shade better. Not enough better to justify spending money on it if you have a 3080 Ti.

Newer is always better newer... 100% of the time. The people who make money selling things just because they are new appreciate it the most, LOL. Lots of this... Lots of that... But, very seldom this...

Dang, that is really one stupid-looking GPU. That goofy frame arounds it is super dorky looking. The people that design ASUS products are retards in the truest sense. They do some of the most ridiculous and unintelligent things I have ever seen. I think it was a smart idea and MSI thought of it. I doubt it had to do with cost. I doubt the cost would be appreciably different. It should become industry standard if the industry intends to keep using this garbage connector form factor. I think it should be discontinued immediately and they should go back to using 8-pin connectors until something that we can actually say is better has been identified. They could use the same 24-pin connectors as motherboard power if the idea of going back to using 2, 3 or 4 of the 8-pin connectors is mysteriously somehow a bad idea even though it never was before. NVIDIA just needs to own the fact that the 12VPHWR connector was a stupid idea, and all of the AIB partners need to retool for 8-pin and stop building anything using the new trash. ("New" is fast becoming the synonym for trash, or so it seems.) The yellow is a super smart idea. It doesn't fix the underlying problem of the defective connector design, but it makes spotting the problem easier. But, there is an aspect to it that is super-stupid, too. By using the 12VHPWR connector on both ends, they are DOUBLING the chances that the cable will burn due to a poor connection. Since the connector design is inherently defective, it makes NO SENSE they would do this. They should have normal connections at the PSU. Just like the superior 8-pin (6+2 PCIe) connector that has served the world well since the day they were introduced, there have been no problems on the PSU plug side of things. Now MSI is introducing a second problem where a solution or change was unnecessary and, in this case, ILL ADVISED. That seems almost as stupid as something ASUS would do, LOL. Change for the sake of change is never good or welcomed. It's just dumb.

Using this would require installing a weak CPU on a relatively low-profile air cooler or a 360 AIO. I wonder if you could fit a 360 AIO into that? Seems like that might come closer to fitting than a respectable air cooler would. It also needs a 1440p screen versus 1080p. They should make it a few inches bigger to accommodate keyboard and mouse storage with a special pouch our something. But, if it is already at the maximum size allowed for carry-on luggage that might not be possible. You'd probably never see it again if you checked it as luggage. TSA/Airline baggage handlers are notorious for 5-finger discounts. I've lost lots of things, often things of low value, that was in my checked bags. For a period of time it was least once a month something would get stolen from my checked luggage. Cologne/aftershave, cordless beard trimmers, even articles of clothing. Even the TSA-approved padlocks I used to lock the luggage would be gone when I would get my bags from the baggage claim carousels. The padlocks were stolen/missing almost 100% of the time. After buying them a half dozen times I finally gave up. I would also be concerned about the GPU bouncing around during travel. You would need some air bags or something to pinch it in place like those expandable foam things they use for shipping prebuilt desktops. Otherwise, I think you would be courting disaster just letting the PCIe latch and thumbscrews be the only thing to secure it. It is a neat idea, and it's awesome that it will support a full ATX motherboard instead of the crippled baby desktop motherboards. But, something about it makes me hate it. I do not like any of them personally, but I think the SFF hotboxes might work better. Check this out, though... I figured out a way to control the rainbow puke on my TeamGroup Delta RAM. I can't bring myself to install the Armory Crate digital gonorrhea UWP software, but this did the trick. Everything else in my work PC is managed by a SATA-powered external ARGB/RGB controller with a handheld remote and Aura is disabled in the BIOS, but even that didn't stop the memory from doing its zombie rainbow puke dance. I downloaded this originally for the 48GB 7200 G.SKILL Trident memory kit that was defective and needed to be RMA'd, but it works perfectly for the TeamGroup Delta memory. https://www.gskill.com/gskill-device/memory/G.SKILL-Trident-Z-Lighting-Control-v1.00.35.zip https://www.gskill.com/gskill-device/memory/G.SKILL-Trident-Z-Lighting-Control-v1.00.35.zip Everything's right when my lights are all white. It's really too bad the Q-code LCD letters are red instead of white like the Z690 Dark.

OK, good. I generally see between 12.150V and 12.950V.

Are they saying that drops in voltage are causing the cables to melt? If so, how does that make sense?

I like consistency and a desktop environment that looks and feels like Windows 7/Vista best, but I like that I can do most of the things I want to do with Linux and I don't have someone dictating that I accept their way of doing things and stealing my data while dictating. We got Vista, too!

Linux Vista Linux 7 @Raiderman

It's so hard, and getting harder, to tolerate the abject stupidity... where is the bottom? This is what utopia is to the woke leftist. No thanks. It's time to take out the trash... and burn it. These idiot people don't deserve the air they breathe. As far as something to celebrate goes, Target Partners With Group Pushing Wokeness it's always awesome to see financial harm visited upon companies that are run by corrupt leftists and unfit leadership. First Bud Light, now Target, I am excited to see whose turn it will be next to pay the price for being stupid and evil. I hope they all burn to the ground.

That's because the person likes Windows 11 and made it look like it. That's the problem with Windows. People with very tacky taste in aesthetics are ramming the garbage they like up our butts. With Linux you can tweak to your heart's content. But, it is really easy to misjudge the beauty of Linux when the people showing it off like things that you find ugly. The default Ubuntu Unity desktop environment is the pinnacle of grotesque UI in my opinion, but some people love it. Same for POP_OS! GUI. I think it sucks real bad, but changing it to something you like is as simple as running a couple of terminal commands and then you can go to town tweaking. Yeah, it just doesn't get any better than that. I'm not into fancy window decorations and weird themes, but I absolutely love that classic beauty stuff. And, that's exactly what is missing in Windows 8/10/11. It's all nasty-looking pastel rainbow vomit, big, ugly tiles and fat icons, fat window borders and abusive use of white from W8.X forward. Really makes me want to puke in a matter of seconds. I despised it within the first 30ms of seeing it the first time and I haven't grown numb to it or learned to tolerate it since; only grown to hate it more with the passing of time. It actually makes me very angry every time I have to use a default Windows 8.X/10/11 GUI. Angry about how ugly it is, and angry that some people think its nice and expect everyone else to embrace it just because their personal tastes suck.

Nope, the TG Delta can't. 7600 or so max. No match for my naked green sticks. Well, you can add this as another example of the silicon lottery at its worst. I bought the identical kit that you did and it's absolute dog crap quality. It's worse than garbage and I'm sending it back to NewEgg on RMA today. This kit won't even pass memory stability tests running their stock XMP profile and won't run anywhere near 8200 stable like my generic green sticks. I'm extremely disappointed that these are rubbish after seeing the good results that @tps3443got with his. I wasted several hours trying to make them work to my satisfaction yesterday and won't be wasting any more time with this trash. In contrast, I also helped a friend build a new system with a Z690 Dark mobo using this same 48GB G.SKILL 7200 kit and they are stable on his system. So, yeah... hit or miss is the only way to describe it. Their QC really sucks. For the record, I've had more defective memory modules that have been RMA from G.Skill than I have from Team Group. 100% of the G.Skill DDR5 kits have been RMA'd and more than half the time the DDR4 kits haven't been able to run stable and got returned for a refund. Most of the time the Delta RAM has at least passed all memory tests using the XMP profile even when it didn't overclock very well. As you can see from my comments above, your mileage may vary. I'm definitely not impressed with G.Skill as a brand and haven't been for a couple years. Their quality control issues predates DDR5. Totally hit or miss on stability and overclock capacity of their memory kits. Even the plastic RGB diffuser on these new modules that I'm returning today rattles a bit. Very poor QC at G.Skill based on several years of experience with their brand. I had high hopes for the kit that I'm returning today. Really disappointed that they haven't gotten their act together and become more consistent. I'm not going to try another one. Brother @tps3443just got lucky again in the silicon lottery. I have RMA'd more unstable G.SKILL memory kits than I have any other brand. When you get lucky they are good, but they are inconsistent quality. Fantastic. I probably won't be far behind you, bro. There is just no end to the detritus the Redmond Retards continue depositing in/on our systems with their endless supply of projectile digital diarrhea. Check out some of my Linux threads and posts in this forum. There's literally no compelling reason to install Windows anymore unless you require Micro$lop Office or enjoy Windows-only benchmarks. For everything else Linux is better. As long as you avoid the garbage software Linux is awesome. (Free is free, just like the free garbage from Micro$lop Store usually turns out to be rubbish. Easy come, easy go. Nobody has a right to complain if it is free unless it breaks something or contains malware.) I wouldn't recommend Linux to anyone that struggles with changes in technology, but I also wouldn't recommend changing to a different version of Windows to that same group of low-tech zombie computer users.

I think it doesn't get mentioned simply because a LOT of people don't know any better. Everything is a silicon lottery and QC roulette... CPU, mobo, memory, GPU... all of it. I have RMA'd 95% of the memory modules I have purchased (DDR4 Samsung B-die, Hynix M-die and Hynix A-die) because many of them are defective trash that cannot function as intended. It's no secret that I am running 8200 stable on my Z690 Dark. The memory modules I have installed on it now are the only modules I have owned that can do that. (I have not tested the 7200 TG Delta installed in the Apex on the Dark yet. It might be the second that can.) People assume that just because they volunteer to be raped financially that they are getting something awesome because it was super expensive and that is simply not the case all of the time. It's only true when it is true. We are surrounded by companies that sell garbage and get away with it because people don't know how or why they are getting screwed, and some do not even recognize that they are because they derive pleasure from claiming ownership of the overpriced trash they have purchased, even when it is broken. (Alienware's continued existence is just one example providing proof of this exploitation of human ignorance.) *obscene gestures directed at Strix 4090 turd GPU* *glares at Z690 Apex piece of trash*

I never had any "problems" associated with memory temperatures with the 3090, but I never tried using it in a SFF hotbox that suffocated it. I suspect the 12VHPWR connection was never a problem (I do not remember ever hearing about one melting on a 3090 Ti) because everyone basically had the ugly stock pigtail as the only solution. The 40-series brought custom cables and a relevant aftermarket parts presence because it wasn't something applicable to only one overpriced and arguably overrated GPU model with very limited market share. The tacky-looking stock 12VHPWR pigtail has no flexibility issues. It's just a whole lot uglier than anything else available. And, that won't matter in a chassis where nobody can see how ugly it looks. What I find most sad about the stubby eyesore stock adapter is nobody learned anything from the 3090 Ti, or they just didn't give a damn, because all they needed to do to make it less of an aesthetic atrocity was add another 8 to 10 inches to the length of the cable to facilitate a cleaner-looking build. If you could hide the nasty-looking "knots" where the stock 8-pin PSU connectors attach to it, the aesthetic value of the aftermarket cables would be dramatically diminished. I would say minimal difference unless you compare against something measurably better like a FTW3 or KPE or Galax HOF. It may be more important to focus on what fits in the limited space and how the cooler design works best with where you are going to install it. In a SFF scenario, the FE might be best suited to exhausting hot air through the I/O plate like the FE does, rather than blasting it sideways around the perimeter of the heatsink into the chassis like most other coolers. As best I can tell from some limited-interest Google searching, there are no mini-ITX motherboards with respectable overclocking capabilities. They are 2-DIMM configuration (desirable) due to size, but they all seem to have limited overclocking potential and wimpy 10-phase power delivery designs. The focus seems to be on size reduction rather than performance.

Yes... more powerful, more VRAM, easier to resell and holds its value better. Might not "need" an upgrade to 4090 if the 3090 ticks all of your boxes. I'm not sure. Not that I am aware of, but I have never paid any attention to 3080/3080 Ti options.

I would recommend going with a good 3090. You might find you have no compelling reason or need to upgrade. It will also be easier to sell if you decide to sell it later. I would recommend not going with a 3090 Ti because they use the 12VHPWR connector. See in-line comments inside of quote

I think some people might be getting mixed messaging about the black screen issues that some of NVIDIA's newest drivers and DWM.exe are causing and thinking their cable is burning. Some of the latest and greatest DCH filth drivers can cause users to experience random black screen issues.

Maybe it is only an odd coincidence... Don't know since this is the only 13900KS sample I have seen, but it seemed like the rubberized adhesive and solder were much thinner and a lot easier to remove on this one. The delid itself was easier (required what seemed like less force) and the cleaning and prep seemed easier.

Electronics and technology are a racket and organized crime ring.

My bad. The E-cores were not at 48x. Now they are. The extra 200MHz on the baby cores does make a difference. Same voltage (1.400V vCore).

Probably planned that way. When the Green Goblin still supported SLI it took 3 or 4 generations of improvement for a single GPU in the same performance level to match 2x SLI. Money didn't come as easy for them as it does now. They actually had to earn it by releasing something special enough to beat the SLI setup. OK, so 60x all P-core, bumped ring to 51x. vcore needed is 1.400V.

Looks like vcore of 1.290V is the bottom for 58x on all P-cores. Quite an improvement from the 1.350V needed for 56x on the 13900K. It might go a little lower with adaptive voltage, but probably not worth burning any more calories on it. I think this is good enough. Time to go up on the multis.

OK, so I just delidded the 13900KS. Much better temperatures. Still testing, but 58x on P-cores is fine at 1.300V static vcore. Will see if I can go lower, then see how much it needs for 60x for all P-cores.

Or, depending on how you look at it... We can ask the same question of NVIDIA and AMD now... $300? Really?

Intel Arc A770 is the better GPU here. The RX 7600 is cheap GPU for people that need basic output and the ability to play YouTube videos, or smartphone games on PC such as Tetris, Flow Free, Bejeweled, Angry Birds and Candy Crush.