Mr. Fox

Totally. If there is no place to send the heat and no way to dissipate it because the dumb-dumbs that made it cut too many corners on the design and engineering then you're pretty much done. Nothing is going to fix that and any efforts in that regard are utterly futile. The only solutions are sell it to someone that doesn't care that it is a piece of garbage or return it for a refund.

Since I have plenty of leftover sheet I am going to put it to the test. Both of my bare die setups the water block sits directly on the die so no IHS. You're right about the IHS though. The Coollaboratory liquid metal sheets won't melt correctly for me on a CPU IHS. I saw where Igor got it to work, but I tried and I could never get it to melt 100% on top of the IHS, and the temperatures were horrible. I did get the Indigo Extreme thing to work once on 8700K and it was phenomenal. It melted perfectly and covered the entire IHS like a glove. It was a real nightmare to remove later (like it was welded to the IHS) and I had to use a razor blade to peel it off in tiny fragments. I could never get it to work right again on subsequent attempts. I must have just gotten lucky that one time, LOL. I am glad that worked out well. I have seen so many horror stories that the thought of heating them, even with something that shouldn't be hot enough to melt solders scares me. Sometimes the soldering is very weak on memory modules and I have seen several examples of where the modules got literally ripped off the PCB with hardly any effort. I think to be on the safe side I will stick with paint thinner since that worked really well for me last time to dissolve the adhesive. You just have to be careful not to submerge the part number decal, because it will remove that in a jiffy.

What process did you use to remove the stock heatsinks? Soaking in paint thinner or did you find something easier? Did that work for you?

Unless something changes, I will just skip it or wait until 14900KS comes and goes, then buy a nicely binned sample from someone selling to pay for the next thing. Overclocking is still super important to me and 90% of why I enjoy computers, but I am done chasing numbers on HWBOT where all of the winners are pre-selected and rigged, the chosen ones are gifted cherry-picked hardware and provided firmware nobody else has access to. I've lost most of the respect I used to have for the people and companies involved. They're partly responsible for the death of the sport, too. There are too many people that feel the same way I do, and are sick and tired of getting screwed over.

If they had a 2-DIMM version I would consider grabbing one for testing, but the thought of flushing money down the toilet on a 4-DIMM DDR5 motherboard that is going to suck at memory overclocking makes me want to puke my guts out. It also seems to be missing some essential features like power and reset buttons, and no POST code LCD. I'm going to take a wild guess that it's also missing a dual BIOS feature. That's how they get away with raping us on the price of enthusiast motherboards. They charge several hundred dollars more for features that probably adds $20-$30 to the cost of manufacturing. Sorry about the multi-posting. There doesn't seem to be a way to correct this using a phone OS. The cut/paste functionality is too limited. Can't select and cut a post quote to paste it into a prior post like you can on a PC. I'll try to remember to clean it up later when I'm back at my computer.

I had seen lots of posts and examples of how PTM7950 improved thermals on turdbooks that are otherwise untamable. I got some on Amazon for my Precision and I have to tell you that it's 100% true. It dropped my maximum core temps under load by approximately 15°C. I'm not kidding. @ryan I was seeing 95-100°C CPU package temps playing BFV with KPx and now see only about 80°C running an AIDA64 or OCCT stress test. Putting it in the freezer for a half hour prior to installation makes it easier to apply without destroying it. This is very similar to the improvement seen for a desktop CPU delid. I'm very impressed and pleased with the result. I put it on the Quadro P5000 as well. It was not overheating before and didn't really need any help with thermals but it also dropped the GPU core temps about 5°C. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0BRJB8JNX?psc=1 I'm thinking about using this to see if it helps with the ludicrous hotspot temps on the 6900 XT. I might even try it just for giggles on the bare die application on one of my desktops to see how it compares to liquid metal in that scenario. Given the fact that laptops are a bare die application it might perform surprisingly well.

Right click the system tray icon and choose memory timings.

Sweet. What voltage are you using now? Can you share a HWiNFO64 memory timing screenshot, like this?

Nope. Not me. Unless it turns out to be significantly improved it is too expensive for what seems like an extremely modest bump in clocks. Seems like a poor value for anyone that owns a decently binned 13900KS. If you draw a short straw in the lottery, it might not be as good. I ordered this instead. Coming from Germany. Got it from P5ych0 at HWBOT. 550€ #7 13900KS Pcore 120 Ecore 97 capable for 7560 R20 8/16 LN2, and DDR5 at 8800 c36 Geek3 ambient https://community.hwbot.org/topic/226056-fs-eu-asus-apex-ix-z270-13900ks-7560-816-ln2-strong-imc/

Perfect. As I mentioned in our text yesterday, just having the jackets and block will lower the temps tremendously. It shows how HORRIBLE the garbage stock heatsinks heating blankets are. It is totally inexcusable how lousy the stock ones work/don't work. Did you have any difficulty getting the stock heatsinks off the Trident modules? Did you use paint thinner to soften the adhesives?

That's good to know. It makes sense that most, if not all, are using the same size o-rings. It would keep production costs down if everyone was using a common o-ring and not having a proprietary part manufactured for the various cooling components.

They don't come with any pads? Dang. Glad I have a bunch of extras. Does it say to use 0.5mm pads or did you measure? Did you already get your heat sinks off of the G.SKILL modules? I haven't done mine yet. Will soak them in laquer thinner like I did the last ones. The adhesive comes off easy that way. Excellent. Glad it is working as well for you, too. 👍 I just got an update from USPS. US Customs in NY is processing it, so I will probably receive it Saturday or Monday.

Awesome. Not sure when mine will arrive, but finally at least have tracking info.

Nothing is too crappy for the lowest common denominators and their chintzy disposable hardware trash.

Well, it's going back. I opened the box after work today to look it over. It's actually gorgeous and I am far more impressed than I expected to be. Even though it is white and I prefer black, it looks amazing. HOWEVER, it is not as advertised. It's not new. I could ignore that. It is not without damage. There are some minor scratches on edges of panels and a small and inconspicuous dent in the lower rear corner of the removable back panel. For $77 I could even forgive that. The blemishes are so minor I wouldn't make a fuss over it unless I had paid retail. What I can't accept is the fact that none of the hardware is included. The rear SSD bar behind he mobo tray is missing. All of the removable SSD inserts at the front side area where a radiator can be mounted vertically are missing. None of the included accessory parts, screws or standoffs are there. Thankfully, Nellis Auction has a 7-day hassle-free return policy. Bummer. So, I am only out the gasoline for the 25-minute drive each way. Could be worse. I do not believe it was intentionally misrepresented. The people that inspect and photograph the items to go on auction are probably not the sharpest tool(s) in the shed, and I doubt they would know what should be included or how to identify what is missing. To a novice that knows little or nothing about computers, it would look new/complete.

Yeah, that is really dirty pool these scumbags are playing. The have chosen to withhold support for it in an effort to twist peoples' arms into adopting their latest piece of trash OS. They can drop dead and [insert your expletives of choice]. I can't think of any words that are nasty or vile enough to express the level of contempt and disrespect I have for Apple and Microsoft. I literally hate both companies and wish both would go bankrupt, cease operations and leave the world in a spot of having to choose which Linux distro to install to continue using their PCs and Macs.

Deliberate. Just like the previous lies. Windows 7 doesn't support DX12, rebar, pure UEFI, WiFi 6, Intel HD Graphics, Ray Tracing... all absolute and unadulterated lies and bull crap. They don't ALLOW it because they must control and force their agenda. Poo-poo cah-cah. That's why Linux is the better solution, even when it isn't the best solution. Proprietary Nazi crap.

Nope. I hate it when one AIB partner does something stupid/different than the rest with things like ports. The standard is 3 DP and 1 HDMI and they should all stick to that. I use all three of my DP ports so that would screw things up. In the past I have tried to use both types of ports in a multi-display setup and the color and brightness never matches 100%.

That would be worth looking into, for sure. So, wasn't really looking for it, but I snagged a brand new in-box (very rough box, LOL) Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL for $77 yesterday from a local online auction that sells items with damaged packaging or minor blemishes. I picked it up from their warehouse a few miles up the road after work yesterday. I have no use for it, but it was too cheap to ignore at that price. Now I need to decided if I want to keep it or sell it for a profit. It's white, which isn't my favorite, but it would look nice with the Z790 Apex inside of it.

Oh wow, I wonder when those were released? I never would have sold my beloved Kingpin card had those been available at the time I sold it. 💔 After my last block cleaning and repaste that was timed strategically with the sale, that was the primary driver. I intended for it to be the last time and felt compelled to sell it before a problem developed with a leaking waterblock. I didn't want an unserviceable paperweight, or be put in the position of having to use the stock AIO. It is a major bummer that those were not available, or I didn't know about them. I would have purchased the Bykski block to replace the Hydro Copper block the moment I spotted it. 💔

Yeah, the oils from that full cover pad are crazy. The last time I cleaned and repasted the 3090 KPE I was able to get it completely clean and then cleaned all of the excess oil from the pad using 91% iso. I think it took like 10 or 12 ounces and repeated applications and scrubbing with a toothbrush to get the card clean. It was a real pain in the butt. Much more difficult than K5 Pro removal, which is enough of a pain. If you want a Galax HOF 4090 for about $800-$1000 more than a Suprim X you can grab one from Galax's web store. As idiotic as the price is, it is still much cheaper and WAY BETTER than a ASSUS Matrix joke GPU. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805483024002.html Or, you can waste a couple grand less on a Red Devil space heater. Mr. Potty mouth couldn't even fix his with liquid metal. Seem like it is defectively engineered. Totally unacceptable thermals. He claims he "fixed it" and did make it better, but 96°C hotspot in a Fire Strike stress test is still just garbage. The name is fitting, though... runs as hot as hell, LOL. Yeah, K5 Pro is super messy, but works very well in place of pads. I put it inside of a big syringe and use that to apply it to keep the mess under control. It makes application very neat and easy. I still have quite a bit in a syringe that hasn't been used up. I will probably use that on the Precision turdbook the next time I have it apart. The CPU is running way too hot with KPX on it.

That could be the best way in your situation and I've done it many times before as well. No need to remove the internal storage. Install on another computer, make a Macrium Reflect image of it on USB, then restore it on the system where you want it. Easy peasy.

Can you install from internal CD/DVD and PS/2 keyboard and mouse? That is how I did it with Z490 and Z690. I gave up on trying to integrate USB 3.X drivers.

The block looks great. Maybe even better than new with the sanding grain. Ray tracing totally kills AMD GPUs prior to 7900 XT/XTX. RDNA2 can't handle it well at all. I'm sure somebody is going to want to get screwed over and pay $500 more than the normal and already ludicrous 4090 price to have that red green card. Don't know why they would, but there's no doubt in my mind. There is never a shortage on dumb.