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I don't blame ya, but it looks like the 5090 might not hit till early next year. I know I have two people who saw some of my screen shots gaming on stock vBIOS hitting 3120 on stock cooling reach out and ask to let them know when I sell mine to keep them in mind as they would like to buy it so OC's do count for many. I did contemplate selling mine for how much I paid for it and riding my 7900xtx to the 5090. I'd have to turn off RT in WoW though. 😞 *Shrug* As long as memory hit +1000 and clocks were 2900, I'd be ok with it but the extra goodness never hurts.

Good! TSMC is the market leader in node fabs. Let Intel continue to progress and refine their 18A and use TSMC in the here and now over their own, internal 20A. --- As for Jufes, his quote, "When the 9800X3D comes out, I'm pretty sure it's going to destroy everything" Now imagine the 9950X3D with that sweet, sweet binned X3D CCD..... Yeah.....

Yep, he's really impressed with the 9000 architecture. 9950x is really holding its own against both a 7800X3D and 6ghz all core 14900KS. Max OC shootout.... Really looking forward to 9950X3D vs 15th gen....

History with Nvidia repeating itself.... 5080 will be on par or marginally faster than the 4090 (reports show ~10% atm) 5090 will be substantially faster than the 4090 and be a halo product (Same as 4090 vs 3090ti, but potentially even larger). Expect $1799 if not more at launch base price *If* we get a Titan class card, it will be a full fat die 5090 (Has happened before with Nvidia) Don't be surprised depending on market conditions if 12-18 months later we get a 5090ti which will be the full fat die. I wouldn't bank on it with the AI craze and AMD bringing absolutely nothing to market that can even touch the 5080 let alone the 5090. Seeing what they are offering, it might not even touch the 5070ti.

I called it the, "great waste purge." I sat down and went through everything and decided to cancel just about everything and then the wife and I would wait to see what we actually missed and add things back in. Streamlining our Internet/streaming saved $200/mo all on its own. The savings were over $500/mo when all was said and done and we don't miss anything. Very smart to cut costs especially with an incoming mortgage bro. 👊

Sounds about right considering you are on an open bench so that card gets all that fresh air. 🙂

Something is seriously wrong if it is running at +80C. Depending on game/benchmark/settings, I usually see anywhere from 53c to 61c on average on my Suprim Liquid X 4090 and it could probably use a repaste as I am still using the stock factory paste.

I've been testing the preview update for 24H2 and I'm not seeing much of a difference on my AMD platform but I am seeing marginal gains on my Intel platform. I've also been testing a lot of the Xpac on both setups and swapped GPUs back and forth and I'm finding Intel is really offering a much more seamless and smooth experience in the caverns of The War Within (TWW). I plan on running some other tests soon as I continue to collect more data and try different configs. We have to wait for raids to open up to get some better metrics. Still looking forward to your results on the 905p @tps3443!

I stopped taking "professional" reviews as gospel decades ago when they absolutely trashed the original Highlander movie. I realized you need to read as many reviews as possible. You also need to find reviewers that align with your likes/dislikes to get a better idea of if you will like that product. Even then, you may still end up disagreeing. Everything is individualized. Everything is subjective.

Looks like Intel gets some uplift in spots, but overall this is shaping up to be a monster win for AMD gaming. Those are some insane uplifts in pockets and an overall 10% on average uplift with no regression in performance elsewhere. BS about 9000 vs 7000 aside (shame AMD), this is shaping up to be a rather juicy update and looking forward to the overall Intel v AMD gaming suite comparisons.

Agreed, if this can help with TS, I am real curious to see how this would help out the chunk/fps drop in WoW in similar situations. Where does asset loading stutter via SSD end and asset loading stutter via texture loading in memory begin? I saw a few 800GB models for right around 1k but if it really helps smooth out game play I'd contemplate making it my game drop for select games that benefit from it especially WoW and raiding.

Segmenting them into two classes of loading asset stutter (SSD stutter, texture loading/shifting stutter), they are a similar problem but I see where you're coming from. But it does make me even more curious about using a P5800X would eliminate the problem and if so then using one in other games to see if the SSD is partially the culprit. The problem I can think of is even with a P5800X, if you're running very high refresh gaming (let's say 60fps or greater), even a P5800X won't be able to compensate. You would have to find the sweet spot to lock your fps to fluidly and seamlessly traverse from one location to the next. Faster the random I/O,/ms the higher the fps you can lock. This is still the basics and dream of M$ DirectStorage but you need a competent SSD/technology to implement it properly. @tps3443 you need to order one and see where the sweet spot falls. You could also inversely continue to lock your fps lower and lower till you find the sweet spot with your current SSD and the problem goes away. Next NEXT NEXT generation then hmmm? 🤣 Those are fantastic results AND you gained a bin on your 4090 as a result even at better temps! Where did you source your PTM7950? A lot of counterfeit sources on the market at the moment unfortunately.

When I was younger, I had so much free time and zero other cares in the world. I could program and game 16hrs/day no problem and get by on 4hrs of sleep easy. Now? Wife, children, bills, expenses, work, health and getting older. Your interests also expand to other things. I have to dedicate much more of my brain pan to other subjects. World of Warcraft new Xpac "officially" just dropped today. I picked up the epic edition early last week, so I've been playing for the last 3-4 days early access. It has all my focus atm. Even Fallout 76 is on the shelf for now 🙂

I can absolutely guarantee you would not like an X3D chip as you're really not into gaming hardcore and want a CPU to baseline perform at its best unhindered or asymmetrical in operations (IE Intel 12th+, AMD X3D or even to an extent dual CCD design). If I wasn't into gaming, I would have also just picked up a 7950X, 9950X or 1X900K Intel chip and called it a wrap. His argument was around gaming, the reasons the 7800X3D was only a good choice for gaming in the face of AMD's other offerings and also reiterating how his tuned 9950X (which he is returning) is close to the 7800X3D and if given a choice, he would select the 9950X over the 7800X3D. My counter is you wait for the 9950X3D and get the best of both worlds in that scenario like I do now. In the same vein, I guess the same argument could be made about Intel too in regards to how close it can get when properly tuned. After tuning up that 13900KS vs the 7950X3D, I was absolutely fine with either platform for gaming. They were really close at the time. X3D still had a few bumps in the road then and my 13900KS was tested at 5.6 all core I think and no APO. This next round of testing is 14900KS at 5.9 all core and APO vs. binned CCD of the 7950X3D in WoW. I suspect Intel is actually going to win, but we will see. There are many architectural uplifts in AMDs new design but they just don't reflect as much now in gaming. As always, maturity/driver updates/agesa updates (the bane of AMD ownership) will only continue to improve and enhance their CPU performance. Unless Intel brings the high heat (which they might), it will either be the 9950X3D or I will end up skipping both till next gen. What has been documented are their superior random I/O and noted gains in just about every D2D scenario even if small so the worst case scenario is an improved overall user experience. Best case is maybe a dent in some of that chunk but that's asking a lot when they can't even touch DDR4 speeds let along GDDR6X. I think the end game goal of Microsoft's Direct Storage is along those lines to improve not only load times but asset transfers both static and dynamic but SSDs need to get it together. 🙂

I'm watching this now (I'm really behind on my YT videos with work, life and WoW Xpac lol). He's crapping all over the 7800X3D, but the "cake and eat it too" answer is the 7950X3D. I'm surprised he likes the 9950X so much. Bodes well for the 9950X3D. I like that it is more responsive to BIOS spelunking but outside of Jufus's standard, "I found out all these tweaks, but I won't say what they are but come to my discord and pay for it," BS. Here is te he "magic" I expect to see: Basically, he's going to turn off the weaker CCD eliminating any and all cross CCD latency/issues along with scheduler issues (since the CPU is new, we get to do the whole 7950/7900 song and dance again) and run the tuned binned CCD and tuned memory and declare he's created some super magic....the end. Welcome to the 7950x/7950x3D circa one year ago Jufes. He's apparently new to AMD's dual CCD binning strategy which is kinda, sorta an Intel approach (P cores are greased lightning, E cores not so much but for multithreaded that is the magic). You get one CCD that is binned magic then a so so CCD. This has been around since the 5950x. The weaker core was a deal breaker for him. He wanted two binned/magical CCDs. I mean I don't blame him on that one. For $650, I would expect both my CCDs to be equally binned 🙂 In the end, he opts to return it he's so butt hurt over that one weaker CCD. He then says if you have a choice between the 9950x and the 7800x3d and you're an enthusiast, you pick the 9950x. No, you wait and pick the 9950x3d. Overall, he loves the new architecture but that second CCD is the deal breaker. I'm very much looking forward to the 9950X3D.....then again I'm also looking forward to 15th gen too. 🙂 "I'm not revealing how to tune the 9950x except to my GOD (discord tier) supporters" ....GTFOH with that BS. Latency of even Optane is nowhere near on the level of DDR5 or VRAM but go ahead and give it a try.......it can only help. If the pricing was a bit better, I'd give one a spin for testing. 🙂

Refer back to my post about SSD streaming. This is the issue and I am not sure even one of those drives would alleviate the issue in totality. It may help in windows where it is right on the edge but for larger transfer/load scenarios? No.

Very common to newer games with insane asset sizes. Less common to older games on newer hardware but it was always an issue. Best experienced when a game has a speedy travel mechanism that streaming assets can't keep up with and you get a nice "chunk" as they load in unseamlessly. Not much they can do. Even the world's best SSDs can't help....yet. The dream goal is to seamlessly stream assets from SSD->Vram. We may in the future get to a point where we can sacrifice fidelity for fluidity if at all. @tps3443 in this scenario, the way games are designed, even 24GB of Vram won't fix the issue as assets are fixed to various sizes and scale down based on Vram available. Usually, if you turn down resolution/detail level, you can avoid it sometimes as the assets can pass off or stream easier. WoW has long suffered from this with its engine re-design (more of an overhaul) 5-6 years ago. Recently it has really come to light with dragonriding which allows burst travel almost 3x faster than the fastest normal flying. Depending on terrain and position, you can trigger this "chunk" and watch your fps drop in half for a split second at repeatable locations in the game. If you drop your resolution from 4k to 1080 and/or details to med-low, it magically gets better or flat out goes away. Back in the day, we called this "look ahead streaming" "dynamic draw fill" and other nifty terms to describe the process. It is also why many games offer "view distance" options to not only take a load off your hardware but to minimize asset loading and make it more manageable. @D2ultima "Traversal Stutter" I like that! 🙂

Hey @Etern4l! Did your 13900k used to run fine at auto but now won't pass those same tests? Did you change BIOSes? Does it fail on 0x129 using the Intel Enforced Limits? Usually for a degraded CPU downclocking and a positive offset are required. The fact it responds well to an undervolt is encouraging it may be ok or the degradation is minimal. Delidding a CPU and not using LM really defeats the purpose of replacing the stock sTIM especially with the stock lid as there is usually no absorption/hardening (3rd party copper top can be a different story).

Wukong on a CL. 5.9/4.5 Vcore load up to 1.43 seems a bit high ? I'll have to go back in and re-check my profiles and see because 1.43 under load auto? Fixed?

Funny, I came away with the same conclusion. 🙂 "Oh, here's something for @tps3443 to aspire to" and "Yeah, I'm good with the benchmark" Don't do it! You know you'll regret it! But if you DO do it, make sure to post all the results. 🤣 True on the 4090. I am sure you could hit that on mine no problem seeing as it does 3120+ on stock Vbios and stock AIO cooling. I have no idea where it would go blocked let alone chilled lol. I know you have to be excited about this bro! Once we downsized, we sold our monster sized house and moved into a Double Wide, costs dropped by insane levels across the board. 15 years later, my lady now keeps sending me listings for "smaller houses...not as giant sized." She wants the privacy of a house and land around it again. Looking forward to the finished place. You DID make sure it has a dedicated computer/office room for you?

Here you go @tps3443. System gaming stats to shoot for! 4090 - 3150mhz 14900KS - 64x / 49x (SP111 P126 / E81) DDR5 8800 CL38

This is what? 10 years now since the NBR forums? I realized X amount of years ago that you buy Intel/Nvidia hardware day one or close to it and give it a really competent set of early testing that tends to stick and align with my approach to hardware so I always trust it and it has yet to be wrong.... .....why fix what isn't broke? 🤣 So yeah....I'll be on the lookout for your results. 😜

Ditto..... If I wasn't into gaming and I was new to computers, 9950X makes sense. I would pick it over 14th gen. But right now, the smart move is to wait for 15th gen and X3D variants.

I'll wait for day 1 @Talon results to see where I'm going.... 🤣 BTW, saw the thread for the SP103 over yonder....yikes that's going to be a poo poo storm and then some. JayZ on how to check for degraded chips.....

Yeah, I tested it on my 14900KS setup and it compiled just fine with my original profiles. Wukan Benchmark just hit differently as noted by many here and elsewhere. I also think there is a wide crossover for software issues and hardware issues and the easy out is to blame Intel atm as we see below: The fact it reaches 100% shows it most likely isn't a shaders compiling issue but the problem lies elsewhere. Sometimes people confuse buggy software with hardware issues. This is true for Intel and AMD platforms.