electrosoft

Basically this. I'm still riding my original 12900k plus another to play around with from a destroyed system I received (PSU, motherboard, storage and memory were fried from a surge. 3080ti GPU was thankfully saved. CPU survived) and the one in my NH55. I skipped 13900k as for my needs it just didn't offer enough to upgrade but I will probably pick up one of the last RPL refreshes in the fall assuming it is still on Socket 1700 if it can offer a bigger uplift on the P-cores overall. I suspect the IMC will be better too. Or the 7800X3D drops next month and crushes in WoW and FO76 where the 12900k even locked at 5.3 P-cores only is holding back my 4090 even on this 43" 4k Samsung. There's a good chance I will pick up a 7800X3D and motherboard to give it a whirl. I still have these heat sinked DDR5 M-die sticks sitting in my drawer twiddling their thumbs...

LOL, only EVGA 1300w PSU I ever had arrived open box DOA from Amazon and went right back. 🙂 I use the original P2 1600w that shipped with my KPE 3090TI. I kept that when I sold it. It now powers my Suprim 4090 and is quiet as a church mouse under load.

The benefit will be small and you and I are speaking the same language. 🙂

lol, I didn't know if you ordered one or not since it wasn't delidded! 🤣 If you don't need it I'll definitely take it off your hands and cancel my order. I'll send you a PM.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. I've been using forums since back in the BBS days (Think 1980s) and acting and behaving in a certain way is required to keep a civilized discourse flowing across all subjects. In the end, these are private forums being offered for free by @Reciever to keep alive the NBR spirit and beyond. It really is a, "If you don't like it, don't use it," approach on the Internet. Many users there (and across every forum I've ever used) have received warnings and many were banned for various infractions. Why am I and most others able to use various forums and go our entire existence never having recieved (pun intended) so much as a warning while others seem to continually be warned, suspended and banned? Why is that? Just something to chew on.

Boiled down, a larger IHS or even cold plate must also have a dissipation rate that can take advantage of the increased size else it will just eventually saturate and you end up almost with the efficacy of the smaller IHS and/or cold plate. Of course the idea is to make sure you primarily have proper coverage of the surface needing heat dissipation in the first place (Looking at you Arctic and 13th gen). I have a collection of Rockitcool delidders from 6th through 10th gen (they skipped 11th for several reasons) and they all worked great. I tend to think when I see issues or problems with end users using them it ends up being a problem with their usage and not the actual device itself. Almost every time I check they did something wrong. The one upside of the newer copper Rockitcool IHS for my use is it is slightly taller than the stock Intel IHS for better laptop pairing pressure (if needed) down the road. I have a lot of tinkering ideas planned for this NH55 to extract as much performance as possible from 12900k in it and remove thermals as the main issue. I'm not sure if this was a conscientious design decision (Compensate for width with height for mass equalization) or just a byproduct of the design itself. Outside of that, with my former Silicon Lottery 10900k and LTX 10900k, I actually found I got equal or better results from just using the stock IHS in my X170SM-G and desktop with pairing pressure being a non issue in both scenarios since my original X170SM-G from ZtecPC had all types of mods done to it to allow it to really clamp down on the CPU. My replacement one lacked all the mods (along with my own done) and the difference is immediate and noticeable. If I had held onto it, I was going to slowly re-create the wheel to implement all of them again. The upside was everything inside was fresh and brand new.

Yeah my G18 is already boxed up for return. I've worked with it for a few weeks now and it isn't even a build quality issue but lack of tuning and temps shooting to 100c while gaming. I waited for the 307 BIOS to drop which fixes the undervolt issue (BIOS limit is 0.080 but for some reason would cap at 0.030) and even with a 0.080 max UV it is still shooting to 100c gaming even in something not even CPU taxing like Fallout 76. Same issue with the MSI GL66 Pulse (12700h). If I can't tune it after maximizing physical cooling to keep it from cooking (and fans running at max) it has to go. Other issue is the display has monstrous bleed all over especially along the bottom on the 2560x1600 panel. It is limited to 4800 memory. Even when testing 5600 or 4800 memory with faster timings it simply won't boot. Just blank screens. Coil whine is pretty monstrous. GPU pegs to 87c (max) when gaming even with zero OC. Tiny barrel connector screams solder break. 1yr warranty. And a few other issues. Did a couple of M18 test configs on the Dell site and you can beat the price easy with the 15% discount. I will wait till you all get your units in to see if I want to pick one up. Somehow I've managed to sell off ALL my laptops except the NH55 which I plan on keeping for quite some time as a fun pet project.

I ordered the Rockitcool kit so it should be here hopefully this week. I need to finish testing and binning a few 12th gens for the NH55 laptop and desktop. Price went up I see. Basically it is $64.99 now as the "$43.99" one is perpetually out of stock. I just went ahead and splurged on the one with the Copper IHS to play around.

lol, that's why I gave the shipping specs to avoid the, "Can u do $650 SHIPPED?" No, I can't do $650 shipped on a $1300-$1500 display. Depending on location, shipping is less than $85 up to a monstrous amount. I've already had several people message me on eBay, "How about shipped to Montana? Cali? Texas?" so far..... 🙂 But FedEx Ground/Home delivery seems to not be that much especially through eBay since they have a deal with them for some seriously competitive rates. It would actually probably (even with tax) be cheaper to buy and ship through them than direct because of their good S&H rates. For example, shipped to you would be ~$80.00 for FedEx Home on eBay but over $150+ outside of it.

BAH! My G18 rules you all.... ....till I return it next week. 🙂

Mobile 3060 vs Mobile 4060 @ryan Looks like 3060 vs 4060 is a decent upgrade. 4070 vs 3070ti still seems like it isn't worth it. 4080 vs 3080ti is definitely worth it 4090 vs 3080ti is absurdly worth it

Price: $$$SOLD$$$ Condition: Very good Warranty: Yes Reason for sale: Switched to a Samsung 4k / the Spring ultimate downsize continues Payment: PayPal, local pick up Item location: Vineland, NJ (08360) Shipping: FedEx, USPS or UPS. Your dime, your choice basically. International shipping: Not on this monster Handling time: 3 days Feedback: eBay: https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/electrosoft Specification: Monster wide gaming behemoth. I was using this for quite some time but eventually switched back to a Samsung Odyssey NEO G7 display so this one has to go. Ships in big dull LG original box with all original accessories. It's also on eBay🙂 which may work out better for you. While you will pay taxes, eBay has much better S&H rates than direct for most and they have a discount rate setup for FedEx Home especially cutting delivery fees by over $100 in many instances. If you are unsure what works best for you, visit the various carrier pages and plug in the shipping stats from above to get an idea of how much S&H will cost to you or if you have your own billable account, that can potentially work too.

Only one way to find out. 🙂 Starting to realize my MSI 3120 boost and 2835 out the box is an upper tier chip though which is nice. In the end, they all game awesomely even ones that barely boost to 2700. They are monster cards. Even +1600 mem is on the right side of the bell curve.

Best Buy has had Asus Strix 4090 in stock for over a day now (If you wanted to bang your head against the wall one more time @Mr. Fox 🙂 ) https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-overclock-24gb-gddr6x-pci-express-4-0-strix-graphics-card-black/6524435.p?skuId=6524435

It is a fine art separating his rants and self aggrandizing from valid information. I like how he thinks his 23k sub channel is all that important as he continues to get followers to donate to buy equipment for him to test (which he then keeps or sells) along with charging $500 consults and patting himself on the back and anointing himself some enlightened techie. What I DO like is his approach to hardware testing is more like my approach so I like those results pushing systems farther and seeing what they can produce and while rambling sometimes into almost tinfoil hat conspiracy land, he does manage to land the occasional valid point. And I do agree with him the 7950X3D is a steaming pile overall with the reliance on scheduler and detecting mess as is but it does have its use cases. For example, if I want top notch gaming but I also need a 16/32 CPU for multi-threaded work quite honestly I would just go into the BIOS and turn off the non 3D CCD and game away then just turn it back on when finished. I would then set up two profiles fine tuned for both with a dialed in OC and switch between them as needed. That would take all of 5 minutes to do and alleviate all the scheduler BS headaches.

I think the supply issue @Rage Set is referring to is from Nvidia production capacity which is more than adequate. It isn't as if they are constrained and pumping out as many chips as they can sell. Instead, they have more than enough production capacity and they are purposely holding back supply to control demand fulfillment and keep prices where they want instead of saturating the shelves and product just sits. Somewhere in there the truth lies about true demand along with how much supply Nvidia actually has but the end goal is to keep prices elevated and product moving at a calculated rate. And yes, AMD was a swing and a miss this time around on the high end to the point Nvidia still doesn't feel the need to lower the price of even the 4080 to match the 7900xtx for competitive reasons.

For the few who reached out to me on eBay (and anyone else who sees this post, clicks the KM link, sees it is sold then messages me), the X170KM-G has now been sold to @DreDre2022 so both my SM and KM are sold, thanks!

MSI holding it down properly right up there with the HOF. I'm very happy with my Liquid X....even moreso after trying another one that was beyond poor and returning that one to Best Buy. 2835mhz out of the box and 3120mhz for gaming and benching? +1600 on the memory? No coil whine? Fantastic temps? Works for me. I can't begin to convey how much the 4080 is a non-starter for me but it IS a good card just priced outlandishly. If it came in even at $999.99 it would be a viable option in many scenarios. I don't think Nvidia wants to get rid of AIBs but they also have no problems competing directly with them either. AIBs will always offer options and looks Nvidia will not and there are buyers out there that shop on name brand and aesthetics too not just raw performance or bang:buck. Nvidia can't even keep up with demand for their own 4090FE.

I use demo/trials of just about everything. I'm just too darn cheap to unhinge the wallet. For example, I ran the demo of 3Dmark forever until they ran a 1.99 special one time to unlock everything a few years ago. 🙂

I know they have switched to sending out cheaper, single rank, poor secondary timing sticks now mostly vs their original god tier PnP sticks for DDR4, but I took a chance and picked up a set of OLOY sticks and scored a set of their original monsters: DDR4 3200 SODIMMS Testing OLOY 2x16GB sticks vs the former king of PnP sticks Kingston Impact 2x16GB sticks in an NH55: OLOY: IMPACT:

How to make the 7800X3D look as best as possible against a 13900k..... "What may be important to note is that both the 7800X3D and 13900K systems were equipped with the same DDR5-6000 memory kit." /facepalm

Does it do this too on an external display?

Ugh Crocs 2.0 🙂 Personally, one of my favorite things of this thread (amongst many) is you benching old GPUs on new hardware and seeing it pushed to their max.

I tried giving the unlocking BIOS feature a run provided by @ViktorV and while everything unlocked everything I do doesn't change anything for the memory timings. I tried XMP and custom XMP changes and nothing adjusts. I'm wondering if this BOXX BIOS (1.07.02) is suffering from the XMG plague and is incompatible with acknowledging the unlocking changes. What is the best, known BIOS to use with the KM to use with the KM to run the unlocker that is known to work? I'll give that one a try.

The actual design of the PCB of the Asrock is the best of all the 6900/6950xt cards. Over-engineered past what was really needed actually for most use cases (See: Suprim vs Trio or bottom barrel Gigabyte 4090). If Gigabyte slaps a higher boost on their 4090 vs a Suprim or HOF that doesn't mean its better. That is just marketing and sales tactics. Same applies here for XFX. They build some tank like cards but the actual PCB design is inferior to the Asrock. Even if it boosts 300mhz+ higher (exaggerating) the design still is inferior on a hardware level. Does that mean anything in the end? Maybe when pushed to the absolute extremes but it is what it is.