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If someone is looking for a below retail priced 13900KS, the seller over on OCN has one left in his lot for sale an SP 107 for $620USD

Sounds about right for me mishearing 😅 as I do end up working and watching at the same time and end up backing up parts of YT videos numerous times as my mind focuses on the task at hand. The more complex the task at hand the more I tune out (IE, general surfing = follow accurately, Wordle/Quordle/Sudoku/etc.. = I follow fairly accurately, Working on hardware = 50/50, Xcode/VS = not so much, wife in my ear = not at all...automatic rewind ). I didn't know he upgraded to the X3D but his problems seem to persist with his Crosshair (along with him souring on Asus in general). I'm with you on just moving drives from one system to the next. I have my drives and externals set up so a re-install is pretty straight forward. I even do it on my main rigs on what seems to be a monthly basis it's so streamlined.

Yeah if you listen he says he's going to just take his NVMe drives out of his current AM5 rig and drop them in and run this rig. That's JaySpeak for, "I'm giving up on AMD" 😉 He's had issues and problems with his 7950x build for awhile now.

It really does feel like the writing is on the wall for EVGA these days with chronic out of stock on just about anything new and lots of b-stock and refurb blow outs. Hopefully not, but here is a last hurrah to everything awesome about EVGA:

Ditto. I plan on picking up a 8000+ set of sticks. I figure if it turns out to be a nothing burger this generation of AMD processors (but AMD setting the memory infrastructure for future CPU releases) I can just swap them into my MSI Z790i where I can push them to 8000+. 7900xtx is a good GPU for its price:performance. It does seem to scale better than Nvidia performance wise when overclocked and an overall worthy 4080 competitor for raw performance.

Is that a new pair of crocs or do you just polish them daily? 😁

What happened to your 6600 kit? I agree, I'm definitely stoked to get in there and start playing around with faster speeds and see what is what. Only thing with MSI is their BIOSes are almost always in a state of "BETA" I've noticed this over the years. You'll get 2-3 releases BETA then a final, rinse, repeat. We are talking months with BETA versions but at least they release them.

Other factors can be at play especially timings (primary and secondary) along with dual rank to shore up the 1% and .1% lows to even out frame rates along with memory breathing room to help alleviate stuttering.

Interesting GPU news update from Daniel on two fronts: #1. Some preliminary AM5 testing faster DDR5 testing showing no gains 7400 1:2 vs 6200 1:1 (realistically 1:4 vs 1:2) but if it is close to break even at this point that potentially bodes well for faster speeds in the future unless IMC saturation at any ratio means no real gains so you're running memory faster to be running it faster unless the IMC can properly break free and scale in tandem (even if in fractional mode) like Intel does with their 12th+ platforms where 1:2 is consistent regardless of the frequency and truly pushes the IMC (AM5 seems to cap out much less than Intel for true IMC speed). I'm reserving judgement till we see some ~7800-8000 speeds tested properly (and in different scenarios) #2. leaked comparisons of 13900k vs 14th and Arrow Lake showing minimal gains (and I do mean minimal) vs 14th but tangible gains with Arrow Lake. #3. 4060ti 16GB is the hot steaming garbage we always knew it was for that price. #4. 7800/7700 are shaping up to be better than expected

Good stock, OC, OC + SAM comparison of 6950xt, 7900xt, 7900xtx I like Ancient Gameplays channel. He's a good source of all things AMD.

Spot on. Especially for gaming: 6000 series was basically equal with Nvidia at 1080p, 1440p and competitive at 4k with RT off. 7900xtx is a price:performance monster compared to the 4090 especially with RT off for gaming. AMD is still playing a game of catch up but they have made such magnificent inroads on the GPU and especially CPU front these last few generations. I can't see abandoning AM5 for 14th gen this time around especially on a dead socket (albeit I don't think that matters much to us in this group). I've contemplated (again) making my itx rig an all air cooled 7800X3D rig, picking up a 7900xtx and making my desktop Intel though (again) w/ Nvidia. Only thing is I would want to run a Taichi 7900xtx and that thing is a chonker.

I had a feeling but you're fully protected from any scams so why not take a shot? Nothing ventured.... There are those three 13900KS chips for sale over on the OCN forums. That SP111 for $650 is priced properly and a known decent chip with a good MC.

So much for Brian's foray into using the 7900xtx as his main GPU (for now): Reasons:

Absolutely! Nice surprise especially considering with 1:1 we were already maxed out with low tier memory speeds as 9000 is right around the corner with 10k on the horizon. AMD clearly sees bandwidth has its advantages. On the Intel side, there are plenty of benchmarks out there showing as DDR5 continues to gain in frequency it is finally vanquishing the last vestiges of any DDR4 superiority even at 1:1 and superior timings. I can see the same being true for AMD too.

I waited and picked up a used A-die kit which is now priced around that new but I love seeing DDR5 being adopted so rapidly and prices dropping like crazy. And at this rate, by this time next year I can see DDR5 kits around the 10k range.

Doesn't change what I said..... 🙂 What I stated still stands and is sound. 😁 But I am curious will this be massively diminishing returns, bandwidth for the sake of actual throughput or proper async advantages (aka have our cake and eat it too). If we look at Intel, you need ~7400+ 1:2 to match DDR4 4133 1:1 in many scenarios. Acknowledging they are not the same, using the same ratio for AMD we may find ourselves in the same boat *early on* waiting for ~ 10800+ 1:2 to match 6000-6200 1:1. This could be laying the groundwork for next gen DDR5 (See 11th gen Intel 1:1 vs 1:2 mode DDR4). I am glad it was implemented and we can now will have the same choice and platforms to flesh out what works best knowing DDR5 will eventually take over (if it hasn't already on implementation).

Still stuck around imc / fclk limitations. WIth this variant, you end up with mclk boost from 3000 to 4000 (!). I mean you can run your memory faster though but if it ends up being a 1:2 scenario you will potentially end up still having better results (and overall timings) running it 1:1 like AM4 and DDR4. On the other hand, if this is a truly optimized async setup that's at least interesting. One thing I am curious to see and hopeful for is the noted improvements in 1:1 performance as this version is rumored to bring refinements in that area and maybe more IMCs can be pushed closer to 6400 1:1 than before.

@tps3443 seems to come and go. I suspect life as always. 🙂 Hopefully it's on the up and up and a good deal for that price. I'm generally curious as it says shipped from Amazon (but not sold by) so you would think Amazon would have vetted the product a bit.

When I was lamenting and accepting the fact that the NH55 was the last of the DTRs (and a scaled down one at that with mobile chipset and soldered GPU) and planning my switch to SFF portable computing, I did contemplate a super tiny lunchbox case with an external rad because then there is no airflow compromise. I would have went with as small of an AIO as needed though (240mm or 280mm) not that monster AC LF II 420 🤨 I wanted an all in one unit with wireless KB/M and a >=20" display for fast and easy setup while not being sprawled all over what ever desk/table it ends up being setup upon. Basically, the core challenge was, "could I take this into a bookstore or Starbucks and set it up quickly for use?" Having to remount the AIO, unmount, clean...repeat would grow tiresome quickly too. Looking at the case he used that would make a killer air cooled 7800X3D build out with a 7900xtx at a really good price. It doesn't include the riser cable though. Like @Custom90gt and his N200R, this is like prototyping/phase 1 sff build out exploration. I learned a lot with the N200R and Hyte R3 and what I like and dislike. I'll explore this Cougar ITX case next that was just delivered. Switching to SFF for portable use is exciting and makes mobile builds and tweaking fun again. I suspect over the next few years I will end up with an equal stockpile of SFF parts as desktop parts as I explore other builds and keep trying to make my portable rig(s) smaller and smaller while still packing a true desktop level punch.

I'm old bro. 🙂 I still remember my mom picking it up from the grocery store and reading it as a kid. It was our TMZ back in the day!

I routinely crack up over some of the thumbnails I see for YT videos but it as been proven "shock value" thumbnails pull in extra views. Modern day National Inquirer type cover shots. 🙂

The almost nail in the DDR4 coffin vs DDR5... My last sets of DDR4 was for a few budget boards but with ~7600+ DDR5 there is no scenario where you should be considering DDR4 especially as prices continue to fall.

@Mr. Fox 13900k on sale for $410.99 if you want to return that 13700k Amazon.com: Intel Core i9-13900K (Latest Gen) Gaming Desktop Processor 24 cores (8 P-cores + 16 E-cores) with Integrated Graphics - Unlocked : Electronics Edit: Might be a scam seller, but you can always get a refund if so.

Yeah the Cougar really caught my eye especially the traditional top mount ability for an AIO and the handles and sturdiness. It should be here Thursday. I call it a $67 itch to scratch. That's the Hyte Revolt 3 without the front and side panels on while I run it through its paces before installing the GPU I picked it up w/ PSU for $125 from Amazon when I sent back the N200R.

State of the SFF : I had to abandon the EVGA CLC 280 as the tubes from the top made it so tight in the Hyte R3 with bending the flow was compromised and the system was shooting to 99 and overheating even sitting in the bios. Found out MSI immediately sets all CPU settings back to auto/low when this happens when your system goes past your CPU temp limit set. I had an ID Cooling Frostflow x 280mm AIO $55 special sitting in the closet sealed and it checked enough of the boxes especially not having all types of "breakout" BS like Corsair and NZXT. I wanted to use a Kraken but having to use the CAM software to control everything and all the extra cabling. I wanted a minimal AIO and ID cooling is it. Fans run independently and the pump connects directly to the MB. Tubes are short and pump head is smaller and ergonomic. I swapped out the stock fans for Arctic P12s same as used on the CLC 280. ID runs about 4-6c warmer under CB23 (~80c) full tilt 5.6/4.3 on a $60 bargin bin AIO + Gelid Extreme with compromised air flow with no delid or heroic measures. I'm not doing backflips over this case and having worked with the N200R and now Hyte R3, I am not a fan of AIOs mounting directly over the motherboard in this side fashion. I wish Cool Master offered their N200R Max case with no AIO or PSU in the same price range as the N200R doesn't have space up for an AIO. I did pick up one of these to explore from Cougar. It looks like it checks all the boxes and then some for a portable ITX build. I found a show floor model on eBay for a substantial discount and upgraded to Noctua fans for $42 ($67 w/ shipping) 6700XT arrived early as I was finishing up the test build so I'll pop that in later but now I'm going to shift back to the NH55 to re-dial in the relidded 12900k in there.