electrosoft

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@johnksss is younger and more dashing than Carl. But, Carl looks good for his age.

 

That's a great picture of you two benching it out! 🙂

 

 

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

@Mr. Fox

My new to me ride.

That's who I bought it from.

 

The other one...

 

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

Most definitely a worthy replacement!

Still not ringing any bells...

 

What about now?

 

OMG, I saw the first set of pics and I immediately thought, "Johnksss looks a hell of a lot like Carl Weathers!"

 

🤣

BUMP....

 

I adjusted the total system buy price and config. I need room. Even having sold off 4 laptops I still have 6.

 

I have both my KM and SM listed on eBay as complete systems here for $1599.99/ea

 

KM: https://www.ebay.com/itm/175636232343

SM: https://www.ebay.com/itm/175636386845

5 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

What programs do you all recommend for memory testing? I've never really messed with RAM at all, but @Custom90gtsold me his sticks and I'd like to make sure they have no errors at the speeds I'm using them at now.

 

I use TM5 and Windows Memory Diagnostics. You can throw in old school memtest in there if you like too.

 

 

1 hour ago, 1610ftw said:

If they had a workstation version with more memory and storage slots and a less hideous look I would be very interested.

Even the keyboard with its extra keys is quite nice - always liked that.

 

The screen / resolution combo is the best one for me right now and so are noise levels according to people who have used it.

 

There is a 13980HX / 4060 and a 13650HX / 4050 option which makes the 4060 option interesting for people who just want the top of the line CPU.

 

Edit: Looks like the 13980HX is also paired with the 4050 in the US - wow!

 

I'm glad to see at least Asus breaking away from the forced pairing of top tier CPUs with top tier GPUs. There are many who want the best CPU and only need a mid to lower range GPU for their needs.

 

Overall though the 4070 is disappointing compared to last gen 3070ti. If you want good GPU performance this time around (relatively speaking) it is the 4080 or 4090. They both greatly distance themselves from last gen GPUs. 4080 beats the 3080ti by 25-30% and the 4090 beats it by >50% but is expensive.

 

 

2 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Wait so we can now finally pair a high end CPU with a mid range GPU in a BGA laptop? Could I configure this thing with a 13980HX + RTX 4060?

 

This laptop is impressive, especially considering the price and despite it being a BGA machine. The 13980HX + RTX 4080 model is on Best Buy's website for $2500 and is significantly more powerful than my X170. It also costs less than what I've spent on my X170 in total.

 

Must... resist... urge... to... buy...

 

I see the 4070 version is $1999.99 direct from Asus available now.

 

4050 and 4060 models here but no pricing/availability specs yet but if the 4070 is $2k maybe $1800 for the 4060 and 1700 for the 4050?

 

Wonderful time in the market atm since AMD is bringing the heat with their 7000 series of mobile processors Intel is going full tilt at better pricing this time around.

 

The fact Asus is going to offer all the perks of their 18" Strix with consumer choice of GPU all the way down to the 4050 is pretty righteous.

 

 

And this is why Intel didn't hold back with top end 13th gen mobile processors this time around at even better pricing. AMD bringing the heat!

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-strikes-back-Ryzen-9-7945HX-beats-Intel-Core-i9-13980HX-despite-much-lower-power-consumption.698349.0.html

 

 

 

 

Limiting it to 120w, 13980HX = ~28333, 7945HX = 34521 still.

 

Note how for a brief moment the Apple M1/M2 chip was perceived as so good and now it is just getting destroyed in general compute tasks.

 

 

Asus has brought a full on 18" Ada powered, Raptor Lake drive laptop this time around for 2023.

 

They are available in all Nvidia flavors from the 4050 up to the 4090 allowing users to determine their price range based on GPU/Mem/SSD with all models using Intel's top of the line i9-13980HX Raptor Lake based CPU with all other stats staying the same.

 

Information, drivers and support

 

How it looks:

 

First impressions were poor as the stock install kept freezing and wouldn't allow any updates (Nvidia drivers) or changes. The real culprit is Armory Crate as always. After picking through the registry and services I just decided to give it a clean install. Make sure you're running BIOS G306 or later. Do yourself a service and enable BIOS control vs Amory Crate control  in the BIOS and make your adjustments there. The only downside of not running Armory Crate is you get the default rainbow keyboard pattern but it is more than worth the trade off as you can undervolt and more right in the BIOS if needed.

 

Fan noise under load is some of the best I've encountered. Definitely not quiet, but compared to my old MSI and Clevo's it is more than acceptable.

 

There have been numerous reports of GPU coil whine and I can confirm it is there but nothing like a desktop GPU can produce (or my model happens to have a very low amount).

 

Display is very nice but there is a lot of glow and bloom along the bottom. No bad/dead pixels so that's always nice.

 

Keyboard is great and well spaced.

 

I'm so used to Clevo X170SM/KM models that the G18 feels very light.

 

Performance of the 4080 is great along with the 13980HX. It basically performs on par if not slightly better than my Desktop Strix 3080 + 12900k.

 

Temps were good especially for multi as 11th, 12th and 13th still love to push single core to the sky at the cost of bouncing off of 100. I'll end up slowly working an undervolt in to see where I can adjust that while keeping Multi high as the unit topped out at 86c all stock running CB multi and sustained 120w no problem the entire run.

 

Memory timings are as atrocious as expected with DDR5-4800 memory. It will be interesting to see how far it can go with 5600+ memory as they enter the market.

 

Stock runs.....

 

CB23 (not pictured, but single run = 2105).

 

 

Timespy:

 

 

AIDA64:

 

I saw this the other day and immediately thought of the episode with Howard and Raj too! 😁

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I’m definitely with you in that regard. But there’s nothing we can really do. It’d be great if we could buy modern high end MXM laptops again. 

 

In my dream scenario MXM continued on and true DTRs with desktop level components had at least 1-2 models across 2-3 brands year in and year out but we are the minority and that isn't what actual consumers want or need for their day to day needs or desires. 😞

 

 

So far so good. No dead pixels so that's a plus. Absolutely dead quiet during setup and updates. Let's see when I bring the stress and heat later....

 

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

Doesn’t matter. Older “normal” laptops can do what they are meant to do. Portable usage and some gaming on the go. I don’t see the need or pleasure spending +3000$ on modern laptops. I wish I could find an cheap X170 here home. But people are happy with them and use it the whole lifespan. Often 5 years +. Maybe I find one within 2 years to supplement my other old laptops :) A hell lot better than buy a thin 500$ Jokebook. And much more fun. 

 

Seeing the lifespan you extracted from your P870DM-G I have no doubt brother. 🙂

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I know, it’s really silly. That MSI GT77 Titan runs crazy cool too, it really is a beast either way. I watched several reviewers gaming on one and it seemed to hover around 58-68C on the GPU with whatever OEM thermal paste they have applied on it. 
 

Samsung also has some new memory recently out. It is not GDDR6X, but it is just normal GDDR6 modules that are actually 24gbps rated, these are downclocked to lower speeds. That would be just nuts to throw those in a laptop LOL. (if they are not already on board) 
 

Honestly the factory IC’s on the 4090 mobile may surprise people. I have not found anyone who has really tried to push them to the max. It’s just a shame the unit is capped to 175 watts, and with pushing that memory OC we are really taking away from that power envelope, it definitely has the cooling over head to handle 200 or maybe even 215 watts at the higher end of temps. 
 

It would be nice to be able to shunt mod this GPU or trick its power consumption some how. Or better yet, maybe one of these other manufacturers will release a higher power 4090 that we could flash over too. 

 

That would make for a great write up and posts actually. Hope you do order it and light up the MSI laptop section with some quality, indepth posts.

 

I've just accepted market forces have spoken and BGA is basically it. The NH55 was the last, partial hurrah for a hybrid DTR (everything interchangeable except the GPU). Alienware, then MSI and finally even Clevo have fully left the "desktop hardware in a laptop" market. It's a sad, sad day but it is what it is.

 

There was a time where it was predominantly all big and thick laptops with a small bit of lighter and thinner laptops but as time passed the market spoke and we progressed to where we are now. Bean counters only respond to what sells better and material costs overall to maximize profits. The point is the vast majority do not want to lug around monster sized laptops with poor battery life. They want light, battery efficient laptops first and foremost and raw power second.

 

We are now officially to a point where those last gen (and older) true DTRs just can't keep up with this new BGA  hardware on any level. 😞

 

Based on reviews, it looks like you could get the GT77 4090 in the same playing field as your stock 3090 desktop so you would have a comparable mobile workstation of serious power. The leap between last gen laptop 3080ti and this gen 4090 is massive yielding an overall gain of 50%+ across 1440p and 4k and 40%+ at 1080p. Even the mobile 4080 crushes the 3080ti by 25-30%.

 

 

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Just watched a bit of the GN video review. LOL, the CPU has asymmetric design (8 cores have quicker access to the L3 cache but are slower, 8 cores are faster, but slower access to the 3D cache), therefore requires special scheduler (if not native support) to try and optimise the hybrid architecture. It's highly likely that the initial test results have yielded subpar performance because of to this. Apparently AMD are "working with Microsoft" on addressing the issue. That will most likely mean "Windows 11 only". I'm sure bro @Raiderman will be most impressed.

 

Additionally, according to a chart from that PCMag review, 13900KS is slower than 13900K, so I guess they don't run sufficiently efficient cooling during their tests to leverage those extra hot CPUs.

 

7900X3D wasn't even on my radar. I'll be waiting for the 7800X3D to see some better priced final results and not have to worry about scheduler issues.

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I would take the Z790 Apex over the Z790 Dark. If you asked me a year ago, my answer probably would have been different, but not anymore. The community support and guides and articles on the Apex are pretty nice as well.

Re-sale value is also really really good on the Asus enthusiast motherboards (It’s through the roof actually). I use to really like the EVGA motherboards but not as much nowadays. They do take forever and a day to release a product, and when they do it’s going to take them a while to address a potential bios issue, then in 12 months it is worth a fraction lol. 

 

I like them both but I'm leaning towards the Apex a bit in that match up too. Both are priced out of my acceptable motherboard wheelhouse either way.

 

31 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I use Windows 11 with really good results on my daily work PC. It also benches okay performance wise and the gaming performance is actually really good. The OS just works for me. I know it’s not as fast as some older stripped OS. But, new game requirements have forced us to move on. So there is little we can do sometimes (Especially if you want to play certain titles that force you to be on latest WIN10/11 builds. If you throw some fast hardware at Windows 11 it’s gonna perform great. 
 

One more thing, my Windows 11 OS does seem to be really resilient against memory overclocking and crashing/BSOD’s. It has not broken one time.

 

I have most stuff disabled. Like core isolation, Cortana, the MS office items, and some other things I am forgetting. And it runs really well for me. 
 

I wish Microsoft would release a new operating system. Windows 11 BME “Benchmark Edition” an OS with no fluff and only peak performance. And you can enable different levels. “Bare minimum services mode” for benching high numbers and or “Daily performance mode” all required/important items work so you can game or work with important things like sound and networking Lol.

 

Last time I clung to an OS was Windows XP. After that, I kinda just go with the flow and install the new on its own partition and go back and forth till I am ready to make the switch.

 

Windows 11 isn't bad at its core. What is bad is Microsoft using it as a means to data mine and push all types of services I don't want. There is no long term value in just selling the OS and that's that. Now it is a continual dynamic money making entity to the detriment of the end user. Windows 11 just extends that model moreso than Windows 10. But at it's core? I use it on multiple machines and it gets it done. If M$ wants to make me jump through hoops to strip away as many unneeded services as possible, challenge accepted each and every time.

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Asus-sponsored? 😉

 

lol, I like how he thinks he has some god like knowledge of memory tuning and system optimizations that no one else has......

 

He definitely craps all over EVGA though. 🙂

 

 

Apex Z790 vs Kingpin Z790:

 

 

On 2/15/2023 at 2:10 PM, srs2236 said:

Got new best results in RAM OC. I don't think I can possibly push my sticks more. Now just need to get thermals under control. Or find better binned sticks in general.

 

Those are fantastic tuning results right along the lines of my P870TM1 w/ Corsair 3800 sticks that topped out at 3466 (motherboard limitations). nice!

 

 

2 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Put the 2080 Super in my P870 and no POST at all. The laptop would try to turn on but failed every time. There's no power going to the card as the core and VRAM don't get warm. I oughtta probe this thing a bit more and see if I can find something weird.

Here's two videos: (I've never uploaded to Youtube and don't know why the top video came out as a short and I'm too lazy to fix it.)

 

 

That is how it progressed on my X170SM-G. It went from:

 

Working (( was in the middle of setting it up for travel not even gaming or anything)

Hard blink red dots Code 43

No Post

No Post with a series of blinking yellow lights on the power on LED indicating GPU failure

Popped in a Clevo 1060 I had and it booted up no problem

Put 2080 S back in and step 4 again

 

When ZtecPC got it after sourcing a brand new 2080 Super it wouldn't post at all even with the new 2080 Super no matter what they did so they swapped in a brand new motherboard and heatsink and it worked perfect after that.

 

The blessing was I was able to get rid of all that K5 Pro mess and the heatsink with the LM soak damage from the original purchase config and go back to a solid 2080 Super + Motherboard and stock thermal pads right from the factory brand new.

 

 

53 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

I have been considering the Asus Scar laptop heavily actually!! It’s a great price too! However, I am really wanting a Mini LED display, I hate backlight bleed from an IPS display, something that is non existent on a Mini LED, it gives that MacBook looking display feel, and makes the machines feel high quality, which is nice after spending thousands of dollars. After owning (2) very high end gaming laptops the thing I hated the most of IPS bleed and glowing corners (My MacBook Air M1 doesn’t have this, it feels quality) lol. The 16” Scar has this Mini LED option, and the 17.3” MSI GT77 Titan too. But $4,799 for a laptop is an OBSURD amount of money for a BGA Book with a massive ACE hanging off the back of it. I mean that GT77 Titan girl has some serious back on her LOL.  Kinda like that song “Body like a backroad” well in this case, the MSI Titan has a “Body like a Backhoe”

 

The MSI really has me torn. I feel like it’s the best option. But that price! I’d be buying it from Micro center, so if I didn’t absolutely love it I could return it. 
 

@johnksss does Microcenter offer that warranty on laptops too? So I could technically use it for 1 year, return it and get a gift card for $4,799 towards next gen model? 🙃

 

Common sense has to kick in at a certain point for laptops these days. Titan is a beast but with the Strix you're getting 100% its CPU, 80% of its GPU and an 18" screen for less than half the price along with a 2-SODIMM design that will give it a better chance of running higher frequency memory now and down the road.  I'm more interested in the 18" display and 13980HX more than anything else. The 4080 is a nice uplift from the 3070/3070ti/2080Super laptops I have on hand atm.

 

IPS glow doesn't bother me at all but having used mini LEDs and OLEDs before you can definitely notice those inky blacks and per pixel lighting on OLED or zone control with mLED.

 

The Titan IS the best option but at a monster price.

 

You could get a Desktop 4090 AND a Strix / Eluk for the same or less than the cost of a Titan to put it in perspective. 🙂

 

 

 

 

 

BUMP....

 

Barebones is for sale on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/175627221686

 

Once the Barebones sells, I'll be listing the GPU next then sort out the CPU as I've had a few people interested in it both here and messaging me via eBay.

 

Of course you can get the Barebones cheaper here.

 

PM if interested in individual components or all together.

 

 

48 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Hey everyone, does HID Evolution still offer discounts to members on here? 
 

I’m looking at a custom MSI GT77 with the 13980HX, and RTX4090. Mini LED display 17.3” display. 
 

They offer an option with 128GB DDR5 5600Mhz 😁

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

You should easily be able to run 5600 with 64GB of ram on a desktop. That seems crazy right?
 

Man I can push 32GB to 8,000 C36 on a MSI Z690 motherboard 😂. All with 1.194V SA, 1.4V CPU IMC, and 1.4V TX. 
 

Honestly, I really have no need for 64GB or 128GB ram. I’m all for saving money. I just found a similarly equipped machine at Microcenter for $4,699.99. I would swap the ram for 2x16GB 5600 SODIMMS, and just force the 5600 speeds like others are doing. Or better yet, LEAVE IT BE. And just manually set the fastest speeds it can run. 
 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/662550/msi-titan-gt77hx-13vi-028us-173-gaming-laptop-computer-black

 

 

^ This is not a bad price at all. I know it’s still a crazy expensive laptop, but it is a fast machine for sure.

 

 

If you're wanting to play around with 4000 series and HX processors, MSI Titans are stupidly expensive but as close to true DTR as you will get for BGA laptops.

 

For myself, I would go for this:

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-18-intel-core-i9-13980hx-16gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-v12g-graphics-1tb-ssd-eclipse-gray/6531333.p?skuId=6531333

 

I have one of these arriving Tuesday.

 

Step down in GPU, same CPU less than half the price and hand pick your memory.

 

I will say I do like that MSI uses a direct variant of their desktop BIOS on their laptops though.

 

 

 

45 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

EVGA is the only company that made 2 slot MB's, right? I cant remember ever seeing anything else.

 

Back in the day, I had a socket and slot 1 Mobo for the CPU...lol

 

Asus, Gigabyte and MSI also make 2 slot MBs now for the Z690 and Z790 chipsets.

 

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

See my comment below.

This doesn't cover everything bro Fox. This... Apply them all. None of the AIC partners put much work into binning or be sure they use the best parts for their flagship/enthusiast products. If they did.... You would never see this below from their enthusiast product. And they all do the same thing... Put all works into the estetic and design. Make a very good cooler can hide away the worst silicon quality. 

 

Testing notes & interpretation for Gaming X Trio

 

The cheaper Gaming X Trio 4090 cards use 18+4-phase design. The new modern with more expensive High end Phase/VRM design for the enhusiasts products have no longer a special value outside offering good longevity. This only add more costs who normally isn't needed with the power gimped and castrated voltage/TGP design from Nvidia or AMD. I'm sure 18+4-phase design would work well with the higher TGP limits as the flagship models if the cooling is adequate.

 

You go the opposite route of the gamer-kids bro Etern. Maybe you are starting to get old and dusty?😎

 

 

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hopefully they will give me a refund and I can either buy nothing or just get the cheapest 4090 available. Based on most of the information available, the standard $1500-1600 4090 Zotac, MSI Trio and PNY options are so close in performance to the most expensive options available, and maximum overclock limits are within such a small margin that it makes no sense to spend more for something better that isn't actually better. I doubt the chilled water cooling would change anything for the better on the memory. The Strix actually runs cooler on the memory than the Liquid X did. (The Liquid X AIO cooling is only useful on the core. The memory and hotspot temps were higher due to the flawed AIO design. This is also true of memory temperatures on other GPUs that use an AIO due to flawed AIO design in general, not an MSI flaw.)

 

The only likely benefit of the chilled water would be higher boost clock due to lower core temperature.

 

Edit: Looks like poor memory overclocking is an inherent shortcoming for the Strix 4090. I don't know if it is a coincidence or a design flaw on the part of ASUS. 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-strix-oc/41.html

 

 

It is literally a crap shoot on the memory and GPU. No company it seems truly bins for higher quality samples on either.

 

What you CAN control is the PCB design they are placed upon and the cooling included (which means nothing if you're going to block it).

 

You literally have to bin cards like you bin GPUs and that's sad.

 

Wish a company would properly bin GPUs and offer the top tier chips in cards as guaranteeing certain performance parameters.

 

Didn't @Talon get a  Strix 4090 that could hit +2000 on the mem?

 

 

Like razor said, extract old bios via chip programmer and flash it to the new old stock or desolder/resolder the BIOS chip manually from the older model to the newer model.

 

 

16 hours ago, tps3443 said:

It would be so cool to see a full power RTX4090 in MXM form factor and the power slider is just turned wayyy down by default so it can stay cool within the limitations of the laptop design. (You could crank it up and burn your house down if you wanted to) 

 

If Nvidia would allow MXM again, at least 200w options would be on the table for MXM or more. They continue to clamp down and become control freaks. The day they lose their silicon advantage is the day they experience a strong case of the "Intel's" as we saw as soon as AMD offered a competitive product their market share was immediately hit and just like that they can no longer hold back their "Ti" level hardware and have to bring everything to the table now.

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

^^^Better product^^^

I spoke too soon. Crappy silicon for an extra $200. Thanks, ASUS. Should have waited for another Suprim X. I hope it dies under warranty so I can try my luck in the silicon lottery over again. Memory maxes out between +1350 and +1400. Suprim X had no issues with +1600.  I can't match any of my Suprim X 3DMark scores, so it is as worthless to me as tits on a boar.

 

Left a pretty ugly 3-egg review for ASUS. My fault for choosing ASUS... again. 

 

 

 

Ugh..... $2000+ card with no return option performing worse than your Suprim...boo. I've been testing my memory and I can hit  ~+1650 for benching and GPU clocks as always are 2800+ right out of the box and 3100+ gaming and benching on stock BIOS with a standard OC.

 

Aesthetically that Strix 4090 is an eye sore but I know plenty love the design. I just really love the looks of this Suprim liquid. I liked the look of last gen Strix cards more than 4000 series hands down.

 

I was hoping it was a monster sample or at least reached the levels of your Suprim 4090. Hows the coil whine on it? I'm always curious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

It has arrived...



I bought @electrosoft's dead 2080 Super. I've been in the talks with NortwestRepair and am trying to arrange a repair with him. He's looking for a decent MXM to PCIe adapter that supports Clevo cards. He seems willing to attempt a repair; that's something I can respect.

I might do some basic troubleshooting with my multimeter, and if all seems well, I might stick it in my P870 and see if I can run a memory test, even though it presumably only gives a black screen. I hope the laptop will POST with it in!

I'm looking forward to getting this thing fixed. I know it's possible, it's really just a matter of how long it will take. 

 

It might boot. When it black screened I didn't realize the motherboard failed too but when ZtecPC got my X170SM-G swapping in a brand new RTX 2080 Super didn't make a difference and it still wouldn't boot / blank screen.

 

I am not even sure if they re-tested the original RTX 2080 Super with the new motherboard so I would be curious to see what happens.

 

 

3 hours ago, joe4kyo said:

Did you by any chance use max fans on all tests other than no overclock or voltage changes?

 

Nope auto fans. I try to maximize my thermals for the least amount of fan noise around standard clocks out of the box both CPU and GPU. I rarely overclock my laptops because they're fighting a losing battle anyhow with constrained cooling versus a desktop.

 

21 hours ago, MiRaGe said:

I went through the entire thread but couldn‘t find your OCed results of 2080S in TimeSpy…

could you tell me your graphics pts with +250 mem/180 core?

 

I never overclock my laptops. They are running toasty versus a desktop as is anyhow. 😞

 

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you. Yes, I know this is the one you wanted. It is sad that the NOK to USD exchange rate is 10:1 right now.

 

As I was waiting for Amazon to process my refund, I thought about the way the Suprim just died for no reason I could identify, and I remembered that my first Unify-X mobo lasted less than a day, I decided that was not better than the bad luck I have had with ASUS. I no longer have much confidence in reliability from either brand now. Figured that  I might as well get the Strix since it seems reliability for both brands is questionable. I almost pulled the trigger on a MSI Trio from Best Buy for $1600 and ready for pickup today, but decided that chances of me being happy with it are probably very slim. It's pretty wimpy in terms of power delivery, unlike the Strix and Suprim. The Strix and Suprim and HOF are the only 4090 GPUs built better than the FE. All others are weaker than the FE.

That is the US pre-tax price now on NewEgg, but it is the price from the scalpers. I did not pay that much and would never have ordered it at that price. The scalper price is ludicrous. I got the only NewEgg option in stock.

Here is what I paid for the "sold and shipped by NewEgg" GPU, which is still too much...

 

Congrats in the Strix purchase! Hopefully this one can make it outside of a month. Hopefully it is a monster clocker. My Unify-X had problems with anything over ~225w with random and immediate shutdowns with my 12900k so it had to go back too.

 

I had purchased for pickup up a Trio 4090 from BB with a 10% off coupon no less and still couldn't bring myself to pick it up even at that price. I hemmed and hawed for over 10 days while it sat there waiting for pick up before I ended up cancelling it.