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This really hurts my feelings when I see these rejects make their way into desktop level components. I would never, ever even think of running something like this in any capacity anywhere near a desktop level....ever.

I've done this numerous times where I just sell off everything and start fresh or wait for the next wave of goodies. I suddenly find myself with a pile of parts and cards so I'll probably do the same in some fashion. With that being said, let me know how much you're asking for the Asrock OC 6900xt. Funds are tight atm as I have 3x 10900k's in house to bin out to extract even more performance for the X170SM-G but I'm always curious. I wouldn't need the WB as I'd run it as is.

Looking forward to the results! I also liked your cheap build video you put up the other day too. I do know watching Gamer's Nexus review of the FTW3 he opens it up and the dies have binning clocks on them. He calls Jacob @ evga and he confirmed they bin their chips for the FTW3 models so the Black most likely is a lesser bin than the 2149/2199 model. The binning clocks for the 2199 model are 2040 which is 15mhz higher than the binning clocks for the kpe 3090 which was 2025.

Until they get the pull and heat under control, that can never happen realistically. I'm sure they've run the numbers, checked yields, break points for cores vs clocks and this is as good as they can do on a mass scale at the moment. Like you mentioned before, they could lower clocks to add more cores but that die size would be huge (not always a bad thing). Even turning off the e-cores, you still get some righteous pull and heat because they are responsible for most of the package power and heat. Instead of this KS BS, I would have rather seen at least some binned 10-12 P-Core only chips.

I know plenty of others feel the same, but y'all are doing a bang up job here on all levels. Things started off great and are just getting better and better. 👏

I agree non-specialized boards get shafted in terms of water blocks and the waiting game is ridiculous. The move towards boost clocks full spectrum is really great for everybody but greatly reduces those fat margins of yesteryear. If you're willing to sacrifice eye candy. >60fps and resolution even Pascal can get by but if you're trying to eeek every bit of resolution, eye candy and fps for even a 120hz display then even the 3090ti will hit walls.

This sounds like a prelude speech to ordering a KPE 3090ti. 🙂 Did you at least queue up for a KPE 3090ti? If you're looking to rip out as big of scores as you can then the KPE 3090 ti would be the way to go (or HOF) but so far EK has announced blocks for several makes/models but KPE 3090ti is not one of them: Hopefully they'll pass on through and keep the magic going. This place has serious potential! All we need is to get Spartan over here to round it out.

Whew, I mean overall the performance gains are definitely there most double digits and Cyberpunk 60 vs 45... Newegg dropped the price even more on the Asrock OC Formula 6900xt to sub $1300 (Crazy this was going for $2k+ last year) now with NO limits on how many you buy. It went from 1 to 5 to 10 to none. Don't forget to pick up their recommended 650w Newegg brand Rosewill 650w PSU for all your power needs.....😏🙄

We are seeing end game for driver maturation. We went from AMD being clearly outclassed at 4k to actually pulling ahead in some areas. Nvidia has distanced the 3090 from the 3080 since the beginning definitely. That gap between the 3080 and 3090ti is quite hefty. Both sets of drivers have matured and extracted more performance since the beginning. I will say as usually happens AMD's driver maturation process has resulted in more performance gains where in pure rasterization the 6900xt still beats the 3090ti in a few games even. If (when?) AMD launches their last salvo with the 6950xt it will be very interesting. What AMD is lacking is a proper DLSS, NVENC and usable RT on the high end but raw performance? Yeah it's the real deal. I can't wait for 4000 vs 7000 series!

Nice! I always like how you keep right on the cutting edge. I dip my toe in the water from time to time but I still live vicariously overall through your purchases. 😄 How's the coil whine? I don't regret selling my KPE back in October. Solid 9-10 months of use. Took me through the better part of WoW with RT enabled @ 4k Ultra 10 settings. Sold it for a little bit of profit. I like this Strix 3080 a lot. Quietest card I've ever had. Got it at "retail." ($1119) Even quieter than the KPE 3090 which was near silent for coil whine. I could hear it if I got right up on it. This one? I have to use the tube method to even find any sound at all. Downside? That performance drop means I had to jettison RT as the hit is too much but I don't really miss it. I'd take it if the fps could keep up though. There are a few areas where the 3080 bogs down into the low 50's where the 3090 kept it at a solid 60 no matter what (I'm looking at you Ardenweald and a few ORBs). Looking at the difference between the 3080 and 3090ti it is even more pronounced. Our local (50min away) Microcenter JUST sold out today their EVGA 3090 ti's. They had them in stock all day yesterday and into today which shows the market is acting right for once. They had the $1999.99 model in stock up to an hour ago and sold out of the $2149.99 model this morning. I've contemplated stepping back up to a 3090 (now 3090ti) to get those rock solid frames back. It would definitely be an EVGA FTW3 3090ti $1999 model or I'm still thinking about a 6900xt which with RT off equals or beats a 3090 for WoW @ 4k. I still got my eye on the Asrock OC Formula 6900xt at Newegg which is now down to $1359. That's only $360 more than the OEM model, vastly better PCB build quality and cooler and it comes with the binned silicon.

I thought he exact same thing watching Jay's video yesterday. Why compare a stock FE 3090 to a FTW 3090ti? He even had a 3090 FTW in hand for size comparison. HWunboxed did a better job too: Testing games TUF vs TUF = ~6-11% faster depending on game:

Price being equal, I'd take a 6900xt over a 2080ti. The 6900xt still manages to beat the 3090ti in a few games and hangs tough overall. It really comes down to what you're going to do with it.

Devalues the 3090 AND in these falling market times makes reselling at best a break even event. Crikeys, KPE 3090 ti has dual 16-pin power connectors.....this thing means business...I like the caps on the back though....all high end for that $2500....

Even stressing both simultaneously in unrealistic synthetics I've never seen the GPU reach anywhere near those levels. Ambient deltas can be accounted for but hitting 95c in Timespy is a major read flag. I agree it is most likely a contact issue. Double check the thermal spread. You can also verify good contact by using a central dollop application versus manual spread to see how the natural pressure of the secured heatsink distributes the thermal compound. If the spread is sound, you could try a copper shim to see if it is still a pairing issue. I also agree to double check the gpu thermal pads to make sure one isn't compromising the pairing pressure.

I'm a firm believer in don't upgrade till you see a need. If your Omen is handling it close to your expectations save your coin and wait for newer models and/or for your laptop to suddenly stop performing to contemplate upgrades/changes. Only reason I upgraded from my P870TMw/ 1060 to an X170SM-G w/ 2080 Super was because WoW Shadowlands suddenly reduced my normally 60-80fps @ Ultra 10 to 20-30fps at level 7 in some areas. A need presented itself and I was left with upgrading the GPU or selling it (parted it out) and replacing the entire thing. Now I'm running around at 144fps just about everywhere. If you are unhappy with the gaming performance your only options are 3070(ti) / 3080(ti). Check out some reviews and see the performance delta between your results and what they are seeing to give you some idea of a baseline and go from there. Your laptop does have a TB4 port so you could contemplate an external GPU when home.

Whoa, those GPU temps are outrageously high. That is the most concerning to me. CPU pegging 91c in TimeSpy stress could use some work but I'd focus on the GPU first. Do you have an overclock running on the GPU or that is stock? I run the same GPU and temps are much lower. I have to do some testing on my X170SM-G to prep for some binning runs between three 10900k's anyhow so I'll rerun TimeSpy for comparison later. @clamibot can you do a full TimeSpy run with a HWinfo screen (all stock) for comparison for control too since we have similar rigs and all three of us are running 2080 Supers.

So the 3090ti is upon us (aka Last of the Money Grabs). Nvidia 3090ti Founders Edition is $2000 so that's the new baseline and all cards go up from there. EVGA queues are open for all their cards (except the lowest spec'd 3090ti FTW3 which is full and closed). EVGA's FTW3 bottom tier card is actually priced the same as the Founders. They continue to offer the best pricing overall versus all other makers along with a killer warranty service. KPE 3090ti queues are open. With the new 3.0 Queue system, you can only queue up for ONE 3090ti model (you are limited to one card per chipset). If you queue up and get a FTW3 you can't get a KPE 3090ti too. K|NGP|N 3090ti: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=24G-P5-4998-KR I'm expecting the KP 3090ti to clock in at $2499.99. Asus Strix 3090ti LC is actually competitively priced this time $2199.99: https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-rog-strix-lc-rtx3090ti-o24g-gaming/p/N82E16814126554?Description=strix 3090ti&cm_re=strix_3090ti-_-14-126-554-_-Product&quicklink=true Overall multi game average difference: Pretty substantial difference between my Strix 3080 10GB and 3090TI. $1000+ worth of difference? Hmmmm.... As predicted, same 3090 vs same 3090ti you're seeing a 5-10% uplift. I expect the KPE 3090ti to offer the same gap at the least.

I use a BenQ 4k panel that is FreeSync compatible and Gsync is enabled but my panel is 60hz so even with it enabled/disabled it can't touch anywhere near the smoothness of my laptop 144hz Gsync panel enabled. For World of Warcraft I find using Gsync enabled works the best albeit I'll reap bigger dividends when I eventually switch to a higher refresh 4k panel or step down to 1440p. One thing I won't sacrifice is color accuracy so my options are limited.

Something is definitely wrong with your GPU cooling somewhere along the chain. I have a 2080 Super and it tops out around 68-73 and fans don't even go to max. That is playing WoW or even running synthetics. That would definitely send your fans into a tizzy. What CPU do you run and how are those temps? Open up HWinfo and see exactly how everything is running after some stress tests (TimeSpy and CB23 for starters). I think this is the official link to the X170SM-G drivers: https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-idxul17m20/

Newest Asus Z690 D4 BIOS update (1201 -> 1304). Read speeds increased by 7000+ and latency dropped by ~3ns compared to 1201 with the 2x8 G.skill Bdie. This is comparing stock XMP timings for consistency (Pure stock run). I picked up a 980 Pro 1TB to replace my SN850 500GB along with those 2x16GB bdie sticks from @Mr. Fox so that's next up this afternoon to go with a clean install.

If it is a relatively newish D15 (less than 6yrs old) if should have an Intel 115x bracket in there to work.

There's much less talk because our SMs aren't encountering as many issues as the KM which seems to have stalled in issue resolution from the OEMs. True, if you have a stock unit then Prema is not available. You could reach out to Prema and see if a donation of sorts would get a remote upgrade to it but that is your only recourse atm. As for drivers, I'd recommend XMG's set of drivers as they seem to be the most up to date. Those coupled with their BIOS/FW is the most current. Are you having any other issues with your unit besides driver updates? What config are you running?

If I had your system for fun, first thing I would is start swapping parts with my SM to verify each component. I would then take your 10700k and swap it into my desktop motherboard and get an idea of its quality and delid it and map out expected V/F curve and lock down rock solid UV. I'd end up swapping in the 3080 to my SM and then swap in the 2080 Super into the KM just to verify the motherboard is not an issue or culprit. I would also install XMG's newest BIOS and FW too. I have a couple of 10900k's I would be swapping in to test also to compare thermals and characteristics versus SM. I know you're wary, but I would also end up fixing the bent pin(s) too. I've been in your situation where you've just had enough of the problems and you want to wash your hands of the whole thing and just get something different or build out a desktop.

Giving up the battle eh? Make sure to describe any gaming problems or issues you've had too (black screens, etc...) because I can guarantee you if the buyer experiences any of that they will be returning it on your S&H dime. I know the unit has been somewhat problematic for you so being completely open and honest will prevent any open disputes and returns. Make sure to take better pics too especially of the crack. If it shows up in worse shape than pictured, that will get you a potential return also.

Glad it was able to get resolved relatively fast. I'm so paranoid about not having a competent rig I usually keep a backup or two (laptop(s), desktop(s) and parts galore) just in case. We have two gaming PCs in the house now for my wife and I and the one time hers went down due to GPU failure she was not a happy camper. 🙂