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  1. electrosoft
    I hope 90w PL1 isn't the max as that is basically a mobile level PL. I can't see that being the max or even close for a desktop chip which even spec'd from Intel is 125w which is rarely adhered to. All previous Clevo Intel DTRs of the last 6 generations (6th -> 11th) had much much higher PLs ranging from 150w up to 200w. If you're looking to bin you will need a 12900 / 12900k(f) that doesn't so much overclock well put happens to have fantastic stock pull and thermals and can take a good UV. I've binned 4 12900k chips and the stock pull running CB23 as a baseline has ranged from 241w down to 208w right out of the box. Applying undervolts and/or reducing LLC had the 208w chip drawing down to 150w up to 162w (depending on heat) under load. Even my new SP94 12900ks can't get close to that bottoming out at ~173w set to 4.9/3.9 like a 12900k. I usually qualify chips on a desktop board (Asus normally) that lets me differentiate between which chips work best at stock and can run full tilt under simulated conditions. It's the same approach I took to hunt down good candidate 11900k and 10900k to work in the X170KM and X170SM so they wouldn't throttle and handle full runs. Let's say the BIOS is locked down. You put a better chip in there it will draw less by default. If XTU (or TS) works, you can then lower than even more with a UV. I would love to know the BIOS options. Coming from Eurocom (and hopefully who else offers it), I'd like to see some CPU control. Disabling e-cores would be great. We don't know how much XTU comes into play (or CCC) to apply an undervolt too. It is using the Insyde BIOS the same as the X170 series so it must likely can be unlocked to a degree. Looking at those benchmarks, especially Timespy, that system is scoring lower than my X170SM-G both in GPU and CPU multi and of course looking at the CB23 score that single thread score is righteous and multi is better. It looks to ship with a single 230w PSU so that is troubling as it touts supporting up to the 12900k. We definitely need more real world testing and info to see what it can and can not do and how its power distribution works in CPU only, GPU only and combination scenarios.
  2. electrosoft
    Last run before switching back to my SP91 12900k for some comparative tests. 12900ks SP94 can definitely do 5.4 all core but it will need a delid and better cooling to really make it shine as I'm thermal throttling on my 420mm AIO. Wish it was winter right now. A delid at the minimum will get it doing 5.4 all core on the 420mm AIO easy. Better cooling will just kick it up a notch to maybe 5.5. Core #1 is clearly the monster of the group.
  3. electrosoft
    Run versus pass real sustained stress tests are two different things. The rigor and qualifications Intel expects for 5.2 all core is much more rigorous than a lot of our "soft stable" settings we accept. That article was very much on point especially here: "Is the Core i9-12900KS ‘just’ a machine-binned 12900K? Yes, and in my opinion, it doesn't need to be anything else. Let me show you what a good chunk of them can do on standard water cooling and follow that up with multiple world records and gold trophies with liquid nitrogen cooling, no big deal." Tighter tolerances, expectations and performance. That is what you're paying for. Even a poorly binned 12900KS will still run 5.2 all core....hot and heavy sure but it will do it; just like the 12900k will follow the same track except 300mhz slower. I've just been running mine with AI OC enabled while I put it through its single core and WoW paces and seeing it handle 5.7ghz in wow on 2-3 cores no problem even raiding for hours on end which hits the CPU the hardest in WoW, temps sitting in the 60s after hours of play tickles my fancy. My SP91 12900k couldn't do it. Not even close. Watching it hit 2200+ single core in CB23 really shows you the architectural gap between it and 11th and especially 10th gen. Still, I can be frugal at heart so I am going to swap back in the 12900k SP91 later this week to see if the 12900ks is really worth the $831.66 it cost. My return window is till May 30th so it isn't like I don't have time. 🙂 One thing this 12900ks can't do is touch my SP91 at 4.9 settings. I can dial it down to ~174w CB23 well above the sub 160w the SP91 draws but I'll need to retest it with 1403. Agreed. this is what a delidded and relidded 10900k looks like with a BartX after I did it a few days ago with the nickel coated BartX. I do love the look of his IHS's. Temps are fantastic. For reference 12900ks SP94 letting Asus control the entire CPU narrative (for better or worse) AI Optimized, MCE Enabled, No AI BIOS control w/ +2 TVB enabled:
  4. electrosoft
    I really like the refinements RC made to the 12th gen model in regards to the holding cap and pressure plastic screw. The core unit looks about the same though. They need to do a nickel plated model like BartX to avoid dealing with the LM soak/hardening issues. You also hear Alex (his side kick in this one) even talk about XTU and how this one is better binned than the last one they tested. Tale of two 12900ks chips: I just got back earlier from my bud's place to unfurl his new Best Buy 12900ks on his Hero and it is an SP84 and a dog. Even at stock (5.2) we couldn't dial it down any lower than ~272w under CB23. 5.2 all core I have mine down to 227w under CB23 running 10min stress test. His 5.3 all core was 319w vs my 255w both on auto. I still need to dial it in to see how low it can go. I jokingly told him I think his chip was meant for me. He wasn't amused. I'm sure he'll play around with it over the next few days and at least shave a little of that off.
  5. electrosoft
    Nice write up by someone with a 5800X3D in hand over on OCN here: https://www.overclock.net/threads/5800x3d-owners.1798046/#post-28975466
  6. electrosoft
    Having used the Noctua LH-N9 series of coolers before, it definitely won't cool a 12900k and I suspect even a 12700k would give it fits. I built a system out for my brother (mATX) and it had his 5600x running a bit toasty even under load. I switched him to an EVGA CLC 240 and that fixed the thermal problems. I guess it depends on what CPU you're looking to run. @Clamibot Linked their new upcoming TREGO pics in the other thread (https://imgur.com/gallery/pT7GUFc) and that seems more my speed being able to get a 280mm or 360mm AIO in there.
  7. electrosoft
    Only problem now is I need to re-certify my 2x8GB (part of my original 4x8GB) set of sticks to see where they will go past 4133 as I never took them that far before. Using them on my Z390, they were 4x8 @ 4000 Using them on my 5800x its IF 1:1 crapped out basically at 3733 My best 11900k crapped out at 3933 My best 12900k was 4133 I'll end up putting them back in the 10th gen test bed (Asus Z590 Prime-A) and getting some known working loose profiles >4133 to make sure they're not the problem and see what happens but for DDR4 I know the real magic is with an MSI Z690 Edge. It is clearly the superior DDR4 board for Z690 now that time has passed and data has trickled in. I see a lot of D4 owners either abandoning their D4s for it or just going for DDR5.
  8. electrosoft
    I'm not even sure how I missed this thread but @FredSRichardson dropped a link in another thread. This is a very cool and fascinating project, awesome!
  9. electrosoft
    I do like the perfect square and thinner width. Makes it easier to just place a portable display right on top and maybe even a TKL Keyboard there too for transport. 360mm AIO basically means hello 12th gen comfortably.
  10. electrosoft
    Yeah, the IMC on this SP94 12900ks is superior too. On my SP91 I topped out at 4000 on 2x16 DR B-Die (4133 2x8 SR B-die). on the 12900ks they booted right up at 4133 and ran just fine. In addition, on the SP91 12900k the 2x16GB DR B-Die sticks could do 4000 but the bandwidth was capped at 58k and latency was 68n+ and they acted odd and laggy. Another reason I still stuck with 2x8GB @ 4000. With the SP94 12900k and these sticks, they are right where they should be pre-tuning.
  11. electrosoft
    Nice ~10% OC on the GPU. That can make the difference when you're trying to avoid those dips.
  12. electrosoft
    I spent awhile (joyously) fine tuning my X170SM-G but now it runs like a beast. I had an X170KM-G but it was problematic and no Prema BIOS for full control. @Clamibot and I have the same grand vision of a killer, well thought out, traveling SFF monster and a portable display and keyboard. I am curious to see where this X15 goes though.
  13. electrosoft
    Doing some auto prelim tests before I crash.... SP94 12900ks same P102 core rating as my SP91 12900k but clearly better: Stock G1 4000 (2x8) Pure auto for both (CB23 multi run): SP91: X142K440...G1 4000 PCore / ECore Pull Watts Temp --------------------------------- 5.2 / 3.9 1.332 262w 82 5.3 / 3.9 1.412 317w 96 SP94: X205L654...G1 4000 (12900KS) PCore / ECore Pull Watts Temp --------------------------------- 5.2 / 4.0 1.288 238w 82 5.3 / 4.0 1.314 255w 87 For kicks, here was my SP82 12900k: X141K007...G1 4000 PCore / ECore Pull Watts Temp --------------------------------- 5.2 / Stock 1.385 297w 94 5.3 / Stock 1.421 336w TT SP89 and SP81 wouldn't boot at all to 5.3 Definitely feels like 11th gen 11900k days again where 5.3 testing saw a high of 370w down to a low of 295w. Then again testing 10th gen 10900k's at 5.2 saw a high of 367w+ down to a low of 261w. All on auto.... Intel, extreme variance is thy name..... I'll see where the IMC lands over the next few days for DDR4 G1. SP81 and SP89 topped out at 3867 SP82 did 4000 SP91 did 4133
  14. electrosoft
    If I had some Kapton on hand I would have used it but I had multiple S33 so that worked fine till I sold it a year later but if given a choice the Kapton.
  15. electrosoft
    I've already committed to my next build or build adjustments being a small custom water loop w/ flexible tubing and QDCs for my CPU at least. We're reaching that point.
  16. electrosoft
    Well.... I stand corrected. 12900ks better than my SP91 12900k SP94 P = 102 E = 79
  17. electrosoft
    AC LF II 420 is a beast and zero RGB or extra cables/software. Utilitarian in the best way. Does what it says it will do no muss; no fuss. I think @Papusan has one too. It's a great AIO. And yeah, you're going to need a big boy to house it. This Enthroo advertises supporting a 420mm up top but that is clearly one without the extra touch of length of the AC. I had to mount it in the front. I can almost guarantee my streak of bad/worst bins will continue in full force with BB. We have a love/hate relationship apparently. 😭 I did install the newest BIOS which was released a few days ago for the D4 bringing it up to 1403 like the rest of their Z690 boards and it specifically addresses the KS (along with more memory compatibility) so it is primed and ready to spit back that SP84.
  18. electrosoft
    That's exactly what I used to cover the pins when I Dsanke'd my P870DM-G to run an 8086k.... works fine. Just make sure they're small enough to not compromise any of the other surrounding pins.
  19. electrosoft
    Standard = 15 days My Best Buy Elite Member = 30 My Best Buy Elite Plus = 45 (This is me) Total Tech = 60 days
  20. electrosoft
    I can see this happening. I saw it happen to somebody and Walmart. They kept returning almost everything they would buy month after month till they were flagged by that and surrounding Walmarts unable to return anything. Fast forward 4 years later and they move to a different state. Do the same thing (they called it, "Reverse Shopping Day") for month after month and yep....banned from returning anything there too. Never did understand returning that high of volume of returns but it was a case of buyers remorse after the shopping high wore off.
  21. electrosoft
    That's awesome! I always enjoyed L1T's Youtube content too.
  22. electrosoft
    I absolutely agree it is throttling as we know the baseline potential of the 12700k. I also just helped a user who was throttling just as much in their X170SM-G with a 10900k to know how under performing it was. It was only achieving ~70% of its optimized performance once we usually get under (and over) the hood and tweak and optimize it properly and that was factory fresh from Eluktronics. Looking at those early X15 screen shots? It is only achieving ~73% of its proper baseline performance. We won't know what is capable till we see actual launch units, notebookcheck get a review unit and more importantly a person or persons on the forums get their hands on one to document the highs and lows. All we know is a hybrid Socket 1700 DTR is on the way that can actually use desktop 12th gen chips is on the way. It is definitely flawed. I have yet to get a laptop that hasn't been flawed in some fashion. Closest to perfection was the Alienware M18x R2 IMHO. That was the pinnacle on all fronts. We've only trended back downward since.
  23. electrosoft
    If I was shopping for a 1600w PSU right now, I would pick up an EVGA Platinum 1600w which has dropped $140USD to $359.99 w/ a 10yr warranty: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-PP-1600-X1 For 1000w I would have no problems using an EVGA 1000w G6 on sale for $179.99: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-G6-1000-X1 As it stands now, personally, I am going to wait for the new generation of PSUs with the new power connectors and ride my Seasonic 1000w, EVGA 850w till then.
  24. electrosoft
    How is Timespy stacking up 10v11?
  25. electrosoft
    Not yet. I'll pop it in today most likely if I get time. Not much. I'm an elite member and I buy so much stuff from them for myself, family and clients (I usually hit elite status before the end of Q1 sometimes sooner) I suspect it is a drop in the bucket overall. Plus my wife is good friends with the CS lady in there. It's a running joke with them, "Oh....what's he going to return today?" or when picking up an order she will tell her, "So when can we expect this back?" 😆 I've kept plenty of duds from them or average chips. If I'm building out for someone who doesn't give a hoot about overclocking I'm going to keep the CPU anyhow but I can absolutely say with 100% confidence the highest amount of mediocre chips I've ever tested over the last 3 years have all come from Best Buy. Best buy holds the record for the WORST chips too for 9th->11th and even my brothers 5600x was barely a silver. I switched from an air cooler to a 240mm AIO in his mATX buildout because it ran warmer than normal. The best chips without a doubt have come from Newegg. Everyone was above average or higher going back to even 6th gen. Anecdotal at best but that is just my experience.
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