electrosoft

What is going on with your CPU performance and chart? That is all over the place....

As someone who blocks everything, a card with zero wb options is an instant no for you regardless of every other variable so it makes sense.

Another reason I stick with EVGA when able.... The whole KPE 3090ti launch and markdown ($2499 -> $1999) less than a month in just didn't sit well with me. I get that tech as an enthusiast pursuit will always result in a net loss Y2Y but the timing and everything just rubbed me the wrong way on a personal level. I was mulling it over for a week or so and finally reached out to EVGA with the timing and mark down being so soon after launch and basically $500 is nothing to scoff at. Being in the tail end of the second wave also put my purchase date ~10+ days after the official launch and firmly within a month of the mark down. They got back to me earlier and after a little back and forth credited me back the difference of the old vs new price. They didn't have to but they did and without all the pomp and circumstance you sometimes get ("We're giving you this one time courtesy" , "We normally don't do this", "Feel lucky peon!") and that goes a long way with myself and how companies treat their customers on a micro level. Yeah the prices even had me looking around for a reason to pick up another high end card. I sold my 3070 when I moved the wife to my Strix 3080 so any purchase is going to be 3080ti/6900 levels or higher. We're really seeing the end of a cycle decline in prices that is super heightened because they were so grossly overpriced for so long. I try to view the markdowns compared to original intended MSRP and the newest round of markdowns have them at or below their original MSRP especially the 3090ti/3080ti. 3090ti FE original MSRP...........$1999.99 (giggle) 3090 FE original MSRP..............$1499.99** 3080ti FE original MSRP............$1199.99 3080 FE original MSRP..............$ 699.99** 3070ti FE original MSRP.............$ 599.99 3070 FE original MSRP...............$ 499.99 ** Original Ampere launch day prices. Tack on $100-300 for original AIB pricing for better tiered models. The biggest savings are clearly at the top.

So true! They knew exactly who was buying a large portion of their cards. 🙂 A gamer wants one card on average maybe another one for an auxiliary rig. Miners? As many as they could get world wide in every country. Easy money sell pallets of GPUs directly to miners. I don't fault Nvidia and AIBs for maximizing profits but own it.

Q2 had no choice but to be weaker. This time last year they couldn't keep up with demand even with cards grossly marked up. Hopefully 4000 series is held off a bit while the market continues to adjust downward so 4000 pricing reflects reality not the outlier bubble we experienced world wide. To get optimal pricing on 3000 series it is finding that tipping point where 3000 supply is right at the drying up spot and pricing has trended down as much as it will before it might go back up a bit and/or the card(s) you want are no longer available. I don't think we're quite there yet. Checking even Newegg, you will see many models of cards are gone/out of stock now across several AIBs so they are definitely moving especially higher tier models. For example, if you were holding out for certain Asus Strix models, they're gone. from the 3080 and 3090 models with only more expensive specialty models left. Gobs of TUFs though. ROG Strix 3090ti is in stock for $1500 but they took a step backwards with its PCB and it's basically the TUF PCB in there versus the superior 100% poscap design of the Strix 3080 and 3090. Same applies to Gigabyte. Their top end Master cards are gone now. All that's left are Eagles and Visions for 3080/3080ti. Gigabyte 3090 models? Master and Xtreme cards are still $2k+ The only sub $1k EVGA 3080 model on Newegg now is the 10gb model. All over 3080s are >$1k that are left. One model of FTW3 3090 left and those pesky FTW3 3090ti's but they're priced higher than direct from EVGA. I'll reiterate. If you have your eye on a particular model and it is one of the upper tier models, you might want to think about picking it up sooner than later if the price has come down. Of course if price is your sole objective and you want the cheapest whatever brand/model then hold on. There's still room for drops. 🙂

This site is laid out just like the old NBR in regards to the forums with owner threads. I don't see any advertising here. I do use an ad blocker but even switched off to check I do not see any. If @Reciever needed to pump in some ads to support the site I would turn my blocker off for this site as a courtesy.

I think I said it before that out of all the companies during the GPU craze EVGA handled it the best IMHO but that doesn't mean perfect or close to it. I expect EVGA to operate like any other for profit company at its core. Mass selling to miners was a no brainer. People had delusions about how the queues were going to work and somehow override massive, large profitable sales of mass units in a single transaction or obligations to resellers? Sure... Queue members were low buyers on the totem pole but it still added some order to the chaos at that time. I have no problems with mining, miners or what they choose to do with their hardware. I have no problems with companies that day in and day out look to optimize and maximize their profits. That is their primary function and as long as you view them as such you make your buying decisions accordingly. EVGA just sold out of the FTW3 3090ti $1149 model. $1199.99 (which is their "best") is the last one in stock at that $1200 price point. I suspect when it sells out they will shift the formerly low end $1399.99 down to $1149 or $1099 to finish blowing them out and if needed shift the 3090ti AIO model down to $1299.99 soon. The stock on their top end models (3080 and up) is drying up at a decent rate. EDIT: 3090ti $1199 back up to $1399 to match the other one.

Yep, that's basically what Steve said. Workforce contraction among tech companies is up across the board. Makes sense with plummeting sales and reality kicking back in.

EVGA lays off 20% of work force (along with a few other companies):

This was pretty much my take. He went off the rails HARD. At first I'm going, "Ok, that sounds alright...." to "well that is possible" to "Huh?" then when he started the whole conjecture sprew I faded fast. I don't think JZ2C was pushing anything...just commenting on past market conditions but failing to factor in the massive mark up from the Pandemic even on new products which could result in an even bigger depreciation of value when crashing. Jufes failed to recognize all the other AIBs massively marking down their prices too. EVGA in the here and now just happen to mark theirs down more to clear out inventory. Clearly it is working as most of the 3090 models are dried up and gone now for EVGA. KPE 3090ti is officially sold out even after adjusting for the E1 lackluster response and many of their other models are sold out too. 3090ti 4 of 5 models left (KPE sold out, HC pulled before launch) 3090 2 of 5 models left (KPE sold out) 3080ti 1 of 7 models left (XC3 Ultra) 3080 12GB 1 of 9 models left (Only XC3 HC left) 3080 10GB 4 of 7 models left (Prices will need to come down more but getting dangerously close to 3070ti land) One moment he's railing on EVGA next he's bragging about the $2k he made from his viewers using his associates code..... He very badly wants to be noticed by Linus and JZ2C....you can just tell. 🙂 $1149.99 for a FTW3 3090ti is a damn good price no matter how anyone attempts to crap all over it. $350 less than the 3090 launch MSRP for the FE and $450+ less than launch AIB pricing for the 3090. I know there's a ton of resentment from the whole "Perfect Storm" of pricing from the last few years but enough is enough.

Yeah that was a good run over there. I was a member since 2008/9 so 10+ years. Luckily after some clearing of the air with three potential forums as a replacement the other two went under but NBT persisted and is growing and thriving. Welcome back!

Jufes going in HARD on EVGA (JayZ2C a bit)..... EVGA is clearly living rent free in his head atm 🙂

$1149.99/$1199.99 for the previous $2149.99 and $2199.99 models for a FTW3 3090ti.....wow.... $1k price drop. They're even cheaper than their own 3090 meaning they ordered based on old market conditions that suddenly came to a screeching halt.

That is awesome to read! Progress! 👏

Final nail in the coffin for that ProSiphon Elite from der8auer @ ~245w (OC'd 11th gen):

Yeah all that hype to score the same or slightly worse than the NH-D15. I still keep one as a back up ready to go just in case.

I'm not sure if that was with stock BIOS or Prema but either way I agree. We're both in the same boat with 2080S so the 3080 upgrade is ho hum at best.

No one yet has tried it, but I can't see a reason one wouldn't work. Just swap in a KM heatsink or pickup a universal heatsink from Aliexpress and you're good on the hardware front.

Looks to be about equal with an NH-D15 in this extensive setup and testing review:

You won't regret it. For true, unbridled performance nothing beats a good desktop. Laptops on the go obviously or when I want to relax in the recliner but outside of that? Desktop all the way. There really isn't anything out there that tickles my fancy except maybe the NH55 which is as close as it has come outside of that BGA GPU. Hopefully an aftermarket HS will pop up on Aliexpress. X170SM-G is running calm, cool and collected. Low to no noise and no thermal throttling anywhere. I do hope Clevo will right the ship even more back to the P870TM'esque days with 13th gen but I'm not holding my breath.

Are you thinking 4000 series laptop or building out a desktop?

Yeah I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would but then again I played through and liked all the original games too from original launch so there was a very strong chance I was going to like this one too.

In theory yep when it launches late next year or early 2024. Expect the standard Nvidia roll out 4090 first then 4080 then 4070 early next year. Slight wait till the big fish buy the higher end cards then finally 4060 and 4050s limp in. Wait. Then refresh time. I hope that AMD is going to be enough of a threat that Nvidia comes right out of the block and has to offer the 4090ti flagship and like the 1080ti and 2080ti that is the top dog the entire life cycle.

I'm tempted to get a Classified. Killer price and would tie in nicely with my GPU. Throw in an associate's code discount and knock off another 5%. I'm just wary of 4 slots as I will only use 2. And true, launch pricing was high. It is quickly becoming an end cycle purchasing game now. Top tier boards at substantial discounts, new, with full warranties. I think Classified is basically the FTW in this scenario.

Agreed.... Only thing we can hope is the glut will cause 4000 series card makers to re-evaluate their launch pricing to realize the Pandemic pricing was an ad hoc outlier situation with so many things that could go wrong did exactly that (Pandemic, Mining, Tariffs oh my.....) and pricing needs to get back to reality especially towards the end of the cycle when I'll be eyeing up a end cycle 4090ti or skipping altogether and getting a 5000 series if needed. WoW Dragonflight apparently has a lot of optimizations and code clean up and runs even better than Shadowlands which did ok @ 4k full Ultra except for two areas known to bring GPUs to their knees (Ardenweald and Bastion). I'm also playing Fallout 76 full 4k max settings and my GPU isn't even going over 130w full load it is so non taxing atm. Even 13th gen doesn't have me excited in any type of way based on early results vs 12th. Early results show 4080 = 3090ti Full fat AD104 is rumored to be 4070ti (not 4070) not launching till late next year. Maybe AMD will bring the high heat this time? EVGA Z690 motherboards back on sale: