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2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Even pcworld's editor finally can see the gamers being screwed... But they still give bad advices bro @Mr. Fox

How to buy a budget laptop without getting screwed

 

 

Why is NVIDIA allowing GeForce RTX 3060/3070 Laptop GPUs to be sold as desktop mining cards? 

In fact, the only purpose here is to avoid mining restrictions. And this procedure has been going for months now, without any sign of NVIDIA cracking down on it.

 

Nvidia is just happy they could hold up the price point well above MSRP as long they can. Miners have always been their priority. Because they know the Crypto race won't last forever as their target group... The Gamers. 

 

 

A new baby has arrived... Yep, happy I didn't feed Nvidia and its partners wallets with double MSRP for Ampere cards due their nasty way to increase profits (see above)  Point of View Nvidia Geforce 580

 

The crocks is back bro @electrosoft 😄

 

 

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https://hwbot.org/submission/5004336_papusan_3dmark___cloud_gate_geforce_gtx_980_69275_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5004269_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_670_29024_marks

 

 

I'm gonna have to try a pair of crocs one of these days. I stick to Rebok basic betty white sneakers for even wearing around the house!

Loving the continued benching and testing of older GPUs on state of the art CPUs knowing you're extracting every bit of performance out of those cards.

2 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Unfortunately a 12900kf is a no go as the laptop screen needs the iGFX.

 

I got a Newegg 12900k in, this one is slightly faster than the others. CBR23 multi 21891 without an undervolt. This one is the first I have tested that is an older batch, V141 as opposed to all of the others which are X202+. With this one wattage peaks at 129.1, so a bit higher than the others. I guess that means it has a higher VF curve if the EC has a 90A limit.

 

I am unsure about measuring the pressure. It does seem to be less than what I have seen with the NH-D15S on my desktop. The max temp range has generally been no more than 5C on the P-cores in situations when its not thermal throttling (max fans, P+e cores enabled, on a laptop stand, ambient temp 65F). I have used nanogrease extreme before but it was pretty viscous. When you apply it do you just do a bead on the IHS, or try to spread with the spatula?

Most likely the first two were in the same "average" mediocre range and you finally got a chip that is a better silicon. V variants are from China while X variants are from Vietnam. When I say 12th gen variance is extreme that is an understatement. Even at stock you're looking at end tweaking potential pull variances of ~70-75w (~162w-241w). Throw in leaky vs non-leaky chips and when you're dealing with a limited cooling solution it can make a difference.

If you settle on that chip, a delid and milled, flat IHS will probably work wonders.

You could also do some shim tests to see if extra height gives better temps and performance. I know on my P870TM ordering an IHS that was 4.3mm vs stock 3.3mm made a world of difference. Doing shim tests on my X170SM showed it didn't have nearly the same effect but my X170SM-G is modded from Ztec so a lot of the ground work was done already.

Best way to apply nanogrease extreme is a dollop in the middle and let the natural pairing pressure spread it out where it needs to be and compensate for any gaps. Due to the rectangular shape of the IHS you may need to apply a micro sized dot above and below the central dollop. You can always do a few test applications with cheaper stuff to make sure you're getting the ideal spread.

18 hours ago, Bert_7 said:

Thank You!  I've "only" been running 64G for 6 months!!!  😄   This helps a lot!!!

No problem. 🙂 Just be aware depending on ram frequency the KM can be real finicky with all 4 slots populated. Let us know if you have any problems and we'll get it sorted out one way or the other on your march to 128GB. 😄

5 minutes ago, Bert_7 said:

Has anyone taken the motherboard out of this to upgrade the RAM under the keyboard?  I have an additional 64GB that I need to put in here and I don't want to break this thing....

You don't  have to take your motherboard out to upgrade the ram. Two screws to lift up the keyboard and the ram slots are right underneath.

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

Maybe the low pull 12900k are also going to 12900hx BGA packaged chips, too? Shame Intel doesn't have an LGA SKU targeting that type of bin for HTPC type purposes.

 

I could exchange the 12900k for a 12900ks at Micro Center. They have them for $180 more.

 

Also what is considered the best non-LM paste for IHS to heatsink applications? I am running low on Thermalright TFX so looking at ordering more of something. I have heard Kryonaut degrades above 80C so not considering that even though Micro Center carries it.

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

havent had any issues with kryonaut, maybe u could give kryonaut extreme a try 🙂 otherwise, MX5 is supposed to be good, as well as noctua NT-H2 and coolermaster master gel pro v2

I would not be surprised if they are binning for 12900hx specs too as they will need a much tighter and lower V/F curve for the lower range and really don't need to hit full 12900k specs. It could go both ways.

You could also bin 12900kf as they can never be binned for 12900hx or 12900ks chips as they don't have iGFX.

If you have any type of potential pairing/pressure issues, nanogrease is the best as it is the thickest and helps compensate for any pairing issues while being within spitting distance of the slightly better thermal compounds.

If you're confident in your pairing pressure, Kingpin is best I've found but it has a ~6mo shelf life before it starts to degrade followed by good ole gelid extreme and then EVGA Frostbite is a sleeper hit which is on par with Gelid extreme.

Personally, I run Nanogrease Extreme on my laptops because I've yet to find a laptop that pairs anywhere near as exacting and tight as a desktop and it is close enough and tends to give me better temps overall. I don't use it on desktops at all.

I lost confidence in Kryonaut and Conductonaut due to some bad batches so I avoid both for TIM and LM for YMMV.

On 5/22/2022 at 5:09 PM, jaybee83 said:

currently finishing up stock baseline of benches to get an idea of performance on cpu, gpu and ram before we continue with prema magic. what ive noticed: once the gpu hits above 70C consistently (not sure when exactly, its somewhere around 70 to 75C), the vRAM clocks suddenly start fluctuating, ive seen anywhere from 6000 to 8000 Mhz. 

 

if there is interest, i can post my baseline results for reference here in the thread once done 🙂 and then later on compare to the max attained numbers with premamod.

Yeah, I definitely want to see as much data as you're willing to provide. It helps fill in the caps and set baselines and expectations.

Edit: Just read your comprehensive baseline data post, awesome!

How are you pulling 140w when @win32asmguy was capped at 125w ? I mean, if it is a BIOS variation thing that is promising and we can focus on containing the furnace with a dialed in uv and ac/dc ll if the BIOS can be opened up enough. I know on my P870TM I dialed in everything with a fixed Vcore and ll settings to really chop off a lot of wattage and keep the CPU running within spec.

So much room for improvements from binned silicon to uv to IHS to thermal compound selection to additional heatsinks and more....good stuff ahead. 🙂

On 5/22/2022 at 10:47 PM, win32asmguy said:

I picked up another 12900k from Micro Center today. Sadly it does not perform any better than the previous one from Best Buy. I guess I could try one from Newegg next.

Problem is right now Intel is hoarding a lot of decent bins for 12900ks but most 12900k's will be ~SP84'ish in silicon quality which is not great. If you had an Asus board that supported SP rating (Strix D4, Prime A, Hero) you would probably see the ratings are ho hum at best.

I binned 5 and really it was random luck I landed a chip that ran ridiculously low and cool. Most 12900ks chips will blow it out the water for overclocking though. Testing it on that B660M board with that small air cooler and seeing it only run ~5c hoter than a 12100f while pulling 60w more was astounding. I didn't even expect those types of results.

Is it a thermal issue or a PL issue? If it is thermal issues, a delid and relid with a good IHS will work wonders. I know everybody is doing Rockitcool, but I would recommend BartX. Not only can you get a nickel plated IHS (no soak issues with LM), but he will custom make an IHS for you with additional height if needed for a tighter pairing.

I've purchased a few custom made IHS's from him and they worked great. One for 9900ks and another for 10900k.

9 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

1. That BIOS you speak of is called Dsanke BIOS (courtesy of brother Dsanke). I think some of the members from NBR who have flashed it onto their own laptops have joined NBT (this community), but I still haven't done a head count of everyone I knew from NBR who has joined this forum. The thread from NBR you're thinking of is this one: https://web.archive.org/web/20220125230413/http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/x170sm-unlocked-bios-here-plus-all-drivers.834740/.

 

One of the direct download links for the BIOS is this link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GYY2EqzkIX_beeYs9L9bT8efRsWk4ObD/view

(courtesy of brother JCordero31 from NBR, I don't think he's joined this forum yet)

 

The instructions for flashing the BIOS are included in the thread archive link I mentioned, but I'll post them here anyway.

 

1. Run the Unlock.bat file with administrative rights
2. Answer the one question it ask with yes
3. Let it fully run its course it will take a few be patient. When its done it will notify you
4. Restart go into bios and reload defaults go back into bios after restart again
5. Unlock everything (whatever options you need) and boom enjoy

(also courtesy of brother JCordero31)

 

2. I couldn't get Sound Blaster Atlas to work on my machine either. I ended up using this awesome tool called EqualizerAPO to manually tune the audio myself. You can create your own equalizer profiles using the configurator.

 

3. I think those unknown devices have something to do with Intel's dynamic platform power management framework. I made a digital copy of the driver disk that zTecpc gave me with this laptop. This should contain every driver you need. I have uploaded the driver suite to google drive and you can access them here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v78phYDqCq5vTxhHbmmrmIYonU9cBv8B/view?usp=sharing

That's a killer write up @Clamibot. I'm going to link it in the launch page.

1 hour ago, Ashtrix said:

 

 

Greetings all, hope everyone had a great weekend !!

 

Horrible opening with BGA shilling to hell about how thin it is, absolute sad nonsense GARBAGE paired with Win11 and ChromeOS both being absolute dumpster class. Disgusting but yea, BGA mints cash AMD wants that like Intel, Ngreedia, crApple. We also have Azor the ex-Dellienware anti socketed pro BGA guy also comes to add his share of PR "Gamers looking for a Desktop like experience in a gaming laptop" "Alienware M17 R5" and also his BS about how thin these new BGA dumpsters are, hey please forget the throttling pile what it is lmao. 1/2 of the video is about BGA. Why not open with Desktop beast Zen 4 ? I digress.

 

Looks like they are adding some BIOS / Firmware level Direct Storage option like Smart Access Storage, more Microshaft propreitary garbage to BGA machines. I hope Vulkan have something, but anyways all this for Gaming is just mostly smoke and mirrors as it's mostly useful for consoles of 8th gen because they are having slow molasses storage. And game devs tailoring for them. I doubt there would be any sort of resource contention reduction like CPU cycles and GPU which will impact in higher performance with that DX Storage except for load times. That upcoming DOA Forspoken already demoed it with even SATA SSDs but they didn't put what's the loading speed without that option...moving on..

 

SKIP TO 17:35 to get to the actual Hardware

 

AM4 legacy is shown, no doubt it's a massive achievement even it it's flaws, I like it. So new IOD means I think all the existing nonsensical flaky chips in Zen 3 are things of past ?. No X3D stack on Zen 4, probably as we all know it's just an experiment for AMD.

 

 

Zen 4 - New IODie on TSMC 6N with iGPU (waste of space but yeah they want to get more SI orders and also streamline their pipeline probably). 5GHz+ sustained clocks. TSMC 5N node with higher TDP than Zen 3, 15% IPC growth and extra L2 Cache. Yep Cache is the future, Intel knew this with i7 5775C but axed it and made it only for Apple BGA. But AMD cashed on it on EPYC and X3D Gaming processor. And unfortunately no X3D Cache stack, probably AMD decided it's not worth for the extra heat and more cost and they need high speed clocks now.

 

 

 

New IO capabilities are very good, it's having 4 more CPU PCIe lanes over 12900K (20 CPU lanes) (which is same as of 11900K only PCIe link speed changed and Chipset with DMI), AM5's having dual chipset design. Ton of I/O here...ofc the new X670E Segmentation where they are having PCIe5.0 on all and they also say it's having more VRM components too. I feel this is a very bad point they added a segmentation on top Mobo now... Esp the fact is all boards have PCIe5.0 SSD M.2 and GPU X16 lanes slot. Wonder what the extra I/O would be.

 

So basically AM5's X670E gets an x4 speed PCIe5.0 SSD option on 12900K this has to be done on PCIe slot and not a direct option (meaning X16 GPU lane top slot will be X8 if using 5.0 SSD). I bet Z790 will be on par like this, since LGA1700 has 1800pins so easy for Intel to add more PCIe lanes to the RPL processors. Also insane I/O, I want to know what's the DMI link speed on X670. Z690 got PCIe4.0x8, X570 had PCIe4.0x4, Z590 with 11th gen was PCIe3.0x8 (Same as X570) and Z590 with 10th gen was PCIe3.0x4. But how much does PCIe5.0 SSD even do over PCIe 3.0 even lol in reality, I doubt many use SSDs to max, because if they do the DMI will be choked. Look at it, just 2x NVMe SSDs max throughput is enough to saturate the DMI on Z690. 

 

A shame how segmentation is coming, this marks HEDT death ? I hope not. Fingers crossed for Sapphire Rapids XEON.

 

Also Extreme Overclocking lol, how AMD will do the OC now is interesting, I want to see if AMD allows like Intel fixed high speed Clock on ALL CORES and not that PBO2 again and call the annoying Curve Optimizer BS and Voltage as OC. They are having new XMP rival though. Gotta see the battle in Fall 2022 🙂

 

5.5GHz clock rate is shown in the demo btw, that's a big achievement for AMD. Plus Blender workload is clearly shown as Zen 4 based pre-prod CPU is beating out 12900K by 31% in speed (the CPU is 7950X  as Lisa Su says both are 16C processors lol). No wonder Big Little gets destroyed by real Big Cores running at super fast speeds.

Like Intel, AMD knows the mobile market is still the largest growth vector and BGA is everywhere and very profitable on many levels to the detriment of those who want flexibility, upgrade ability and real cooling and powerful chassis.

As someone who runs multiple variants of Linux, I cringe when I see anything integrated hardware wise that even has a whiff of proprietary M$.

I do like that they said AM5 will have a very long socket shelf life. One thing you can't deny is AMD extracted everything out of their previous socket and you have very old systems being able to drop in a 5800X3D and have an immediate and massive upgrade.

It seems AMD has hit a wall with 16 cores but at least we're getting real cores and not this hybrid from Intel. It comes down to will the IPC and clock uplift of 7000 outduel the additional 8 E-Snores with RPL along with the cache upgrades and architectural refinements. I suspect Intel will still retain the overall IPC crown on P-Cores. No surprise it beats the 12900k by 31% on MT loads as even the 12900k barely outclassed the 5950x in MT loads.

I was overall impressed with AMDs new offerings and if they hold true (remember we're seeing a presentation presenting their 7000 series in the best light), they will be worthy contenders at lower TDP albeit that has been officially raised to 170w now (vs Intel 241w) but in real world usage and overclocking? All that will fly right out the window.

As for overclocking, I worked with PBO and CO for a bit before tossing it out the window and just overclocking using a traditional approach on my 5800X since PBO and CO were entirely too dependent on the type of load and had clocks all over the place including in games where you would shoot up to 5ghz and then throttle down to 4.4ghz in some situations. I preferred a fixed OC based on vcore and heat management.

If Intel delivers on HEDT (fingers crossed), I don't think AMD can ignore that (or they can to their own detriment).

4 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Sweet, will be glad to hear results. If anything practicing a delid on the 12600 is probably better than a good bin 12900k, it would be horrible to destroy a good one if an accident happened with the delid.

 

Oh, BTW, Clevo posted some updated drivers, here: https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_down.asp?lang=en Just select the NH55JNN model from the dropdown.

Updated the launch page with a link to drivers, thanks!

21 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

aight dudes, just ordered a copper IHS upgrade kit with rockit cool, incl delid/relid kit and that removal paste for the intel sTIM. i figured we will definitely use it several times, starting with the 12600 now and later on with a 12900K and raptor lake successors 🙂 even with the 12600 itll surely pay off, since at present im not able to let it stay full bore at 4.4 Ghz all core indefinitely. with 10-15C less that would be a LOT closer to a realistic implementation! ill likely not relid the cpu but just use the socket clamp to hold the copper IHS in place. Gallinstan between the die and copper iHS and Kryonaut between IHS and heatsink is the plan (nope, not taking any chances with liquid metal on top of IHS in a laptop!).

 

will update u guys once i got the kit in 🤠

Definitely looking at some delid/relid numbers but more importantly a flatter and ever so slightly taller IHS and results. 💪

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

i dont get it...the 5950X is SO frugal when it comes to power, can completely stretch its legs at 125W with stock clocks (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-5950x/19.html).

 

so why cripple it at 88W?!?! they already did that with the previous gen 3950X DTRs from Clevo, and now the same mistake again.... 125W is really not that much, a proper DTR should be able to take care of 150W for the CPU easily, if not more.... (as an example, the 5950X in the techpowerup review oced to 4.5 ghz all core draws 194W in multi threaded)

Agreed, I am perplexed why they neutered it so badly knowing a similar design PL like Intel would basically afford it all the headroom it needs to run at stock. That laptop with a full 125w PL or even 150w and the 5950x would smoke every laptop out there for multi. It can't touch the NHJ for single and 12th though even if full powered. Nothing can touch 12th gen right now.

As it stands now, if you're in the market for the best multi performance in a true desktop CPU the NHJ is top dog for a 15.6" form factor and the X170SM/KM for 17.3".

If the 5950x is working within spec and not subject to thermal throttling it will decimate the 10900k in multi and be darn close if not better in single but it won't because it is physically capped at 88w (yikes).

Here is a run on my X170SM-G with a 10900k running at stock tuned no overclock on anything.

The problem with the AMD laptop from XMG is the hardware is physically capped at 88w which limits the scores. That means the 5950x in it scores roughly the same as a stock 10900k (~16500k). Tuning the curve (which isn't a real OC as it is subject to load variants) nets. They even warn you the 5950x is not recommended for that model and you can see why. It will put an absolute pounding on its VRMs pushing them to max/cap under load everytime. The max  somewhat realistic chip for it is the 5900x which will give you less than 10900k stock performance. The best chip for it is the 5600x IMHO. They won't even offer a 5800X3D because it runs too hot and heavy for that chassis.

Again, the problem is the physical hardware limitations of an 88w cap. That just is a deal breaker in every aspect. Even Clevo's new 15.6" Socket 1700 laptop has a cap current cap of 125w and that is BIOS limited. It will probably open up to 150w max.

Even XMG recommends only a specific range of CPUs:

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Our recommended CPUs for XMG APEX 15 MAX include:

• AMD Ryzen 5 5600X desktop CPU | 6 cores/12 threads | 32 MB cache | max 88 W PPT

• AMD Ryzen 7 5700X desktop CPU | 8 cores/16 threads | 32 MB cache | max 88 W PPT

• AMD Ryzen 9 5900X desktop CPU | 12 cores/24 threads | 64 MB cache | max 88 W PPT (ECO Mode)

The best price/performance ratio is arguably in the AMD Ryzen 7 5700X.

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X is not recommended in XMG APEX 15 MAX unless the user is willing to manually adjust frequency/voltage curve and other manual optimizations in AMD Ryzen Master. Results might be prone to silicon lottery. XMG will not guarantee specific performance results.

System stability is only guaranteed when system runs at factory defaults, including the 4 performance profiles in Control Center: Power Saving, Quiet, Entertainment & Performance."

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21 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

The Eurocom bios is modified compared to the stock Clevo bios. Still not as much options as Prema, but more than Clevo offers by default.

 

@jaybee83 If you happen to decide to pick up a K series CPU, and dump the setup options for this older bios, and disable the overclocking lock, I would be curious if undervolting P-cache doesn't trigger a crash on your system.

 

The BGA HX chips aren't particularly special, if they were excellent bin's then it could score ~24000 CBR23 at 125W as well, correct?

Yep, 23k at 140w for the 12900hx vs 24k at 125w for a 12900k is a massive difference especially considering they pulled out all the stops with the vapor chamber and liquid metal to boot.

On 5/18/2022 at 7:57 AM, jaybee83 said:

looks like PCS customized version:

Bios - 1.07.01TPCS (dated 11-Jan-2022)

EC - 1.07.01

ME FW - 16.0.15.1620

 

could you re-confirm with your versions and dates for comparison?

 

heatplate contact should at least not be slanted, since the cpu cores are within 2-4C of each other in terms of temps. however, ill do another check to ensure that the plate is actually close enough to the HS to apply sufficient pressure.

 

no mux option in the bios, unfortunately. the bios is pretty barren overall, cant do much...

 

preliminary findings after some initial tuning attempts:

- Throttlestop will not let me do any voltage adjustments whatsoever, but i can tweak wattage limits a bit. highest ive seen so far was roughly 120W on the CPU (makes sense, Techpowerup's review of the 12600 noted a max power draw of 117W when wattage unlocked)

- I can also not do any multi adjustment via TS, only disable the turbo. this is very disappointing, since i usually use TS to artificially throttle the CPU when on battery to prolong system lifetime...

- I now have an idea why I am heat throttling so quickly: both cpu and gpu throttling limits seem to be set somewhere in the 80s C range, way too low to let the CPU stretch its legs properly. GPU however rarely even reaches 70C.

- Intel XTU will not even install on the system! apparently it is not compatible...

- no GPU core OC possible, i can only OC the vRAM. some quick testing revealed bench stable at +1500 Mhz, but +2000 Mhz crashed. looking good i would say! 😄

 

 

ha, this actually sounds like someone took a stock laptop and then modded it NBR / NBT style 😄 aside from the full BGA, well executed!

So it looks like Eurocom (as expected) as a customized BIOS version but PCS does too? Is there a "stock" Clevo version out there for comparison?

12600 is behaving exactly as expected especially after @win32asmguy's preliminary 12900 findings.

XTU might be auto rejecting the H series chipset whereas TS takes a, "come at me bro" approach.

Eurocom does tend to be a little more open with the BIOS than other companies at default

Hopefully Prema can get in there and work a little majick for you.

And yeah....Asus went HAM on the Strix Scar 12900HX full vapor chamber, liquid metal on both and k5 Pro aux applications. If money were no object and I could stomach a high end BGA CPU system, that would be it.

Nail in the coffin for anyone contemplating a KPE 3090ti and expecting/wanting a block for it from EVGA:

Nice overview and comparison to the original KPE 3090 board. With the 4000 series slated to be released by F2022, this may be a non starter.

45 minutes ago, Talon said:

After using the Artic 420mm AIO for a month, I have given up on it being better than my previous 280mm Corsair AIO and decided to try out Corsair again and decide on which to send back. 

 

I grabbed a Corsair H170i 420mm AIO "Open Box" on Amazon for a significant discount figuring I could send it back if it was truly defective. It arrived this afternoon and it was BRAND NEW. I think someone returned the item after deciding against it. The factory seal had never been broken and all parts inside the box were still factory wrapped and still had the factory thermal material on the cold plate. Unreal deal!  I quickly swapped out the coolers, but not before doing some testing pre and post new cooler. 

 

The Artic Liquid Freezer for my setup is decidedly worse. Same thermal paste was used. Same ambient temps controlled with AC. Both kits were using their respective LGA 1700 Kit. The Corsair cooler even had it's gamer boy, hello kitty LCD upgrade attachment which can't help temps. The difference is shocking. 

 

Artic 420mm AIO - 

 

 

Corsair 420mm AIO - 

Arctic's issue has been and will continue to be the convenience and downfall of an integrated pump control but even compared against my EVGA CLC 280 and 360 it wasn't a stand out winner but it is much quieter under load and responds better to lower rpm fans than the EVGA due to its thicker fin stacks.

You might be at a point where building out a basic custom loop just for the CPU will yield you optimal results. It is what I'm going to do next time around just for the CPU with a 360mm or 420mm, D5, flexible tubing and QDCs. Once in place, it should be superior to any AIO on the market and not too expensive. I already picked up a 360mm rad that's sitting on the shelf that's 20 fpi rated and looks competent enough for an initial build out.

Finally a "final boss" version of the 12950HX chip

Asus Strix Scar 17 SE is a monster with the 12950HX chip:

CB23 = 22918 pulling 140w with no throttling. Full vapor chamber for CPU and GPU and liquid metal on both. Looks like they're using K5 Pro too.

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

It would make sense if they presented it as an "overclock" or "Super" (I don't like NVIDIA's choice of words here, but it's in the right train of thought)  rather than a new/different product. Pretending that it is something new seems more deceptive. Nobody is going to complain about paying more for a "superclocked" GPU, and they already expect to pay more for that.

The memory modules are new, some of the boards have been redesigned to handle more pull and heat and many have new cooler designs that are bigger and beefier. What was previously select "binned" chips for a select list of models are now the core basis for the 6950xt too but yeah I get it.

5 minutes ago, Reciever said:

 

Its basically the weird gray area between re-badge and refresh.

 

Same chip, faster memory. Does it help? Sure. Is it worth pursuing? not really. Even for mining as of currently it has about the same as the 5700xt, though I suppose it needs some time to mature.

 

I still want a 6900xt but my finances and opportunities just didnt line up this time around.

Agreed, plus it depends on your criteria and where you plant yourself in upgrade cycles. 

For example if you've been a, "I'll get a K|NGP|N and that's that," knowing you have the best EVGA has to offer for that generation and ride it to the next generation; well now you had your world upended as EVGA for the first time will have two different KPE models within the same generation to reflect Nvidia for the first time quite a long time having been pushed to the wall with AMD breathing down their necks with rasterization performance that is trading blows with the 3090 AND 3090ti depending on titles and resolution.

Now we see reports of Nvidia doing the same shenanigans and releasing "close but no cigar" to their top silicon next gen 4090 and if you want the best of the best then you will have to wait for eventual 4090ti and THEN wait even longer for EVGA's KPE 4090ti unless EVGA is comfortable releasing 2x KPEs again which means if it were me I would wait till the very end of the cycle and upgrade to the best again....

.....or you just upgrade each (or every other) cycle to the x080 model.

Or money is no object and in the moment you buy the best regardless of what's coming up because you're a Rockerfeller and that's how you roll.....

Say what you want about AMD but they didn't hold anything back from the jump.

I didn't realize the shroud on the KPE 3090ti was going to be solid metal for the first time. This should look sleek and ergonomically pleasing...

18 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

aight, i figured before i forget all the thicknesses lets do this real quick 😛

here we go (numbers indicate mm thickness):

 

1 and 4 mm are "native" pads, whereas for 2mm i just stacked 1mm pads, works just fine 🙂 blues are arctic, light grey is fujipoly extreme 17W/mK and dark grey is Phobya Ultra. in case youre wondering, i prioritized the leftover fujipoly extreme pads for the gpu vRAM and then switched to arctic (performance wise, arctic lies between fujipoly 11 and 14 W/mK) once i ran out 😄

 

here some additional pics, first up the overview after disassembly and cleaning:

unfortunately, tri-pod assembly for the gpu cold plate 🙄 but the cooling system itself looks quite robust and capable, looking forward to stress testing it!

 

here a close up of GPU, CPU and power delivery:

shiny! 😁

 

lastly, the stock arrangement of thermal pads, cheap-ass stuff which wasnt even properly covering all compoents its supposed to cool:

 

rule of thumb for proper thermal pad application: DO NOT cut and place the thermal pads based on the cooling plate but rather on the ACTUAL COMPONENTS being cooled! most times the cold plate is a bit shorter than the component and thus doesnt cover it whole, so best to at least cut and place the pads in such a way that they cover the whole component. better than parts of them being left "naked" and not being heatsinked at all.

example: look at the image directly above, notice how the thermal pad on the lower right corner (behind the stamped date) is only covering "one and a half" vRAM modules? yep, so basically half of one vRAM module was left completely naked with that setup. compare that to the equivalent vRAM chips shown on the first picture after repadding, theyre all properly and completely covered.

 

aight, nuff said for now, off to dreamland!

 

cheers guys

Absolutely fantastic post bro! Definitely some classic Clevo inconsistencies as always. Looking forward to the thermal testing and scores both CPU and GPU.

14 hours ago, joluke said:

yes i am. should arrive this tuesday (17th of May)

 

 

regarding Eurocom i contacted them asking if i needed to purchase a new heatsink to which they offered me a huge discount on one from the P775TM1-G that fits my P775DM3-G and its designed to RTX GPU's! So i will get the gpu and the heatsink in a single package

One thing I will give Eurocom credit for is they do continue to offer complete GPU upgrades when they are available including everything you need from the proper BIOS to the screws, heatsink, thermal pads and of course the card itself.