*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

59 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's going to vary some based on a variety of conditions. The higher you clock the memory and the tighter you make the primary timings the more tREFI has potential to cause instability. Higher tREFI also takes more voltage  Luumi has a couple of good DDR5 videos that touch on this. Even if you can't get it to pass memory tests without errors, I have generally found it stable enough for benching when it is maxed out. I've seen some difference from one memory set to the next.

Are you getting a random brand new untested 13900K? Or is it pre-binned?

 

One more thing, this MSI Unify-X is a freaking beast. One of the best motherboards I have used in a long time. I don’t know where to start, working debug LED’s is one lol. But it even includes temp sensors as well for the water. Not to mention stability in general is really top notch so far. It’s even turning my fans at a faster RPM. Usually when I plug in (10) fans in to one single pwm plug the RPM’s were never the highest on EVGA motherboards. This board doesn’t care. I was really jumping the gun before even using it, looking at other options. When in reality this board is really amazing. 

[johnksss]

6 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Are you getting a random brand new untested 13900K? Or is it pre-binned?

 

One more thing, this MSI Unify-X is a freaking beast. One of the best motherboards I have used in a long time. I don’t know where to start, working debug LED’s is one lol. But it even includes temp sensors as well for the water. Not to mention stability in general is really top notch so far. It’s even turning my fans at a faster RPM. Usually when I plug in (10) fans in to one single pwm plug the RPM’s were never the highest on EVGA motherboards. This board doesn’t care. I was really jumping the gun before even using it, looking at other options. When in reality this board is really amazing. 

I would watch that trying to run a gazillon fans on 1 header.... You might be sorry for it later.....

[Reciever]

11 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I would watch that trying to run a gazillon fans on 1 header.... You might be sorry for it later.....

Even I was nervous for attaching 3 to one header on my x570 itx board 

[electrosoft]

30 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I would watch that trying to run a gazillon fans on 1 header.... You might be sorry for it later.....

 

17 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Even I was nervous for attaching 3 to one header on my x570 itx board 

 

I max at 2 per header. I usually put a powered hub (or two) in my cases just because.... 🙂

 

Exception being the 6 fans being controlled by my KPE 3090ti.

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

53 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Are you getting a random brand new untested 13900K? Or is it pre-binned?

It is brand new from Chicago Micro Center. If the binning is no good it will get exchanged for a better one or I will get my money back.  Once that is settled, I will move the 12900KS to my work computer and sell the golden 12900K in the work computer to offset the cost of the 13900K.

  

53 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Usually when I plug in (10) fans in to one single pwm plug the RPM’s were never the highest on EVGA motherboards.

46 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I would watch that trying to run a gazillon fans on 1 header.... You might be sorry for it later.....

33 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Even I was nervous for attaching 3 to one header on my x570 itx board 

That is very much a no-no. Good way to kill a mobo, or burn up a fan controller. A single Delta fan is enough to kill it.

 

@tps3443don't risk it. It's not worth it when $10 is enough insurance. It will get power from SATA and only use the speed control from the mobo. https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Case-Fan-Hub-Distributor/dp/B0887VG14J/ref=sr_1_3?crid=IBF6J65W1NOV (This can handle a maximum of 1.0A per fan port. Most fans are less than 0.5A each.)

[Papusan]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is brand new from Chicago Micro Center. If the binning is no good it will get exchanged for a better one or I will get my money back.  Once that is settled, I will move the 12900KS to my work computer and sell the golden 12900K in the work computer to offset the cost of the 13900K.

  

That is very much a no-no. Good way to kill a mobo, or burn up a fan controller. A single Delta fan is enough to kill it.

 

@tps3443don't risk it. It's not worth it when $10 is enough insurance. It will get power from SATA and only use the speed control from the mobo. https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Case-Fan-Hub-Distributor/dp/B0887VG14J/ref=sr_1_3?crid=IBF6J65W1NOV (This can handle a maximum of 1.0A per fan port. Most fans are less than 0.5A each.)

I have also fan hubs. Also the command center from Corsair. But I really love have a few of these lying in the drawer. For powering 4 fans and then connect one of the connector to the MB. And I use only one fan for each MB fan header. Even for the high amp fan header (3 Amp). No need to max them out.  

[Mr. Fox]

27 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I have also fan hubs. Also the command center from Corsair. But I really love have a few of these lying in the drawer. For powering 4 fans and then connect one of the connector to the MB. And I use only one fan for each MB fan header. Even for the high amp fan header (3 Amp). No need to max them out.  

Yes, I use those as well. They are very handy, and I always keep spares in case I ever need them.

 

I also use these. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0975XH3JS (new and improved design)

 

 

 

[Papusan]

34 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, I use those as well. They are very handy, and I always keep spares in case I ever need them.

 

I also use these. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0975XH3JS (new and improved design)

 

 

 

I have also a couple of these  I have huge space on the backside of the chassis so out of sight. Not so pretty but theiy do the job. A lot cheaper than fried fan headers🙂 And I use only power hungry 3000 rpm fans, so.... Two of them connected and you are near the MB's fan headers power limit (1 Amp). And I can't connect more than one of the 140mm Noctua 3000 rpm fans on the MB header due the power draw. Two of them will surpass the Amp limit. 

 

 

[tps3443]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, I use those as well. They are very handy, and I always keep spares in case I ever need them.

 

I also use these. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0975XH3JS (new and improved design)

 

 

 

I have some Sata ones laying around somewhere, I’ll switch over to them though. I thought these newer boards had really capable PWM headers though. This Unify-X is 24-36 watts 2-3 amps “Depending on the PWM location” for just one pwm plug. Some boards are upwards of 40 watts I believe. The pump PWM header is rated at 36 watts on the Unify-X. 

 

Anyways, that’s great you got a 13900K. Great CPU. Hopefully you’ve got a great sample coming!

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I have also fan hubs. Also the command center from Corsair. But I really love have a few of these lying in the drawer. For powering 4 fans and then connect one of the connector to the MB. And I use only one fan for each MB fan header. Even for the high amp fan header (3 Amp). No need to max them out.  

 

I re-mounted my CPU block, took my time this go around, turned off the water chiller, crossed my fingers, then prayed really hard, knocked on wood, then ran R23 LOL. It was still SUB 340 watts, just barely though. I’m only seeing about 7-8 watt difference with it on or off. I’m thinking the largest difference will be Delidding this monster and running a bare die. Temps right now with no chiller are hitting 95C on the hottest core during R23. 

[Etern4l]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is brand new from Chicago Micro Center. If the binning is no good it will get exchanged for a better one or I will get my money back.  Once that is settled, I will move the 12900KS to my work computer and sell the golden 12900K in the work computer to offset the cost of the 13900K.

 

 

How did you catch wind of this? Sounds like an offer you couldn't refuse... 😉

 

4 hours ago, Reciever said:

Even I was nervous for attaching 3 to one header on my x570 itx board 

 

Don't boards specify max power per fan header? That would eliminate worry and guesswork.

[Mr. Fox]

48 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

How did you catch wind of this? Sounds like an offer you couldn't refuse... 😉

Same place that @johnksssand @Talon purchased theirs with the same 2-year Micro Center warranty. 

 

@tps3443 - this is what I was referring to before about correcting the high PCH temperatures. I showed this to you once a long time ago, but in case you did not remember. See this post and change from "disabled" to "auto" and they should dramatically drop. If MSI changed the defaults to "auto" in the new BIOS you may not need to do that.

 

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/crazy-pch-temperature-on-z690-carbon.370039/post-2096947

[Etern4l]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I do, but naked DDR5 sticks run cool enough with a fan blowing on them. I think the errors occur at lower temperatures as clock speed increases. It seems that way based on my own experience.

 

That would make sense. Density would be another obvious factor - lower capacity modules almost surely run cooler.

[jaybee83]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes. With 2 year warranty from MC it was cheaper than from NewEgg without a warranty and an icky "no refund - exchange only" policy. That is great news about the memory. Amazing how different CPU generation can be using the same mobo and memory. That is wonderful. Samsung B-die goes another round with the Titans!

---

And, as a friendly reminder that the leaders of our industry are crooked, lying, worthless bastards, here is a screenshot to bring us back to a correct understand of who these losers are. (Some of you have already seen this before.)

 

Windows 7 is installed in UEFI mode and no CSM enabled (which is supposedly "impossible" - even EVGA Precision X1 assumes it's not because "it can't be" LOL) and the "Windows 10 only" Adjustable Bar feature is enabled in the BIOS and in Windows. So much for the nonsense and fake compatibility baloney. Join me in offering up another nasty finger salute to the Redmond Retards and the Green Goblin.

 

 

make sure that brother @Talondoesnt just give u the worst binned of his lot 😄 

crazy stuff how far uve pushed win7, are u sure u wouldnt be able to do the same for the 4090? 😉

 

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If it does truly lock it then it absolutely will help. Samsung B-die, SK Hynix and Micron all overclock higher with added voltage. You know this already because you're used to spending lots of time overclocking Samsung B-die on DDR4 sticks and you have seen how things don't work if you don't give the RAM enough voltage.

 

Be sure to monitor the temperatures because those high clock speeds will actually fry your memory. DDR5 gets much hotter than DDR4 did. You'll also start to see errors running memory tests before the RAM gets hot enough to damage it. Errors begin to surface around 45-50°C and an unstable overclock can often become stable below 40°C. A fan blowing on them helps tremendously.

Good question. If I had to guess I would say probably so, but that's just speculation.

 

thx for those temp ranges, was actually wondering about that when i was monitoring DDR temps recently. currently in the low 50s under load, but my case airflow is not up to snuff yet, still work in progress.

 

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

I have also a couple of these  I have huge space on the backside of the chassis so out of sight. Not so pretty but theiy do the job. A lot cheaper than fried fan headers🙂 And I use only power hungry 3000 rpm fans, so.... Two of them connected and you are near the MB's fan headers power limit (1 Amp). And I can't connect more than one of the 140mm Noctua 3000 rpm fans on the MB header due the power draw. Two of them will surpass the Amp limit. 

 

 

 

kool, thats good info. will come in handy once i get the Noctua IPPC3000 sorted out for my rad. id have to check again, but iirc the fan headers on my X670E mobo should be powerful enough to sport of these per header. but even if not, i still got an additional hub that came with the case, so all good 🙂 

[Papusan]

Let the smoke game begin🙂 Within a year and this will be a nightmare for NVIDIA. Maybe nvidia should start offer an 90-Degree Angled 16-Pin Connector for free? Small sff chassis will be more and more popular (they are alredy). Domed for smoke and fire 🙂

 

 

Melted RTX 4090 16-pin Adapter: Bad Luck or the First of Many?
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-4090-first-melted-adapter-cable

 

 

[Talon]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

make sure that brother @Talondoesnt just give u the worst binned of his lot 😄 

crazy stuff how far uve pushed win7, are u sure u wouldnt be able to do the same for the 4090? 😉

 

😄 He's getting a factory sealed 13900K haha. It was staring at me on the desk last night, mocking me saying how it's an SP120. 🤪 Shipped it off to him this morning, he should have it Thursday according to the nice lady at the front desk. 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Let the smoke game begin🙂 Within a year and this will be a nightmare for NVIDIA. Maybe nvidia should start offer an 90-Degree Angled 16-Pin Connector for free? Small sff chassis will be more and more popular (they are alredy). Domed for smoke and fire 🙂

 

 

Melted RTX 4090 16-pin Adapter: Bad Luck or the First of Many?
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-4090-first-melted-adapter-cable

 

 

More power via smallest conceivable connector. What could go wrong? 

 

Quote

Nothing. Nothing at all. Of course.

 

[Ashtrix]

About the fan splitters I found this one too.

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077YHLDSP

 

I was about to buy something like this  but since the mobo headers can take 2x Noctua NF-A12's I left the idea of having such, maybe If I need to use Noctua PPC Industrial like @Papusan It would be handy. 

 

Personally I do not like to have Corsair or any other controllers which rely on the software esp RGB junk mandates such controllers. Just mobo should be handling this at low level without any OS or Software dependency, so options are good to have.

 

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Let the smoke game begin🙂 Within a year and this will be a nightmare for NVIDIA. Maybe nvidia should start offer an 90-Degree Angled 16-Pin Connector for free? Small sff chassis will be more and more popular (they are alredy). Domed for smoke and fire 🙂

 

 

Melted RTX 4090 16-pin Adapter: Bad Luck or the First of Many?
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-4090-first-melted-adapter-cable

 

 

 

 

Nvidia is a trash company.

Experimenting always with every damn generation be it SW / HW / Uber trash pricing rip off BS.

 

Initial leaks on Radeon RDNA3 PCB showed the usual tried and tested rock solid 8-Pin power connectors for GPU and not this one. Gotta see what AMD will unleash, I bet their GPUs are much more efficient than Nvidia's 600W GPUs with melting power connectors.

 

Legit this stuff is brand new shiny and appealing to many but the new ATX 3.0 PSU standard (Still not popular and only handful exist that too with compromises) and the new GPU 12VHPWR hamfisted power connector standard atop of the new PCIe5.0 SSDs, DDR5. Too much new stuff. I'd rather stick to old (which is what I did at-least 1/2 way) and move to new when it comes a standard and not be a guinea pig to these companies.

 

With Intel LGA1700 need to buy an aftermarket CPU retention bracket to stop bending the damn mobo and CPU, with Nvidia buy 90 Degree aftermarket power connectors to stop a fire hazard that could burn your home / PC and pray it doesn't break.

 

PCIe5.0 SSDs are still damn 1-2TB and 4TB max (exorbitant pricing incoming) and they will offer extreme prices too for basically nothing. PCIe4.0 SSD drives were super expensive for a whole year at rip off pricing.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

make sure that brother @Talondoesnt just give u the worst binned of his lot 😄 

He would not do that to me, or anyone else, without full disclosure and letting them decided if that is OK.

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

😄 He's getting a factory sealed 13900K haha. It was staring at me on the desk last night, mocking me saying how it's an SP120. 🤪 Shipped it off to him this morning, he should have it Thursday according to the nice lady at the front desk. 

Looking forward to getting it. Crossing my fingers. I already flashed the 13th Gen update to the Strix D4 to check the SP rating before moving it to the Z690 Dark.

 

Now I am wishing I had not purchased a DDR4 mobo, but can't cry over spilled milk. It is what it is. It's actually a good mobo, just limited on RAM clocking. It can't overclock DDR4 as well as the Z490 mobos I used these same modules in. They were stable at 4500 on Z490 Strix and Dark. Now they are only bootable at 4200, stable at 4000 on the D4 for some weird reason.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

😄 He's getting a factory sealed 13900K haha. It was staring at me on the desk last night, mocking me saying how it's an SP120. 🤪 Shipped it off to him this morning, he should have it Thursday according to the nice lady at the front desk. 

 

lol, it might end up like @Mr. Fox when he shipped that brand new 11900k to @tps3443 and he ended up with an absolute god tier 11900k....

 

 

19 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

About the fan splitters I found this one too.

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077YHLDSP

 

I was about to buy something like this  but since the mobo headers can take 2x Noctua NF-A12's I left the idea of having such, maybe If I need to use Noctua PPC Industrial like @Papusan It would be handy. 

 

Personally I do not like to have Corsair or any other controllers which rely on the software esp RGB junk mandates such controllers. Just mobo should be handling this at low level without any OS or Software dependency, so options are good to have.

 

 

 

 

Nvidia is a trash company.

Experimenting always with every damn generation be it SW / HW / Uber trash pricing rip off BS.

 

Initial leaks on Radeon RDNA3 PCB showed the usual tried and tested rock solid 8-Pin power connectors for GPU and not this one. Gotta see what AMD will unleash, I bet their GPUs are much more efficient than Nvidia's 600W GPUs with melting power connectors.

 

Legit this stuff is brand new shiny and appealing to many but the new ATX 3.0 PSU standard (Still not popular and only handful exist that too with compromises) and the new GPU 12VHPWR hamfisted power connector standard atop of the new PCIe5.0 SSDs, DDR5. Too much new stuff. I'd rather stick to old (which is what I did at-least 1/2 way) and move to new when it comes a standard and not be a guinea pig to these companies.

 

With Intel LGA1700 need to buy an aftermarket CPU retention bracket to stop bending the damn mobo and CPU, with Nvidia buy 90 Degree aftermarket power connectors to stop a fire hazard that could burn your home / PC and pray it doesn't break.

 

PCIe5.0 SSDs are still damn 1-2TB and 4TB max (exorbitant pricing incoming) and they will offer extreme prices too for basically nothing. PCIe4.0 SSD drives were super expensive for a whole year at rip off pricing.

 

 

 

I keep 2 or 3 fan splitters on hand at all times. I have a large bin labeled, "PC buildout gunk" and it is stuffed with fans, hubs, splitters, GPU stand offs, all types of esoteric cabling and more....

 

As for AMD, just looking at the gains from RDNA to RDNA2 along with the sheer increase in CUs alone from RDNA2 to RDNA3, I'm expecting great things.

 

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

He would not do that to me, or anyone else, without full disclosure and letting them decided if that is OK.

Looking forward to getting it. Crossing my fingers. I already flashed the 13th Gen update to the Strix D4 to check the SP rating before moving it to the Z690 Dark.

 

Now I am wishing I had not purchased a DDR4 mobo, but can't cry over spilled milk. It is what it is. It's actually a good mobo, just limited on RAM clocking. It can't overclock DDR4 as well as the Z490 mobos I used these same modules in. They were stable at 4500 on Z490 Strix and Dark. Now they are only bootable at 4200, stable at 4000 on the D4 for some weird reason.

 

That's the luck of the motherboard with Z690 DDR4. As a test, have you tried going into G2 to eliminate the CPU as the potential bottleneck and see how far you can push your DDR4? Does it still cap at 4000? I know my board can push 4200+ and I run it rock solid at 4133 daily but I still didn't go in there yet and test it in G2 just to see where the memory/motherboard gives up the ghost.

 

 

[Papusan]

41 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

With Intel LGA1700 need to buy an aftermarket CPU retention bracket to stop bending the damn mobo and CPU, with Nvidia buy 90 Degree aftermarket power connectors to stop a fire hazard that could burn your home / PC and pray it doesn't break.

Nvidia could have made the connector bigger and more reliable. But everything has to be so damn small and cute nowadays. And why make it with only 6 power pins? Damn stupid engineering.

 

(they could even offer an 90 degrees adapter in the package). But that would increase the prices further above an already disgusting price tag. They just can't reduce profits as you know. 

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

lol, it might end up like @Mr. Fox when he shipped that brand new 11900k to @tps3443 and he ended up with an absolute god tier 11900k....

That is what I am praying happens. Seems like the right thing to happen.

10 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

That's the luck of the motherboard with Z690 DDR4. As a test, have you tried going into G2 to eliminate the CPU as the potential bottleneck and see how far you can push your DDR4? Does it still cap at 4000? I know my board can push 4200+ and I run it rock solid at 4133 daily but I still didn't go in there yet and test it in G2 just to see where the memory/motherboard gives up the ghost.

Yes, I have. I have spent hours trying different things, including that. It is definitely something with the mobo. Even my custom 4500 XMP profile that ran as smooth as silk on the Z490 Prime, Z490 Strix, Z590 Dark, Z490 Dark is unbootable. It never trains and dumps me back on the boot screen with the F1 option to try something else.

[Etern4l]

34 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

 

 

Nvidia is a trash company.

Experimenting always with every damn generation be it SW / HW / Uber trash pricing rip off BS.

 

 

 

Didn't they use almost the same connectors for the 3090 Ti? There is one regression though - the 3090 Ti connector is angled to reduce bend (on the FE).

Also the connector is supposed to be industry standard, rather than Nvidia's sole invention. Perhaps something went wrong during manufacturing of Nvidia's specific adapter? The problem is that there are almost no PSUs natively supporting 12VHPWR, so we won't really know for a while.

 

Anyway, all moot for me - no availability in these sunlit uplands, could be for the best lol

[Ashtrix]

  

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Nvidia could have made the connector bigger and more reliable. But everything has to be so damn small and cute nowadays. And why make it with only 6 power pins? Damn stupid engineering.

 

(they could even offer an 90 degrees adapter in the package). But that would increase the prices further above an already disgusting price tag. They just can't reduce profits as you know. 

 

I think Nvidia rushed things hard. While Ampere was in development the new ATX 3.0 spec was probably being created and they jumped into the thing fast and created the 12 Pin for 3000 series first which was totally 100% proprietary, also they rushed it to the market cashing in on the GPU shortage and mining later released the full card with 12VHPWR connector with 12 pins active 4 sense pins being inactive.

 

Remember Ampere series blowing up hard then Nvidia had to update the Drivers. Then they had another fallout with the MLCC caps thing, then again later with Amazon's New World GPUs started blowing up again all of them high power draw and etc power related spikes.

  

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Didn't they use almost the same connectors for the 3090 Ti? There is one regression though - the 3090 Ti connector is angled to reduce bend (on the FE).

Also the connector is supposed to be industry standard, rather than Nvidia's sole invention. Perhaps something went wrong during manufacturing of Nvidia's specific adapter? The problem is that there are almost no PSUs natively supporting 12VHPWR, so we won't really know for a while.

 

Anyway, all moot for me - no availability in these sunlit uplands, could be for the best lol

 

Yep, 3090Ti uses Sense pins making it 16 pin up from 12 pin (proprietary not compatible with new connector) for 3090, but those 4 are not used, the PCB is capped so has them shorted,

 

Yep nice observation, all Ampere cards had them in angled including 3090 but 3090Ti doesn't so it also has same issue. Which is why CableMod's 90 Degree custom cable is same for both 3090Ti and 4080. 4090 is separate because it needs more 8 Pin adapters than 3090Ti / 4080 class.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is what I am praying happens. Seems like the right thing to happen.

Yes, I have. I have spent hours trying different things, including that. It is definitely something with the mobo. Even my custom 4500 XMP profile that ran as smooth as silk on the Z490 Prime, Z490 Strix, Z590 Dark, Z490 Dark is unbootable. It never trains and dumps me back on the boot screen with the F1 option to try something else.

 

Hopefully good stuff on the 13th gen....

 

And just a dud (ish) MB for memory then. Harkens back to the early days of Z690 fishing through motherboards and lamenting the lack of a 2 slot DDR4 motherboard.

 

Post by Sugi regarding SP bug reports:

 

 

I'm still on 1601 as I haven't found a reason to update but if/when a 13th gen chip miraculously wills itself into existence for my D4, I'll make sure to upgrade. 😉

 

 

[electrosoft]

Looks like the upcoming AMD flagship is going to be a the 7900XTX not 7950XT....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rumored-to-launch-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-graphics-card

 

Look at those uplifts to SPs, bus and bandwidth.....

 

Considering the 6900xt was equal or better than the 3090 at 1080p and 1440p and was hanging in there at 4k I'm expecting a monster from AMD for raster at least...