*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

On 11/5/2022 at 11:44 PM, Mr. Fox said:

 

OK, here is an update. I remember Igor's Lab testing a "sausage" with a more viscous paste versus spreading a creamier paste like MX-4 or KPX and he found better results using a really thick thermal compound down the middle of a GPU core in a straight line. So, just for shiggles, I thought why not. Instead of using KPX or MX-4 (both of which I tested already after finding before and after temps the same) and Phobya Nanogrease Extreme, I grabbed a free tube of the TF7 from the CPU contact frame kit. I put a straight line down the middle, and I also followed what Igor suggested with the GPU and did not go in a criss-cross pattern. I snugged down all four nuts until they made contact with the block while pressing down in the middle. Then I tightened two on one side first, then two on the other side. I also noticed that I had forgotten to disable V-Core Guardband in the BIOS. So, I did that, too. While my V-Core setting remains the same, disabling Intel Guardband prevents the VID from increasing and keeps VID and V-Core at or near the same value. Don't know that it matters, and I think it actually doesn't matter because VID is not the real voltage going to the CPU. But, I like seeing the VID and V-Core values resembling one another rather than the CPU "thinking" it needs more voltage than it really does and fibbing about it with a bogus VID value.

 

So, here we go... same stress test... ready... wait for it...

Spoiler

*BOOM* No meaningful change, LOL. 🤣🤣😆 Yes, Guardband disabled and VID is lots lower, but it makes no difference. V-Core does, because that is the real voltage.

- KPX, MX-4, Phoyba Nanogrease, TF-7... spread or sausage... all the same... before and after delid -

 

...see you tomorrow, fellas.

[electrosoft]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK, here is an update. I remember Igor's Lab testing a "sausage" with a more vicous paste versus spreading a creamier paste like MX-4 or KPX and he found better results using a really thick thermal compound down the middle of a GPU core in a straight line. So, just for shiggles, I thought why not. Instead of using KPX or MX-4 (both of which I tested already after finding before and after temps the same) and Phobya Nanogrease Extreme, I grabbed a free tube of the TF7 from the CPU contact frame kit. I put a straight line down the middle, and I also followed what Igor suggested with the GPU and did not go in a criss-cross pattern. I snugged down all four nuts until they made contact with the block while pressing down in the middle. Then I tightened two on one side first, then two on the other side. I also noticed that I had forgotten to disable V-Core Guardband in the BIOS. So, I did that, too. While my V-Core setting remains the same, disabling Intel Guardband prevents the VID from increasing and keeps VID and V-Core at or near the same value. Don't know that it matters, and I think it actually doesn't matter because VID is not the real voltage going to the CPU. But, I like seeing the VID and V-Core values resembling one another rather than the CPU "thinking" it needs more voltage than it really does and fibbing about it with a bogus VID value.

 

So, here we go... same stress test... ready... wait for it...

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*BOOM* No meaningful change, LOL. 🤣🤣😆 Yes, Guardband disabled and VID is lots lower, but it makes no difference. V-Core does, because that is the real voltage.

- KPX, MX-4, Phoyba Nanogrease, TF-7... spread or sausage... all the same... before and after delid -

 

...see you tomorrow, fellas.

 

The build up and suspense...even including a collapsed spoiler window for a big 'ole nothing burger......

 

 

.....well played. 🙂

 

 

[tps3443]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK, here is an update. I remember Igor's Lab testing a "sausage" with a more vicous paste versus spreading a creamier paste like MX-4 or KPX and he found better results using a really thick thermal compound down the middle of a GPU core in a straight line. So, just for shiggles, I thought why not. Instead of using KPX or MX-4 (both of which I tested already after finding before and after temps the same) and Phobya Nanogrease Extreme, I grabbed a free tube of the TF7 from the CPU contact frame kit. I put a straight line down the middle, and I also followed what Igor suggested with the GPU and did not go in a criss-cross pattern. I snugged down all four nuts until they made contact with the block while pressing down in the middle. Then I tightened two on one side first, then two on the other side. I also noticed that I had forgotten to disable V-Core Guardband in the BIOS. So, I did that, too. While my V-Core setting remains the same, disabling Intel Guardband prevents the VID from increasing and keeps VID and V-Core at or near the same value. Don't know that it matters, and I think it actually doesn't matter because VID is not the real voltage going to the CPU. But, I like seeing the VID and V-Core values resembling one another rather than the CPU "thinking" it needs more voltage than it really does and fibbing about it with a bogus VID value.

 

So, here we go... same stress test... ready... wait for it...

  Hide contents

*BOOM* No meaningful change, LOL. 🤣🤣😆 Yes, Guardband disabled and VID is lots lower, but it makes no difference. V-Core does, because that is the real voltage.

- KPX, MX-4, Phoyba Nanogrease, TF-7... spread or sausage... all the same... before and after delid -

 

...see you tomorrow, fellas.

So all CPU’s have a voltage variation idle or load depending on the cpu. With that EVGA voltage guard band enabled it will apply the idle and load voltages that the cpu calls for based on how good its silicon is or bad it is. If the voltage guard band is disabled it will apply the bare minimum voltage that a 13900K needs to run. So with it disabled it will apply a lower voltage at idle, and under load. It’s a really nice feature on EVGA motherboards. 

[electrosoft]

And the Lawyer "fact finding" part of the 4090 class action sniffing about starts....

 

This popped up on my Facebook:

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

Apparently EVGA made ~20 4090 Prototypes and GN has one now too for a true breakdown:

 

 

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Apparently EVGA made ~20 4090 Prototypes and GN has one now too for a true breakdown:

 

 

Yep, the second nail in the coffin! Framechasers is on fire right about now. 🤣

[Etern4l]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

And the Lawyer "fact finding" part of the 4090 class action sniffing about starts....

 

This popped up on my Facebook:

 

 

 

 

Lawyers always win 😉

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Lawyers always win 😉

50% of the time. What varies is whether they are the plaintiff or defendant. For every winner there is a loser. In some venues the bad guys usually win, while in other venues the opposite is true. In either case, the outcome is a direct  reflection of the heart and mindset of the people that live there.

[tps3443]

I plugged a long Ethernet cable in to my computer from my wife’s work computer. So I could provide internet access to her system. Well, right after I plugged this Ethernet cable in it began liquifying the rubber housing on the Ethernet cable, I couldn’t unplug it because it was now stuck inside of the Ethernet port. My Unity-X started getting really really really hot in the I/O area. Then in the moment of panic and imagining cooking 13900K’s my PC completely shutdown on me, then I realized my chiller LCD was shut off too. I lost power to half the house as well.
 

I flipped the breakers off and back on, and fortunately my PC survived this ordeal with no loss in function. Even that Ethernet port still works with some heavy burn marks on the side of the inner port. The Ethernet cable has metal around the plastic housing, so it looks like it touched metal to metal and grounded something I’m not sure. 
 

Anyone know WTH may have happen here though? 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I plugged a long Ethernet cable in to my computer from my wife’s work computer. So I could provide internet access to her system. Well, right after I plugged this Ethernet cable in it began liquifying the rubber housing on the Ethernet cable, I couldn’t unplug it because it was now stuck inside of the Ethernet port. My Unity-X started getting really really really hot in the I/O area. Then in the moment of panic and imagining cooking 13900K’s my PC completely shutdown on me, then I realized my chiller LCD was shut off too. I lost power to half the house as well.
 

I flipped the breakers off and back on, and fortunately my PC survived this ordeal with no loss in function. Even that Ethernet port still works with some heavy burn marks on the side of the inner port. The Ethernet cable has metal around the plastic housing, so it looks like it touched metal to metal and grounded something I’m not sure. 
 

Anyone know WTH may have happen here though? 

Wow, that is nuts. NO IDEA. So happy you didn't lose your PC or golden 13900K in the process. Thank the Lord for that.

---

I ordered an open box Strix Z690-E so I can move to DDR5 on Banshee and get rid of the white (the replacement is all black - my preference). This might be the last glam shot, LOL. 

 

I am probably going to offer the nicely binned, delidded and lapped 12900K SP92 (104P-70E), Strix Z690-A, DDR4-4000 kit and Velocity2 (or silver Optimus - buyer's choice) waterblock in the marketplace in the next week or two. If anyone wants info or is interested before I list it in the marketplace thread, let me know. I also have a spare XSPC pump/res and a couple of 240MM radiators I can include.

 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I plugged a long Ethernet cable in to my computer from my wife’s work computer. So I could provide internet access to her system. Well, right after I plugged this Ethernet cable in it began liquifying the rubber housing on the Ethernet cable, I couldn’t unplug it because it was now stuck inside of the Ethernet port. My Unity-X started getting really really really hot in the I/O area. Then in the moment of panic and imagining cooking 13900K’s my PC completely shutdown on me, then I realized my chiller LCD was shut off too. I lost power to half the house as well.
 

I flipped the breakers off and back on, and fortunately my PC survived this ordeal with no loss in function. Even that Ethernet port still works with some heavy burn marks on the side of the inner port. The Ethernet cable has metal around the plastic housing, so it looks like it touched metal to metal and grounded something I’m not sure. 
 

Anyone know WTH may have happen here though? 

 

Bizarre, glad you managed to avoid a disaster. Any PoE switches?

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Wow, that is nuts. NO IDEA. So happy you didn't lose your PC or golden 13900K in the process. Thank the Lord for that.

---

I ordered an open box Strix Z690-E so I can move to DDR5 on Banshee and get rid of the white (the replacement is all black - my preference). This might be the last glam shot, LOL. 

 

I am probably going to offer the nicely binned, delidded and lapped 12900K SP92 (104E-70P), Strix Z690-A, DDR4-4000 kit and Velocity2 (or silver Optimus - buyer's choice) waterblock in the marketplace in the next week or two. If anyone wants info or is interest before I list it in the marketplace thread, let me know. I also have a spare XSPC pump/res and a couple of 240MM radiators I can include.

 

Did I read that right? Your 12900K has SP104 E cores? 

[ryan]

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-to-be-electrocuted-by-an-Ethernet-cable-with-PoE-Power-over-Ethernet-In-which-conditions

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Did I read that right? Your 12900K has SP104 E cores? 

LOL, no... typo. Thanks for identifying it. I will fix it. That's backwards. E would be "extreme" and P for "puny" for that to be accurate. This is basically the same SP rating that Brother @Papusan12900K had. I think there was a point or two different on the E-cores, but do not remember exactly.

 

[Mr. Fox]

15 minutes ago, ryan said:

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-to-be-electrocuted-by-an-Ethernet-cable-with-PoE-Power-over-Ethernet-In-which-conditions

What is weird, if I interpreted @tps3443post correctly, he simply connected one end of the CAT cable to his PC and the other end to his wife's PC, no PoE involved unless he forgot to mention that. How that would happen is a mystery to me. Make no sense at all. I don't know where or how that much current would be generated with a direct network cable connection between two computers.

[ryan]

yeah I was thinking melting wires and cpu ect whole system from an ethernet cable?????

 

literally 0 cases on planet earth, Iv'e heard of a toaster catching fire but never a remote control....I guess its possible if it was submerged in water with lithium soup around it???each to their own

[ryan]

lol and the max is 48volts lmfao......Im pretty sure a watch has more voltage pumping through it....hyperbole I know but its just im still laughing....Iv'e heard some pretty funny shiz before but Im not going to say it but I dont think it was the ethernet cable...kinda like plugging in your phone at a nuclear power plant and blaming the meltdown on your phone..

 

 

edit..

 

 

gasoline cooling?

[tps3443]

18 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah I was thinking melting wires and cpu ect whole system from an ethernet cable?????

 

literally 0 cases on planet earth, Iv'e heard of a toaster catching fire but never a remote control....I guess its possible if it was submerged in water with lithium soup around it???each to their own

 

Here is the cable, and the burn mark inside the Ethernet port. It was only running from computer to computer. 
 

I don’t know how it’s possible, or how it even happen. I just know the cable was heating up like crazy. And so was my motherboard I/O area. It melted the cable, and burned my Ethernet port. It shut off my PC and tripped the breakers of my office and even my kitchen. 
 

I had to pull the cable out with pliers, it was literally seized inside the 2.5gbit port. 
 

 

[tps3443]

11 minutes ago, ryan said:

lol and the max is 48volts lmfao......Im pretty sure a watch has more voltage pumping through it....hyperbole I know but its just im still laughing....Iv'e heard some pretty funny shiz before but Im not going to say it but I dont think it was the ethernet cable...kinda like plugging in your phone at a nuclear power plant and blaming the meltdown on your phone..

 

 

edit..

 

 

gasoline cooling?

I don’t know what it was. I’m merely explaining what happen. Not sure how it happen or why it happen, but it definitely happen to me, not sure what caused it. My wife was actually the one who physically plugged it in to my computer. We both smelled the burning. 

[Mr. Fox]

20 minutes ago, ryan said:

lol and the max is 48volts lmfao......Im pretty sure a watch has more voltage pumping through it....hyperbole I know but its just im still laughing....Iv'e heard some pretty funny shiz before but Im not going to say it but I dont think it was the ethernet cable...kinda like plugging in your phone at a nuclear power plant and blaming the meltdown on your phone..

 

 

edit..

 

 

gasoline cooling?

 

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

Here is the cable, and the burn mark inside the Ethernet port. It was only running from computer to computer. 
 

I don’t know how it’s possible, or how it even happen. I just know the cable was heating up like crazy. And so was my motherboard I/O area. It melted the cable, and burned my Ethernet port. It shut off my PC and tripped the breakers of my office and even my kitchen. 
 

I had to pull the cable out with pliers, it was literally seized inside the 2.5gbit port. 
 

 

 

6 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t know what it was. I’m merely explaining what happen. Not sure how it happen or why it happen, but it definitely happen to me, not sure what caused it. My wife was actually the one who physically plugged it in to my computer. We both smelled the burning. 

That is just too weird for words. Scary though... could have been disastrous. So glad nothing bad came of it.

[Etern4l]

6 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t know what it was. I’m merely explaining what happen. Not sure how it happen or why it happen, but it definitely happen to me, not sure what caused it. My wife was actually the one who physically plugged it in to my computer. We both smelled the burning. 

Crazy. No PoE, so damaged cable is just about the last thing that springs to mind. Do you have a dog?

[tps3443]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

That is just too weird for words. Scary though... could have been disastrous. So glad nothing bad came of it.

I’m telling you. I have never seen anything like this in my life! It’s really the craziest thing ever.

 

5 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Crazy. No PoE, so damaged cable is just about the last thing that springs to mind. Do you have a dog?

I don’t have any dogs, and I don’t believe the cable is damaged but it is 100ft long, or maybe 75ft I can’t remember for sure how long. It looks like the electricity or burn was coming from some metal around the inner portion of the Ethernet port, and not from those small wires. 

[Etern4l]

10 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m telling you. I have never seen anything like this in my life! It’s really the craziest thing ever.

 

I don’t have any dogs, and I don’t believe the cable is damaged but it is 100ft long, or maybe 75ft I can’t remember for sure how long. It looks like the electricity or burn was coming from some metal around the inner portion of the Ethernet port, and not from those small wires. 

 

The length might have something to do with it, but it's way off the max supported length (300ft+). Nice riddle. Perhaps some conductive debris got into the socket and caused a short...

 

Edit: way back you'd need a special crossover cable to connect computer to a computer, but it shouldn't matter these days, assuming the other PC is reasonably recent.

[ryan]

dude....crazzzzzzzzzzzy you were not joking...unreal you have got to be the unluckiest guy on earth...evil glare directed to remote control...im watching you remote....holy crap brother....Iv'e never heard of this in 37 years...did you plug it into something you shouldn't have\? like a power generator

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

The length might have something to do with it, but it's way off the max supported length (300ft+). Nice riddle. Perhaps some conductive debris got into the socket and caused a short...

But, it is still not clear how or why the ethernet port itself would be carrying enough current to cause what happened. Very strange.