*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[cylix]

Merry Christmas guys, enjoy the holidays with the love ones! 🎄🎄🎄🎅

[jaybee83]

On 12/23/2022 at 1:55 AM, Rage Set said:

 

 

If he's right...Intel is going to pull another Rocket Lake on everyone. Sooooo, it looks like Intel's HEDT is to the rescue. I don't get Intel's moves here though. They concede HEDT to AMD for several generations but combats them in the mainstream. Now with AMD on the ropes, they are going to concede the mainstream market while reentering the HEDT market, where if rumors are correct, will be able to stand toe to toe with Threadripper.

 

Ever since they were caught with their pants down with the recycling of 4 core processors, they really haven't been the same. 

 

yep also saw that vid. im thinking in HEDT Intel can more easily ignore the baby cores and needs no excuse to go all out on energy consumption and thus performance to be able and compete with the threadripper / epyc multicore monsters from AMD. curious to see what Intel will do with that.

 

On 12/23/2022 at 4:53 AM, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

id like one please, thx 😁

 

18 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

It got really, really cold here in middle TN last night, and its about 0F outside right now. I'm going to take the Alienware outside for a spin and see if I can push 5ghz on the 4710mq 🙂

 

12 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Oh no, this isn't the 8700k, it's a ten year old 4710mq lol. This thing does not want to live, but it just keeps going.

 

LOL they dont build them like they used to hahaha. perfect thing to use this shitty cold weather, enjoy!

 

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

Have a nice Christmas holidays to you all. The very best greeting from the snowy Norway and me. We have now passed into 24. December here home.... Perfect time to say...

 

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My first ever video where you can hear my "not the best" in class English. I'm a hell lot better in reading English text/talking english directly to people I sit down with than try speak directly in a dumb small phone/video camera. So it's what it is. Better than nothing🙂 There is always a first time for all, so here it is. Damn you if you click the wrong like button. Always click on the thumbs up Edited with better quality.

 

 

dont u freeze solid on us mr. snow man hahaha merry christmas to you and your family!

 

9 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Merry Christmas brother, it's a pleasure having your guidance easily available 😉

Also boys, I did it...

This took way too long, but we did it. Voltage is at 1.596 volts; the voltage readings are half of the true values with this weird microcode.

 

duuuude thats absolutely amazing. i cant believe u actually managed to get that oldtimer chip all the way to 5 Ghz 😱🥳👍

 

2 hours ago, kojack said:

It's great we have such a diverse little community here already. I look at computers from a creative perspective, There are many who look at everything for gaming.  We pretty well have all bases covered for computing for sure. 

 

agreed, very important to have many view points around to foster exchange of ideas 🙂 we dont wanna end up as a fanboy camp here hahaha

 

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Merry Christmas guys, enjoy the holidays with the love ones! 🎄🎄🎄🎅

 

merry xmas to you too bro, currently cruising around in NRW visiting friends n family 😃

[Mr. Fox]

On 12/24/2022 at 6:13 AM, jaybee83 said:

id like one please, thx 😁

And, he using two generic green A-die modules he randomly purchased on Taobao, not a retail kit.

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

My first 10th Gen was an excellent 10900KF and the best 10th Gen CPU I ever had, but my Apex motherboard died and killed that CPU in the process. I do not remember the SP rating, but I do know it was over 110.

Silicon has come so far though, if we didn’t have E-Cores, everyone with 13900K would be around SP110 or higher.  That overall SP is really brought down by that e-core sp.

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Silicon has come so far though, if we didn’t have E-Cores, everyone with 13900K would be around SP110 or higher.  That overall SP is really brought down by that e-core sp.

 

Doesn't disabling the E-Cores allow you to open up the P-Cores even further though?

 

I think with the E-Cores and hyperthreading disabled (just for giggles), you could possibly gain another 200-300 MHz on top of what you can already achieve.

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

From a gamer's perspective. Otherwise, it has less VRAM than 3090Ti, no NVLink, and is unnecessarily large given that both the GPU and VRAM are cut down significantly compared to the already pretty cool running 4090 - yet they just lazily kept the same cooler and card dimensions. The 3090Ti FE is slimmer (2.7 slot roughly) which makes a difference in multi-GPU builds.

 

24gb is for a targeted audience and SLI is dead even on the 4090. I'd love to see Nvidia bring it back for a 4090ti though since we know the PCB has the pins for it.

 

3090ti runs like a (big sexy) furnace.

 

Aesthetics and size is subjective. I love the idea of slapping on these monster coolers to the 4080 and 4090 class cards.

 

Architecturally and computationally it is a superior card. You can pick the nits but it just is. Slap the card in and it will beat a 3090ti across the board.

 

Now, is it a slap in the face and an insult from Nvidia to increase the price of the xx80 tier card by $500 AND try to shove a 4070 down our throats for $899 calling it a 4080 12GB? Absolutely. Is the 4090 vastly superior? Yep. But the 4080 is the better card.

 

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

My first 10th Gen was an excellent 10900KF and the best 10th Gen CPU I ever had, but my Apex motherboard died and killed that CPU in the process. I do not remember the SP rating, but I do know it was over 110.

 

I remember that chip. It was a monster. Between that and stepping on the other one.....yikes. I double checked the distance between us to make sure it was enough to not pick up any bit of that bad run of luck.

[tps3443]

43 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

 

Doesn't disabling the E-Cores allow you to open up the P-Cores even further though?

 

I think with the E-Cores and hyperthreading disabled (just for giggles), you could possibly gain another 200-300 MHz on top of what you can already achieve.

Honestly, it has SP121 P-Cores and 6Ghz is too easy, so I may just try that out. Before going direct die, I could run 6.2-6.3-6.4 on the cores for gaming with E-Cores and HT still on. 

[johnksss]

On 12/22/2022 at 8:42 AM, Mr. Fox said:

I am not confident that MSI or Gigabutt are actually any different when it comes to shoddy service, and I believe ASSrock might be as bad or worse than ASUS. Maybe Brother @johnkssscan speak to how his experience has been, but as an outside observer I was most definitely not impressed by what I think I saw his experience look like with MSI. When my first Unify-X was failing (it was only a few days old) I was fortunate because it was within the 30 day window for return at NewEgg, so I had them swap it out. Even NewEgg has been service than ASUS.

 

As to my experience thus far....This time around they picked up the tab. They tried to offer me the Unify 4 Dimm board (Because they could not fix mine and they could ship that that out immediately) as I asked them to fix the broken PCIE tab they broke on the first RMA, but I declined. So they went on a hunt to find another Unify-X from a different warehouse, which they did find, but wont be shipped out until next week sometime. My problem with them mainly is the turn around time, but I have to say it has to do with them actually trying to fix the board instead of grabbing another off the shelf and just shipping it off. Which is most preferred of course, but it is 100% not realistic with every company who higher these specific techs who diagnose and fix these PCB related problems. And these last few times I think it was more user error than the boards actual fault and I can accept that as no one is perfect and I do make mistakes. So I respectfully take the good with the bad considering my luck has been more positive than negative with them. Now I think that has to do with me having more available options for parts so that might play a bigger role in the grand scheme of things.

[Etern4l]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

24gb is for a targeted audience

 

Well, all products are targeted, and to some extent therein lies the problem, as the Goblin cuts features to force people to use specific product lines. 24GB also targets some gamers, including perhaps people running VR (not sure), or folks who are planning to keep the card for a while. 8GB sounded like an absolute overkill just a few years ago.

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

SLI is dead even on the 4090. I'd love to see Nvidia bring it back for a 4090ti though since we know the PCB has the pins for it.

 

SLI is not the only application of NVLink. My guess is that they took away support for typically nefarious Green Goblin reasons, such as to force professional users to fork up 2-3x for the same hardware if they require NVLink. The abandoning of SLI for gaming makes no sense from the technical standpoint either, particularly in the era of raytracing and given that VR is at thing. Suppose that performance scaling in a dual-GPU setup was close to linear, as you would expect in the case of RT and VR, then you could just grab another 3090Ti (or match up another type of previous gen cards) and end up with two GPU setup that easily tops 4090 in these applications. Not good for sales, particularly if your new cards are monstrosities that are hard to run in multi-GPU setups without custom water cooling. Jensen doesn't like.  

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Aesthetics and size is subjective. I love the idea of slapping on these monster coolers to the 4080 and 4090 class cards.

 

Of course it is, which is where AIBs come in and they do provide monster coolers to boot. I was obviously talking about the FE cards. 

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

3090ti runs like a (big sexy) furnace.

 

Depends on the application. Actually, my 3090 Ti FE runs surprisingly cool in a multi-GPU setup (65-67C at full load), and wipes the floor with a professional Ampere card 2x the price. The case for a 4090 is there, but it's not nearly as clear cut as in the case of gaming.

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Architecturally and computationally it is a superior card. You can pick the nits but it just is. Slap the card in and it will beat a 3090ti across the board.

 

Once again, it all depends on the application, and if the 16GB of VRAM is a hard limitation, the shiny new 4080 crashes and is worth zero. In less severe scenarios, the card ends up being underutilized due to the insufficient RAM. Gaming is simpler - the 4080 is about 20-30% faster (maybe more in RT) + DLSS3 so a better buy I guess, the pricing is still nuts.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

Doesn't disabling the E-Cores allow you to open up the P-Cores even further though?

 

I think with the E-Cores and hyperthreading disabled (just for giggles), you could possibly gain another 200-300 MHz on top of what you can already achieve.

The E-cores are Atom cores and they are not hyperthreading-capable. Unless you are competing on a lower thread count basis or doing something that doesn't leverage more cores/threads (like lots of games and certain benchmarks) you are losing performance by disabling E-cores. More cores/threads means more work gets done faster on applications that can use more cores/threads. In the scenarios where they cannot be leveraged, disabling them makes sense.

  

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Honestly, it has SP121 P-Cores and 6Ghz is too easy, so I may just try that out. Before going direct die, I could run 6.2-6.3-6.4 on the cores for gaming with E-Cores and HT still on. 

 

If you die before me, please put it in your Last Will and Testament that I get that CPU, LOL.

[Papusan]

On 12/24/2022 at 4:24 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Brother @Papusan... god jul og godt nytt år. Velsignelser til deg og din familie.

 

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Blessings to you and your family.

 

Your English is very good. I could understand every word you said and everything made sense.

 

Same to all of the rest of you and your families if you are reading this.

 

 

Thanks my friend. Here's some more blessings from snowy Middle Norway. Some of you have never seen the real Northern dreaded dark. This from Christmas Eve 2022. Love you all. And enjoy the small road up to to old Papusan's homeplace. Here you'll get everything.... Loads of clean white snow, clean air, the well known Northern dark in the winter time, the ice cold and the wind. And a mix of everything in between. And enoy the music in the background. I'm sure you know who singing the Christmas in🙂 

Almost done. I will download and install latest version of Win 10 Pro. Up to the son what he will use after the Windows activation. Bought a Win 10 Pro license at Kinguin. Of course the English version. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

18 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Thanks my friend. Here's some more blessings from snowy Middle Norway. Some of you have never seen the real Northern dreaded dark. This from Christmas Eve 2022. Love you all. And enjoy the small road up to to old Papusan's homeplace. Here you'll get everything.... Loads of clean white snow, clean air, the well known Northern dark in the winter time, the ice cold and the wind. And a mix of everything in between. And enoy the music in the background. I'm sure you know who singing🙂 

Almost done. I will download and install latest version of Win 10 Pro. Up to the son what he will use after the Windows activation. Bought a Win 10 Pro license at Kinguin. Of course the English version. 

 

That looks really nice. Your son will be so happy. Has he seen it yet?

 

Your singing voice sounds exactly like Elvis, bro. 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Well, all products are targeted, and to some extent therein lies the problem, as the Goblin cuts features to force people to use specific product lines. 24GB also targets some gamers, including perhaps people running VR (not sure), or folks who are planning to keep the card for a while. 8GB sounded like an absolute overkill just a few years ago.

 

 

SLI is not the only application of NVLink. My guess is that they took away support for typically nefarious Green Goblin reasons, such as to force professional users to fork up 2-3x for the same hardware if they require NVLink. The abandoning of SLI for gaming makes no sense from the technical standpoint either, particularly in the era of raytracing and given that VR is at thing. Suppose that performance scaling in a dual-GPU setup was close to linear, as you would expect in the case of RT and VR, then you could just grab another 3090Ti (or match up another type of previous gen cards) and end up with two GPU setup that easily tops 4090 in these applications. Not good for sales, particularly if your new cards are monstrosities that are hard to run in multi-GPU setups without custom water cooling. Jensen doesn't like.  

 

 

Of course it is, which is where AIBs come in and they do provide monster coolers to boot. I was obviously talking about the FE cards. 

 

 

Depends on the application. Actually, my 3090 Ti FE runs surprisingly cool in a multi-GPU setup (65-67C at full load), and wipes the floor with a professional Ampere card 2x the price. The case for a 4090 is there, but it's not nearly as clear cut as in the case of gaming.

 

 

Once again, it all depends on the application, and if the 16GB of VRAM is a hard limitation, the shiny new 4080 crashes and is worth zero. In less severe scenarios, the card ends up being underutilized due to the insufficient RAM. Gaming is simpler - the 4080 is about 20-30% faster (maybe more in RT) + DLSS3 so a better buy I guess, the pricing is still nuts.

 

If your applications require 24GB, the 4080 isn't even on your radar....the 4090 is and that is a small segment and the 4090 just pummels the 3090ti even moreso.

 

If NV link is a requirement  none of the 4000 cards are on your map. So you're effectively stuck with Ampere till you are forced to move on and depending on your workflow your use case for being stuck relies solely around NVlink. Anything else 4000 series is the answer whether 4080 or 4090.

 

So your argument is there are special circumstances where the 3090/3090ti are needed and that is NVLink basically? Ok. If I need 24GB I'm going to go get a 4090 at this point. Runs much cooler, less power hungry and superior in every capacity.

 

 

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Windows activation. Bought a Win 10 Pro license at Kinguin. Of course the English version. 
 

 

I honestly cannot remember the last time I bought a Windows License. I had MSDN access back in the day for Windows 7, so I have every version of it. I would never buy a license for the crap they put out now. Go to MDL for things like this? I know they are not very much on Kinguin, but I would hate myself if I bought a Windows 10 key.....I would feel like I supported their trash 😁

Thats a nice rig buddy!

[Mr. Fox]

Merry Christmas, everyone.

 

I think Brothers @johnksssand @Papusanwill appreciate this since they are multi-boot users like me and take advantage of using the best OS for the task at hand rather than defaulting to the use of one OS and living with whatever lackluster results doing so produces. One of the issues with booting an older OS like XP, Vista and Windows 7 is the difference in how Disk Checking works and they are constantly fighting with Windows 8.1, 10 and 11 over disk management and corrupting one another in the process. 

 

The fix in this article puts an end to that stupidity with a simple registry tweak that allows them to coexist in peace.  You simply do the tweak and reboot twice for the change to take effect.

 

Stop Disk Check From Running On Every Boot 

 

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem]
"NtfsDisableLfsDowngrade"=dword:00000000
"NtfsDisableLfsUpgrade"=dword:00000001

  

6 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I honestly cannot remember the last time I bought a Windows License. I had MSDN access back in the day for Windows 7, so I have every version of it. I would never buy a license for the crap they put out now. Go to MDL for things like this? I know they are not very much on Kinguin, but I would hate myself if I bought a Windows 10 key.....I would feel like I supported their trash 😁

Thats a nice rig buddy!

 

Easier than that, bro.  https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts

 

Two PowerShell scripts you should become familiar with...

Admin PS C:\> irm https://massgrave.dev/get | iex
Admin PS C:\> iwr -useb https://christitus.com/win | iex

 

ScanDiskFix.reg

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Merry Christmas, everyone.

 

I think Brothers @johnksssand @Papusanwill appreciate this since they are multi-boot users like me and take advantage of using the best OS for the task at hand rather than defaulting to the use of one OS and living with whatever lackluster results doing so produces. One of the issues with booting an older OS like XP, Vista and Windows 7 is the difference in how Disk Checking works and they are constantly fighting with Windows 8.1, 10 and 11 over disk management and corrupting one another in the process. 

 

The fix in this article puts an end to that stupidity with a simple registry tweak that allows them to coexist in peace.  You simply do the tweak and reboot twice for the change to take effect.

 

Stop Disk Check From Running On Every Boot 

 

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem]
"NtfsDisableLfsDowngrade"=dword:00000000
"NtfsDisableLfsUpgrade"=dword:00000001

  

 

Easier than that, bro.  https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts

 

Two PowerShell scripts you should become familiar with...

Admin PS C:\> irm https://massgrave.dev/get | iex
Admin PS C:\> iwr -useb https://christitus.com/win | iex

 

ScanDiskFix.reg 382 B · 0 downloads

Thanks. 
 

Yep, I use scripts for activating my different LTSC and Win 10 versions on my pc’s. But I have always tried push my kids in the right directions (honesty and being kind and nice people). Never do as the old man, LOOL

 

Using the grey area buying keys is already too much in the wrong direction, HaHa

[Etern4l]

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

If your applications require 24GB, the 4080 isn't even on your radar....the 4090 is and that is a small segment and the 4090 just pummels the 3090ti even moreso.

 

No, for me the choice was between 4080 and 3090 Ti. About the same price. If the 4080 came with 20GB of VRAM, I would probably go with that. I find the fact that Nvidia are selling 16GB cards for more than the previous gen 24GB flagship is a blatant attempt at extortion. Again, no NVLink is a further negative.

 

The 4090 is basically an overkill for some professional applications. Realize that Nvidia sells professional cards with the same chip as in 4090 but 80GB of VRAM. One way to think about it is in terms FLOPS/VRAM ratio, that's basically too high in the 4090 in the sense that the power may go unused given that the card has only 24GB of VRAM, and the comical card size means it is more difficult to use it in multi-GPU setups.

 

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

If NV link is a requirement  none of the 4000 cards are on your map. So you're effectively stuck with Ampere

 

Not a hard requirement fortunately, but def a good to have. Not really stuck with anything, thank you for your concern, just pointing out that 3090Ti is arguably the better product for many professional purposes than the 4080. The 4090 is likely an overkill, and there is no availability of the FE version here. I recently saw what looks like a 2.7 slot PNY 4090 card which could be an option, but that is not in stock either.

 

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

So your argument is there are special circumstances where the 3090/3090ti are needed and that is NVLink basically? Ok. If I need 24GB

 

No, again, just for clarity, let me recap the advantages of the 3090 Ti FE over the 4080 FE:

* 50% more VRAM

* NVLink

* Slimmer, easily fits a 3 slot multi GPU air-cooled build

 

On the plus side also, these currently sold 3090TI FEs could be using a new chip variant (it says something about a variant in the chip description, I would have to boot to Windows to provide more details, that' s not happening anytime soon), I got 23-24K in TimeSpy graphics stock, whereas notebook check claims the median for 3090 Ti is 21K. 

 

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'm going to go get a 4090 at this point. Runs much cooler, less power hungry and superior in every capacity.

 

Sure, that's what it looks like from the gamer's perspective. I am talking about professional applications, where the situation is more nuanced. Again, cooling and power consumption are of no concern - the card runs at around 180W / 65C with restricted airflow (another card 3 slots apart) under full load in my use case. 

 

I am also trying hard no to come across as a bit of an NVidia fanboy, so I am calling them out on their anti-consumer practices below:

* Dropping SLI - clearly the possibility of running multi-GPU setups on any cards of the same type would be an awesome way for consumers to extend the lifetime of their investments, or further increase the performance of their systems. That value proposition has been taken away.

* As a corollary, NVLink is gone, cynically disabled despite the circuitry being there, further limiting the utility of the cards for some customers

* Pricing a 16GB next gen card above previous gen 24GB flagship - lol

 

Kind of reminds me of all the classic Alienware dick moves.

 

16 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I honestly cannot remember the last time I bought a Windows License. I had MSDN access back in the day for Windows 7, so I have every version of it.

 

Yeah, I was surprised to find that my W7 Ultimate MSDN licence was still good for W10/W11. Felt like more of a glitch than something that would be expected of MS today.  

 

[cylix]

So i bite the bullet and ordered  a zotac 4090 amp extreme aero 😬.. I really wanted to go with a sapphire 7900xtx nitro but they arrived at mindfactory in Germany for a whopping 1480 euro!

To expensive.. For the zotac i paid 1750 from Amazon after i used my points and i got some Amazon coupons for Xmas from family, so it was a no brainer for 350 euros more the 4090 is the choice, its  an a class of its own.

 

I went with the zotac because of the 5 year guarantee and i think its the only one beside the fe that pass in upright mount in my lian li o11 dynamic evo.  Build quality is good,  pcb got 24  phases and there is not that loud coil whine like the Asus cards.

 

The only negatives are from what i read the noisy fans and the power goes only to 500 watt but i can flash the strix bios for 600 if i want it.

Lets see how is the coil sound and fans when it arrives.

[Raiderman]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Yeah, I was surprised to find that my W7 Ultimate MSDN licence was still good for W10/W11. Felt like more of a glitch than something that would be expected of MS today.  

 

Not a glitch by MS, they just want you to use their latest and greatest advertising platforms, AKA Windows 10, 11.

Windows 7 is so much fun to customize.

[tps3443]

19 hours ago, Papusan said:

Thanks my friend. Here's some more blessings from snowy Middle Norway. Some of you have never seen the real Northern dreaded dark. This from Christmas Eve 2022. Love you all. And enjoy the small road up to to old Papusan's homeplace. Here you'll get everything.... Loads of clean white snow, clean air, the well known Northern dark in the winter time, the ice cold and the wind. And a mix of everything in between. And enoy the music in the background. I'm sure you know who singing🙂 

Almost done. I will download and install latest version of Win 10 Pro. Up to the son what he will use after the Windows activation. Bought a Win 10 Pro license at Kinguin. Of course the English version. 

 

I want to live somewhere like that! Me and my wife both work from home, so it’s definitely possible. Especially when our kids get a little older. They are still only like 10-11 Y/O. The weather and roads were like that one time near where I live now. But I’ve only seen it once or twice in my whole life. It’s so fun to see it, and drive on roads like that. 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

No, for me the choice was between 4080 and 3090 Ti. About the same price. If the 4080 came with 20GB of VRAM, I would probably go with that. I find the fact that Nvidia are selling 16GB cards for more than the previous gen 24GB flagship is a blatant attempt at extortion. Again, no NVLink is a further negative.

 

The 4090 is basically an overkill for some professional applications. Realize that Nvidia sells professional cards with the same chip as in 4090 but 80GB of VRAM. One way to think about it is in terms FLOPS/VRAM ratio, that's basically too high in the 4090 in the sense that the power may go unused given that the card has only 24GB of VRAM, and the comical card size means it is more difficult to use it in multi-GPU setups.

 

 

Not a hard requirement fortunately, but def a good to have. Not really stuck with anything, thank you for your concern, just pointing out that 3090Ti is arguably the better product for many professional purposes than the 4080. The 4090 is likely an overkill, and there is no availability of the FE version here. I recently saw what looks like a 2.7 slot PNY 4090 card which could be an option, but that is not in stock either.

 

 

No, again, just for clarity, let me recap the advantages of the 3090 Ti FE over the 4080 FE:

* 50% more VRAM

* NVLink

* Slimmer, easily fits a 3 slot multi GPU air-cooled build

 

On the plus side also, these currently sold 3090TI FEs could be using a new chip variant (it says something about a variant in the chip description, I would have to boot to Windows to provide more details, that' s not happening anytime soon), I got 23-24K in TimeSpy graphics stock, whereas notebook check claims the median for 3090 Ti is 21K. 

 

 

Sure, that's what it looks like from the gamer's perspective. I am talking about professional applications, where the situation is more nuanced. Again, cooling and power consumption are of no concern - the card runs at around 180W / 65C with restricted airflow (another card 3 slots apart) under full load in my use case. 

 

I am also trying hard no to come across as a bit of an NVidia fanboy, so I am calling them out on their anti-consumer practices below:

* Dropping SLI - clearly the possibility of running multi-GPU setups on any cards of the same type would be an awesome way for consumers to extend the lifetime of their investments, or further increase the performance of their systems. That value proposition has been taken away.

* As a corollary, NVLink is gone, cynically disabled despite the circuitry being there, further limiting the utility of the cards for some customers

* Pricing a 16GB next gen card above previous gen 24GB flagship - lol

 

Kind of reminds me of all the classic Alienware dick moves.

 

 

Yeah, I was surprised to find that my W7 Ultimate MSDN licence was still good for W10/W11. Felt like more of a glitch than something that would be expected of MS today.  

 

 

Good and fair post bro.

 

Since we're both coming at this from different system requirements it makes sense we're looking at it differently.

 

I too found my KPE 3090ti was clocking in at ~23.5k on Timespy initially on a W11 install but on a fresh install of W10 it dropped back down to 21.5k. I never did have time to sort it out before I sold it.  I did contemplate grabbing a much lower priced 3090ti if one popped up used on eBay and pocketing the ~$700-800 difference.

 

From a gamers perspective 24GB is just a juicy luxury to have but for someone who can actually take advantage of it in their D2D use over 16GB like NVlink it is a deal breaker.

 

Based upon original MSRP, the 4080 (and 4090 actually) are priced below the 3090ti which was $1999.99. 3090 was $1499.99. What still stands out is the gross mark up for the xx80 class cards from $699.99 to $1199.99. You can clearly see Nvidia is trying to shift the overall product stack pricing upward and not by a tiny margin.

 

NVlink was only available for the xx90 class card with Ampere but still removing it from the 4090 when it was clearly capable really boxes in the longevity for certain segments. I stopped using SLI after the 280 series in desktops so it has never been a thing for me but I get it.

 

I dunno man....I think Nvidia's moves trump Alienware's at this point. 😞 The fact it took that much outrage for them to back off of the "4080 12GB" nonsense speaks volumes.

 

 

 

[Papusan]

21 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That looks really nice. Your son will be so happy. Has he seen it yet?

 

Your singing voice sounds exactly like Elvis, bro. 

Yes. We finished everything throughout the night. Helped him with some needed software and the full driver install. So everything is ready before the Windows activation and patches. 
 

Now it’s his job forwards make sure that the Redmond mafia don’t screw up his new system.

 

Last picture I’ll post from the finished results. A nice and clean setup and with handpicked parts from me 🙂 Amazing we could make a full custom loop with a nice and big D5 pump + a thicker radiator inside this chassis. The only parts he needs now is buying a new keyboard (we use a cheap spare KB for the setup and testing). And he will need a couple of extra ssd’s for storage and backups.  

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I want to live somewhere like that! Me and my wife both work from home, so it’s definitely possible. Especially when our kids get a little older. They are still only like 10-11 Y/O. The weather and roads were like that one time near where I live now. But I’ve only seen it once or twice in my whole life. It’s so fun to see it, and drive on roads like that. 

Very nice living right outside the bigger cities. Especially with kids. And cleaner air and easy access to the nature with the small lakes and forests. But very hard winters with limited daylight hours. Yesterday on Christmas Eve the weather was fantastic. Topped out at 10 minus and quiet weather. Today… Snowstorm and the power grid is out. Everything damn dark and only a phone can be used until the battery runs out. Can be like this several hours/days so not so fun. 

On 12/4/2022 at 10:46 PM, Etern4l said:

Right off the bat, I'm not too impressed with one aspect of this AX1600i PSU. The power cord is quite loose. Not to the point where it would fall out, but just doesn't fit snugly, the plug very easily  moves up and down and sideways when all the way in. It takes very little muscle power to pull it out. The unit seems fine otherwise. I'm wondering if this is a normal feature of Corsair PSUs or whether Amazon sent me a flawed unit/cable.

 

On the other hand, the inner dimensions of the plug are noticeably smaller than the outer dimensions of the socket, so perhaps this is as per Corsair' s design? I saw this mentioned in an unboxing video. Unbelievable. 

 

Given all the recent stories of issues caused by loose 12VHPWR cables, I should probably send this back. The plug is non-standard, so don't have another one or try instead. 

 

@Papusan

On 12/5/2022 at 1:34 AM, Etern4l said:

Edit: Bro @Papusan, looks like your DarkPower Pro 1500 also uses this C19 power cord. Any play, or does the cord sit snugly in the PSU?

Bro @Etern4l I have looked on the quality from Corsair 1500i and compared. My honest opinion. My be quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 1500W Power Supply feels so much better in quality. Higher quality finish, from the packaging box, to the whole unit and the cables. In short... Everything feels better. On another level. In the future if I need a new PSU much stronger than 1500W PSU or need a second one  I would jump directly on the same brand and never look back. 

[cylix]

Anyone tried to flash the Galax Hof 666 W bios on the 4090? how does it behave?

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/252087/252087

 

 

[Tenoroon]

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yes. We finished everything throughout the night. Helped him with some needed software and the full driver install. So everything is ready before the Windows activation and patches. 
 

Now it’s his job forwards make sure that the Redmond mafia don’t screw up his new system.

 

Last picture I’ll post from the finished results. A nice and clean setup and with handpicked parts from me 🙂 Amazing we could make a full custom loop with a nice and big D5 pump + a thicker radiator inside this chassis. The only parts he needs now is buying a new keyboard (we use a cheap spare KB for the setup and testing). And he will need a couple of extra ssd’s for storage and backups.  

Very nice living right outside the bigger cities. Especially with kids. And cleaner air and easy access to the nature with the small lakes and forests. But very hard winters with limited daylight hours. Yesterday on Christmas Eve the weather was fantastic. Topped out at 10 minus and quiet weather. Today… Snowstorm and the power grid is out. Everything damn dark and only a phone can be used until the battery runs out. Can be like this several hours/days so not so fun. 

I like the P870 😉

I wish I could upgrade mine, but its only the DM-G, so native pascal support is tough. I could buy one of those barebones ones, but I'm saving for a desktop and it would be counterproductive anyways 😞

I do plan on getting my hands on a P750xx once I build a desktop as I've been using Mouse without borders with my G14 and P775 to move files between them and such. I think a P750 would be a great secondary "desktop" that I can use as my desktop "on the go"

Also, Merry Christmas boys! I wish you all a wonderful day and a fantastic time with the family!

[Mr. Fox]

49 minutes ago, cylix said:

Anyone tried to flash the Galax Hof 666 W bios on the 4090? how does it behave?

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/252087/252087

 

 

With a 666 power limit it should be a "beast" vBIOS. (Yes, I am joking about the number, not the actual power limit.)