*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ryan]

 

these are overclocked but stock a 4080 laptop gets 18 000 a 4090 gets roughly 30 000

 

because most users apply massive overclocks the disparity looks like quite a bit but in reality stock for stock the difference isnt that big and the fact a laptop 4080 is 60 percent of a 4090 and alot cheaper than a 4090 desktop makes me wonder

[Mr. Fox]

Happy Birthday, Brother @ryan(a day late). You're not getting old yet. 

[Reciever]

I would never buy prebuilt, I do tend to buy used almost exclusively. That being said I havent bought a desktop in a while. No need.

 

If you still have your laptop, you could also look at eGPU's provided you have an 11th gen processor, they are much better since TB controller is embedded in the CPU now so one of the issues cutting into efficiency was resolved under those scenarios.

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, ryan said:

 

these are overclocked but stock a 4080 laptop gets 18 000 a 4090 gets roughly 30 000

 

because most users apply massive overclocks the disparity looks like quite a bit but in reality stock for stock the difference isnt that big and the fact a laptop 4080 is 60 percent of a 4090 and alot cheaper than a 4090 desktop makes me wonder

 

Not sure why you show oc'd 4080 mobile vs stock 4090. Oh'well.

 

Here is the real numbers if you take account that Notebookcheck used an Ryzen Cpu for the desktop build. Far away from 60%. More like +100% difference in performance. 

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4080-Laptop-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.675174.0.html

 

Remember the 4080 die is under half of the cores vs 4090 desktop chips. You can't change the undelying physics in the HW bro ryan

 

 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-mobile.c3947 

 

 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4090.c3889

 

And if you look here. 4080 Mobile is in short an cut down 4070 Ti desktop chips and with capped TGP https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4070-ti.c3950

 

 

 

With fake frames you can have fun with all sorts of older HW. Welcome the future... nvidia need help from it's enemy to boost FPS for their older GPU's. 

 

If you accepts a few hiccups/visual issues then why not? Nvidia won't help you if you haven't the latest and greatest so you'll have to look other places. 

 

FSR3 mods to double your FPS on Starfield and Witcher 3

 

 

 

22 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Add the Patriot Viper 8200 DDR5 kit to the do not buy list. This memory is trash. @tps3443found the same to be true in his testing. I was hoping to replace my generic A-die with a slightly better product, but it is more than slightly inferior. XMP1 and XMP2 both fail TM5 testing and increasing the voltage does not help. Tested with both the Z690 Dark and the Z790 Apex and the outcome is the same on both platforms.

 

It is ridiculous that the only DDR5 modules that have been good enough to keep are my generic green sticks and the G.SKILL 8000 kit I already own. Everything (literally) I have purchased hoping for something better has been utter trash. I think I am done wasting my time with the endeavor. It's pointless, and shameful how much defective garbage is being offered for sale. Two TeamGroup 48GB kits (including their so-called Xtreem memory), one G.SKILL 32GB kit and now one Patriot 48GB kit returned as garbage in the past 90 days.

 

These are the trash sticks to steer away from: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1796763-REG/patriot_pvx548g82c38k_viper_xtreme_48gb_8200mt_s.html 

^^^poo-poo-cah-cah^^^

 

 

Apex is running the G.SKILL 8000 kit 8600 CL40 24/7 stable and the Dark is running the generic sticks 8200 CL38 24/7 stable. I think I need to be content with the modules I already own and stop chasing the DDR5 unicorns. 

 

Have created a new thread you all can post in if you experience bad products/bad value. 

PC hardware you should avoid. The do not buy list for computer parts.

13 hours ago, tps3443 said:

My Gskill 8200’s will be here today though. I hope they are golden, but I’m okay with just middle road good too. I’m just after something slightly better than my 7200’s. 

I think Gskill is the only reputable XMP ram that is worth buying right now. Expensive for top dog, yes! But I had a gift card on Amazon, so I grabbed my Gskill 8200’s for $250.00 not including tax. 

 

Any reason you don't test out some Klevv sticks? Because this brand is a subsidiary of SK Hynix. So they should be able to have access to a lot good binned IC's directly from it's mother company. Can't be much more expensive than G. Skill. Maybe more difficult to buy (limited availability) in U.S ? 

[Papusan]

On 7/18/2023 at 12:14 AM, Papusan said:

CableMod didn't dare any longer sell their angled adapters. The fallback would be too big. If you want to be their guinea pig again, you'll get $39.90/39.90€ store credit for your old CM adapter. This way you can try their new angled adapter v1.1  when it launch 6-8 weeks from now. Up to you now @Mr. Fox @electrosoft if you want to really try out the org adapter the last time until the new adapters is out in the store😁 Yep, a huge chance to play the Nvidia silicon lottery again. Isn't that nice?🙃 

 

 

Posted by u/CableMod_Matt

Angled Adapter Updates and Early Adopter Program

 

To that end, we are introducing the following Early Adopter program to all of our angled adapter customers. Customers who purchased an angled adapter from us will receive a $39.90/39.90€ store credit on our Global / EU / US Stores, which can be used towards the following products:

 

@electrosoft

 

Cablemod 1.1 adapter melted my 4090, had it secured all the way 100%, v1 had no issues

 

Posted by

u/CableMod

PLANNED VOLUNTARY SAFETY RECALL OF CABLEMOD 12VHPWR ANGLED ADAPTERS, V1.0 and V1.1

 

Dear Hardware Community:

It has come to our attention that certain CableMod 12VHPWR Angled Adapter V1.1s may be defective. We have since decided to discontinue sales of our angled adapters.

 

We will be conducting a voluntary safety recall for all CableMod 12VHPWR 90 ̊ and 180 ̊Angled Adapters V1.0 and all CableMod 12VHPWR 90 ̊ and 180 ̊

 

Angled Adapters V1.1 because of the potential risk that the male connector could become loose, overheat, and melt into the GPU.

 

This recall will apply only to our angled adapters and will not affect our angled cables.

 

 

Yup. I was spot on @Rage Set @electrosoft😁 But "voluntary safety recall" whats that? So people can have a ticking bomb for the Christmas/New Year holidays?

 

PLANNED VOLUNTARY SAFETY RECALL OF CABLEMOD 12VHPWR ANGLED ADAPTERS, V1.0 and V1.1 cablemod.com

 

And the stupid mods at Cablemod reddit forum banned me for only telling people the truth... Oh'well, can't expect more from that part.

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Not sure why you show oc'd 4080 mobile vs stock 4090. Oh'well.

 

Here is the real numbers if you take account that Notebookcheck used an Ryzen Cpu for the desktop build. Far away from 60%. More like +100% difference in performance. 

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4080-Laptop-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.675174.0.html

 

Remember the 4080 die is under half of the cores vs 4090 desktop chips. You can't change the undelying physics in the HW bro ryan

 

 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-mobile.c3947 

 

 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4090.c3889

 

And if you look here. 4080 Mobile is in short an cut down 4070 Ti desktop chips and with capped TGP https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4070-ti.c3950

 

 

 

With fake frames you can have fun with all sorts of older HW. Welcome the future... nvidia need help from it's enemy to boost FPS for their older GPU's. 

 

If you accepts a few hiccups/visual issues then why not? Nvidia won't help you if you haven't the latest and greatest so you'll have to look other places. 

 

FSR3 mods to double your FPS on Starfield and Witcher 3

 

 

 

 

Have created a new thread you all can post in if you experience bad products/bad value. 

PC hardware you should avoid. The do not buy list for computer parts.

 

Any reason you don't test out some Klevv sticks? Because this brand is a subsidiary of SK Hynix. So they should be able to have access to a lot good binned IC's directly from it's mother company. Can't be much more expensive than G. Skill. Maybe more difficult to buy (limited availability) in U.S ? 

No reason for not trying KLEVV really.. I just had amazing results with my Gskill 7200’s and I wanted to try the higher bin Gskill 48GB kit. I have more faith in G.Skill with the 2x24’s than any other XMP brand right now. And that assumption is correct again! G.Skill is legit awesome with the M-Die 🥰

 

I’m testing the new G.Skill 8200@1.350v (2x24) sticks. They are absolutely better than my G.Skill 7200’s. 100%! FINALLY!!!
 

I ran a full stability test at stock XMP 8200 on air cooling with a fan, I managed to identify the best stick very quickly, I passed 105% coverage with full stability on XMP. And I put them both on chilled water with the best stick furthest away from CPU. 
 

testing 8400c36 with 1.500v so far with very satisfactory results 😁

 

 

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, ryan said:

welcome back @Etern4l 🙂

 

yes prebuilts sometimes can be upgraded, the omens/asus/msi/ect cannot technically be upgraded, but some of the generic name branded ones can, alot of facebook market place ones are generic. no name just built from the ground up but they still hover around 1000.

 

 

bah getting old 39 yesterday, was my birthday. did nothing. can't wait for 50 haha feels like im 18 mentally due to the illness and the episodes that damage the brain

 

Happy birthday Bro! 39? Bah, still a young gun with plenty of life in front of you my friend.

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

@electrosoft

 

Cablemod 1.1 adapter melted my 4090, had it secured all the way 100%, v1 had no issues

 

Posted by

u/CableMod

PLANNED VOLUNTARY SAFETY RECALL OF CABLEMOD 12VHPWR ANGLED ADAPTERS, V1.0 and V1.1

 

Dear Hardware Community:

It has come to our attention that certain CableMod 12VHPWR Angled Adapter V1.1s may be defective. We have since decided to discontinue sales of our angled adapters.

 

We will be conducting a voluntary safety recall for all CableMod 12VHPWR 90 ̊ and 180 ̊Angled Adapters V1.0 and all CableMod 12VHPWR 90 ̊ and 180 ̊

 

Angled Adapters V1.1 because of the potential risk that the male connector could become loose, overheat, and melt into the GPU.

 

This recall will apply only to our angled adapters and will not affect our angled cables.

 

 

Yup. I was spot on @Rage Set @electrosoft😁 But "voluntary safety recall" whats that? So people can have a ticking bomb for the Christmas/New Year holidays?

 

And the stupid mods at Cablemod reddit forum banned me for only telling people the truth... Oh'well, can't expect more from that part.

 

Yup, you called that one months ago and here we are! They could have saved a lot of $$$ and time (along with customer cards) by calling it early on.

 

I'm glad both my CM EVGA cables had loose sense pins and would randomly just shut down so I could toss them and just use the MSI cable.

 

 

[Papusan]

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Yup, you called that one months ago and here we are! They could have saved a lot of $$$ and time (along with customer cards) by calling it early on.

 

I'm glad both my CM EVGA cables had loose sense pins and would randomly just shut down so I could toss them and just use the MSI cable.

The sad part. I wonder how many still have the v1.0 and continue use it. And how many stupids bought the v1.1 and will use it thinking "newer has to be better" @ryan🤐 until it melt down the cards. Could be as much as 100.000 adapters out there. Maybe Cablemod also this time can trick some people over on their "so called safe cables" with angled connectors to reduce the loss from this adapter failure. And how many have the angled adapeters for the lower tier cards as 4080/4070Ti and 4060 Ti thinking they are safe? They all will burn up in the end. It's only a question of time. 

 

 

[tps3443]

Gskill 8200’s are amazing @Mr. Fox you need some of these. I would buy from the same vendor too. There is 1 left in-stock. Mine have the same 302A IC’s as the G.Skill 8400 sticks. Mine were made 11/2023. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Gskill 8200’s are amazing @Mr. Fox you need some of these. I would buy from the same vendor too. There is 1 left in-stock. Mine have the same 302A IC’s as the G.Skill 8400 sticks. Mine were made 11/2023. 

I am happy for you and they certainly are a nice upgrade from your 7200 kit, but I can't see the logic in me spending $300+tax on an 8200 Trident Z5 kit when my 8000 Trident Z5 kit is serving me well at 8600 24/7 Y-Cruncher stable. Even if the 8200 kit was a little bit better, that is a high premium to pay for such a minor benefit in my case. Maybe I will upgrade when DDR5-9000 hits the shelves if the price is something I can stomach. I am not going to upgrade the memory on the Z690 Dark because it's already stupid fast at 8200 and it is more than I need for my work computer.

 

I'm going to get my refund from B&H for the Patriot trash sticks and leave the money in the bank.

  

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

PLANNED VOLUNTARY SAFETY RECALL OF CABLEMOD 12VHPWR ANGLED ADAPTERS, V1.0 and V1.1 cablemod.com

I emailed them my order number for the v1.0 adapter that I stopped using when all of the fires started and asked for a refund. I bought it from their global store directly, so we shall see what they tell me I need to do to get my money back.

  

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

The sad part. I wonder how many still have the v1.0 and continue use it. And how many stupids bought the v1.1 and will use it thinking "newer has to be better" @ryan🤐 until it melt down the cards. Could be as much as 100.000 adapters out there. Maybe Cablemod also this time can trick some people over on their "so called safe" cables with angled connectors to reduce the loss from this adapter failure. And how many have the angled adapeters for the lower tier cards as 4080/4070Ti and 4060 Ti. They all will burn up in the end. It's only a question of time.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am happy for you and they certainly are a nice upgrade from your 7200 kit, but I can't see the logic in me spending $300+tax on an 8200 Trident Z5 kit when my 8000 Trident Z5 kit is serving me well at 8600 24/7 Y-Cruncher stable. Even if the 8200 kit was a little bit better, that is a high premium to pay for such a minor benefit in my case. Maybe I will upgrade when DDR5-9000 hits the shelves if the price is something I can stomach. I am not going to upgrade the memory on the Z690 Dark because it's already stupid fast at 8200 and it is more than I need for my work computer.

 

I'm going to get my refund from B&H for the Patriot trash sticks and leave the money in the bank.

  

I emailed them my order number for the v1.0 adapter that I stopped using when all of the fires started and asked for a refund. I bought it from their global store directly, so we shall see what they tell me I need to do to get my money back.

 

How big will the loss be if Cablemod now have to refund +100.000 angled adapters? Each adapter costs minimum $29.99 USD. And what with the shipping costs? You never got what you paid for. Will be fun see what pops up. I would claim all money back. Also for the shipping. 

[electrosoft]

So I finally got around to hooking up the test Asrock B650M board I picked up for $85 from Amazon Warehouse.

 

Good news is the board was basically brand new but had a damaged box. Hooked everything up in the test case.

 

Bad news? Welp, it's not my 7800X3D as everything booted right up. I'm going to run some more tests but won't get a chance to break down this one and re-retest the MSI till after the holidays but all indicators are pointing to the MSI X670E carbon at this point as I ran, swapped, reseated and tested everything under the sun with the MSI before yanking it to swap in the 13900ks + MSI Z790i Edge. Slight cluster of discolored pins on the 7800X3D were just that.....in theory.

 

Looks like I might get to take the MSI RMA train for a spin at this rate..... 🤣

 

[Etern4l]

17 hours ago, ryan said:

welcome back @Etern4l 🙂

 

yes prebuilts sometimes can be upgraded, the omens/asus/msi/ect cannot technically be upgraded, but some of the generic name branded ones can, alot of facebook market place ones are generic. no name just built from the ground up but they still hover around 1000.

 

 

bah getting old 39 yesterday, was my birthday. did nothing. can't wait for 50 haha feels like im 18 mentally due to the illness and the episodes that damage the brain

 

Happy birthday bro. What are you trying to accomplish with the purchase? Get into the desktop hobby? Get a machine that will outperform Geforce Now? Both? The problem with the prebuilt is you might not be actually getting into the hobby, if that's what you desire, and would consequently fail to obtain a stable base for future improvements (case/PSU/cooling/SSD that won't suck). Given your budget, would try to put together a solid basic system, even without a GPU initially - you can run your GeForce now off an iGPU (or a $100 second hand card) for a while, then start hunting for a GPU. 

[ryan]

I enjoy benchmarking, and yes Geforce Now isn't quite there yet with 4k, I was hoping to get a system with a decent gpu(3060ti-6800xt) and a good cpu then upgrade to a 4090 down the line, I'm not a huge gamer but enjoy gaming once in a while and would like to run horizon 5 and motorsport at 4k with decent settings, currently I can only run 1080p at 30 fps in motorsport and 4k-medium at 50fps in horizon 5 with my 3060, It's mainly the Vram as my bottleneck 9 times out of ten at 4k is the fact it has only 6gb and these games will eat 8-10gb easily. and welcome back.

 

one other big reason for me is the crew motorfest, it runs like dirt on my 3060 at 4k, sure I can tweak settings and get 30fps but this isn't 2007 30fps isn't acceptable or enjoyable.

 

heres the game at 4k on GFN it looks good but is clearly blotchy at a distance

[Etern4l]

17 minutes ago, ryan said:

I enjoy benchmarking, and yes Geforce Now isn't quite there yet with 4k

 

Sounds like a proper desktop would be ideal, but then you would need to add "I (think I would) enjoy building PCs" to the above, as it's a bit of a prerequisite. If you are not comfortable, and actually excited, with/by the above then fair enough - prob best to stick to the prebuilt/laptop space.

 

Additionally, given your budget, you would probably need to add: "I am happy to assume/would enjoy the risk of hunting for second hand components on the internet" - doesn't quite apply to me for instance.

[ryan]

I would like to build it my self, Its just that buying all the parts one by one then putting it together, I have no idea if all the parts will be compatible and fit, I literally know next to nothing about desktop building, my last desktop was back in 2002 alot has changed alot has not. Im leaning towards buying it bit by bit and agree thats part of the fun, lol all fun and games until something explodes. I just get paranoid and don't have much money to risk. Im looking for work and might get back into trading stocks. Prebuilts are affordable and thats basically it, no other reason to buy one. I want a 4080 laptop but at 4grand I would rather have a 4090 system and although GFN is slick with its 4080 power it just looks and feels off after a few hours into gaming, the glitches with graphics and latency is a pain and its only useful at 1080p/1440p.  If gfn ends up improving 4k then I will likely stick to that for my casual gaming hobby but the itch to benchmark new hardware and be on the bleeding edge is still a priority.

[Etern4l]

There is very little compatibility risk, mostly around the case and cooler/AIO I guess. I mean just build a component shortlist and post it here for all the vets to vet it. Would be very hard to go wrong that way.  

[ryan]

Excellent.

 

I am excited to get this going, but i'll still have to wait a month or two. Do you think a i5 13th gen is good enough for 4k/60 for the next 4 years(not being the bottleneck) im behind on desktop knowledge when it comes to cpus also. on the laptop side 8 cores 16 threads is long in the tooth i will likely need fast(4-4.5ghz) 12-16 cores.

[Papusan]

17 hours ago, Papusan said:

The sad part. I wonder how many still have the v1.0 and continue use it. And how many stupids bought the v1.1 and will use it thinking "newer has to be better" @ryan🤐 until it melt down the cards.

 

Hope Cablemod and their shilled mods can't ban me in the nvidia reddit forum. Me is all too honest🙂 Or can they bro @electrosoft?

 

 

Yup. Some don't like that you are honest. Will see if CM will un-bann us honest people, HaHa

 

 

And if you have followed CM reps claims about their "safe cables with the 12VHPWR connector" don't suffer from same melting... They are lying

7 hours ago, ryan said:

Excellent.

 

I am excited to get this going, but i'll still have to wait a month or two. Do you think a i5 13th gen is good enough for 4k/60 for the next 4 years(not being the bottleneck) im behind on desktop knowledge when it comes to cpus also. on the laptop side 8 cores 16 threads is long in the tooth i will likely need fast(4-4.5ghz) 12-16 cores.

All Cpus now is bottleneck with 4090. Even at 4K. But this shouldn't stop you from building a new PC today or tomorrow. There will always come new HW and they all will suffer from the same problem. 

[Etern4l]

39 minutes ago, ryan said:

Excellent.

 

I am excited to get this going, but i'll still have to wait a month or two. Do you think a i5 13th gen is good enough for 4k/60 for the next 4 years(not being the bottleneck) im behind on desktop knowledge when it comes to cpus also. on the laptop side 8 cores 16 threads is long in the tooth i will likely need fast(4-4.5ghz) 12-16 cores.

 

I would mentally block off thoughts around future-proofing - that is a hopeless road to anxiety and analysis paralysis, sort of more applicable to the laptop world. Just look at the most bang per buck setup you can afford today (or in 2 months).  If you need more power further in the future, you will be able to upgrade the CPU (and mobo if needed, may not be the case).

[ryan]

I just got a call my from insurance adjuster. Im not to blame for the accident officially so I should be getting some money the first week of jan. Super excited, I get my van fixed(or replaced) and some cash. I might still go budget but at least ill be able to get a 3060ti build going for 1500. Im thinking a i7 14th gen and skip the gpu, save then drop cash on a 4090 suprim or hof. I would really enjoy some games at 4k, when i do get gaming I find it relaxing and somewhat enjoyable, I just have a hard time sitting down and forcing myself to continue for hours as I did when I was a teenager.

 

As for future proofing, when does the 5090 come out? eta? it might be smarter to just stick with a 3006ti and wait.

 

As for cable mod, it aggitates me reading about it because they are such A's and I can't imagine how frusturated bro @Papusan is.

[cylix]

@ryan aren't around you or in Canada some small firms, or PC Firms that are doing pre-builds but with normal components? No dell, HP, lenovo propietary crap? Maybe they can also have some open boxes, return items.

 

Like this for example, this is an online shop/firm in germany that are doing a lot of prebuilds with normal components and easy to upgrade down the line.

[ryan]

hey @cylix. always appreciated when you guys help.

 

I can do a build with memoryexpress.com its the same as just buying the parts but instead of me piecing it together they build it for you for 75 bucks. might be a good idea and just do the upgrades myself and then do the building once im familiar with desktops. the price with a 3060ti or 4060 still comes out at around 1400-1600. its hefty for me as I don't even drop that kind of money on laptops

[Tenoroon]

Hey fellas!

I've been slammed with school and preparing for university but it's finally my winter break. I can finally get around to pushing a 4930mx to its limits.

I purchased one off of Ebay for pretty cheap about a week ago and it just arrived. I'm assuming it's had a good life as it looks significantly better than the old one... 

 

If any of you remember, the old one died. It still works, but the iGPU is FUBAR'd. It artifacts like crazy and gives false temp readings. While I wished I noticed this earlier, when inspecting the old 4930mx recently, I noticed that the die was chipped in the lower right corner (If you have a keen eye, you can see in the picture above). Knowing where the chip is can explain the iGPU damage. If we look at a Haswell die shot, we can see that the chip in the die lines up with where the iGPU would be:

 

Within the next few weeks while it's still freezing outside, I'll be trying to push the new 4930mx. I'm trying to think of how to go about cooling it. I'd like to ditch the Cicichen cooler for a big tower cooler, but I don't know how to go about mounting one. (Maybe I could take a blade to a cheap desktop Haswell CPU to get the IHS and place the IHS on the 4930mx and put a bunch of weight on whatever cooler I use and hope it's enough pressure.) I could also always mod the Cicichen heatsink, but there's not too much space to add anything and it would probably need to be lapped. I'm still thinking about everything. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

 

[electrosoft]

45 minutes ago, ryan said:

hey @cylix. always appreciated when you guys help.

 

I can do a build with memoryexpress.com its the same as just buying the parts but instead of me piecing it together they build it for you for 75 bucks. might be a good idea and just do the upgrades myself and then do the building once im familiar with desktops. the price with a 3060ti or 4060 still comes out at around 1400-1600. its hefty for me as I don't even drop that kind of money on laptops

 

Did you price check their components on PCpartpicker to see if they are charging real market costs or did they jack them up a bit?