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[ryan]

interesting. lol

 

 

Both are maxed out.

 

I see laptop like sports cars and desktops like dump trucks. I like sleek women and sleek computers. performance? I can max out a game with boost off and net the same framerate. no gaming difference from 2.2ghz to 5.4ghz. been that way for a long time. I don't video edit.(many people dont run a mavels comics studio in their basement)

[Papusan]

18 hours ago, ryan said:

is this worth 3k over a 3060.

 

heres what it can do with a little bump of gpu and a bump down to cpu

 

 

Nope. Here's from my son's 3070. I expect higher scores if done with my KS pushing physics above 64.000.

 

On 5/11/2024 at 6:35 AM, electrosoft said:

Uh oh.....Asus repair is now in GN's crosshairs....

 

 

$200 scam could I live with from Asus. But $2750 fee for replacing the small cute GPU power connector is harder to swallow. It seems Asus can live very well with bad reputation.

 

Asus quotes ridiculous $2,750 fee to replace chipped GPU power connector— docs back up claims of egregious repair pricing for $2,000 RTX 4090 GPU

 

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The tech trend continue rolling. Offer more performance but at the end pull it back. Laptop tech is the new future. Intel already offer it with their modern hybrid processors containing phone cores and arch.

 

Here is what to expect for tomorrows new modern tech. More of Thermal throttling algorithm and software/drivers to handle it is the gods saviour. Give with one hand then take it back with the other hand.

 

Intel's answer to PCIe 6 heat concerns is a driver that throttles bus speeds

Higher transfer speeds come at a cost

 

The new PCIe bandwidth controller driver has been through five revisions so far as Intel engineers continue refining the thermal throttling implementation. It's not finalized yet, but adoption is likely coming in the next year or so.

[ryan]

oh ok. thanks

 

sorry bros I messed up.

 

 

also though I fixed the issues I had with this craptop. I love laptops but less now.

 

1) changed power limit to 105w

2) when im getting 140-400fps I just lock frame rate to 120 and accordingly to 60 if need be.

3) using my cooler in a way that cools laptop better

4) just using stock clocks

5) temps were 68c gpu and 78c on cpu after 1 hour of gaming. so its actually quite good. timespy score of just over 18k so right in line with other manufactures and other variations of the 4080.

6) I have options, I can disable e cores for 25 percent gpu boost. also I can wait for a bios update or shunt mod

7) happy camper now, sure I can't get an extra 10-20 percent boost via overclocking but thats not common with laptops these days, main boosts comes from lowering unessessary settings and technologies like DLSS.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

$200 scam could I live with from Asus. But $2750 fee for replacing the small cute GPU power connector is harder to swallow. It seems Asus can live very well with bad reputation.

 

Asus quotes ridiculous $2,750 fee to replace chipped GPU power connector— docs back up claims of egregious repair pricing for $2,000 RTX 4090 GPU

If reputation mattered in the technology space there would be no technology. The industry is driven by dishonesty and the lack of integrity seems to be an inherent vice. Some brands stand out as being exceptionally dishonest, and ASUS is one of them. With all of them licking the boots of Micro$lop the future is bleak.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If reputation mattered in the technology space there would be no technology. The industry is driven by dishonesty and the lack of integrity seems to be an inherent vice. Some brands stand out as being exceptionally dishonest, and ASUS is one of them. With all of them licking the boots of Micro$lop the future is bleak.

 

With better quality, QC and engineering you will get better products who will have less problems. But this won't happen.... Maximized profits is the only goal. You all have to acccept worse tech products forwards. 

 

2 hours ago, ryan said:

also though I fixed the issues I had with this craptop. I love laptops but less now.

 

Me....No love for it. They all offer me nothing. Just more anger. 

 

Exactly what desktop users want. More hardware meant for phones and Jokebooks🤢🤢🤢

Multiple Arm vendors are making chips for desktop PCs — Arm exec says Qualcomm Snapdragon won't be the only game in town🤮

 

 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, ryan said:

oh ok. thanks

 

sorry bros I messed up.

 

 

also though I fixed the issues I had with this craptop. I love laptops but less now.

 

1) changed power limit to 105w

2) when im getting 140-400fps I just lock frame rate to 120 and accordingly to 60 if need be.

3) using my cooler in a way that cools laptop better

4) just using stock clocks

5) temps were 68c gpu and 78c on cpu after 1 hour of gaming. so its actually quite good. timespy score of just over 18k so right in line with other manufactures and other variations of the 4080.

6) I have options, I can disable e cores for 25 percent gpu boost. also I can wait for a bios update or shunt mod

7) happy camper now, sure I can't get an extra 10-20 percent boost via overclocking but thats not common with laptops these days, main boosts comes from lowering unessessary settings and technologies like DLSS.

 

Finding that sweet spot for power limits especially on laptops is a good thing for the CPU and GPU

 

I always lock my frames even on desktop. Thereis no reason to abuse the GPU for those massive spikes (and heat, pull, noise) and work for a consistent window of performance. For me it is ~144fps as my locked point even on this 240hz killer display.

 

Best way to test air flow is to try your laptop with the bottom off and on to give you an idea of how much airflow is being compromised and adjust accordingly (IE, cooling pad for more forced injection or modding the bottom to allow more air flow).

 

Yep, boost clocks aren't always the end of all even on desktop use especially if your being GPU limited in many scenarios.

 

Those temps are very good for laptop use. Down the road, cracking it open and using PT7950 or LM will probably net you even better cooling along with maybe analyzing the heatsink and cross airflow to invest in some low profile heatsinks strategically placed for extra heat dissipation.

 

e-cores are a tricky thing. Some games love them and other don't. Also see if Intel's APB software can be used to increase performance. Best to test with them off and on per game to see if it's worth disabling them.

 

You may find down the road as you address hardware cooling limitations and UV table unlocks become available, you'll be able to boost performance as needed. A good 13900hx setup should be hitting 32k+ in CB23 but you can address that later if needed depending on needs/desires. If you're hitting 18k+ in TS and gaming with those temps you are good to go atm.

 

And as always, if you're unhappy, be wary of your return window. 🙂

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Speaking of games, looks like a pretty trippy horror shooter for $17.99 ($42.00 discount) for a couple more days on Epic.

 

https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/the-callisto-protocol

 

All graphics settings maxed out and FSR/DLSS disabled, maxed out ray tracing. 296 FPS average.

[Papusan]

Nvidia will come up with brand new graphics cards while AMD offer bugfix for previous gen cards. What an difference between these GPU manufacturers. You got'a love AMD bro @Mr. Fox😀 AMD is also very known for re-hashing/rebranding old graphics cards. This is what we call milking.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rdna5-is-reportedly-entirely-new-architecture-design-rdna4-merely-a-bug-fix-for-rdna3

[Reciever]

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Nvidia will come up with brand new graphics cards while AMD offer bugfix for previous gen cards. What an difference between these GPU manufacturers. You got'a love AMD bro @Mr. Fox😀 AMD is also very known for re-hashing/rebranding old graphics cards. This is what we call milking.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rdna5-is-reportedly-entirely-new-architecture-design-rdna4-merely-a-bug-fix-for-rdna3

Lets not pretend that both vendors dont participate in rehashing, rebranding etc etc of their product lineups. 

 

2028 according to that article yikes, looks like thye are going to release something akin to what the 5700xt was. I can grab a 7900 XTX and sit pretty for some time then.

[Papusan]

22 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Lets not pretend that both vendors dont participate in rehashing, rebranding etc etc of their product lineups. 

 

2028 according to that article yikes, looks like thye are going to release something akin to what the 5700xt was. I can grab a 7900 XTX and sit pretty for some time then.

 

My main point. AMD is a lot worse than Nvidia. Even cuurent gen Radeon is rehash of previous gen. Now they will make bug-fix of current gen cards and dub it zen 4. Higher numbers better? That's 3 in a row. This is same paths as we know Intel follow for their Cpu's. 

 

 

[Reciever]

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

My main point. AMD is a lot worse than Nvidia. Even cuurent gen Radeon is rehash of previous gen. Now they will make bug-fix of current gen cards and dub it zen 4. Higher numbers better? That's 3 in a row. This is same paths as we know Intel follow for their Cpu's. 

 

 

 

And my main point, is that they both engage in such behavior when it suits them. 

 

 

GT 730 rebranded from a RT 430 in designation where both Fermi and Kepler share the same product names? :( Cant even say this is a bug fix.

 

 

[electrosoft]

59 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Lets not pretend that both vendors dont participate in rehashing, rebranding etc etc of their product lineups. 

 

2028 according to that article yikes, looks like thye are going to release something akin to what the 5700xt was. I can grab a 7900 XTX and sit pretty for some time then.

 

5700xt was that nice, well priced, calm before the storm of 6000 series. I used one for a year for 2560x1600 gaming and it held up very well for WoW before the engine revamp from Blizzard.

 

If AMD needs a timeout again because Nvidia is just firing on cylinders atm, I get it. 🙂

 

I'm still waiting on a few parts to finish my daughter's Team AMD total rebuild with the Powercolor white 7900xtx. I ended up changing everything when all was said and done.

[ryan]

Woah I feel I huge sense of relief.. returned the laptop. It was faulty. Artifacts on chrome and crashing and overheating like I've never seen..not so much reported temps but keyboard area being hot enough to cook an egg.

 

Realized one thing though. My omen still has the power to last another 1 -2 years. Fg was nice and gaming at 120fps was nice also. But honestly 60 felt just as good for whatever reason.

 

Thanks for the help and opinions. Need to be less impulsive

[Papusan]

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

$200 scam could I live with from Asus. But $2750 fee for replacing the small cute GPU power connector is harder to swallow. It seems Asus can live very well with bad reputation.

 

Asus quotes ridiculous $2,750 fee to replace chipped GPU power connector— docs back up claims of egregious repair pricing for $2,000 RTX 4090 GPU

 

 

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If reputation mattered in the technology space there would be no technology. The industry is driven by dishonesty and the lack of integrity seems to be an inherent vice. Some brands stand out as being exceptionally dishonest, and ASUS is one of them. With all of them licking the boots of Micro$lop the future is bleak.

 

Spread the words. Asus is trash. Don't buy it. Directly out from Louis mouth. 

 

22 minutes ago, ryan said:

Woah I feel I huge sense of relief.. returned the laptop. It was faulty. Artifacts on chrome and crashing and overheating like I've never seen..

 

Realized one thing though. My omen still has the power to last another 1 -2 years. Fg was nice and gaming at 120fps was nice also. But honestly 60 felt just as good for whatever reason.

 

Thanks for the help and opinions. Need to be less impulsive

 

Happy for you my friend🙂

 

[Reciever]

16 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

5700xt was that nice, well priced, calm before the storm of 6000 series. I used one for a year for 2560x1600 gaming and it held up very well for WoW before the engine revamp from Blizzard.

 

If AMD needs a timeout again because Nvidia is just firing on cylinders atm, I get it. 🙂

 

I'm still waiting on a few parts to finish my daughter's Team AMD total rebuild with the Powercolor white 7900xtx. I ended up changing everything when all was said and done.

I still have my Red Devil 5700 XT, pushed it to match 1080Ti, at least in some synthetics. Keep it as a just a case card as its not really worth the hassle of selling. 

 

Just now, Papusan said:

 

 

Spread the words. Asus is trash. Don't buy it. Directly out from Louis mouth. 

 

 

 

 

The System Administrator at work refuses to believe me when I say Asus makes a decent product but their QA is hot garbage. Nonplot twist, he's got quite a few Asus parts for his main rig.

 

 

[electrosoft]

46 minutes ago, ryan said:

Woah I feel I huge sense of relief.. returned the laptop. It was faulty. Artifacts on chrome and crashing and overheating like I've never seen..not so much reported temps but keyboard area being hot enough to cook an egg.

 

Realized one thing though. My omen still has the power to last another 1 -2 years. Fg was nice and gaming at 120fps was nice also. But honestly 60 felt just as good for whatever reason.

 

Thanks for the help and opinions. Need to be less impulsive

 

It's your $$$ bro. If I feel ANY need to return an item, I do. Many moons ago I actually felt bad returning some items but then I realized money doesn't grow on trees and I want 100% satisfaction for big ticket purchases especially.

 

Now you can sit back and decide what you want next if at all.

 

[ryan]

I might be a nomad soon. travelling around. still thinking about a legion 9i on sale for 3100cad with a 3,2k miniled display. but still 3k it better be good and even if it is is it worth the 3k. I need to sell all my laptops except my zenbook which I actually for the first time didnt have buyers remorse, gorgeous laptop in everyway. bought a backpack that fits upto 16in laptops, so yeah might be moving around soon.

 

when the time comes I hope I end up in heaven not hell. if their is such a thing. who knows what happens when we die, no ones come back

[Papusan]

AMD's gaming graphics business looks like it's in terminal decline

By Pcgamer.com 

 

There's no getting round it, the Radeon RX 7000 GPU family looks like a disaster.

 

What is a disaster? The same as Jokebooks? You want a disaster bro @Mr. Fox?😀

 

 

Here's more disaster but this time from Nvidia and their AIB partners.... 

 

I hope Manli offer cheaper repairs than Asus. Because the new re-hashed revised (12V-2×6) Gpu power connector isn't the gods saviour for the 4090 users as people think. 

 

Again and again the user's fault for Manli... overclocking.com

[win32asmguy]

13 hours ago, ryan said:

I might be a nomad soon. travelling around. still thinking about a legion 9i on sale for 3100cad with a 3,2k miniled display. but still 3k it better be good and even if it is is it worth the 3k. I need to sell all my laptops except my zenbook which I actually for the first time didnt have buyers remorse, gorgeous laptop in everyway. bought a backpack that fits upto 16in laptops, so yeah might be moving around soon.

 

when the time comes I hope I end up in heaven not hell. if their is such a thing. who knows what happens when we die, no ones come back

 

If you happen to go the Linux-friendly laptop route I would suggest the System76 Oryx Pro 12. It is a Clevo PE60 chassis which is their only model with a vapor chamber. The firmware (both BIOS and EC) can be customized so it is closer to a desktop mainboard in that regard. I have the X370 myself but it has an inferior cooling system unfortunately so it has trouble with maintaining high combined loads. It is sad that the X170 has such a better cooling system than the X370. They literally cut the z-height in half from one generation to the next which was completely unnecessary for a "flagship" model.

[Talon]

On 5/12/2024 at 6:48 AM, Papusan said:

 

Nope. Here's from my son's 3070. I expect higher scores if done with my KS pushing physics above 64.000.

 

 

$200 scam could I live with from Asus. But $2750 fee for replacing the small cute GPU power connector is harder to swallow. It seems Asus can live very well with bad reputation.

 

Asus quotes ridiculous $2,750 fee to replace chipped GPU power connector— docs back up claims of egregious repair pricing for $2,000 RTX 4090 GPU

 

 

Here is what to expect for tomorrows new modern tech. More of Thermal throttling algorithm and software/drivers to handle it is the gods saviour. Give with one hand then take it back with the other hand.

 

Intel's answer to PCIe 6 heat concerns is a driver that throttles bus speeds

Higher transfer speeds come at a cost

 

The new PCIe bandwidth controller driver has been through five revisions so far as Intel engineers continue refining the thermal throttling implementation. It's not finalized yet, but adoption is likely coming in the next year or so.

 

Exactly why I haven't even bothered with PCIE 5.0 drives. They run hot, it's not a noticeable improvement in daily use, and they're expensive. I doubt PCIE 6.0 drives will be any better. PCIE 4.0 isn't even saturated yet, not even close, but newer is always better!!

[electrosoft]

42 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Exactly why I haven't even bothered with PCIE 5.0 drives. They run hot, it's not a noticeable improvement in daily use, and they're expensive. I doubt PCIE 6.0 drives will be any better. PCIE 4.0 isn't even saturated yet, not even close, but newer is always better!!

 

Ditto.

 

I needed a few drives so I picked up some open box 980 Pro's for a fraction of the cost and full warranties. Until they can figure out how to get Optane level Random I/O+ on NVME, I'll stick with Gen3/4 drives.

 

 

[ryan]

I third that, I bought a pci 4 drive also, great price.

 

4tb 7400mbs for 300 cad

[Mr. Fox]

Having tested and used Gen3, Gen4 and Gen5, I honestly cannot tell them apart other than benchmark scores and higher temps as the drive speed increases. Anything as fast or faster than SATA SSD feels the same to me in normal daily use. For the vast majority of users this is a worthless upgrade and unless it is free it isn't worth having and certainly not worth spending anything extra for. Almost seems silly to pursue it to me. It is a gimmick that gives the manufacturers something new and more expensive to sell to people that won't benefit from the purchase.

[ryan]

yeah Im having to second guess my tech choices now. newer is always better. but for gaming desktops/laptops/tablets sometimes the smart choice is right smack inbetween whats on offer. Im rethinking upgrading to anything after booting up GRID 2019 and setting the important settings to ultra high and some less visually appealing settings to medium/low and yeah i chuckled at the framerates i was getting a locked 120 on some levels and 75-90 with VRR/Gsync on others. the experience ironically is identical to what I was getting out of the predator helios. basically 0 vs 3000 and with the 3000 I get 0 benefit in any way shape or form besides a number saying its better and papusan nagging me saying newer is always better, lol.

 

I have a 3500 drive/ 5000 drive/ 7400 drive and I cannot tell which drive is which without benchmarking it with crystal disk mark. 0 difference. Im sure you save half a second or two with transfers but who doesnt have a second or two to waste.

 

ok Iv'e whittled it down.

 

1) buy golden crocs and bench the poop outta my 3060 get better/newer scores and call it a day

2) buy a legion 7i with 4080

3) build a desktop from the ground up with a 4070ti super

4) SAVE

 

 

ok because I want the very best overclocking gear and love my current setup

 

just ordered these for 2867.99 cad free shipping'

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah Im having to second guess my tech choices now. newer is always better. but for gaming desktops/laptops/tablets sometimes the smart choice is right smack inbetween whats on offer. Im rethinking upgrading to anything after booting up GRID 2019 and setting the important settings to ultra high and some less visually appealing settings to medium/low and yeah i chuckled at the framerates i was getting a locked 120 on some levels and 75-90 with VRR/Gsync on others. the experience ironically is identical to what I was getting out of the predator helios. basically 0 vs 3000 and with the 3000 I get 0 benefit in any way shape or form besides a number saying its better and papusan nagging me saying newer is always better, lol.

 

I have a 3500 drive/ 5000 drive/ 7400 drive and I cannot tell which drive is which without benchmarking it with crystal disk mark. 0 difference. Im sure you save half a second or two with transfers but who doesnt have a second or two to waste.

I only have one 4K monitor on one of my desktops. On the other desktop my primary monitor is 1440p. If I were building a computer just for gaming and not for overclocked benching it would not have the components I have now and it would cost about half as much.

 

As long as the gameplay is smooth and silky and can run full resolution with decent image quality settings then your hardware is sufficient for the task. Anything extra needs to be for something else and isn't necessary for gaming. I do really like the way ray tracing makes games look and prefer to have it enabled whenever possible, so you need at least a high mid-range Nvidia GPU for that. A low budget option is not going to handle that gracefully.