*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

15 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

btw, happy election day in the US! just like with Intel vs. AMD, whether u guys vote team blue or red, just go out and do the work! 🙂 

Thank you, Jesus!

  

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Sadly that depends from board to board. The Gigabyte x870e Aours Pro Ice, which i wanted beacuse of the white color has 4 slots but.

1x PCI Express x16 slot (PCIEX16), integrated in the CPU:
AMD Ryzen™ 9000/7000 Series Processors support PCIe 5.0 x16 mode
* The M2B_CPU and M2C_CPU connectors share bandwidth with the PCIEX16 slot.When theM2B_CPU orM2C_CPU connector is populated, the PCIEX16 slot operates at up to x8 mode.

 

so it looks if u have one drive in any of those other 2 slots (M2B and and M2C) the pciex 16 gpu slot will operate at x8 only..

It is interesting that the X870E Carbon manual makes no mention of this that I can find, but I remember in one of the videos I watched (don't recall if it was KitGuru or Wendell at L1) it was mentioned that if both Gen5 M.2 slots are populated it will do that. I also do not remember if it was a specific board or all of them. The one under the GPU PCIe x16 slot is shared with the slot if I remember correctly. It would have been better to have only one Gen5 slot for sure. I love that the Apex has none. It makes it better than the Encore for that reason alone. If you want Gen5 you can use the included add-in card and cripple your GPU. It is unfortunate as well that many new Intel and AMD motherboard have only 4 SATA ports. In some cases one of the SATA ports is shared with one M.2 and both cannot be used. (I think only the lower tier chipsets, not Z or X have this handicap.) That really sucks.

 

X870E Carbon User Manual

[cylix]

Finally an interesting product 😄

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Finally an interesting product 😄

 

 

Sadly, it is only 8 cores. Makes it a gamer-only solution. Good if gaming trumps everything, but not good otherwise.

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On the topic of SAD, why would anyone flush money down the toilet on this rubbish memory? Crucial DDR5 Pro. But, the question is "Pro" what? I got this free with a Gen5 M.2 review for Crucial a long time ago, so free is good and I cannot complain on that basis. But, I cannot imagine anyone buying this on purpose. I put this in the Velocita since I will be using the  8000 kit in the Carbon. Glad I have something to use, but still... LOL.

 

I bumped it from 5600 to 6000 and tightened the timings as far as they can go without failing to boot and it still performs horribly. Truly pathetic and unworthy of consideration for any purpose.

[win32asmguy]

2 hours ago, cylix said:

I was also looking for a x870e board but man almost all of them have that stupid pcie lane splitting bullshit, if i plan to use 3 ssds the gpu pcie x16 will get only 8x. Looks like only the asrock taichi and nova dont have it. And the stupid  +1000 $ Mb aswell. But the taichi is matx and doesnt fit in my case like i want and also i have a white build and  both gigabyte white mainboards and also the white strix are dumbed down pcie bifurcation stupidity.

 

Is there a pretty big performance penalty to use the drives in a pcie slot with an adapter instead?

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? Build something for gamers and overclocking enthusiasts and give it "special" features that no gamer or overclocking enthusiast would want. That's the new way everyone rolls in tech world now. Pat on the back and a knife to the gut.

 

Isn't it amusing? Offer useless features for gaming/Oc boards that will cripple the GPU performance.

 

On 11/4/2024 at 9:01 PM, Papusan said:

 

That one cost close to 1/3 of an Core Ultra 9 285K and perform about equal in games. On top.... Intel pay more for TSMC silicon and it is still worse than the cheapest you get from AMD. Hmmm. Nothing can save Arrow lake from an utter flop. In short... Intel have nothing for gaming outside their old soon EOL in-house made Raptor lake chips. 

 

Even these are shorter in the tooths now. No point in buying a brand new or the old Intel platform for tomorrow's gaming. So Intel offer nothing for the gamers. Only loads of power efficient Baby cores and castrated P-cores (no HT).

 

But the new tile mess from Intel isn't bad in everything for gaming...🥴 Intel Core Ultra 9 285K internal graphics can play Battlefield 2 at an average of 120+ FPS at 1080p medium and low quality.

 

Here's more from today's tech trend....

I've tested Asus' new Turbo Game Mode for AMD CPUs and my verdict is simple: Don't use it

 

With AMDs new X3D v-cashe chips.... Be you sure Intel will suffer hard from their stupid move to the new MOBILE Core Ultra Architecture that destroyed gaming improvement over previous gen. Intel will be hit hard for their new Core Ultra gaming trash. 

 

See.... If you take that out, the 9800X3D runs a whopping 30 percent faster than Intel’s biggest dog. It’s 45 percent faster than the 285K in Cyberpunk 2077 with ray tracing off.

 

Ryzen 7 9800X3D review: AMD’s new gaming titan obliterates Intel’s best hybrid mess.

 

35 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sadly, it is only 8 cores. Makes is a gamer-only solution. Good if gaming trumps everything, but not good otherwise.

 

Yup, but Intel's new Core Ultra is only very good in Cinebench. +80% of 2D benchmarks on hwbot just show regression vs older Raptor Lake. And not to forget 3D benches. Totally useless if you want to compete. Then you have gaming... Beaten by Ryzan by 30%. Can't be any worse than this. And Intel will pay for this misstake. Be you sure.

 

Have to wait until Nova/Panther Lake is out late next year is all too long wait. Then the damage is already done. Intel need something much better within the spring next year. The damage will increase for every new week forwards.

 

Overclocking the power efficient new E-cores to make it perform slight better is the engineers idiot Cpu design. The whole concept with re-introduced max power efficiency at the cost of better performance in all tasks is just too dumb. 

[cylix]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sadly, it is only 8 cores. Makes is a gamer-only solution. Good if gaming trumps everything, but not good otherwise.

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Lets hope the 16 core will follow its success.

 

9 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Is there a pretty big performance penalty to use the drives in a pcie slot with an adapter instead?

 

Hmm..that i still need to look it up 😄

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Is there a pretty big performance penalty to use the drives in a pcie slot with an adapter instead?

 

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Hmm..that i still need to look it up 😄

No there is not. Those work great, even with multiple NVMe on the card. I have 8 NVMe SSDs on the Apex Encore and 9 on the Apex, including add-in PCIe cards. On the Velocita I have a single NVMe card in the bottom PCIe slot and all work marvelously.

This one is my favorite, but not because I wrote the review: https://reviews.extremehw.net/all-reviews/sabrent-4-drive-nvme-m-2-ssd-to-pcie-3-0-x4-adapter-card-review/

[Meaker]

There are some interesting productivity cases where I think the I/O die is holding the 9000 series silicon back and the cache is helping ease that so that the 9950X3d which could actually really benefit given the restrictions. I'll be interested in the benchmarks.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Yup, but Intel's new Core Ultra is only very good in Cinebench. +80% of 2D benchmarks on hwbot just show regression vs older Raptor Lake. And not to forget 3D benches. Totally useless if you want to compete. Then you have gaming... Beaten by Ryzan by 30%. Can't be any worse than this. And Intel will pay for this misstake. Be you sure.

 

 

[Meaker]

19 hours ago, tps3443 said:

How do you plan to run these? Raid 0? I’d be curious what type of performance they provide. Are these just mechanical HDD? Still very curious. I’ve been looking in to some larger volume storage setups. Tired of deleting stuff to make space. I want to keep all of my files/apps/games and build on it. 

Raid 5 for these 🙂 They are 7200RPM enterprise seagate drives. Pretty quiet actually, I booted everything up for a test and initialised an array and did some basic tests.

[Rage Set]

I am in a wait and see mode. The more I've researched W790, the more I see that Intel simply slapped "overclocking" as an afterthought. So I am not enthusiastic that Intel will fix its approach with W890.

 

As for AMD, I will give the 9950X3D a cursory lookover but I am not bullish on it either. The saving grace for that CPU is that I have a mobo available that will work with it, otherwise I am going to stick with the 7600X for longer. 

 

The only thing I can look forward to hopefully is the 5090. Hopefully, Nvidia doesn't release a 5090 TI this generation or I am going to be seriously pissed. 

[electrosoft]

Just now, Rage Set said:

I am in a wait and see mode. The more I've researched W790, the more I see that Intel simply slapped "overclocking" as an afterthought. So I am not enthusiastic that Intel will fix its approach with W890.

 

As for AMD, I will give the 9950X3D a cursory lookover but I am not bullish on it either. The saving grace for that CPU is that I have a mobo available that will work with it, otherwise I am going to stick with the 7600X for longer. 

 

The only thing I can look forward to hopefully is the 5090. Hopefully, Nvidia doesn't release a 5090 TI this generation or I am going to be seriously pissed. 

 

My take exactly....

 

Luckily we didn't get screwed over with a 4090ti because Nvidia can't make enough full fat cores to keep AI customers happy. Hopefully the same will ring true with the 5090.

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, Rage Set said:

Hopefully, Nvidia doesn't release a 5090 TI this generation or I am going to be seriously pissed. 

And, you would be rightfully so. If they are going to do that it needs to be the first model launched and make everyone else wait for the non-Ti 5090 to follow later. Pulling that stunt on people that already purchase the flagship X090 is just playing dirty pool. Despicable and scummy even.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Luckily we didn't get screwed over with a 4090ti because Nvidia can't make enough full fat cores to keep AI customers happy. Hopefully the same will ring true with the 5090.

 

Then we have AMD and with F. Azor so no more higher end Radeon cards. In short... Nvidia have no reson to use their fat die for an 5090Ti for only gamer graphics cards. Or maybe for AI graphics for prosumers? Yup, Nvidia could do that if the MSRP is put correct for an slight cut down Ti card. 

 

Edit. Exactly where Intel is right now. In the utter bottom of the chart. Can't be any better than this (sarcasm). 

[jaybee83]

13 hours ago, cylix said:

Finally an interesting product 😄

 

 

 9950X3D it is, then 🙂 

 

9 hours ago, Rage Set said:

I am in a wait and see mode. The more I've researched W790, the more I see that Intel simply slapped "overclocking" as an afterthought. So I am not enthusiastic that Intel will fix its approach with W890.

 

As for AMD, I will give the 9950X3D a cursory lookover but I am not bullish on it either. The saving grace for that CPU is that I have a mobo available that will work with it, otherwise I am going to stick with the 7600X for longer. 

 

The only thing I can look forward to hopefully is the 5090. Hopefully, Nvidia doesn't release a 5090 TI this generation or I am going to be seriously pissed. 

 

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

My take exactly....

 

Luckily we didn't get screwed over with a 4090ti because Nvidia can't make enough full fat cores to keep AI customers happy. Hopefully the same will ring true with the 5090.

 

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

And, you would be rightfully so. If they are going to do that it needs to be the first model launched and make everyone else wait for the non-Ti 5090 to follow later. Pulling that stunt on people that already purchase the flagship X090 is just playing dirty pool. Despicable and scummy even.

 

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Then we have AMD and with F. Azor so no more higher end Radeon cards. In short... Nvidia have no reson to use their fat die for an 5090Ti for only gamer graphics cards. Or maybe for AI graphics for prosumers? Yup, Nvidia could do that if the MSRP is put correct for an slight cut down Ti card. 

 

no worries on that front, why would they waste that good AI silicon on consumers if theres no threat from AMD? besides, even IF they released a 5090 Ti a year later, it would only provide a small 10-15% bump and only be top dog for a year max before 60 series comes out. so either way u look at it, no reason whatsoever to sweat about a 5090 Ti 🙂 

 

edit: @Reciever sorry for the double post mate, pls fuse together 🙂 

[Rage Set]

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

 

 

no worries on that front, why would they waste that good AI silicon on consumers if theres no threat from AMD? besides, even IF they released a 5090 Ti a year later, it would only provide a small 10-15% bump and only be top dog for a year max before 60 series comes out. so either way u look at it, no reason whatsoever to sweat about a 5090 Ti 🙂 

 

edit: @Reciever sorry for the double post mate, pls fuse together 🙂 

 

I agree to an extent. My problem stems from owning several 3090's, thinking it would remain the top dog (even after the release of the 3080 Ti made it less relevant). Then Nvidia released the 3090 Ti (those owners didn't even get a full year before the 4090 came out) as a greedy slap to all 3090 owners. That is why I completely avoided the 40 series up, until the past month when I purchased a used 4070 Super at a really good price. 

 

If Nvidia does this again, I will stop buying Nvidia products. I will not care how performant their cards are in the future. 

[Papusan]

 

Hmmm.... Maybe not the overclocker people hoped for? Why the automatic decrease of voltage once you try get more out from the chips yet the cpu is still within max temp threshold? This is bad behaviour from the board partner. Also the reviewer could have contributed to this overclocking mess. 

 

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D in review: Overclocking, RAM-OC and Turbo Mode

 

Interesting: At 5.4 instead of 5.2 GHz, the result in Cinebench was four percent better, analogous to the clock speed increase, but the power consumption did not increase. The Asus motherboard (ROG X870E Crosshair Hero) may have had a hand in this by lowering the operating voltage when overclocking.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm.... Maybe not the overclocker people hoped for? Why the automatic decrease of voltage once you try get more out from the chips yet the cpu is still within max temp threshold? This is bad behaviour from the board partner. Also the reviewer could have contributed to this overclocking mess. 

 

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D in review: Overclocking, RAM-OC and Turbo Mode

 

Interesting: At 5.4 instead of 5.2 GHz, the result in Cinebench was four percent better, analogous to the clock speed increase, but the power consumption did not increase. The Asus motherboard (ROG X870E Crosshair Hero) may have had a hand in this by lowering the operating voltage when overclocking.

That sounds a bit like the stupid stunt Intel pulled with Core Ultra voltage capping crap. Maybe they are scared of their CPUs catching fire like what happened a year or two ago. But, it's made for gamers, not overclockers. 

[Papusan]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That sounds a bit like the stupid stunt Intel pulled with Core Ultra voltage capping crap. Maybe they are scared of their CPUs catching fire like what happened a year or two ago. But, it made for gamers, not overclockers. 

 

Yup, the older Raptor lake looks like a better value all over... And on top you get 5 years warranty. Can't beat that🤩 Just oc your chips with maximum voltage to your heart's content and you'll get all your money back (full refund) when something better is out.  

 

The Intel Core i9-14900K currently costs around $430-$440 US which is a strong price for a chip that has been plagued with issues recent fixes from the blue team might once again position it as a strong chip but you are sacrificing a lot of power and thermal efficiency. The 14900K is slower but in the end, it's a decent mix of high-end productivity and gaming performance. The Core Ultra 9 285K doesn't seem to be as good of a choice. 

 

https://wccftech.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-3d-v-cache-cpu-review/9/

 

[Clamibot]

Woo hoo! I tried my hand at memory overclocking for the first time today and was able to successfully get a 5% overclock on the memory speed on my 4 dimm motherboard from 4000 MHz to 4200 MHz. IMC voltage is at 1.5v and the DRAM voltage is at 1.52v. This seems stable.

 

I did at first try my hand at tightening timings but ultimately gave up for now as I couldn't get it stable after messing with them for a few hours, so I instead opted for the brute force approach, which I was successful with. I probably should've gone witht he brute force approach first with me being new to memory overclocking. I'll try my hand at tightening timings again another time.

 

After having used a system with an AMD dGPU for a while and getting used to it's idiosyncrasies, I much prefer AMD graphics cards now. Turns out, my black screen driver crashes that I've spent moths trying to figure out weren't because of AMD's drivers sucking. That was merely a symptom of the root cause, which was memory instability. My XMP profile was unstable at stock IMC voltages. Raising the voltage by 10mv made all the stupid crashes go away.

 

So PSA to those with AMD GPUs, if you experience random black screen crashes, consider raising your IMC voltage just a tad. This made all my headaches go away.

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Woo hoo! I tried my hand at memory overclocking for the first time today and was able to successfully get a 5% overclock on the memory speed on my 4 dimm motherboard from 4000 MHz to 4200 MHz. IMC voltage is at 1.5v and the DRAM voltage is at 1.52v. This seems stable.

 

I did at first try my hand at tightening timings but ultimately gave up for now as I couldn't get it stable after messing with them for a few hours, so I instead opted for the brute force approach, which I was successful with. I probably should've gone witht he brute force approach first with me being new to memory overclocking. I'll try my hand at tightening timings again another time.

 

After having used a system with an AMD dGPU for a while and getting used to it's idiosyncrasies, I much prefer AMD graphics cards now. Turns out, my black screen driver crashes that I've spent moths trying to figure out weren't because of AMD's drivers sucking. That was merely a symptom of the root cause, which was memory instability. My XMP profile was unstable at stock IMC voltages. Raising the voltage by 10mv made all the stupid crashes go away.

 

So PSA to those with AMD GPUs, if you experience random black screen crashes, consider raising your IMC voltage just a tad. This made all my headaches go away.

Congrats, bro. That's awesome. It is good that your first crack at it yielded results because it gives incentive to continuing pecking at it more. (Some people have a rough initial start, get frustrated and give it up to move onto something easier.) Memory overclocking can be fun when the hardware cooperates. Not so much fun when finding stability is difficult.

 

Memory overclocking makes a small difference in normal performance overall, but can be very beneficial with some games and benchmarks. 1.520V should be no problem at all unless it gets hot enough to start experiencing errors. That is not dangerously hot, but memory starts to error out when you push beyond 45°C. Anything above 50°C will make finding stability very difficult.

 

It will be interesting to see what has changed with AMD memory overclocking since owning the X570 mess 3 years ago. I hope it is easier and less frustrating than it was on the DDR4 platform with buggy Agesa firmware.

[cylix]

Looks Like the 9800x3d was the best launch ever for a cpu. Soldout everywhere in Germany in minutes. Mindfactory sold the the whole stock, more then 3000 in under 5 minutes.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Looks Like the 9800x3d was the best launch ever for a cpu. Soldout everywhere in Germany in minutes. Mindfactory sold the the whole stock, more then 3000 in under 5 minutes.

 

Looks to be an absolute gem of a CPU! Outside of strong multicore performance, it is the perfect gaming/home/work CPU. I know when I owned a 7800X3D, I was more than satisfied with it. No scheduler issues and firing almost all cylinders right out of the box.

 

It didn't experience as much uplift from tuning as the 12th-14th, but there were definitely gains to be had properly tuning your curve and memory for sure.

 

As usual, De8auer had one of the best reviews for us OCers and I was impressed. I'm just hoping the 9950X3D has it on both CCDs.

[Talon]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Looks to be an absolute gem of a CPU! Outside of strong multicore performance, it is the perfect gaming/home/work CPU. I know when I owned a 7800X3D, I was more than satisfied with it. No scheduler issues and firing almost all cylinders right out of the box.

 

It didn't experience as much uplift from tuning as the 12th-14th, but there were definitely gains to be had properly tuning your curve and memory for sure.

 

As usual, De8auer had one of the best reviews for us OCers and I was impressed. I'm just hoping the 9950X3D has it on both CCDs.

 

Took advantage of the Newegg trade in deal. $380 for my 14900KS SP105. 

 

Newegg has combo available for 9800X3D and X870E Hero for $999.99. I got free overnight shipping too. 

 

Grand total after my trade in was $619.99 + $62 tax. 

 

Not bad for a brand new 9800X3D and X870E Hero. 

 

O ya, it will be here tomorrow and saves me a trip to Microcenter. 

 

 

[electrosoft]

10 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Took advantage of the Newegg trade in deal. $380 for my 14900KS SP105. 

 

Newegg has combo available for 9800X3D and X870E Hero for $999.99. I got free overnight shipping too. 

 

Grand total after my trade in was $619.99 + $62 tax. 

 

Not bad for a brand new 9800X3D and X870E Hero. 

 

O ya, it will be here tomorrow and saves me a trip to Microcenter. 

 

 

 

Nice! This will be a good ole fashion shoot out incoming 285 vs 14900ks vs 9800X3D. 🙂

 

@Talon still living vicariously through your early hardware pickups  as always. 🤣