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[chew]

Is there an AI i can train that i can use to choke people through the internet?

 

🤔

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, chew said:

Is there an AI i can train that i can use to choke people through the internet?

 

🤔

 

Not sure you'll find it. AI is a bust😀 Maybe a better word is Flop?🤔 

AI PC revolution appears dead on arrival — 'supercycle’ for AI PCs and smartphones is a bust, analyst says

Not great news for the (AI industry) ceo Jensen...

 

Modern people. Modern tech solutions. A must have bro @Mr. Fox

 

 Here I can see a huge market for 3D printers bro @Rage Set🤩

 

Yup, the trend is clear. People want it hence more of the modern will be released

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Not sure you'll find it. AI is a bust😀 Maybe a better word is Flop?🤔 

AI PC revolution appears dead on arrival — 'supercycle’ for AI PCs and smartphones is a bust, analyst says

Not great news for the (AI industry) ceo Jensen...

 

Modern people. Modern tech solutions. A must have bro @Mr. Fox

 

Here I can see a huge market for 3D printers bro @Rage Set🤩

It makes me very happy to know that efforts of technology leaders (dumbasses) to advance AI are failing and I hope they continue to fail hard so that all companies abandon it because their financial losses are too great for them to continue pursuing something so stupid and undesirable. Not only am I pleased about that, I am equally filled with glee that it demonstrates a failure on the part of those companies to influence (manipulate) consumer mindset about this unwanted and unwelcomed technology. They will have to find a new way to advance their nefarious schemes and extortion plots to defraud the human race. I hope their losses are so painful and severe that they are reluctant and fearful of trying pulling another similar stunt in the future. Along with this, I hope that NVIDIA suffers financial losses equivalent to what Intel has suffered in recent days. They all need to be pulled off of their high-horses, gruffly smacked around, and taken down a peg or two... or three.

 

Yes, one can 3D print all sorts of things, but that doesn't mean that one should. 3D printing offers endless possibilities for creative expression, apparently none of which should ever be viewed as "too tacky" for consumers. Tacky products will always have a place because being tacky has become mainstream, at least generationally. (Look no further than the absurdly ugly trash for sale like Yeston GPUs and PC cases plastered with stupid-looking Manga and anime graphics.) I knew we were starting to circle the drain when decals somehow became an important and valuable "accessory" included with motherboards. God, please save us from the stupidity that surrounds us.

  

3 hours ago, chew said:

Is there an AI i can train that i can use to choke people through the internet?

 

🤔

Isn't that already one of the primary underlying commercial purposes and intents behind AI?

 

I might (maybe) know what is prompting you to ask that question. It's unfortunate that stupidity has become the new normal. It's tragic when the stupid have no idea how stupid they really are.

[win32asmguy]

I am testing mesh at 3ghz with 1.065v. This is what I progressed with so far:

 

24x 0.905v
25x 0.925v
26x 0.945v
27x 0.965v (failed)
27x 0.975v
28x 1.005v
29x 1.035v
30x 1.065v

 

For some reason setting a Cache offset voltage over +5mv in the bios causes hwinfo64 to BSOD when starting up. I checked the existing VF Curve for cache and from 18x to 23x it added 20mv for each step as reported.

 

I checked AIDA64 a couple of times as I was progressing and memory latency seemed to benefit along with L3 bandwidth and latency as well. In games 3ghz feels more responsive and has little to no frame rate dips any more (that chunking effect Electrosoft mentions in WoW). One other guy I found mentioned that 30x mesh was stable for him at 1.08v, but he was not able to get 31x or 32x stable.

 

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

I am testing mesh at 3ghz with 1.065v. This is what I progressed with so far:

 

24x 0.905v
25x 0.925v
26x 0.945v
27x 0.965v (failed)
27x 0.975v
28x 1.005v
29x 1.035v
30x 1.065v

 

For some reason setting a Cache offset voltage over +5mv in the bios causes hwinfo64 to BSOD when starting up. I checked the existing VF Curve for cache and from 18x to 23x it added 20mv for each step as reported.

 

I checked AIDA64 a couple of times as I was progressing and memory latency seemed to benefit along with L3 bandwidth and latency as well. In games 3ghz feels more responsive and has little to no frame rate dips any more (that chunking effect Electrosoft mentions in WoW). One other guy I found mentioned that 30x mesh was stable for him at 1.08v, but he was not able to get 31x or 32x stable.

 

Try kicking that voltage up to at least 1.450V or 1.500V and I think progress will come easier. Tighter timings and higher clocks will be attainable. The voltage you are using (under 1.100V) is too low and that will make it difficult to find stability. 

 

Edit: nevermind. I missed you said mesh. I thought memory. 

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by Mr. Fox
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[Mr. Fox]

16 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

That sure is some crazy high latency. Are you sure that is accurate? It looks like AIDA64 is not reading some things correctly. It does not show your actual memory clock and I have my doubts that the CPU clock is reading correctly (9900% overclock with 25MHz default). If you do a full report in AIDA64 and choose the option to send it to Finalwire along with your email, there is a good chance they will update it for proper function on your CPU. You can include a message asking the same when you send it to them. (You do that from within AIDA64.) They have done this for me many times over the years. Sometimes it takes a few days, but they've always gotten back to me.

[tps3443]

Meet “Trash Dog” the new living room RIG!!! The name is a long story. But essentially trash dog consist of some scraps and spare older parts but that’s not how his name came to be. Me and my son played on this system in the living room for a few days now with just the iGPU we have had a blast playing on it with no GPU at all! My son would always say “Let’s see how Trash-dog can run it” referring to installing and opening one of his favorite games, and “run it” as in how smooth it’ll be lol. (Usually not very smooth 😆) 

 

CPU: LTX Golden Sample 10900K SP106

Mobo: Aorus Z490

Ram: G.Skill 4x16GB DDR4 3800cl14

PSU: NZXT C1000

Cooler: Coolermaster 360 Sub-Zero Cryo

GPU: Intel B580 12GB 

 

 

[Papusan]

 

Gordon Mah Ung, PCWorld editor and renowned hardware journalist, dies at 58

 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That sure is some crazy high latency. Are you sure that is accurate? It looks like AIDA64 is not reading some things correctly. It does not show your actual memory clock and I have my doubts that the CPU clock is reading correctly (9900% overclock with 25MHz default). If you do a full report in AIDA64 and choose the option to send it to Finalwire along with your email, there is a good chance they will update it for proper function on your CPU. You can include a message asking the same when you send it to them. (You do that from within AIDA64.) They have done this for me many times over the years. Sometimes it takes a few days, but they've always gotten back to me.

 

I think the RCD chip on the memory adds 20-30ns latency. It is clocked at 6400 CL32-39-39-84. I think 6800 or even 7000 may be possible. I know its not as good as a 14900K can do but it is the price for having over 8 P-cores and no e-cores, while not being the AMD option. I will submit a full report to Finalwire. It would be nice if it could detect everything properly.

[tps3443]

Guys the Intel B580 is a RIPPER!! My son’s RTX3060 12GB is really fast! It will already outperform stock RTX 3060’s by about 15%. The reason for his really fast 3060 is because it’s a Strix OC with a +120 and +1350 overclock and of course the 210 watt bios helps. This completely stock B580 can outrun the heavy OC 3060 12GB by 50% in Firestrike.
 

Below is the 12900KS+3060 OCed+DDR5 6800, VS the stock 10900K/DDR4 3200/B580 all stock and all stock power limits. 
 

[Clamibot]

I just swapped my 144 Hz screen on my X170SM-G with a 300 Hz one. It was a pain in the butt to find the display cable for it, but it was worth it. I ended up finding the part on Aliexpress and then waited around for the cable to arrive. I just did the panel and cable swap today.

I also modded the screen to make it glossy. It looks amazing! I have a nice glossy 300 Hz screen for my X170SM-G now! The colors are better than on the 144 Hz screen and everything looks so much smoother on the 300 Hz screen (as it should).

 

I think I'm going to keep going higher and higher with my screen refresh rates as time goes by. My ultimate goal regarding screens is to acquire one where motion on it looks like real life (super duper ultra smooth). The 220 Hz screen I have for my desktop pushed me to get this 300 Hz one for my laptop. I'm very happy I got it!

 

[Papusan]

To all my friend on the forum. Merry Christmas🙂 The Julaften - Christmas Eve have now started here up home in the North. And no problem with snow this day as usual.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Merry Christmas to all of my brothers here and your families. May the Reason for the Season bless you and your families this Christmas and throughout the coming year.

 

2025 will be an interesting year for me and my family. I will likely begin the year with treatment for the prostate cancer they found in 2024. Thankfully, it was caught early and with great faith and confidence in the future, we will face it head on and with no fear.

 

While it is not an Intel system and has some things I do not like, I am enjoying seeing what the 9950X is capable of. It has definitely got a few limitations that I am not used to with Intel. It will be interesting to see what improves with the Gene. The Carbon is a very nice motherboard and better than what most gamerboys need or want, but it is not what I would view as being an overclocker's delight. While definitely better than the Taichi, I have to think that there is something better than the Carbon. The 4-DIMM configuration sucks for Red and Blue. Hopefully that will be where the 2-DIMM Gene steps in to kick butt and take names. It's too bad that it is mATX, but at least it's not iTX. I see a lot of Ryzen owners that are not happy with A$$zeus right now, but they are all the owners of 4-DIMM motherboards. Looks like the Carbon and Godlike are winning the sucky 4-DIMM war.

 

I sincerely hope that Intel will have their act together in 2025 and get back on their A-game. They really blew it with the Core Ultra abortion.

 

I have picked up a lot of useful tidbits from Brother @chew on Ryzen memory overclocking. Thanks, bro.

Spoiler

https://imgur.com/a/ULvlGr7

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 12/23/2024 at 3:44 PM, tps3443 said:

Meet “Trash Dog” the new living room RIG!!! The name is a long story. But essentially trash dog consist of some scraps and spare older parts but that’s not how his name came to be. Me and my son played on this system in the living room for a few days now with just the iGPU we have had a blast playing on it with no GPU at all! My son would always say “Let’s see how Trash-dog can run it” referring to installing and opening one of his favorite games, and “run it” as in how smooth it’ll be lol. (Usually not very smooth 😆) 

 

CPU: LTX Golden Sample 10900K SP106

Mobo: Aorus Z490

Ram: G.Skill 4x16GB DDR4 3800cl14

PSU: NZXT C1000

Cooler: Coolermaster 360 Sub-Zero Cryo

GPU: Intel B580 12GB 

 

 

That looks nice. What AIO is that? It has the pump in the lines and not integrated with the waterblock? It looks like the space between the case ceiling and motherboard is too small for a radiator without it overhanging (in front of) the motherboard. I don't know why they don't just make them 2 or 3 inches taller instead of that. I always find it annoying to have that area cramped for space and I think it looks better when there is some extra space at the top without the fans obstructing the view of (and access to) the EPS cables, fan headers and RAM latches.

 

How is the Arc B850? I really liked the Arc GPU I had. What would you compare it to in terms of performance? It really wiped the floor with that 3060. Did you just add it to "trash dog" and you were just playing on the iGPU before you got it?

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That looks nice. What AIO is that? It has the pump in the lines and not integrated with the waterblock? It looks like the space between the case ceiling and motherboard is too small for a radiator without it overhanging (in front of) the motherboard. I don't know why they don't just make them 2 or 3 inches taller instead of that. I always find it annoying to have that area cramped for space and I think it looks better when there is some extra space at the top without the fans obstructing the view of (and access to) the EPS cables, fan headers and RAM latches.

 

How is the Arc B850? I really liked the one I had. What would you compare it to in terms of performance? It really wiped the floor with that 3060. Did you just add it to "trash dog" and you were just playing on the iGPU before you got it?

Cooler is a CoolerMaster Cryo Subzero 360mm, this is the one that comes with the LTX Golden sample 10900. It can get the CPU down to like 0c idle if you enable “Unrestricted mode”. It’s very fun for benching the 10900K! I leave standard “Cryo Mode” enabled for daily and this automatically monitors ambient temps, and stays above dew point so condensation will not develop and make water. The B580 is really good! I’m seriously amazed by how fast it is. It absolutely mops the RTX 3060 Strix OC 12GB, and that 3060 has a really really heavy overclock on it, and it’s in a much faster system with a 12900KS+DDR5.
 

I’ve been playing on this thing more than my 4090 rig. The 10900K does such a good job, and it’s not even overclocked, the ram isn’t even overclocked still running XMP DDR4 3200. 
 

Looking at Firestrike and Timespy graphics score performance, this stock B580 is on par or even faster than a RTX 4060Ti in some synthetic testing. I’m not really sure how this translates to actual gaming performance so far across all games and titles against a 4060Ti. I just know it’s WAY faster than this 3060 12GB Strix OC. I was expecting similar performance, and maybe slightly faster at times. I was not expecting it to be 50% faster than an overclocked 3060 Strix OC 12GB.

 

We used the iGPU for about a week. And I had it overclocked. It was capable of 1280x720 or 1920x1080 with very low graphics settings in just about any game out. So that’s how we ran the Trash Dog, until plugging in the ARC B580 which really lit up the system! Im running games at 4K on my living room with more than fast enough performance to play. I’m ordering a new case for this system, I actually had a Corsair 3000D that I was going to build this in, but it wasn’t fitting well with the AIO and this separate AIO pump, to the point where I’d have to remove a bit of material on the case or the AIO, so I’m returning this Corsair 3000D to Amazon, and I’m going to get something else.   If you look at the pictures, Trash Dog’s case is already been cut to fit a 360mm AIO, this is a trashy case already which I didn’t really mind doing.  😎

 

 

[Papusan]

 

Here you can clearly see what's wrong with Asus... They try all too hard to please their new audience with new trash. Damn sad to see where they are going with their own home brewed software malware and new products. 

 

Yup, Asus paired with Microsoft we see "Birds of a feather flock together". In the Norwegian language it will be «krake søker make».

Asus bombards Windows 11 with christmas.exe malware-like Christmas wreath banner

[electrosoft]

Merry Xmas everyone and Happy Holidays!

 

 

[Clamibot]

Merry Christmas everyone!

 

This is my most favorite holiday of the year! Bummer it only lasts one day, but we still have about a good 6 hours left (at least where I'm at)!

[ryan]

Merry Christmas!!

[Papusan]

 

My take on ME updates (Intel's spyware).... @Mr. Fox how many times have you seen you'we got an performance uplift with Intel ME ? And with Intel you know what you get with firmware aka "security" fixes. Especially near the end of the processors life cycle (EOL date). A flood come suddenly with "very needed" security fixes. And they don't offer a game changer (performance boost) for the SKUs in question. Quite the opposite.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

My take on ME updates (Intel's spyware).... @Mr. Foxhow many times have you seen you'we got an performance uplift with Intel ME ? And with Intel you know what you get with firmware aka "security" fixes. Especially near the end of the processors life cycle (EOL date). A flood with suddenly very needed security fixes.

I am not aware of any Intel ME updates ever doing anything to help performance, only harmful to performance. It exists today primarily for nefarious purposes, but is sure is funky how many idiots go out of their way looking for updates for it. That makes about as much sense as nuturing a virus and providing it with a culture designed to help it to flourish.

 

Being mindful of how well an existing product performs is important for all of the major players in the PC tech space. When you are bringing something new to market and having it be profitable is crucial, deliberately sabotaging the outgoing product under the pretense of making it more secure is one of the things they can pull from their bag of tricks. Jensen invented the idea of digital genocide and it has worked for the Green Goblin for many generations. I think Intel and AMD have been watching. We should never have a surprised look on our faces when big business of any kind behaves in a dishonest, underhanded and Luciferian manner. This is status quo for big government, big tech, big pharma, big media. As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

 

And the concept of a "standard overclock" is a cover-up and only seems acceptable if you ascribe to the idea that everyone should receive a trophy for participation. If you're paying attention, standard overclock is a fancy way of making "stock" sound like something special. For people that are not very smart, it seems pretty special. The vast majority of consumers (including most gamers) are "not very smart" people.

[Papusan]

56 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Being mindful of how well an existing product performs is important for all of the major players in the PC tech space. When you are bringing something new to market and having it be profitable is crucial, deliberately sabotaging the outgoing product under the pretense of making it more secure is one of the things they can pull from their bag of tricks. Jensen invented the idea of digital genocide and it has worked for the Green Goblin for many generations. I think Intel and AMD have been watching. We should never have a surprised look on our faces when big business of any kind behaves in a dishonest, underhanded and Luciferian manner. This is status quo for big government, big tech, big pharma, big media. As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

 

And the concept of a "standard overclock" is a cover-up and only seems acceptable if you ascribe to the idea that everyone should receive a trophy for participation. If you're paying attention, standard overclock is a fancy way of making "stock" sound like something special. For people that are not very smart, it seems pretty special. The vast majority of consumers (including most gamers) are "not very smart" people.

 

This isn't about AMD. It's all about Microsoft and partly it's partner Intel in a nutshell. Hardware close to EOL will never get any love. 

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This isn't about AMD. It's all about Microsoft and partly it's partner Intel in a nutshell. Hardware close to EOL will never get any love. 

Maybe this example isn't, but all of these big tech companies will do the wrong thing on purpose when the opportunity exists and doing so is to their advantage.

[Mr. Fox]

New MO-RA IV 600 radiator... Lots of nice design enhancements for self-contained external cooling systems that I love so much.

 

 

[electrosoft]

Pretty much confirmed single CCD X3D on the 9950X3D..... 😞

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d-cpu-z-specs-leak-max-5-65-ghz-clock-170w-tdp-and-single-3d-v-cache-ccd

 

On the bright side, it looks like both CCDs might be the better bins and clock up the same so there's some hope there: