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17 hours ago, tps3443 said:


I hope it’s a good launch with inventory available. The strix models will probably be $2,500 or $2,700 with tax no doubt lol. I think this is where the $3K predictions come from. 

 

 

Are you going to buy an FE model? I think I’d like a Strix OC model or something really good. I’ve learned my lesson with buying one just to get one due to availability and pricing. I really want to be one and done!! 

 

Ideally it’s going in my Lian Li V3000+ Plus, on air possibly on water and staying. 

 

fun fact: theres no Strix 5090 this time around, so ud have to go with the new Astral 😄 

 

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yep, they release them in waves especially on BB so you might as well settle in for at least 3-5 hrs.

 

 

I really had no problems with my x670e Carbon except the 60 second post. It did everything I asked of it and supported those A-die 2x32GB better than all three Asus boards I tried. I did have to RMA my original open box though when it completely died on me.

 

Are you going to switch boards to a different make or ride out the Carbon?

 

 

I just look at the 4090 market with a base price of $1600 and shift everything up by $400. If a card was $2000 (like a Strix), a similar card will be $2400 minimum. Suprim Liquid was $1730, so I'm expecting at least $2130 and wouldn't be surprised to see it at $2199.99.

 

The wild card is the new top dog Astral cards from Asus. I expect them to be $2599.99. Toss in sales tax and that is  ~2775.00. Even a $1999.99 card like the FE is going to be ~2132.49 after tax. For these outlandish prices, if I go 5090, I won't settle for a model I do not want and just pick up because that's all that is available. It will be an FE, Suprim or if I'm feeling incredibly stupid an Asus Astral.

 

yup, right on with the price estimates. here in europe the 5090 MSRP (including tax) will be 2329€. my max budget is 3300€, but im hoping to snag a Suprim SOC or Astral for max. 2700/2800€, then Id be content. 

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In typical ASUS style, the Astral name will likely be an accurate reflection of the price. Performance will be a secondary consideration as it has been with most Strix products.

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So far, this 9800X3D from NE looks to be a keeper. Passed 90min TM5 at XMP on these Crucial 6400 sticks at 2133/6400 no problem.

 

So much better than that last 9800X3D which couldn't do anything over 2000 fclk, couldn't post with the A-die at all, and error'd out on TM5 all the way down to 5400 and was only stable at 5200.

 

Of course the stock XMP timings on these crucial sticks are a dumpster fire....

 

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3 hours ago, tps3443 said:


Well, I’m just hoping we can find some sort of pre-waterblocked 5090 that is not much more than $2K. The problem is AIB’s are wanting to overcharge. If the premium 4080 Super is $999.00, then the crappiest and cheapest AIB’s are starting their price at $1,050.
 

The 5090 FE has gone fully moduler, the GPU boards can be quickly repaired from the looks of it. It almost looks like the GPU+GDDR7 are sitting on a standalone master board. And if someone broke the PCIe slot or crushes the whole thing it would be a really cheap fix. Unless I’m mistaken here. 
 

Other AIB’s may not have gone that route. So the FE does seem to be some interesting engineering. While AIB’s are still going to cost more than the 5090FE models.

 

 

 

For AIBs, you always have to remember that Nvidia's cost per GPU has a nice markup for profit when selling to AIBs then AIBs want a profit on top of that. Their profit margin per GPU is definitely going to be lower than Nvidia's. They just can't compete realistically in the $2k sphere and make a decent profit unlike Nvidia.

 

I really like the engineering and approach of the 5090 FE. Compact size and you're right. By moving the PCIe connector off the main PCB and making it a daughterboard/external connector, if it cracks/breaks, the fix is much cheaper not only in warranty but out. It is an engineering beauty.

 

What we need to see now is how the thermals are in this compact beauty. This feels like a response to AMD and their reference design that was always so compact and smaller than the rest of the AIBs and was the first choice for SFF builds which are gaining serious traction in the marketplace over the last few years.

 

This also gives you some insight into my headspace. Both the smallest (FE) and one of the largest (Astral) to what might be even larger (Suprim air) are on the table for consideration. 🤣

 

Or we might be looking back on this time and giggling as I'm rocking a 9070xt or 5070(ti)....heh.

 

47 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

fun fact: theres no Strix 5090 this time around, so ud have to go with the new Astral 😄 

 

 

yup, right on with the price estimates. here in europe the 5090 MSRP (including tax) will be 2329€. my max budget is 3300€, but im hoping to snag a Suprim SOC or Astral for max. 2700/2800€, then Id be content. 

 

Yeah looks like the Strix has been downgraded to 070 and below...the king is dead! Oh with your budget I'm sure you can snag any model to your liking. So Suprim or Astral are your go to models too?

 

The Suprim looks to be an absolute chonker in the videos!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

So far, this 9800X3D from NE looks to be a keeper. Passed 90min TM5 at XMP on these Crucial 6400 sticks at 2133/6400 no problem.

 

So much better than that last 9800X3D which couldn't do anything over 2000 fclk, couldn't post with the A-die at all, and error'd out on TM5 all the way down to 5400 and was only stable at 5200.

 

Of course the stock XMP timings on these crucial sticks are a dumpster fire....

 

SYXLQFM.png

 

 

For AIBs, you always have to remember that Nvidia's cost per GPU has a nice markup for profit when selling to AIBs then AIBs want a profit on top of that. Their profit margin per GPU is definitely going to be lower than Nvidia's. They just can't compete realistically in the $2k sphere and make a decent profit unlike Nvidia.

 

I really like the engineering and approach of the 5090 FE. Compact size and you're right. By moving the PCIe connector off the main PCB and making it a daughterboard/external connector, if it cracks/breaks, the fix is much cheaper not only in warranty but out. It is an engineering beauty.

 

What we need to see now is how the thermals are in this compact beauty. This feels like a response to AMD and their reference design that was always so compact and smaller than the rest of the AIBs and was the first choice for SFF builds which are gaining serious traction in the marketplace over the last few years.

 

This also gives you some insight into my headspace. Both the smallest (FE) and one of the largest (Astral) to what might be even larger (Suprim air) are on the table for consideration. 🤣

 

Or we might be looking back on this time and giggling as I'm rocking a 9070xt or 5070(ti)....heh.

 

 

Yeah looks like the Strix has been downgraded to 070 and below...the king is dead! Oh with your budget I'm sure you can snag any model to your liking. So Suprim or Astral are your go to models too?

 

The Suprim looks to be an absolute chonker in the videos!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



I have gotten some funds ready and have been deciding how much I might need. Looking at prior behavior it seems like the Asus and MSI AIB's will have a 20-25% mark-up over the Founder Edition models. 

So, if the RTX 5090 FE is $1,999. I can only assume the Asus RTX 5090 Astral will be $2,499 at least and possibly $2,549.99 for the Astral OC model. I feel like the MSI Suprim OC Liquid will be $2,599, and the MSI Suprim OC Air will be $2,399. So, with taxes I think I will be okay with $2,700 USD to grab pretty much any AIB available on Newegg. (I am assuming this is correct thinking) 

I would love to get an FE model, but with past luck that never happens for me lol. The cheapest ones always sell first. Then the most expensive ones go next. So, I feel like I will be forced to just buy an expensive AIB 5090 to get one at all. 

I really like the FE, but I am not dead set on one. I will have my BestBuy window up, and certainly if I can buy one, I will grab one. I am unfamiliar with the BestBuy process. I tried with the 4080 Super on launch day and had no luck. Newegg may be my go-to! I hope they do better with all of the bots buying up GPU's. 

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35 minutes ago, tps3443 said:



I have gotten some funds ready and have been deciding how much I might need. Looking at prior behavior it seems like the Asus and MSI AIB's will have a 20-25% mark-up over the Founder Edition models. 

So, if the RTX 5090 FE is $1,999. I can only assume the Asus RTX 5090 Astral will be $2,499 at least and possibly $2,549.99 for the Astral OC model. I feel like the MSI Suprim OC Liquid will be $2,599, and the MSI Suprim OC Air will be $2,399. So, with taxes I think I will be okay with $2,700 USD to grab pretty much any AIB available on Newegg. (I am assuming this is correct thinking) 

I would love to get an FE model, but with past luck that never happens for me lol. The cheapest ones always sell first. Then the most expensive ones go next. So, I feel like I will be forced to just buy an expensive AIB 5090 to get one at all. 

I really like the FE, but I am not dead set on one. I will have my BestBuy window up, and certainly if I can buy one, I will grab one. I am unfamiliar with the BestBuy process. I tried with the 4080 Super on launch day and had no luck. Newegg may be my go-to! I hope they do better with all of the bots buying up GPU's. 

Oh and yeah, I am a sick puppy. The fact that I think I need this at all. 🤣

 

 

I always have bad luck day one, but I've always been able to get what I want within a few months so I don't lose my mind or fret over it. In tech, as in life, I take a, "It will be what it is meant to be," and that makes life so much less stressful and fun.

 

For Asus, 4090 was 1600 launch and Strix was 2000 so $400 difference....on paper.  MSI 4090 Suprim was $1699 launch and liquid was $1729 launch so we will see how much parity stays in place or prices trend upward. Either way, prepare to sacrifice an organ.

 

Can't really go by Newegg because they price gouge on the regular depending on demand. But in their defense they also give the best combo discounts on items when they need to move a glut of other products in tandem with high demand items.

 

Best Buy is the proper gauge of proper MSRP pricing (along with the AIB websites).

 

Launch day, I could always go camp out Microcenter since I have three of them while also keeping BB and NE open on my phone but I'm just not that hardcore... 🤣

 

Order of attack:

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FE

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Astral

Suprim Liquid

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If the Suprim PCB is superior swap Astral and Liquid. If Astral is superior, swap Astral and Air.

 

 

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1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

So far, this 9800X3D from NE looks to be a keeper. Passed 90min TM5 at XMP on these Crucial 6400 sticks at 2133/6400 no problem.

 

So much better than that last 9800X3D which couldn't do anything over 2000 fclk, couldn't post with the A-die at all, and error'd out on TM5 all the way down to 5400 and was only stable at 5200.

 

Of course the stock XMP timings on these crucial sticks are a dumpster fire....

 

SYXLQFM.png

 

For AIBs, you always have to remember that Nvidia's cost per GPU has a nice markup for profit when selling to AIBs then AIBs want a profit on top of that. Their profit margin per GPU is definitely going to be lower than Nvidia's. They just can't compete realistically in the $2k sphere and make a decent profit unlike Nvidia.

 

I really like the engineering and approach of the 5090 FE. Compact size and you're right. By moving the PCIe connector off the main PCB and making it a daughterboard/external connector, if it cracks/breaks, the fix is much cheaper not only in warranty but out. It is an engineering beauty.

 

What we need to see now is how the thermals are in this compact beauty. This feels like a response to AMD and their reference design that was always so compact and smaller than the rest of the AIBs and was the first choice for SFF builds which are gaining serious traction in the marketplace over the last few years.

 

This also gives you some insight into my headspace. Both the smallest (FE) and one of the largest (Astral) to what might be even larger (Suprim air) are on the table for consideration. 🤣

 

Or we might be looking back on this time and giggling as I'm rocking a 9070xt or 5070(ti)....heh.

 

Yeah looks like the Strix has been downgraded to 070 and below...the king is dead! Oh with your budget I'm sure you can snag any model to your liking. So Suprim or Astral are your go to models too?

 

The Suprim looks to be an absolute chonker in the videos!

 

congratz on the better bin 9800X3D 🙂 

 

yeah the Suprim SOC seems to have the largest total volume out of all cards with known dimensions thus far. its about 10% larger in total volume than the 4090 Suprim and a tad (0.8%) chunkier than the Astral. absolutely humongous 😄 

wouldnt be too sure if my budget will be enough...after all thats happened i always expect the worst when it comes to new GPU launches, ugh....heres to hoping tho.

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I hope we see some models with factory water blocks installed. That would be really cool! I would snag one of those real quick. It's so easy to get a GPU with a block already mounted. Just unbox and go! No waiting on water blocks to come out, no installing the water block either. No that this is an issue, it's just that most water blocks are expensive when they first come out, and you have to wait a little while. 

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2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

So far, this 9800X3D from NE looks to be a keeper. Passed 90min TM5 at XMP on these Crucial 6400 sticks at 2133/6400 no problem.

 

So much better than that last 9800X3D which couldn't do anything over 2000 fclk, couldn't post with the A-die at all, and error'd out on TM5 all the way down to 5400 and was only stable at 5200.

 

Of course the stock XMP timings on these crucial sticks are a dumpster fire....

I cannot remember now who said it, maybe it was @chew or @domdtxdissar, but I think I can remember something about some of the ROG Crosshair boards not liking certain SKUs of the G.SKILL memory kits. The G.SKILL 8000 48GB memory kit that I tried  on the X870E Carbon didn't want to boot with BIOS defaults for some reason. The TG Xtreem 8200 48GB kit never had any trouble booting with defaults, XMP or custom timings.

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1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I always have bad luck day one, but I've always been able to get what I want within a few months so I don't lose my mind or fret over it. In tech, as in life, I take a, "It will be what it is meant to be," and that makes life so much less stressful and fun.

 

For Asus, 4090 was 1600 launch and Strix was 2000 so $400 difference....on paper.  MSI 4090 Suprim was $1699 launch and liquid was $1729 launch so we will see how much parity stays in place or prices trend upward. Either way, prepare to sacrifice an organ.

 

Can't really go by Newegg because they price gouge on the regular depending on demand. But in their defense they also give the best combo discounts on items when they need to move a glut of other products in tandem with high demand items.

 

Best Buy is the proper gauge of proper MSRP pricing (along with the AIB websites).

 

Launch day, I could always go camp out Microcenter since I have three of them while also keeping BB and NE open on my phone but I'm just not that hardcore... 🤣

 

Order of attack:

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FE

Suprim air

Astral

Suprim Liquid

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If the Suprim PCB is superior swap Astral and Liquid. If Astral is superior, swap Astral and Air.

 

Would you say upgrading from a 4080 Super to a 5080 or even 5090 would be worthwhile for WoW? In theory I could push core clocks up to 5.2ghz on the Xeon but I am not sure how far it could go beyond that so there may be a CPU bottleneck. The 4080 Super I currently have was $1029 and can be returned to Best Buy until Feb 1st.

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Would you say upgrading from a 4080 Super to a 5080 or even 5090 would be worthwhile for WoW? In theory I could push core clocks up to 5.2ghz on the Xeon but I am not sure how far it could go beyond that so there may be a CPU bottleneck. The 4080 Super I currently have was $1029 and can be returned to Best Buy until Feb 1st.

The RTX 4090 is PURE ridiculousness in power! Mine was about 40% faster than my overclocked 4080 Super Suprim-X. If the RTX5080 is as fast or faster than a 4090, then I highly recommend getting one especially for the new tech or grabbing a 4090 for a good deal and using that. I know for a fact you'll see a large boost coming from a 4080S to 4090. (Not sure what the 5080 will be like though) I just know the 4090 is a 4K BRUTE! 

As for CPU bottleneck, I run 4K/120HZ and I'm using a very old Xeon w3175X. So, using my current RTX4090 there is definitely room for GPU growth. Most games I play are always GPU limited unless it's an older title with DX11. 

 

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1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I hope we see some models with factory water blocks installed. That would be really cool! I would snag one of those real quick. It's so easy to get a GPU with a block already mounted. Just unbox and go! No waiting on water blocks to come out, no installing the water block either. No that this is an issue, it's just that most water blocks are expensive when they first come out, and you have to wait a little while. 

 

Something like the Asrock Aqua 7900xtx but for the 5090 would be sweet to see. Gigabyte made a Waterforce model for the 6900xt and 3090 that was a true CL block.

 

If a blocked card was to make it to market, it never happens at launch usually but down the road.

 

Inno3D will have a pre-blocked 5090:

 

https://www.inno3d.com/product/inno3d-geforce-rtx-5090-ichill-frostbite#product-images

 

5090_iCHILL_Frostbite_set.png

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I cannot remember now who said it, maybe it was @chew or @domdtxdissar, but I think I can remember something about some of the ROG Crosshair boards not liking certain SKUs of the G.SKILL memory kits. The G.SKILL 8000 48GB memory kit that I tried  on the X870E Carbon didn't want to boot with BIOS defaults for some reason. The TG Xtreem 8200 48GB kit never had any trouble booting with defaults, XMP or custom timings.

 

Hmmmm, because that 4m30s post time on the x870e Hero was atrocious (but at least they booted) even getting them to run then to turn around with the Crucial Pro ("Pro" giggle) 6400 sticks booted up in less than 20 seconds even at XMP.  I just laughed and went "Ok, message received" and switched to the Crucials for now but I plan on yanking the TG 8200 Xtreem sticks I have on the z790i lightning and giving them a whirl in the Hero.

 

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Would you say upgrading from a 4080 Super to a 5080 or even 5090 would be worthwhile for WoW? In theory I could push core clocks up to 5.2ghz on the Xeon but I am not sure how far it could go beyond that so there may be a CPU bottleneck. The 4080 Super I currently have was $1029 and can be returned to Best Buy until Feb 1st.

 

In all honesty, using the 4070 Super to tide me over has been an eye opening wake up call even at 4k (albeit settings 7 RT off and raid GPU settings enabled).

 

What I mean by this is in areas where player data is low, the GPU will sit at 100%. Even the 4090 sat at 100% in many of those areas but obviously the 4070 Super sits at 100% much more often, but as soon as you're in town in Dorngal or doing any type of raids and especially PvP, even my 4070 super will drop below 100% and it again becomes a CPU dependent issue. Of course with the 4090 the utilization drop was even more severe but seeing the 4070 Super drop down to 90% or even high 80% utilization lets me know there are areas in the game that the WoW engine just slaughters even a tuned 14900KS at 59/46/50 and those clocks stay locked everywhere.

 

On the other hand, you will achieve an uplift overall just from the GPU power upgrade so let's say those areas where I am running setting 7 no RT at 4k and seeing gpu utilization drop to the low 90s or upper 80s and getting like 83fps? With a 4090 I would still be at 100+fps in those same areas along with even lower GPU utilization.

 

So an upgrade will net you both worse utilization AND higher fps just from the brute power upgrade of the GPU itself. So I suspect slapping a 5090 in there will widen that chasm even more. You'll get better performance because the 5090 is the new monster but it will even moreso  leave your CPU in the dust in highly CPU dependent areas.

 

So enter the 9800X3D....

 

Once I finish somewhat tuning these Crucial sticks at 2133/6400 (the next tier sweet spot) on this 9800X3D, I plan on yanking my 4070 Super and running it comparing GPU utilization in Dorngal, Raids and general usage vs the 14900KS and seeing if I can close the gap on that utilization drop. I also want to check for the dreaded dip which was definitely present on my 7950X3D and 7800X3D on the x670e Carbon from time to time. I'm so used to fairly smooth raids now with the 14900KS it will stick out like a sore thumb.

 

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

congratz on the better bin 9800X3D 🙂 

 

yeah the Suprim SOC seems to have the largest total volume out of all cards with known dimensions thus far. its about 10% larger in total volume than the 4090 Suprim and a tad (0.8%) chunkier than the Astral. absolutely humongous 😄 

wouldnt be too sure if my budget will be enough...after all thats happened i always expect the worst when it comes to new GPU launches, ugh....heres to hoping tho.

 

Thanks! This one is infinitely better. It crapped out 40 min into TM5 at 2167 but that is at pure stock settings and running on iGPU. I know with my 7600x on iGPU it topped out at 2133 but once I went dedicated and disabled iGPU it could do up to 2200 with a little vsoc luvin' so we will see but as it stands now, absolutely content with 2133/6400 1:1. 2200/6600 1:1 realistically would require buying a golden binned chip somewhere.

 

I was reading up before hand the last few months on so many 9800X3D owners not being able to break 2100 and/or 6200 1:1 so I was fully ready for that along with some tuning required and failing so 2133/6400 out the box really on iGPU was a very pleasant surprise.

 

Definitely going to need a forklift to keep that Suprim level! And I'm here for it. 🙂

 

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

In all honesty, using the 4070 Super to tide me over has been an eye opening wake up call even at 4k (albeit settings 7 RT off and raid GPU settings enabled).

 

What I mean by this is in areas where player data is low, the GPU will sit at 100%. Even the 4090 sat at 100% in many of those areas but obviously the 4070 Super sits at 100% much more often, but as soon as you're in town in Dorngal or doing any type of raids and especially PvP, even my 4070 super will drop below 100% and it again becomes a CPU dependent issue. Of course with the 4090 the utilization drop was even more severe but seeing the 4070 Super drop down to 90% or even high 80% utilization lets me know there are areas in the game that the WoW engine just slaughters even a tuned 14900KS at 59/46/50 and those clocks stay locked everywhere.

 

On the other hand, you will achieve an uplift overall just from the GPU power upgrade so let's say those areas where I am running setting 7 no RT at 4k and seeing gpu utilization drop to the low 90s or upper 80s and getting like 83fps? With a 4090 I would still be at 100+fps in those same areas along with even lower GPU utilization.

 

So an upgrade will net you both worse utilization AND higher fps just from the brute power upgrade of the GPU itself. So I suspect slapping a 5090 in there will widen that chasm even more. You'll get better performance because the 5090 is the new monster but it will even moreso  leave your CPU in the dust in highly CPU dependent areas.

 

So enter the 9800X3D....

 

Once I finish somewhat tuning these Crucial sticks at 2133/6400 (the next tier sweet spot) on this 9800X3D, I plan on yanking my 4070 Super and running it comparing GPU utilization in Dorngal, Raids and general usage vs the 14900KS and seeing if I can close the gap on that utilization drop. I also want to check for the dreaded dip which was definitely present on my 7950X3D and 7800X3D on the x670e Carbon from time to time. I'm so used to fairly smooth raids now with the 14900KS it will stick out like a sore thumb.

 

I found the 4080 Super was generally doing ok even in some outdoor raids (those 20th anniv. world bosses). It did not fall below 50fps generally. That is with CPU at 4.8ghz, mesh at 3ghz, memory at 6400 CL32 and only using a QHD display.

 

I do not think I would want to go back to a non-HEDT chip. I did not like the 7800X3D and the 7945HX3D is equally unappealing. 14900K and even a 285K would be to close to laptop offerings so I would just use a laptop again in that case. I guess at least the desktop GPU's (5080 or 5090) should not really devalue that much so if I go through the trouble of getting one it would not be a big deal to just resell.

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I found the 4080 Super was generally doing ok even in some outdoor raids (those 20th anniv. world bosses). It did not fall below 50fps generally. That is with CPU at 4.8ghz, mesh at 3ghz, memory at 6400 CL32 and only using a QHD display.

 

I do not think I would want to go back to a non-HEDT chip. I did not like the 7800X3D and the 7945HX3D is equally unappealing. 14900K and even a 285K would be to close to laptop offerings so I would just use a laptop again in that case. I guess at least the desktop GPU's (5080 or 5090) should not really devalue that much so if I go through the trouble of getting one it would not be a big deal to just resell.

 

Agreed, even the 4070 Super is absolutely playable and acceptable within expectations. I know if I pick up a 5090, I can crank everything back up to Ultra 10 RT on and be good to go and even moreso with the 5090 and basically be ~100+ fps MIN everywhere including raids and some PvP but will sit at frame cap 144fps just about everywhere else with the 5090 twiddling its thumbs a lot of times because my 4090 spent a lot of time outdoors frame capped at 144fps yawning.

 

I found the outdoor raids in TWW hit harder than the outdoor raids in 20th anniv content due to location and older assets overall. What settings do you use for D2D gaming in WoW?

 

Can I ask what you found unappealing about the 7800X3D and 7945HX3D specifically in regards to not only games but elsewhere? I always value your insight.

 

5080 and especially 090 class cards do hold their value during the first 3-6 months inflated, relatively close mid  cycle and then back to MSRP value (or slightly higher) end cycle. This is what I have experienced during Ampere and Ada.

 

On your desktop, if you get a 5090, you will experience an uptick in performance just by the nature of the GPU itself and it will definitely be very tangible versus your 4080S considering the gap even between a 4080S and a 4090.

 

 

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4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

For AIBs, you always have to remember that Nvidia's cost per GPU has a nice markup for profit when selling to AIBs then AIBs want a profit on top of that. Their profit margin per GPU is definitely going to be lower than Nvidia's. They just can't compete realistically in the $2k sphere and make a decent profit unlike Nvidia.

 

The only advantage for the AIB partners is.... They sell their cards all over the world. Many places you can't get an FE card. Either empty in the store or you can't buy them. And with the silicon lottery... All over the place. The more expensive cards offer better bling bling, better power delivery and cooler but don't be sure you get a good binned chips. And then you have the vram lottery. Not so sure the better cards (the more expensive one) will get the better binned IC's. 

 

But prepare for scalpers. 2000$ cards is cheaper than expected. They want their bite of the cake.

 

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The only advantage for the AIB partners is.... They sell their cards all over the world. Many places you can't get an FE card. Either empty in the store or you can't buy them. And with the silicon lottery... All over the place. The more expensive cards offer better bling bling, better power delivery and cooler but don't be sure you get a good binned chips. And then you have the vram lottery. Not so sure the better cards (the more expensive one) will get the better binned IC's. 

 

But prepare for scalpers. 2000$ cards is cheaper than expected. They want their bite of the cake.

 

100% true @Papusan 😞

 

Still wish a company like Silicon Lottery would step up and do it with GPUs and sell them at tiers based on silicon and/or memory quality.

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38 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

100% true @Papusan 😞

 

Still wish a company like Silicon Lottery would step up and do it with GPUs and sell them at tiers based on silicon and/or memory quality.

 

Only a true good company would do that. None cater to performance enthusiasts. And they'll all get rid of the cards anyway without too much work. And regardless of price. Mining, scalpers, monetary inflation and AI have destroyed the GPU market  https://web.archive.org/web/20220521031800/https://www.evga.com/articles/archive/00944/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-980-Ti-KINGPIN/default.asp

 

 

AMD didn't know what to do. Maybe fight fire with fire?😁

 

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The RTX 5090 better be good for the $2,000 dollars it will cost. Would be cool if they slow down GPU launches to 36+ months now that they literally have no competition from anyone. They could sit on a flagship for years 🤣 Just like the 4090, the only thing that beats it is a 5090. 

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The RTX 5090 better be good for the $2,000 dollars it will cost. Would be cool if they slow down GPU launches to 36+ months now that they literally have no competition from anyone. They could sit on a flagship for years 🤣 Just like the 4090, the only thing that beats it is a 5090. 

 

Nvidia will never rest again after the 6000 series fright.

 

This cycle is shaping up exactly like before when AMD gave up during Turning and introduced a mid tier product based on their new RDNA technology in the 5700xt and it was GOOD for what it was but it was just a precursor for what was to come which was the 6000 line up and outside of RT basically, it was neck and neck with Nvidia all the way up to 4k even.

 

This is *exactly* what you want. The same way AMD pushed Intel to keep being better instead of extending releases and stretching tired, old nodes. Nvidia knows AMD is constantly pushing themselves and todays darling can turn on a dime.

 

9000 series is going to be a good mid tier card, but this is setting the stage for their next gen and no way Nvidia is going to let AMD trump them or even get that close ever again.

 

Even the 7000 series and market forces course corrected Nvidia this generation with the 9000 series incoming. Why else would Nvidia give MORE performance and LOWER prices on their mid tier cards?

 

Biggest fear for buyers is Nvidia dropping a 5090ti but with rumors of a proper titan class card in the wind this time legitimately, AI-mania and AMD toast past the 5070ti, there is almost zero chance of that happening.

 

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Nvidia will never rest again after the 6000 series fright.

 

This cycle is shaping up exactly like before when AMD gave up during Turning and introduced a mid tier product based on their new RDNA technology in the 5700xt and it was GOOD for what it was but it was just a precursor for what was to come which was the 6000 line up and outside of RT basically, it was neck and neck with Nvidia all the way up to 4k even.

 

This is *exactly* what you want. The same way AMD pushed Intel to keep being better instead of extending releases and stretching tired, old nodes. Nvidia knows AMD is constantly pushing themselves and todays darling can turn on a dime.

 

9000 series is going to be a good mid tier card, but this is setting the stage for their next gen and no way Nvidia is going to let AMD trump them or even get that close ever again.

 

Even the 7000 series and market forces course corrected Nvidia this generation with the 9000 series incoming. Why else would Nvidia give MORE performance and LOWER prices on their mid tier cards?

 

Biggest fear for buyers is Nvidia dropping a 5090ti but with rumors of a proper titan class card in the wind this time legitimately, AI-mania and AMD toast past the 5070ti, there is almost zero chance of that happening.

 

 

 

 


 

Yeah I think a new RTX Titan is coming for sure, and I bet it’ll be at least 48GB GDDR7!!
 

I have no use for one of those my self though (thinking about it now, I’ll be content with a 5090 if a Ti/Titan launches) I know it’ll probably be $3,499 maybe even $3,999 🫠. But hey many people will snag one! Nvidia’s feature set and drivers are really too good (as always) I’m amazed the 5090 is 512Bit bus. We haven’t seen this in a LONGGGG time. Thats gonna be some really GOOD bandwidth for 4K gaming with all the settings turn up.
 

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Agreed, even the 4070 Super is absolutely playable and acceptable within expectations. I know if I pick up a 5090, I can crank everything back up to Ultra 10 RT on and be good to go and even moreso with the 5090 and basically be ~100+ fps MIN everywhere including raids and some PvP but will sit at frame cap 144fps just about everywhere else with the 5090 twiddling its thumbs a lot of times because my 4090 spent a lot of time outdoors frame capped at 144fps yawning.

 

I found the outdoor raids in TWW hit harder than the outdoor raids in 20th anniv content due to location and older assets overall. What settings do you use for D2D gaming in WoW?

 

Can I ask what you found unappealing about the 7800X3D and 7945HX3D specifically in regards to not only games but elsewhere? I always value your insight.

 

5080 and especially 090 class cards do hold their value during the first 3-6 months inflated, relatively close mid  cycle and then back to MSRP value (or slightly higher) end cycle. This is what I have experienced during Ampere and Ada.

 

On your desktop, if you get a 5090, you will experience an uptick in performance just by the nature of the GPU itself and it will definitely be very tangible versus your 4080S considering the gap even between a 4080S and a 4090.

 

 

 

I usually have settings at 10 ultra with RT. I have not tried TWW outdoor raids. Will need to do that. 5080 seems like it should do better than a 4080 Super I think.

 

The 7800X3D + 7900GRE was just not a performance boost much beyond what laptops can do. The MSI x670e tomahawk also kept dropping my m.2 drive.

 

The 7945HX3D is better but it's capped to 100W courtesy of AMD. There are a few other bad bugs like the audio system dropping out until a reboot. It is one MSI system where silent mode actually works and quite well. 55W on the CPU and 100W on the GPU is enough for a good experience given the quiet fan noise. The new steel series controller is also horrible because it has a rainbow RGB boot effect and cannot remember an override.

 

A have read a lot of posts on Reddit and whatnot about people excited for 9955HX3D but it's going to be a poor product if its buggy like this and artificially capped. AMD apparently has to play a bigger role with bios development on these machines so you may as well not consider it being a typical good unlocked MSI laptop bios.

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I usually have settings at 10 ultra with RT. I have not tried TWW outdoor raids. Will need to do that. 5080 seems like it should do better than a 4080 Super I think.

 

The 7800X3D + 7900GRE was just not a performance boost much beyond what laptops can do. The MSI x670e tomahawk also kept dropping my m.2 drive.

 

The 7945HX3D is better but it's capped to 100W courtesy of AMD. There are a few other bad bugs like the audio system dropping out until a reboot. It is one MSI system where silent mode actually works and quite well. 55W on the CPU and 100W on the GPU is enough for a good experience given the quiet fan noise. The new steel series controller is also horrible because it has a rainbow RGB boot effect and cannot remember an override.

 

A have read a lot of posts on Reddit and whatnot about people excited for 9955HX3D but it's going to be a poor product if its buggy like this and artificially capped. AMD apparently has to play a bigger role with bios development on these machines so you may as well not consider it being a typical good unlocked MSI laptop bios.

 

Same on settings at 4k

 

5080 will definitely be better than the 4080 Super if even only by 10-15% and it will have access to DLSS4 and other things Nvidia reserves for their current line up.

 

Problem was potentially the 7900GRE. When testing a 7900XTX multiple times, running 4k Ultra 10 w/ RT on basically turned the 7900XTX into a 3080 performance wise. I had to keep RT off to get any decent performance uplift and that was with a 7900XTX. I can imagine the 7900GRE was probably performing much worse.

 

Here was my original assessment of the 7900xtx for WoW when I reviewed the XFX 7900XTX a few years ago:

 

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I had bandied about the idea of maybe getting a 7950HX3D laptop, but the X3D chunk on the desktop drove me away. I'll be curious to see if the 9950HX3D is any better but I am sure I'll get my own data sets in a few days when I start testing the 4070 Super on the 9800X3D here.

 

Last trip I took, I used the NH55 w/ settings dialed down to 7 and it was silky smooth so that was good enough for me in the moment. I still wouldn't say no to a proper 18" behemoth though.

 

 

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The 7945HX3D is better but it's capped to 100W courtesy of AMD. There are a few other bad bugs like the audio system dropping out until a reboot.  The new steel series controller is also horrible because it has a rainbow RGB boot effect and cannot remember an override.

 

A have read a lot of posts on Reddit and whatnot about people excited for 9955HX3D but it's going to be a poor product if its buggy like this and artificially capped. AMD apparently has to play a bigger role with bios development on these machines so you may as well not consider it being a typical good unlocked MSI laptop bios.

 

What with this world fastest China-box? Maybe a laptop for bro @Mr. Fox😁

 

World’s fastest gaming laptops Jokebook with AMD Ryzen 9 9955HX3D and GeForce RTX 5090 announced, up to 280W power

 

They said you will get 125W for the CPU. Fantastic, isn't it?

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You never know when you will be next on the melting list. But some  of the AIB partners have done the same what Galax did 2 years ago for the HOF. Asus followed up with the Matrix later. A chip to stop the melting. This should be the minimum with the stupid tiny power connector for <nvidia graphics. This should be a  minimum for a card that cost +1000$

 

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Btw. I hope Trump  have the balls to  stop Nvidia....

 

Nvidia and SIA fire back at US gov's new export restrictions on AI GPUs to China

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/nvidia-and-sia-fire-back-at-u-s-govs-new-export-restrictions-on-ai-gpus-to-china

Forum is behaving as expected on my own :(

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