*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

 

Nice. Maybe it's time to close all doors and throw the keys down the toilet? Or just change the brand name...

 

 

 

EVGA closes its popular tech forums, Team EVGA moves to Reddit

 

 

 

On 1/25/2025 at 6:48 PM, Papusan said:

All tech companies try please China. Last one one out is Intel. 

 

And here is some goofy news from Asus... And of course. China will always come first. Yup, their influence on tech and buying power is quite remarkable. 

 

3 or 4 days before Asus said nonthing was wrong. Then why push out a new revised PCIe Q-Release Slim solution ?

 

ASUS China confirms improved PCIe Q-Release Slim solution, offers compensation for damaged GPUs

[tps3443]

They should have just called it the RTX 5090 Limited Edition. That way, everyone would just be like damn yeah it’s super limited lol. 

[tps3443]

It’s easy to snatch a 5080 on Newegg. Bots don’t want those lol. let’s you add to cart and everything. 
 

[jaybee83]

33 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

It’s easy to snatch a 5080 on Newegg. Bots don’t want those lol. let’s you add to cart and everything. 
 

 

yeah who cares about those 😄 

 

ive since expanded my search to shops in spain and france, still keeping tabs 😄 interestingly, prices there seem to still be "ok", lets see for how long!

[Mr. Fox]

15 hours ago, tps3443 said:

They should have just called it the RTX 5090 Limited Edition. That way, everyone would just be like damn yeah it’s super limited lol. 

Or the "Origami Edition" since it seems like a paper launch.

  

14 hours ago, tps3443 said:

It’s easy to snatch a 5080 on Newegg. Bots don’t want those lol. let’s you add to cart and everything. 
 

I do not see any 50-series GPUs in stock on NewEgg. They must have sold all 4 of them already.

 

Looks like you can still buy a 4090 for twice the normal price, or a 4080 for the price of a correctly valued 4090. Good times for the dishonest sellers that find stupid buyers. 🤣

  

On 2/2/2025 at 2:20 PM, jaybee83 said:

aint that lovely? success rate of 2.5% with a total of a whopping 111x 5090s 😄 curious how many of those were aided by bots...

Probably moreso dishonest distributors and retailers sharing hidden links and secret sales to select individual to buy up stock a few hours or minutes prior to launch. And, those are 111 reported sales. There could well be more sales on the down-low that have been conveniently omitted because they were shady deals to support scalpers.

[electrosoft]

There was an Astral 5090 combo on Newegg a few hours ago.

 

It was ~$6200 and included the Astral, Asus PG32UDM, Asus Z890 Hero OR Asus x870E Hero, 1200 watt PSU, Asus Keyboard, Asus Mouse and their $600 Router. It was a legit bundle from Newegg.

 

They lasted about 5 minutes actually but someone bought them!

 

All 5080 Bundles are gone now too.

 

 

 

 

[johnksss]

No where remotely close to Sugi, but at least I did break 47K

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

There was an Astral 5090 combo on Newegg a few hours ago.

 

It was ~$6200 and included the Astral, Asus PG32UDM, Asus Z890 Hero OR Asus x870E Hero, 1200 watt PSU, Asus Keyboard, Asus Mouse and their $600 Router. It was a legit bundle from Newegg.

 

They lasted about 5 minutes actually but someone bought them!

 

All 5080 Bundles are gone now too.

 

 

 

 

Over $6,000! Ouch too rich for me! 🤕 

 

I’d consider this combo though 😃 comes with a nice OLED monitor too! 
 

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[electrosoft]

56 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Over $6,000! Ouch too rich for me! 🤕 

 

I’d consider this combo though 😃 comes with a nice OLED monitor too! 
 

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I mean, I guess that isn't terrible comparatively....

 

Better than the Asus combo which I can't say I'm shocked sold out within 5 min even at 6200 (~$6610 after tax)....sheesh.

 

[tps3443]

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Or the "Origami Edition" since it seems like a paper launch.

  

I do not see any 50-series GPUs in stock on NewEgg. They must have sold all 4 of them already.

 

Looks like you can still buy a 4090 for twice the normal price, or a 4080 for the price of a correctly valued 4090. Good times for the dishonest sellers that find stupid buyers. 🤣

  

Probably moreso dishonest distributors and retailers sharing hidden links and secret sales to select individual to buy up stock a few hours or minutes prior to launch. And, those are 111 reported sales. There could well be more sales on the down-low that have been conveniently omitted because they were shady deals to support scalpers.

With the prices today it makes overpriced gaming laptops look appealing. 
 

This one looks nice. 
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176822823409?_skw=msi+titan+18+hx&itmmeta=01JKF9MMP55CTQ83GY83B2H7TK&hash=item292b7629f1:g:9zIAAOSw5ABnR9yc&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKk1ZAuWDIokhf89LFusRENAsWuCdq2OuDs9cXwuhkVZDXKkAjHaLVYIJf%2BXZHjz9Oljr%2Bq%2FxRtaea%2FHujhKu3FPDsUFas0XrVHzLKPpImS74BeqMJ46wBYOvdzyQjm%2F5peykJPTAGMRsbhzAnqFKPeHpEdlyaZTc6RfX2cxCGgAr5p9bY7BYqrVMaayzWn%2FT5ErOHl3aALqmJP%2BAniAoj%2FRfF1ygi%2F3vPbf3cCpAR0iNjsCFNRxhsFQLGurdv4wgTX6G0IvJ0i%2BbdvrVVxIh8VoEqyPaJNEOrG8qLx2i2ztQQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4bM0umbZQ

[Mr. Fox]

32 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

With the prices today it makes overpriced gaming laptops look appealing. 
 

This one looks nice. 
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176822823409?_skw=msi+titan+18+hx&itmmeta=01JKF9MMP55CTQ83GY83B2H7TK&hash=item292b7629f1:g:9zIAAOSw5ABnR9yc&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKk1ZAuWDIokhf89LFusRENAsWuCdq2OuDs9cXwuhkVZDXKkAjHaLVYIJf%2BXZHjz9Oljr%2Bq%2FxRtaea%2FHujhKu3FPDsUFas0XrVHzLKPpImS74BeqMJ46wBYOvdzyQjm%2F5peykJPTAGMRsbhzAnqFKPeHpEdlyaZTc6RfX2cxCGgAr5p9bY7BYqrVMaayzWn%2FT5ErOHl3aALqmJP%2BAniAoj%2FRfF1ygi%2F3vPbf3cCpAR0iNjsCFNRxhsFQLGurdv4wgTX6G0IvJ0i%2BbdvrVVxIh8VoEqyPaJNEOrG8qLx2i2ztQQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4bM0umbZQ

I think there is nothing that would ever make any laptop appealing to me ever again. They are all universally disgusting to me. Even if they all went back to MXM, thick and heavy all-metal chassis, 18-20 inch screens and desktop CPUs and 1000W PSUs they require too many compromises that I am unwilling to accept. That's a chapter of life where I have closed the book, wrapped it up in duct tape, thrown into the incinerator and flushed the ashes down the toilet.

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

With the prices today it makes overpriced gaming laptops look appealing. 
 

This one looks nice. 
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176822823409?_skw=msi+titan+18+hx&itmmeta=01JKF9MMP55CTQ83GY83B2H7TK&hash=item292b7629f1:g:9zIAAOSw5ABnR9yc&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKk1ZAuWDIokhf89LFusRENAsWuCdq2OuDs9cXwuhkVZDXKkAjHaLVYIJf%2BXZHjz9Oljr%2Bq%2FxRtaea%2FHujhKu3FPDsUFas0XrVHzLKPpImS74BeqMJ46wBYOvdzyQjm%2F5peykJPTAGMRsbhzAnqFKPeHpEdlyaZTc6RfX2cxCGgAr5p9bY7BYqrVMaayzWn%2FT5ErOHl3aALqmJP%2BAniAoj%2FRfF1ygi%2F3vPbf3cCpAR0iNjsCFNRxhsFQLGurdv4wgTX6G0IvJ0i%2BbdvrVVxIh8VoEqyPaJNEOrG8qLx2i2ztQQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4bM0umbZQ

 

The 128GB of RAM in that laptop will only be stable at 3600MT. Even if you remove it and replace with 2x16GB Hynix A die it will likely only be stable at 5600MT to 6000MT.

 

The CPU can be fully unlocked for tuning but DTT is still required in order for the GPU VBIOS to allow boosting fully so running beyond 95W + 175W is not possible from what I understand.

 

There is a new revision of the Tongfang 16 inch that should soon be released by Eluktronics for around the same price. It will have a proprietary modular GPU board so its a step above the all-soldered options from this generation. It will also have a Prema BIOS so its probably going to be one of the few that could be tuned closer to what one might do with a desktop 285K + 5080 setup. Those also allow more control over the hidden dynamic boost configuration parameters so it can be tuned much more easily than a MSI without resorting to obtaining a custom EC and VBIOS.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

With the prices today it makes overpriced gaming laptops look appealing. 
 

This one looks nice. 
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176822823409?_skw=msi+titan+18+hx&itmmeta=01JKF9MMP55CTQ83GY83B2H7TK&hash=item292b7629f1:g:9zIAAOSw5ABnR9yc&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKk1ZAuWDIokhf89LFusRENAsWuCdq2OuDs9cXwuhkVZDXKkAjHaLVYIJf%2BXZHjz9Oljr%2Bq%2FxRtaea%2FHujhKu3FPDsUFas0XrVHzLKPpImS74BeqMJ46wBYOvdzyQjm%2F5peykJPTAGMRsbhzAnqFKPeHpEdlyaZTc6RfX2cxCGgAr5p9bY7BYqrVMaayzWn%2FT5ErOHl3aALqmJP%2BAniAoj%2FRfF1ygi%2F3vPbf3cCpAR0iNjsCFNRxhsFQLGurdv4wgTX6G0IvJ0i%2BbdvrVVxIh8VoEqyPaJNEOrG8qLx2i2ztQQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4bM0umbZQ

 

Especially if you're not wanting the Ultra series in your gaming laptops that is as good as it gets for 14th gen laptops. Every bell and whistle you can think of and then some.

 

Plus we know 5090 mobile is going to barely be better than 4090 mobile just like 2080 Super mobile to 3080ti mobile was a nothing burger. Actually, 3050 mobile all the way through 3070ti mobile to their 4000 series variants was a let down too.

 

The only major uplift was 4080 and 4090 mobile.

 

Plus, outside of custom variants, MSI has the best mainstream mobile BIOS on the market hands down.

 

For me, it's all about 18" displays. I want the biggest displays possible on my laptops when able.

 

 

[electrosoft]

11 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

The 128GB of RAM in that laptop will only be stable at 3600MT. Even if you remove it and replace with 2x16GB Hynix A die it will likely only be stable at 5600MT to 6000MT.

 

The CPU can be fully unlocked for tuning but DTT is still required in order for the GPU VBIOS to allow boosting fully so running beyond 95W + 175W is not possible from what I understand.

 

There is a new revision of the Tongfang 16 inch that should soon be released by Eluktronics for around the same price. It will have a proprietary modular GPU board so its a step above the all-soldered options from this generation. It will also have a Prema BIOS so its probably going to be one of the few that could be tuned closer to what one might do with a desktop 285K + 5080 setup. Those also allow more control over the hidden dynamic boost configuration parameters so it can be tuned much more easily than a MSI without resorting to obtaining a custom EC and VBIOS.

 

Are they doing an 18" version? 16 inch makes it DOA for myself. I love that NH55 (especially now with the BIOS unlocking), but the screen size is the only negative on it.

 

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This is my favorite spot to benchmark WoW in the new Xpac since it will max out the GPU even a 4090 overclocked.

 

I've used it across numerous systems in Hallowfall. It will max out even a 4090 and I can't hit my own personal frame cap there.

 

Comparing my overclocked 4090 (GPU only, not memory) at 3135mhz  fans at max vs my stock 5080 out of the box, it is 135fps (4090) vs 122fps (5080) on absolutely identical system specs so the 4090 overclocked to 3135mhz has ~10% lead over the 5080 stock.

 

4k 100% render scale, Ultra 10 RT enabled. Everything set to max.

 

4090:

 

 

5080:

 

 

[win32asmguy]

4 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Are they doing an 18" version? 16 inch makes it DOA for myself. I love that NH55 (especially now with the BIOS unlocking), but the screen size is the only negative on it.

 

No 18 inch version announced.

 

However Prema confirmed to me that it has a TB4 port wired to the iGPU. That makes it much better in a docked situation as it can be run with no apps on the dGPU, then simply be unplugged and taken for a meeting without needing to reboot or otherwise try to take steps to get the Nvidia GPU to sleep which can be complicated if it booted while set as the primary display.

 

With that model I would have to swap the QHD+ panel to a FHD+ 165hz as well so it would be usable at 100% scaling.

[tps3443]

37 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

The 128GB of RAM in that laptop will only be stable at 3600MT. Even if you remove it and replace with 2x16GB Hynix A die it will likely only be stable at 5600MT to 6000MT.

 

The CPU can be fully unlocked for tuning but DTT is still required in order for the GPU VBIOS to allow boosting fully so running beyond 95W + 175W is not possible from what I understand.

 

There is a new revision of the Tongfang 16 inch that should soon be released by Eluktronics for around the same price. It will have a proprietary modular GPU board so its a step above the all-soldered options from this generation. It will also have a Prema BIOS so its probably going to be one of the few that could be tuned closer to what one might do with a desktop 285K + 5080 setup. Those also allow more control over the hidden dynamic boost configuration parameters so it can be tuned much more easily than a MSI without resorting to obtaining a custom EC and VBIOS.

Thanks! I’m going to look in to that machine. Something about the MSI Titan GT77 and Titan 18 HX really just does it for me though, especially the new up coming MSI Titan 18 with that dragon paint on it, man call me cheesy, but that machine is gorgeous to me for some reason. I really like MSI products. lol. Tuning aside, the big Titan laptops just look purely awesome. I’d feel better paying like 3K for it though seeing how it’s a last gen 4090 machine lol. At this rate of how long it takes to get a desktop 5090 GPU, I’ll be able to just pay scalper prices for one with the money I keep saving😂 (Kidding I’d never do that)

 

36 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Are they doing an 18" version? 16 inch makes it DOA for myself. I love that NH55 (especially now with the BIOS unlocking), but the screen size is the only negative on it.

 

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This is my favorite spot to benchmark WoW in the new Xpac since it will max out the GPU even a 4090 overclocked.

 

I've used it across numerous systems in Hallowfall. It will max out even a 4090 and I can't hit my own personal frame cap there.

 

Comparing my overclocked 4090 (GPU only, not memory) at 3135mhz  fans at max vs my stock 5080 out of the box, it is 135fps (4090) vs 122fps (5080) on absolutely identical system specs so the 4090 overclocked to 3135mhz has ~10% lead over the 5080 stock.

 

4k 100% render scale, Ultra 10 RT enabled. Everything set to max.

 

4090:

 

 

5080:

 

 

I have been looking at laptops lately, I like the Scar 18 as well, but those prices are just wild. Asus has bumped their 5090 machines to 4K and 4200+ prices I think 😬 

 

I almost feel like if I’m spending this much on a GPU only, I could splurge a little and just go for a whole 5090 laptop. Not nearly as fast as a 5090 desktop, but I already have a 4090 after all. So I’m considering a high end laptop to play with. 

[win32asmguy]

25 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Thanks! I’m going to look in to that machine. Something about the MSI Titan GT77 and Titan 18 HX really just does it for me though, especially the new up coming MSI Titan 18 with that dragon paint on it, man call me cheesy, but that machine is gorgeous to me for some reason. I really like MSI products. lol. Tuning aside, the big Titan laptops just look purely awesome. I’d feel better paying like 3K for it though seeing how it’s a last gen 4090 machine lol. At this rate of how long it takes to get a desktop 5090 GPU, I’ll be able to just pay scalper prices for one with the money I keep saving😂 (Kidding I’d never do that)

 

The new Titan will be better in that regard as its only going to have two SODIMM slots so it can keep up with the Tongfang model hopefully. They still are not a great value though. Nobody would be paying 4k-6k for a 285K + 5080 system.

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

This one looks nice. 
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176822823409?_skw=msi+titan+18+hx&itmmeta=01JKF9MMP55CTQ83GY83B2H7TK&hash=item292b7629f1:g:9zIAAOSw5ABnR9yc&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKk1ZAuWDIokhf89LFusRENAsWuCdq2OuDs9cXwuhkVZDXKkAjHaLVYIJf%2BXZHjz9Oljr%2Bq%2FxRtaea%2FHujhKu3FPDsUFas0XrVHzLKPpImS74BeqMJ46wBYOvdzyQjm%2F5peykJPTAGMRsbhzAnqFKPeHpEdlyaZTc6RfX2cxCGgAr5p9bY7BYqrVMaayzWn%2FT5ErOHl3aALqmJP%2BAniAoj%2FRfF1ygi%2F3vPbf3cCpAR0iNjsCFNRxhsFQLGurdv4wgTX6G0IvJ0i%2BbdvrVVxIh8VoEqyPaJNEOrG8qLx2i2ztQQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4bM0umbZQ

 

Disgusting.

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think there is nothing that would ever make any laptop appealing to me ever again. They are all universally disgusting to me. Even if they all went back to MXM, thick and heavy all-metal chassis, 18-20 inch screens and desktop CPUs and 1000W PSUs they require too many compromises that I am unwilling to accept. That's a chapter of life where I have closed the book, wrapped it up in duct tape, thrown into the incinerator and flushed the ashes down the toilet.

 

18 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Disgusting.

 

 

@Mr. Fox and @Papusan sitting on their porch, shaking their canes in anger and telling modern laptops to GET OFF THEIR LAWN!! 🤣

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Disgusting.

 

I'm sure the owners of Intel LGA 1851 platform will appreciate a refresh from Intel with more tops (improved NPU) and maybe a 100MHz clock speed bump up. A small refresh is better than nothing before Intel swap over  to a new platform? So enjoy improved TOPS. Now you can finally say your desktop is an real Microsoft Copilot+ PC. 

 

Recall (preview) starting early 2025. A lot to look forward to going with the Intel refresh for Arrow lake. This "TOPS" everything you could expect or hope for.

Intel Reportedly Considering Resurrection of "Arrow Lake Refresh" Processor Family

 

Today, 17:52

Intel is reported to be eyeing arevival of its "Arrow Lake Refresh" desktop processor design—Golden Pig Upgrade disclosed this "strange" revelation via an updated Weibo blog post. Back in 2023, the Chinese hardware reviewer and leaker extraordinaire theorized that Team Blue's much-rumored shelving of "ARL-S/HX Refresh" came down to cost/benefit considerations relating to accommodating an upgraded NPU in the chip's tile-based design.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Disgusting.

I knew you’d like that lol. Seriously, I do actually like it. It’s just really expensive. If I had a laptop with a 4090 or 5090 in it I’d use it absolutely. I’d just rather pay much less. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Disgusting.

Power-crippled and thermally-limited, throttling box o' poop.

[johnksss]

Soooooooo, I noticed that my GPU was not running in X16 mode and decided to investigate. Low and behold, it's stuck there! There is nothing attached and no drives installed. I booted factory bios 0513 and updated bios 1401. I inserted and removed m.2 drives in the m.2_3/m.2_4 slots to make sure it wasn't miss reading these as active. Did the same for slots m.2_1/m.2_2 to make sure it was actually reading them the same. Removed the CPU fully and reinstalled it. Check bios setting to make sure it was set for X16 GPU and Gen 5 then Gen 4. Removed and reinserted GPU 3 times in first PCIe slot🤦‍♂️   

 

And this thing will not not change.

 

Posting this here and on OC net

[Mr. Fox]

27 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Soooooooo, I noticed that my GPU was not running in X16 mode and decided to investigate. Low and behold, it's stuck there! There is nothing attached and no drives installed. I booted factory bios 0513 and updated bios 1401. I inserted and removed m.2 drives in the m.2_3/m.2_4 slots to make sure it wasn't miss reading these as active. Did the same for slots m.2_1/m.2_2 to make sure it was actually reading them the same. Removed the CPU fully and reinstalled it. Check bios setting to make sure it was set for X16 GPU and Gen 5 then Gen 4. Removed and reinserted GPU 3 times in first PCIe slot🤦‍♂️   

 

And this thing will not not change.

 

Posting this here and on OC net

It is the Z890 Apex and the Core Ultra system? 4090?

 

Are you using the latest GeFarts drivers? I've heard not-so-great things about the new driver with 50-series support.

 

What if you disable the WiFi/BT module in the BIOS? Any change? Lots of X870E owners are having really goofy problems with the latest Windows Updates and drivers, especially with WiFi/BT modules causing undesirable things. I always disable WiFi/BT in the BIOS and have not experienced any of that silly stuff myself.

[Papusan]

22 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Soooooooo, I noticed that my GPU was not running in X16 mode and decided to investigate. Low and behold, it's stuck there! There is nothing attached and no drives installed. I booted factory bios 0513 and updated bios 1401. I inserted and removed m.2 drives in the m.2_3/m.2_4 slots to make sure it wasn't miss reading these as active. Did the same for slots m.2_1/m.2_2 to make sure it was actually reading them the same. Removed the CPU fully and reinstalled it. Check bios setting to make sure it was set for X16 GPU and Gen 5 then Gen 4. Removed and reinserted GPU 3 times in first PCIe slot🤦‍♂️   

 

And this thing will not not change.

 

Posting this here and on OC net

 

Tested with anoother GPU? And is this your new Intel 1851 platform?