*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Use point 11:01 and 11:43 time stamp in the video. He either removed the 4 shuts(?) or added on top of them. I think it's on top. And the one on back bottom right corner is changed.

 

My chip seems to tap out at 5.750 Ghz unless i start going negative temps I suspect.

Yes, you are correct.

42 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yeah, MSI makes an 18" variant and Asus makes a 17.3" version.

 

The one I'm picking up is the MSI variant.

 

 

He uses liquid metal for the shunt but he doesn't want to show exactly what he did so others won't try it and damage their cards or some such nonsense.....

 

I know I used an X-acto knife to etch for liquid metal for well over ten years now. I know I saw others who did it too and / or used electrical tape once and after that, the staining from that initial application of LM left a guideline so you didn't need to use tape or etching ever again and always have a guide.

 

I actually used to clean everything up, reapply the thickest (prevent pump out or bleeding) thermal paste exactly as possible and remount to get as clean as possible an image of the working area before etching or masking.

 

 

He actually soldered shunt resistors on top, which is how I have always done it. @johnksssspotted the changes in the video. I was hoping he would actually demonstrate it, but he probably did not because he is greedy and expects people to pay him for everything.  He doesn't share most things for the good of the community like most of us do. He wants that $500 "consultation" fee way too much. He probably did not elect to skip demonstrating it because he is scared someone will screw up and blame him for it. I don't think he actually cares about that to be perfectly honest. And, he shouldn't care. Not his problem. Not my problem. Not our problem. Bad things happen to stupid people. Stupid and/or unskilled people should not try to do things that require intelligence or skill. If they screw up it's 100% on them. I never advocate withholding useful information that smart people can benefit from to protect stupid people from being harmed by their own stupidity.

 

So, he topped 5 resistors with a shunt resistor from what we can see here. I highlighted in yellow the resistors that he soldered on top of original resistors in the images below (before and after).

 
 

  

23 minutes ago, johnksss said:

So with all that card moving he is doing in the video, how is the LM holding the 5 chips to the board or the uneven chips underneath them?

12:20 If he did, that is one hell of a good job!

 

Edit: Doesn't LM eat up the solder? So leaving this on a shunt for long term would be bad right? Or did that change over the last few years?

Yup, liquid metal dissolves solder. In fact, you can use it to dissolve solder on a delidded CPU if you don't have any QuickSilver. Liquid metal works the same, it just costs a lot more than QuickSilver.

 

 

[johnksss]

5 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

We'll never know how he applied it since he doesn't want to show anyone just in case they damage their card.

 

One of his shortcomings is a weird fascination with information hording and bragging. It goes against the spirit of enthusiasts and sharing.

 

If someone asks me a question about a setting or a hardware mod or whatever, I always freely share. I always have and always will. I was and am the same way with coding styles and algorithms. Whenever anyone asked me about how I wrote a specific part of code in assembly (WAY back in the day) or C or Pascal (I guess today would be Swift), I would just explain to them what I did and usually provide sample code because, why not?

 

So when I bump up against other tech heads that get weirdly possessive about their methodology or information (outside of truly competitive arenas and/or financial stakes of course), they just seem strange and sad.

I was curious because I haven't done a shunt mod in a really long time. And I do remember trying both methods when I did. I totally sucked at using LM, but my soldering skills we a little bit better.

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

He actually soldered shunt resistors on top, which is how I have always done it. @johnksssspotted the changes in the video. I was hoping he would actually demonstrate it, but he probably did not because he is greedy and expects people to pay him for everything.  He doesn't share most things for the good of the community like most of us do. He wants that $500 "consultation" fee way too much. Probably did not elect to not demonstrate it because he is scared someone will screw up and blame him for it. I don't think he actually cares about that to be honest. And, he shouldn't care. Not my problem. Not his problem. Not our problem. Bad things happen to stupid people. Stupid and/or unskilled people should not try to do things that require intelligence or skill. If tthey screw up it's 100% on them.

 

So, he topped 5 resistors with a shunt resistor from what we can see here. I highlighted in yellow the resistors that he solder on top of in the images below (before and after).

 
 

 

 

 

I'll go back and listen again. I don't know if he mentioned liquid metal in the context of his shut mod non showing or I misheard it but visuals trump all.

 

And yeah, he is all about the monetization while railing against the bigger tech tubers. Always patronizingly asking his viewers to thank others who give to him in any fashion. All about how he and his discord are the only source of true information and other such nonsense. I noticed he took those Asus goodies right quick and toned down his normal rhetoric when reviewing them. He actually likes the 5080 FE. It, too, was supplied for free. I mean I like it too but I paid for mine.....

 

That's exactly it @Mr. Fox you nailed it on the head:

 

" He doesn't share most things for the good of the community like most of us do."

 

With all that said, I still enjoy the bulk of his videos. 🙂

 

 

[jaybee83]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

He actually soldered shunt resistors on top, which is how I have always done it. @johnksssspotted the changes in the video. I was hoping he would actually demonstrate it, but he probably did not because he is greedy and expects people to pay him for everything.  He doesn't share most things for the good of the community like most of us do. He wants that $500 "consultation" fee way too much. He probably did not elect to skip demonstrating it because he is scared someone will screw up and blame him for it. I don't think he actually cares about that to be perfectly honest. And, he shouldn't care. Not his problem. Not my problem. Not our problem. Bad things happen to stupid people. Stupid and/or unskilled people should not try to do things that require intelligence or skill. If they screw up it's 100% on them. I never advocate withholding useful information that smart people can benefit from to protect stupid people from being harmed by their own stupidity.

 

So, he topped 5 resistors with a shunt resistor from what we can see here. I highlighted in yellow the resistors that he soldered on top of original resistors in the images below (before and after).

 
 

 

 

 

ohnoooozzzz....now we all owe you 500 bucks each and were in dire risk of destroying our hardware! 😮 

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'll go back and listen again. I don't know if he mentioned liquid metal in the context of his shut mod non showing or I misheard it but visuals trump all.

 

And yeah, he is all about the monetization while railing against the bigger tech tubers. Always patronizingly asking his viewers to thank others who give to him in any fashion. All about how he and his discord are the only source of true information and other such nonsense. I noticed he took those Asus goodies right quick and toned down his normal rhetoric when reviewing them. He actually likes the 5080 FE. It, too, was supplied for free. I mean I like it too but I paid for mine.....

 

That's exactly it @Mr. Fox you nailed it on the head:

 

" He doesn't share most things for the good of the community like most of us do."

 

With all that said, I still enjoy the bulk of his videos. 🙂

 

 

LOL. Yup, I enjoy most of his videos as well. He is right more often than wrong and I am so used to his potty mouth that it is started to become amusing to see a public figure that is so oblivious to their own uncoutheness.

19 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

ohnoooozzzz....now we all owe you 500 bucks each and were in dire risk of destroying our hardware! 😮 

I'll accept friendship and appreciation as payment in full. 🤣 I think those are 8 mohm. Even on 4K the image is a little fuzzy, but it looks like 8 is printed on the resistors. And, those are what generally work best for shunt mods. Here is a photo from one of my shunt mods. It looks like what he used.

  

21 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I was curious because I haven't done a shunt mod in a really long time. And I do remember trying both methods when I did. I totally sucked at using LM, but my soldering skills we a little bit better.

My last time was on my Eluktronics Tongfang MECH15 turdbook. The benefit was minimal because the entire platform was severely limited... which is status quo for all mobile trash. It did help, but the reward was much smaller than the effort it required.

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I really like this one as well. $3200 OBO. I’m thinking about taking a stab at it. It’s a loaded up Titan GT77 13980HX+4090. Very tempting. I am not sure what my fascination with these machines is lol. But I’ve always wanted one.  
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/387898747117?_skw=MSI+Titan+GT77&itmmeta=01JKKM4VJQX3R57DQNRZBJSKWV&hash=item5a509128ed:g:wfMAAOSwhwpnlUsk&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKkTgwgtpf7bbC3f9KQgQqG%2BfBXkeVSfm9ojpRJ6ogDaSoM1IWiuUydboeieYj64WKN4Msxgnvxnx6uvtdmPa3U9Ro%2BdYEgbbI294cV89rnKljFavNXYTNJfZzWXd2TE6CaraHkE9mhA0y9vZ9pgU0tf7HVrVNEQy5Gux2ergISaC1jMDxAY13hg4rqZGpb8d%2BUHGDjePl7nXKuQWeFQ6%2FZ6RjMF8w5OGfSvcvSICyEZEXtuRtaZ2pMnpYgWbKm3e4QBvrXQ24XLmi9fj3aaOT2tieSrMzycgOwh87DYfDhtUA%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7y5k_ScZQ

 

Its worth around 2000-2500. Hope he extended the warranty too as these came with a 1 year by default I think.

 

You could also look for a ge78. That would overclock memory better and we can get a modded ec to let it boost higher if you tweak the cooling system.

[Mr. Fox]

40 minutes ago, Papusan said:

O'. my god. The King of newer Jokebooks😀

There is no royalty in the Land of Turdbooks. Only dictators dick taters. 

[tps3443]

25 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Its worth around 2000-2500. Hope he extended the warranty too as these came with a 1 year by default I think.

 

You could also look for a ge78. That would overclock memory better and we can get a modded ec to let it boost higher if you tweak the cooling system.

Yeah I really don’t want to pay a fortune on some last gen stuff. Though I admit RTX 4000 series still feels like current gen lol. 😂 That’s never happened to me before. 

[Mr. Fox]

33 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah I really don’t want to pay a fortune on some last gen stuff. Though I admit RTX 4000 series still feels like current gen lol. 😂 That’s never happened to me before. 

That's only because taking steps backward and regression on new product launches was never as common as it is now. It's pretty inexcusable when you stop and think about the amount of gall it takes to expect people to jump on the hype train and pay substantially more for something only because it is new when performance gains are tiny or non-existent, or even a downgrade. Newer is always better newer.

 

@tps3443 why spend a lot for a turdbook when you could spend the same or less for something a whole lot better. That makes no sense. You could buy this prebuilt with a 5080 and get a complete system for roughly the same price as a 5080 scalper-edition GPU or a crummy turdbook. Then you could drop a different low-cost GPU in it and probably sell it for enough to make the 5080 end up costing you about $500. If you put your 4090 it in you might even make a profit on the sale of it. But, that would be minor GPU downgrade.

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1874887-REG/cyberpowerpc_slc11040cpg_gamer_supreme_liquid_cool.html

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's only because taking steps backward and regression on new product launches was never as common as it is now. It's pretty inexcusable when you stop and think about the amount of gall it takes to expect people to jump on the hype train and pay substantially more for something only because it is new when performance gains are tiny or non-existent, or even a downgrade. Newer is always better newer.

 

@tps3443 why spend a lot for a turdbook when you could spend the same or less for something a whole lot better. That makes no sense. You could buy this prebuilt with a 5080 and get a complete system for roughly the same price as a 5080 scalper-edition GPU or a crummy turdbook. Then you could drop a different low-cost GPU in it and probably sell it for enough to make the 5080 end up costing you about $500. If you put your 4090 it in you might even make a profit on the sale of it. But, that would be minor GPU downgrade.

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1874887-REG/cyberpowerpc_slc11040cpg_gamer_supreme_liquid_cool.html

Hey that’s a pretty good deal. Sold out unfortunately though. I may do that. I really just wanted something fun to play with is all. Laptops are cool because they are all contained in nice quality feature filled package that’s portable. They look cool, feel cool, and I find them interesting. But, being completely honest I’m just window shopping and browsing around until I can actually snag a 5090 GPU when they come in stock lol. Highly unlikely you’ll see me buying a gaming laptop, unless it was an amazing deal. And I’m just not seeing that. I love the MSI TITAN laptops, but they are so overpriced. Something about their heft and looks is very appealing to me. Not really sure why, I just like them. It’s almost like I need to get it out of my system lol. I went through a phase a while back of wanting a GT77 Titan really bad. 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Hey that’s a pretty good deal. Sold out unfortunately though. I may do that. I really just wanted something fun to play with is all. Laptops are cool because they are all contained in nice quality feature filled package that’s portable. They look cool, feel cool, and I find them interesting. But, being completely honest I’m just window shopping and browsing around until I can actually snag a 5090 GPU when they come in stock lol. Highly unlikely you’ll see me buying a gaming laptop, unless it was an amazing deal. And I’m just not seeing that. I love the MSI TITAN laptops, but they are so overpriced. Something about their heft and looks is very appealing to me. Not really sure why, I just like them. It’s almost like I need to get it out of my system lol. I went through a phase a while back of wanting a GT77 Titan really bad. 

 

Yep, I still love laptops to this day. I lament the loss of big, hungry, powerful laptops with pounds of heatsinks, but that doesn't mean I'm going to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I adapt and keep it pushin'

 

As for the pre-builts, those will get snatched up almost as fast as the GPUs. During the height of Ampere days and the boom, pre-builts couldn't stay in stock either depending on the GPU included. Anything with a 3090 and 3080 just blew right out the door.

 

Looking at the configs with like for like specs, charging $3k more for the 5090 over the 5080 is savage.

 

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I mean this combo does save you $20, everything is MSRP but man you have GOT to love Asus to get it. You can go full on Asus in your build, display, wifi router everything!

 

 

 

Just grab this:

 

 

And your journey to the dark side will be complete....(don't forget your memory and storage!)

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Looking at the configs with like for like specs, charging $3k more for the 5090 over the 5080 is savage.

NGREEDIA is probably shafting all board partners for the price of a 5090 chipset and leaving them with an inadequate space for profit margin, so they're probably not able to make and sell a GPU people want for an acceptable price. This smarter ones will build on a PCB for 5090 that is dimensionally  identical to their 4090 PCB and re-use the 4090 cooler. Basically a mini product refresh. Wasting time and money to develop anything aesthetically different would be super stupid.

[Raiderman]

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

In my arsenal atm:

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(These are all 15.6" laptops)

 

Dell G15 13650HX w/ 4050

Asus Vivobook OLED Core Ultra 7 w/ 3050

Asus Vivobook OLED Core Ultra 9 w/ 3050

Acer Nitro AMD Ryzen 5 7535HS w/ 4050

NH55 golden 12900k w/ 3070ti

 

Incoming:

 

MSI Raider 18" 7950HX3D w/ 4090

 

---------------------------------------------------------------

 

I'm going to need to downsize the top list sooner than later.

Even after my great laptop selloff in late 2023 (Sold 4 of them), I have the above.

 

 

@electrosoft I knew you were a hardware slut, but I did not have a clue of how dirty, and nasty of one you are! 🤣🤣

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

@electrosoft I knew you were a hardware slut, but I did not have a clue of how dirty, and nasty of one you are! 🤣🤣

 

Me: "Whatever do you mean?!"

 

Also Me:

 

 

🤣

[Mr. Fox]

Unfortunate how idiotic the design of the 50-series FE cards turned out. Everything is possible, but that doesn't mean anything about it was intelligent. It is nice that Roman is finding solutions to the  horribly flawed engineering mess with the 50-series FE GPU design for those that make the mistake of purchasing one. While I don't like the FE design, I do like the design of the waterblock using mostly metal, some real glass and no acrylic or acetal plastics. Once it is all nickel plated it's going to be pretty sharp-looking.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Interesting. Really pushed the 4090 watts. https://nemez.net/projects/gpuperftests/

It is showing 50% of TDP because I am using a 1000W vBIOS.

[Tenoroon]

Due to some recent circumstances, I might be needing to get a new laptop as my G14 has likely been crushed. Has anyone here played with the framework laptops? I've always wanted one, but could never justify getting one until my G14 gives out, which i'm pretty certain it has. I'll figure that out in a few hours though.

 

But yeah, I am not sure if anyone here has one, but if so, could you give me your thoughts about it? Doesn't matter if it's the 13 or 16 inch one as they are built similarly. I know you guys are the most picky with your tech, just like me, so I trust your guys's judgements a lot more than most "reviewers."

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Unfortunate how idiotic the design of the 50-series FE cards turned out. Everything is possible, but that doesn't mean anything about it was intelligent.

 

I wonder if two melted 12V-2x6 pin connectors smells worse than only one. Sad seeing the stupid tiny connector is also on the PSU panel. Top it up with a custom cable make it triple stupid. Whata flawed design. And what is worse.... Some think double up with stupidity is better

 

 

 

Bold claims from MoDDIY. We have sold tens of thousands of our 12VHPWR 16-pin cables and adapters, and there is no melting incident whatsoever, ZERO. This can prove the point that using top-quality materials and parts is always the key to make 12VHPWR products safe and reliable. First melted 5090 show up and it had to be with an custom MoDDIY cable, LOOL

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

I wonder if two melted 12V-2x6 pin connectors smells worse than only one. Sad seeing the stupid tiny connector is also on the PSU panel. Top it up with a custom cable make it triple stupid. Whata flawed design. And what is worse.... Some think double up with stupidity is better

 

 

 

Bold claims from MoDDIY. We have sold tens of thousands of our 12VHPWR 16-pin cables and adapters, and there is no melting incident whatsoever, ZERO. This can prove the point that using top-quality materials and parts is always the key to make 12VHPWR products safe and reliable. First melted 5090 show up and it had to be with an custom MoDDIY cable, LOOL

 

THANK YOU LORD!! This is a blessing in disguise. Maybe scalpers will stop buying them now, and demand will fall.
 

 

In other news! I got me two of these bad boys! 480 GTX and a 480 GTR, one left to go! 😁for a triple white 480 setup. 
 

 

[jaybee83]

18 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yep, I still love laptops to this day. I lament the loss of big, hungry, powerful laptops with pounds of heatsinks, but that doesn't mean I'm going to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I adapt and keep it pushin'

 

As for the pre-builts, those will get snatched up almost as fast as the GPUs. During the height of Ampere days and the boom, pre-builts couldn't stay in stock either depending on the GPU included. Anything with a 3090 and 3080 just blew right out the door.

 

Looking at the configs with like for like specs, charging $3k more for the 5090 over the 5080 is savage.

 

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I mean this combo does save you $20, everything is MSRP but man you have GOT to love Asus to get it. You can go full on Asus in your build, display, wifi router everything!

 

 

 

Just grab this:

 

 

And your journey to the dark side will be complete....(don't forget your memory and storage!)

 

oh gawd, pls shoot me now before i go all Ass-R-Us 😄 

 

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

NGREEDIA is probably shafting all board partners for the price of a 5090 chipset and leaving them with an inadequate space for profit margin, so they're probably not able to make and sell a GPU people want for an acceptable price. This smarter ones will build on a PCB for 5090 that is dimensionally  identical to their 4090 PCB and re-use the 4090 cooler. Basically a mini product refresh. Wasting time and money to develop anything aesthetically different would be super stupid.

 

nah nobody would buy that, cuz HOW would their gamerboi friendz distinguish their shiny new 5090 from their previous 4090?!?!?! 😮 

 

[win32asmguy]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

Bold claims from MoDDIY. We have sold tens of thousands of our 12VHPWR 16-pin cables and adapters, and there is no melting incident whatsoever, ZERO. This can prove the point that using top-quality materials and parts is always the key to make 12VHPWR products safe and reliable. First melted 5090 show up and it had to be with an custom MoDDIY cable, LOOL

 

Hmmm is a Corsair Type 4 12V-2x6 cable safe to used? I dont want to risk destroying such an expensive card. The 4080 Super only draws around 300W so the 5090 will be significantly more power draw.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Hmmm is a Corsair Type 4 12V-2x6 cable safe to used? I dont want to risk destroying such an expensive card. The 4080 Super only draws around 300W so the 5090 will be significantly more power draw.

 

I would use cables from the PSU manufacturers or the adapter coming with the graphics cards. I expect easier get an RMA this way if something happens. Avoid 3rd party cables/adapters.

[Mr. Fox]

35 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Hmmm is a Corsair Type 4 12V-2x6 cable safe to used? I dont want to risk destroying such an expensive card. The 4080 Super only draws around 300W so the 5090 will be significantly more power draw.

I think any decent PSU will include a Gen5 GPU cable that is as safe as one of them can ever be given the inherently flawed design. I've got two 4090s and a 3090 Ti that are using the cables that came with my Corsair RM1200x SHIFT, my RM1000e and Thermaltake Toughpower 1650W PSU. I would avoid any PSUs that have the crappy new connector on both ends of the cable. I think that is really stupid. The connectors on my 3090 Ti and both 4090s show no signs of getting hot. They look the same as when they were new. Don't use aftermarket cables and adapters on 12VHPWR connectors (or whatever new name they have invented for the same crappy connector).

  

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I would use cables from the PSU manufacturers or the adapter coming with the graphics cards. I expect easier get an RMA this way of something happens. Avoid 3rd party cables/adapters.

Exactly. 💯 Very simple and sound logic. It's rare today to see sound logic and simple things are almost always better and more reliable than complex things. It's when things get too fancy and/or overly complex that everything starts turning to crap.

  

36 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

nah nobody would buy that, cuz HOW would their gamerboi friendz distinguish their shiny new 5090 from their previous 4090?!?!?! 😮 

That would be perfect. Keep everyone guessing and speculating from the photos. 

 

If the 9070 XT comes close to 4080 and does RT at least as good as 3090 Ti or 4080 and comes in under $700 it will be interesting to see what NVIDIA does with pricing, or if they will remain absurd simply because fanboys will continue paying 5090 scalper prices for 5080 and 4090 GPUs

 

It's anyone's guess how 9070 XT will turn out. As much as I don't like Radeon cards, it might be the only option that ends up making any sense whatsoever based on price. Being the best and owning the best is always preferrable, except in circumstances when the absence of value becomes impossible to rationalize. Why pay 400% more per FPS when the best doesn't offer a 400% performance increase? Dumb.

[win32asmguy]

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I would use cables from the PSU manufacturers or the adapter coming with the graphics cards. I expect easier get an RMA this way of something happens. Avoid 3rd party cables/adapters.

 

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think any decent PSU will include a Gen5 GPU cable that is as safe as one of them can ever be given the inherently flawed design. I've got two 4090s using the cable that came with my Corsair RM1200x SHIFT, my RM1000e and Thermaltake Toughpower 1650W PSU. I would avoid any PSUs that have the crappy new connect on both ends of the cable. The connectors on my 3090 Ti and both 4090s show no signs of getting hot. They look the same as when they were new. Don't use aftermarket cables and adapters on 12VHPWR connectors (or whatever new name they have invented for the same crappy connector).

 

Yeah somehow I got an old revision Corsair HX1500i that did not include any 12VHPWR cables. So I ended up picking up the separate 12V-2x6 cable they sell for $30.

 

On another note, is there any reason to get a Power Conditioner + AVR for the system? I am used to running my systems through a UPS with those features but it seems like for high wattage they are only standalone.

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, win32asmguy said:

 

 

Yeah somehow I got an old revision Corsair HX1500i that did not include any 12VHPWR cables. So I ended up picking up the separate 12V-2x6 cable they sell for $30.

 

On another note, is there any reason to get a Power Conditioner + AVR for the system? I am used to running my systems through a UPS with those features but it seems like for high wattage they are only standalone.

If Corsair is selling it for that PSU it should be fine. 

 

No idea on the other question.