*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

Should I update my bios +6 years? Asus just released a new bios here in 2025.. 😁 NOPE!!! In all honesty, I hate that once you update you cannot go back.. It really sucks. I mean, you can revert back to an older bios. But you cannot go back to an older firmware like with newer Asus boards. I updated the Bios+FW on my other Dominus Extreme, and I regretted it. I have to say, for such an old bios it gives me no trouble with Windows 11. Part of me wants to try this new bios, but I know there's no going back once I do. 

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Should I update my bios +6 years? Asus just released a new bios here in 2025.. 😁 NOPE!!! In all honesty, I hate that once you update you cannot go back.. It really sucks. I mean, you can revert back to an older bios. But you cannot go back to an older firmware like with newer Asus boards. I updated the Bios+FW on my other Dominus Extreme, and I regretted it. I have to say, for such an old bios it gives me no trouble with Windows 11. Part of me wants to try this new bios, but I know there's no going back once I do. 

Don't do it bro. If you really want to try it then use an SPI flash programmer to save a chip dump to a .BIN or .ROM backup and use it to put back the old firmware when you confirm the latest sucks. If you do it that way the motherboard won't have any say as to what gets flashed. I used to do this frequently with unsigned turdbook BIOS mods.

 

If I am not mistaken using the programmer will not downgrade the Intel ME. You would be stuck with a crappier newer ME version. To avoid that you would use the programmer to flash the newer BIOS and that would leave the better older Intel ME.

 

That board has dual BIOS, right? You should not flash both chips.

[tps3443]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Don't do it bro. If you really want to try it then use an SPI flash programmer to save a chip dump to a .BIN or .ROM backup and use it to put back the old firmware when you confirm the latest sucks. If you do it that way the motherboard won't have any say as to what gets flashed. I used to do this frequently with unsigned turdbook BIOS mods.

 

If I am not mistaken using the programmer will not downgrade the Intel ME. You would be stuck with a crappier newer ME version. To avoid that you would use the programmer to flash the newer BIOS and that would leave the better older Intel ME.

 

That board has dual BIOS, right? You should not flash both chips.

Great idea! I have a SPI programmer with a Soic 8 clip somewhere from my laptop days, I remember seeing it when we moved in to the new house. I need to dig it up wherever it is. 
 

So, I can flash the new bios and it will only update the bios, and not the firmware? 

[Papusan]

9070XT ~ $600. The 9070  is all too expencive at $549. Why in hell price it that high? But I hope AMD have enough cards for launch. Because AMD need customers/higher market share.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rdna4-officially-presented-in-china-radeon-rx-9070-xt-priced-at-4999-rmb-599-rx-9070-at-4499-rmb-549

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Should I update my bios +6 years? Asus just released a new bios here in 2025.. 😁 NOPE!!! In all honesty, I hate that once you update you cannot go back.. It really sucks. I mean, you can revert back to an older bios. But you cannot go back to an older firmware like with newer Asus boards. I updated the Bios+FW on my other Dominus Extreme, and I regretted it. I have to say, for such an old bios it gives me no trouble with Windows 11. Part of me wants to try this new bios, but I know there's no going back once I do. 

 

no idea if ure already aware of that, but: with Asus its possible to downgrade even "non-downgradeable" bios versions via bios flashback functionality. the USB port for bios flashback is dumb, so it basically just flashes the bios file thats on the stick without any version checks.

 

i was able to downgrade a bios via that route, even though the changelog said that downgrading was not possible (verified that i wasnt able to flash bios the regular way). but bios flashback worked like a charm 🙂 

 

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Don't do it bro. If you really want to try it then use an SPI flash programmer to save a chip dump to a .BIN or .ROM backup and use it to put back the old firmware when you confirm the latest sucks. If you do it that way the motherboard won't have any say as to what gets flashed. I used to do this frequently with unsigned turdbook BIOS mods.

 

If I am not mistaken using the programmer will not downgrade the Intel ME. You would be stuck with a crappier newer ME version. To avoid that you would use the programmer to flash the newer BIOS and that would leave the better older Intel ME.

 

That board has dual BIOS, right? You should not flash both chips.

 

dual bios FTW! perfect for playing around with new revisions 🙂 one of the many reason is went with the Extreme board, one of the very few X670 boards that has two bios chips.

 

btw, saw this review of the Gigabyte Master RTX 5090 by HUB, very interesting:

 

 

 

VRMs for the core are +2 vs. the Suprim, albeit likely with lower amperage rating per VRM. and the temps are better for both core and VRAM. this likely due to the fact theyre using putty for the whole cards instead of pads (plus liquid metal-ish on the core).

 

it also sports 2 more heatpipes than the Suprim (13 vs. 11 heatpipes)

 

BUT: The Suprim weighs a whopping +1KG more than the Master. Number of heatpipes is not all, also depends on the size / diameter.

 

So although the data looks promising the pricing should be quite similar between the two, im thinking the Suprim would still be better once swapped over to LM and thermal putty. What do u guys think? That 1kg less weight makes me very suspicious....and the putty can do quite a lot to improve temps, esp. in combo with LM.

 

just some thoughts to pass the time until prices come down (and bugs get rectified 😄 )

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Great idea! I have a SPI programmer with a Soic 8 clip somewhere from my laptop days, I remember seeing it when we moved in to the new house. I need to dig it up wherever it is. 
 

So, I can flash the new bios and it will only update the bios, and not the firmware? 

It will update the BIOS (firmware) and CPU Microcode (firmware) but probably not the ME or not the EC (also firmware) if you use the SPI programmer. If you flash it normally and then use the SPI programmer the EC will remain on the newer version and generally the Intel ME will remain the same.

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

dual bios FTW! perfect for playing around with new revisions 🙂 one of the many reason is went with the Extreme board, one of the very few X670 boards that has two bios chips.

Indeed. I don't know why there are so few AMD boards with dual BIOS. Some aspects of that feel insulting to me. Like mobo manufacturers have the attitude, they're just AMD gamers and casual PC enthusiasts. They won't notice or care. It's downright sinful and inexcusable that a $700 board like the Gene does not. This should be an expected standard feature, like having USB ports and HDMI/DP, on all desktop motherboards and GPUs in all price ranges. Honestly, it should even be standard on turdbooks to have dual BIOS given the hazard that Micro$lop Updates flash (and sometimes brick) the BIOS on laptops owned by dummies that leave it enabled on purpose and noobs that don't know they can disable it.

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

no idea if ure already aware of that, but: with Asus its possible to downgrade even "non-downgradeable" bios versions via bios flashback functionality. the USB port for bios flashback is dumb, so it basically just flashes the bios file thats on the stick without any version checks.

 

i was able to downgrade a bios via that route, even though the changelog said that downgrading was not possible (verified that i wasnt able to flash bios the regular way). but bios flashback worked like a charm 🙂 

ASUS does block it sometimes even with BIOS flashback. But most of the time they do not and you can often flash unsigned firmware mods, depending on what was modded. What they do block is downgrading Intel ME and sometimes the EC firmware.

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Interesting to see some of the latest AMD X3D chips burning again. I have seen examples of it a few time in the last week or two. I wonder if AMD rolled out a buggy new AGESA and SMU and those that burned are all the same version? Weird that everything was fine and then it was suddenly not OK for few people.

[tps3443]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

no idea if ure already aware of that, but: with Asus its possible to downgrade even "non-downgradeable" bios versions via bios flashback functionality. the USB port for bios flashback is dumb, so it basically just flashes the bios file thats on the stick without any version checks.

 

i was able to downgrade a bios via that route, even though the changelog said that downgrading was not possible (verified that i wasnt able to flash bios the regular way). but bios flashback worked like a charm 🙂 

 

 

dual bios FTW! perfect for playing around with new revisions 🙂 one of the many reason is went with the Extreme board, one of the very few X670 boards that has two bios chips.

 

btw, saw this review of the Gigabyte Master RTX 5090 by HUB, very interesting:

 

 

 

VRMs for the core are +2 vs. the Suprim, albeit likely with lower amperage rating per VRM. and the temps are better for both core and VRAM. this likely due to the fact theyre using putty for the whole cards instead of pads (plus liquid metal-ish on the core).

 

it also sports 2 more heatpipes than the Suprim (13 vs. 11 heatpipes)

 

BUT: The Suprim weighs a whopping +1KG more than the Master. Number of heatpipes is not all, also depends on the size / diameter.

 

So although the data looks promising the pricing should be quite similar between the two, im thinking the Suprim would still be better once swapped over to LM and thermal putty. What do u guys think? That 1kg less weight makes me very suspicious....and the putty can do quite a lot to improve temps, esp. in combo with LM.

 

just some thoughts to pass the time until prices come down (and bugs get rectified 😄 )

I say let em sit on the shelves for a while until nearly end of cycle lol. Then buy exactly which one you want and enjoy the cheaper upgrade cost. The lower the interest generated is probably better.
 

Thats what I normally did. And then I had prepared my self for the 5090 launch, and it really made me dislike Nvidia for it lol. Too much stress all for a dumb GPU. 
 

So, I’m going to sit back and relax and just use what I have. The 4090 is already a brute as it is. And the RTX 50 series has been a let down with the paper launch, scalpers, missing ROPs, burning cables (Still). Since the entire world started PC gaming professionally and requires a 5090, I think Nvidia needs to first learn how to properly make a GPU and test them for full function/ full spec, and then they can learn how to make bulk supply like other companies do. The PS5 Pro launched in 11/7/2024, they are available all the time on Sony store for MSRP $699.99. This seems silly. But it’s a concept that seems legitimately impossible for Nvidia to achieve this with their own products. So it makes me think they are artificially inflating GPU prices even further. I’m not really sure. 🤷‍♂️

Anyways, I’m still sore from the whole 5090 endeavor lol. 

 

[win32asmguy]

On 2/26/2025 at 9:04 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Yes it is very close. This game benchmark seems more CPU heavy than most as well, so the minor difference might be largely your CPU if the benchmark using more the available cores.

 

One thing I need to try and do is see if I can push clocks a bit further. Supposedly testing individual cores for overclocking stability is a way to achieve this. Is there a good guide out there for this process? Ideally if I could even get 8 out of 24 cores up to 5.2ghz then I could also generate a Process Lasso affinity preset to apply to games. Sadly they seem to mostly be dumb and do not ever select a higher clocked core, or potentially there are bugs with CPPC in pair with the Xeon so it may just not work well in an automated fashion.

 

On 2/27/2025 at 1:22 AM, jaybee83 said:

 

gotta go for 4K minimum, otherwise ull be cpu bottlenecked to kingdom come 🙂 

 

I am looking at a few higher resolution options out there potentially. I do not want OLED or really miniLED. There is a 38 inch ultrawide LG at 3840x1600 that looks interesting and should be a better fit for a 5090.

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

btw, saw this review of the Gigabyte Master RTX 5090 by HUB, very interesting:

it also sports 2 more heatpipes than the Suprim (13 vs. 11 heatpipes)

 

BUT: The Suprim weighs a whopping +1KG more than the Master. Number of heatpipes is not all, also depends on the size / diameter.

 

Something is fishy here. The whole cards weight is 1750 grams from the HUB video. The cooler weight 1450 and the die cast frame 244 grams. That's already 1694 grams if you follow the math. No in hell the 5090 PCB, components and fans + the fan shroud only weight in 56 grams. Please do the math yourself.

 

For the records... The 5090 Master Ice, the white sibling, weight 3200 grams with the added extra fan from this review. Far from 1750 grams the Aorus  Master weight in as HU claims.

 

Not sure what's up. Brain fog?🤐

 

Edit. Gigabyte would be insane/stupid if they engineered their 5090 flagship cards lighter than previous gen low end 4090 SKUs as the 4090 Gaming OC you see from pict below. 

 

And for the pricing.... More expensive than even Asus flagship. ROG taxes wasn't enough for Gigabyte. Even the Gaming OC card cost more than the Astral OC. Isn't that disgusting?

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Something is fishy here. The whole cards weight is 1750 grams from the HUB video. The cooler weight 1450 and the die cast frame 244 grams. That's already 1694 grams if you follow the math. No in hell the 5090 PCB, components and fans + the fan shroud only weight in 56 grams. Please do the math yourself.

 

For the records... The 5090 Master Ice, the white sibling, weight 3200 grams with the added extra fan from this review. Far from 1750 grams the Aorus  Master weight in as HU claims.

 

Not sure what's up. Brain fog?🤐

 

 

And for the pricing.... More expensive than even Asus flagship. ROG taxes wasn't enough for Gigabyte. Even the Gaming OC card cost more than the Astral OC. Isn't that disgusting?

 

 

My 4090 Gaming OC felt like a feather weight toy compared to my 4080 Super Suprim X. The 4090 gaming OC was just so light weight. While my MSI 4080S was a lead weight lol

 

The 4080s Suprim felt like two 4090 Gaming OC’s lol.
 

 

[tps3443]

The Lian Li P28’s just arrived, and these fans are super heavy. They are 120x28mm, heavy duty, very high quality! I’m impressed. The weight feels incredibly substantial like it’s a serious fan. 

[Papusan]

20 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

 

"The market dictates how much a product is worth. It isn't good or bad."

 

He's not wrong. In a free market, supply and demand will quickly determine a products value. With supply so constrained and demand high, pricing is what it is.

 

But we've already seen prices coming down as the "price is no object" crowd as been satisfied and while the prices are still crazy high, at least it is officially under $4k for FE 5090 and under $5k for Astrals for many listings.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

The mere fact that as many sold at insane scalper prices as there were is a very sad testament to the abject idiocy of the average human being. Passion and desire overtake them and they lose the ability to exercise sound judgment and self-control. In this case the market is being driven by fools and extremely stupid people that have lots of money to waste or access to credit cards, but lack sufficient common sense on how to use either of them wisely.

[Papusan]

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

He's not wrong. In a free market, supply and demand will quickly determine a products value. With supply so constrained and demand high, pricing is what it is.

 

Yup. And Nvidia know very well that their AIB partners for gaming cards can set whatever prices they want. Even for MSRP cards. Nvidia have no time for gamers. They go after the big money. Gamers will be valuable again once the AI bubble go out. 

 

There’s a finite capacity for chip production across the industry. Nvidia, AMD, and their fabrication partners can only make so many chips, especially for the newest and most complex designs — and a company like Nvidia would prefer to sell 10,000 new data center GPUs to OpenAI than 10,000 gaming GPUs to Best Buy (or a partners like etc Asus). And Asus can just adjust the prices of the few they get from Nvidia. 

OpenAI has run out of GPUs, says Sam Altman — GPT-4.5 rollout delayed due to lack of processing power

Altman added in his post that hundreds of thousands more GPUs are coming soon. Shortages like these are what’s pushing OpenAI to develop its own AI silicon in partnership with Broadcom. But because it will take the company years before it can release its own chips, for now it must rely on Nvidia and other providers for its needs for now.

 

AI cock suckery, LOOL

 

 

Nvidia RTX 5070 Ti vs. GTX 1080 Ti: Return of the GOAT GPU

The Nvidia RTX 5070 Ti is pretty darn good. But how does it compare to the eight-year-old GTX 1080 Ti, which many think is the greatest graphics card of all time?

 

In other words, if you spent money on this card seven or eight years ago and you don’t need the latest and greatest, I’d say you’re fine to hang on to that aging 10-series card for another generation.

[Meaker]

 

 

I am doing a home network upgrade and moving from a primarily super strong WiFi 6 network to cabling in all the computers on 2.5gb ethernet and WiFi 7 network for all the sundry devices.

 

I've got the express 7 handling routing and WiFi and and then using a pair of 5 port unifi utility 2.5gb switches to handle all the cables.

 

The hub will let me directly vpn into home and remotely manage it in case of issues. I'll be able to properly isolate all the iot etc.

[Rage Set]

53 minutes ago, Meaker said:

 

 

I am doing a home network upgrade and moving from a primarily super strong WiFi 6 network to cabling in all the computers on 2.5gb ethernet and WiFi 7 network for all the sundry devices.

 

I've got the express 7 handling routing and WiFi and and then using a pair of 5 port unifi utility 2.5gb switches to handle all the cables.

 

The hub will let me directly vpn into home and remotely manage it in case of issues. I'll be able to properly isolate all the iot etc.

 

Vlan support?

[Papusan]

 

 

Spot on from Corsair Team. Straight from the textbook. People think a native 12+4 pin cable is the best choice. But nothing is better than the old 8 pin connectors. There is still a few people out ther that can use their brain bro @Mr. Fox

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

More evidence of incredibly poor judgment from the Green Goblin.

  

37 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Spot on from Corsair Team. Straight from the textbook. People think a native 12+4 pin cable is the best choice. But nothing is better than the old 8 pin connectors. There is still a few people out ther that can use their brain bro @Mr. Fox

 

 

 

Being super stupid is the new normal. I am glad that Corsair isn't drinking the wee-wee flavored Kool-Aid.

 

[Papusan]

On 2/28/2025 at 3:20 AM, Mr. Fox said:

I hope he puts a 1000% tariff on all transactions with China... buying and selling. Instant death to GPUs and motherboards assembled in China using parts patented and made by American companies. 💯 Buh-bye China. RIP.

 

US companies prefer China. And nothing can or will be changed. 

 

Again you see tech companies prefer China over the west or globally. Nothing will change bro @Mr. Fox 

 

AMD has opened preorders for the just-announced Radeon RX 9070 series. The preorders are available exclusively in China for now. The company faces an uphill battle to gain momentum in China’s GPU market.

 

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT leads over non-XT model in China preorders

 

On 1/25/2025 at 6:48 PM, Papusan said:

All tech companies try please China. Last one one out is Intel. 

China-exclusive Core Ultra 5 230F Arrow Lake CPU poses for photos

 

[Meaker]

6 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

Vlan support?

Yes full support for that on the new 2.5gb utility switches (with allow all, block all or custom)

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

US companies prefer China. And nothing can or will be changed. 

 

Again you see tech companies prefer China over the west or globally. Nothing will change bro @Mr. Fox 

 

AMD has opened preorders for the just-announced Radeon RX 9070 series. The preorders are available exclusively in China for now. The company faces an uphill battle to gain momentum in China’s GPU market.

 

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT leads over non-XT model in China preorders

 

 

All they have to do is impose the tariffs to go both ways so that China is forced to pay a very high tax on products owned by American companies to purchase products manufactured in China. The US and the rest of the world needs to grow some gonads and completely decouple from China socially and economically and let them implode. They are overpopulated and under-resourced, and ripe for insurrection and civil unrest.

[Papusan]

48 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

All they have to do is impose the tariffs to go both ways so that China is forced to be a very high tax on products owned by American companies to purchase products manufactured in China. The US and the rest of the world needs to grow some gonads and completely decouple from China socially and economically and let them implode. They are overpopulated and under-resourced, and ripe for insurrection and civil unrest.

 

This won't help. And US government had to do the same for the whole Asia continent (Asia population is equivalent to 59.05% of the total world population). 

 

The “China Shock” in semiconductors: Chip prices have dropped so much that no company can compete, some could close

[jaybee83]

On 2/28/2025 at 4:17 PM, Papusan said:

 

Something is fishy here. The whole cards weight is 1750 grams from the HUB video. The cooler weight 1450 and the die cast frame 244 grams. That's already 1694 grams if you follow the math. No in hell the 5090 PCB, components and fans + the fan shroud only weight in 56 grams. Please do the math yourself.

 

For the records... The 5090 Master Ice, the white sibling, weight 3200 grams with the added extra fan from this review. Far from 1750 grams the Aorus  Master weight in as HU claims.

 

Not sure what's up. Brain fog?🤐

 

Edit. Gigabyte would be insane/stupid if they engineered their 5090 flagship cards lighter than previous gen low end 4090 SKUs as the 4090 Gaming OC you see from pict below. 

 

And for the pricing.... More expensive than even Asus flagship. ROG taxes wasn't enough for Gigabyte. Even the Gaming OC card cost more than the Astral OC. Isn't that disgusting?

 

 

 

very nice info my man, thanks for that. sticking to my gut feeling and keeping an eye out for the Suprim 🙂 

[Talon]

On 2/27/2025 at 11:40 PM, Papusan said:

9070XT ~ $600. The 9070  is all too expencive at $549. Why in hell price it that high? But I hope AMD have enough cards for launch. Because AMD need customers/higher market share.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rdna4-officially-presented-in-china-radeon-rx-9070-xt-priced-at-4999-rmb-599-rx-9070-at-4499-rmb-549

 

 

 

 

WTF is a "reference clock". I'm sorry, but this kid is an absolute goof. I've watched some of his stuff and he has very little knowledge about what he's doing or talking about. He overlays the stats, and puts in "reference clock" and clamped the clocks down to hit his agenda of trying to present a slower card. Total BS. Unless he's attempting to tell the audience out of pure ignorance or misleading them to believe that Nvidia cards only hit their "reference boost". This has not been the case since the 600 series? 

 

 

As you can see even this crap MSI Ventus "reference boosts" to 2782MHz out of box. 

 

Total joker.