*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

boom. snagged one 8 minutes in at 4% above MSRP. can totally live with that 😄 could be here by end of this week! w00t w00t!

 

edit: LOL damn i think i was lucky / fast this time around. the shop i got it from was sold out inside of 3 minutes 😄 

 

edit2: no wait, they just got in more supply. enjoy the race, folks! 😄 

 

edit3: aaand theyre gone again....total 7 minutes in stock lulz

 

edit4: aaaand another supply drip just in. ok, enough with these edits!

 

anyone else here on the hunt?

Congrats, brother. Super happy you got what you wanted. I love when that happens.

42 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Anyone want a 5090FE? I got a priority access purchase link from Nvidia. I don’t have the funds to use it! lol. 😂 

 

I may try to throw the funds together. 😬 it’s gonna be a hard PUSH to get it done. 

 

isd12

Nope. No interest in 5090 now, and especially not  an FE engineering abortion. Plus, I don't want to reward NVIDIA for being a scummy outfit.

 

You honestly don't need one. Save your money for something better later on. Minus DLSS 4 and extra fake frames it produces it's not a meaningful upgrade to 4090. If you take those things away it's not that much of an upgrade, even though the ginormous price tag suggests otherwise.

29 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I thought about trying a 9950X3D.

 

Between the increased latency of the registered memory, limit of around 5.2ghz on air for the 2495x, and the fact that some of my encoding jobs do not scale above 8 cores I was thinking about trying a 9950X3D instead. It would probably be a better chip for WoW given what @electrosoft mentioned with his 9800X3D the other day. Honestly even the tuned Raider 18 felt smoother in WoW with the 7945HX3D paired with the 4090m.

 

Right now is not a great time to build anything though as I am traveling for the next couple of weeks..

The X3D processors are of no special value outside of gaming, but they are the undisputed king in that area.

Everyone else is better served with an ordinary CPU with core parking disabled.

 

If they are cherry-picking binned silicon for the 9950X3D that might interest me, but we haven't seen enough of them in the wild to know if they overclock significantly higher than non-3D 99550X. If they can do 6.0GHz or higher on all 16 cores that would impress me enough to buy one. Not sure why they did not use 3D cache on both CCDs. That might have been more interesting. Relying on a crap OS like Winduhz 11 to identify the game and manage the CPU behavior is stupid IMHO. If the entire CPU (all CCDs) were equally binned and using cache, with core parking disabled that might be a real hell-raiser CPU. Having only one CCD on cache is a turn-off because it relies on drivers and software to function properly, and expecting it to function properly 100% of the time is probably unrealistic. Having to use a POS OS like Winduhz 11 with special patches and software in order to enable the functionality kills the idea instantly for me.

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

boom. snagged one 8 minutes in at 4% above MSRP. can totally live with that 😄 could be here by end of this week! w00t w00t!

 

edit: LOL damn i think i was lucky / fast this time around. the shop i got it from was sold out inside of 3 minutes 😄 

 

edit2: no wait, they just got in more supply. enjoy the race, folks! 😄 

 

edit3: aaand theyre gone again....total 7 minutes in stock lulz

 

edit4: aaaand another supply drip just in. ok, enough with these edits!

 

anyone else here on the hunt?

I’n glad you were able to get one! That’s good that they sold out to actual people probably. What CPU are you using now? I considered building with one of these. I think it’s probably one of the most anticipated CPU’s right now, to me at least. It has the 9800X3D gaming power, and the 9950X beastly multithreaded power all in one. I’m glad AMD took their time releasing it, because I think they had some stability issues with the 7950X3D originally with memory, long training times etc, and just random instability. 

[win32asmguy]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The X3D processors are of no special value outside of gaming, but they are the undisputed king in that area.

Everyone else is better served with an ordinary CPU with core parking disabled.

 

If they are cherry-picking binned silicon for the 9950X3D that might interest me, but we haven't seen enough of them in the wild to know if they overclock significantly higher than non-3D 99550X. If they can do 6.0GHz or higher on all 16 cores that would impress me enough to buy one. Not sure why they did not use 3D cache on both CCDs. That might have been more interesting. Relying on a crap OS like Winduhz 11 to identify the game and manage the CPU behavior is stupid IMHO. If the entire CPU (all CCDs) were equally binned and using cache, with core parking disabled that might be a real hell-raiser CPU. Having only one CCD on cache is a turn-off because it relies on drivers and software to function properly, and expecting it to function properly 100% of the time is probably unrealistic. Having to use a POS OS like Winduhz 11 with special patches and software in order to enable the functionality kills the idea instantly for me.

 

Gaming is one of the reasons.

 

I think the 9950X3D has the non X3D cores so they can hit higher frequencies. I am not sure how high the 9800X3D clocks on air or water but it seemed like it was still less than a 9950X.

 

Even the Xeon needs process lasso to work correctly. If I launch any single core benchmark it runs on any core and not the one clocked the highest or starred in XTU.

 

It would be nice if they released a 9950X special edition with both CCDs a very high bin.

[tps3443]

I GOT IT!!!! RTX 5090FE on the way! Man, the support of this community and trust of this forum and also overclock.net is pure astounding. I was able to get the funds together and secure my order for a 5090FE at $1,999. 
 

Paying more than $1,999 is too much for me. This is very reasonable. Looking back now, I originally had a budget of $2,800 range. Anyways, 

 

I think Nvidia saw how much I was hating on them, and they sent the email to see if I’d still bend over for them 😂 (I did of course) 

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Congrats, brother. Super happy you got what you wanted. I love when that happens.

Nope. No interest in 5090 now, and especially not  an FE engineering abortion. Plus, I don't want to reward NVIDIA for being a scummy outfit.

 

You honestly don't need one. Save your money for something better later on. Minus DLSS 4 and extra fake frames it produces it's not a meaningful upgrade to 4090. If you take those things away it's not that much of an upgrade, even though the ginormous price tag suggests otherwise.

The X3D processors are of no special value outside of gaming, but they are the undisputed king in that area.

Everyone else is better served with an ordinary CPU with core parking disabled.

 

If they are cherry-picking binned silicon for the 9950X3D that might interest me, but we haven't seen enough of them in the wild to know if they overclock significantly higher than non-3D 99550X. If they can do 6.0GHz or higher on all 16 cores that would impress me enough to buy one. Not sure why they did not use 3D cache on both CCDs. That might have been more interesting. Relying on a crap OS like Winduhz 11 to identify the game and manage the CPU behavior is stupid IMHO. If the entire CPU (all CCDs) were equally binned and using cache, with core parking disabled that might be a real hell-raiser CPU. Having only one CCD on cache is a turn-off because it relies on drivers and software to function properly, and expecting it to function properly 100% of the time is probably unrealistic. Having to use a POS OS like Winduhz 11 with special patches and software in order to enable the functionality kills the idea instantly for me.

 

snatched a second one at MSRP and cancelled the first one, 30 bucks saved! 😄😄😄

 

i was actually thinking of you bro Fox when reading through the 9950X3D reviews. its regularly beating the 9950X at the same power budget, it seems they kept all the high bin chiplets for this sku (both X3D and non-X3D chiplets). the X3D clocks up to 5.55, with the non-X3D going to 5.7. funny enough, at the stock power budget of 200W the all core clocks 100-150 Mhz higher than the regular 9950X, pointing to improved V/F curves.

 

so the X3D part MIGHT actually overclock better. wanna give it a shot? 😏😁

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Anyone want a 5090FE? I got a priority access purchase link from Nvidia. I don’t have the funds to use it! lol. 😂 

 

I may try to throw the funds together. 😬 it’s gonna be a hard PUSH to get it done. 

 

isd12

 

Congrats bro! I also saw your other post on the OC forums, awesome fast sale on the 4090!  You always have good energy and positivity so well deserved!

 

For me, the 5090 FE is the way to go and is MSRP or a rare gigabyte/pny model.

 

So far, you, @win32asmguy and @Talon have scored 5090s in our cozy little thread.

 

Interestingly, I had a chance to get a TUF 5090 yesterday. My local MC had two in stock (one normal, one OC) and my boy called me up and told me he was in store with his girlfriend and could pick up both and did I want one of them as his gf could just buy it. I asked which one he was getting and he said the non OC. The OC is $2999.99 + tax = ~$3200. I told him thanks but that's a hard pass but I'll be over to play with his non OC when I get a chance till a properly priced 5090 passes my way. I literally told him, "offer it to tom. He wants one price is no object." He texted me back a few minutes later saying of course tom freaked out with 10 capitalized "YES!!!" in his message. 🤣

 

I just can't stomach that kind of price. At that price point, I might as well get an Astral and go full hog.....

 

2 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I thought about trying a 9950X3D.

 

Between the increased latency of the registered memory, limit of around 5.2ghz on air for the 2495x, and the fact that some of my encoding jobs do not scale above 8 cores I was thinking about trying a 9950X3D instead. It would probably be a better chip for WoW given what @electrosoft mentioned with his 9800X3D the other day. Honestly even the tuned Raider 18 felt smoother in WoW with the 7945HX3D paired with the 4090m.

 

Right now is not a great time to build anything though as I am traveling for the next couple of weeks..

 

Yeah, the 9800X3D tuned w/ the 5080 I can finally hit some spots where I'm brushing up against 99% GPU utilization in spots the 14900KS was not.

 

One spot is the theatre weekly outside of Dorngal. With the 14900KS at 4k Ultra 10 RT max it routinely sat in the mid to high 80's but yesterday was my first time doing it with the 9800X3D setup and to see my 5080 being pushed to 97-99% even with all that player data (server reset day = busy) was great to see.

 

Cleared the first four raid bosses and while I do run into pockets here and there with sub 99% GPU utilization, the 9800X3D is definitely pushing the 5080 harder and I spent more times than the 14900KS in pockets of 99% utilization.

 

And like I said before, using the Raider and the new BIOS stock on the road w/ a clean install WoW and FO76 ran fantastic especially FO76 which loves that X3D. 6 hour session and me looking over to my wife with a head nod and going, "this thing is solid"

 

Even pushed to ~99%, my fps were ~66-70 over there showing a 5090 would definitely help my fps.

 

With W11 especially, AMD and M$ finally have their core parking pretty tight for gaming and most tests are showing the 9950X3D / 7950X3D properly parks the cores when gaming at all times now. I noticed this last year with my MSI x670e Carbon / 7950X3D that you really no longer needed PL or to just turn off the non X3D CCD in BIOS to play WoW properly anymore. It worked as intended.

 

As much fun as those HEDT chips are, they're no match for AMD, a properly tuned 13th/14th gen i9  or even a properly tuned Ultra 285k for gaming.

 

 

 

[tps3443]

13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Congrats bro! I also saw your other post on the OC forums, awesome fast sale on the 4090!  You always have good energy and positivity so well deserved!

 

For me, the 5090 FE is the way to go and is MSRP or a rare gigabyte/pny model.

 

So far, you, @win32asmguy and @Talon have scored 5090s in our cozy little thread.

 

Interestingly, I had a chance to get a TUF 5090 yesterday. My local MC had two in stock (one normal, one OC) and my boy called me up and told me he was in store with his girlfriend and could pick up both and did I want one of them as his gf could just buy it. I asked which one he was getting and he said the non OC. The OC is $2999.99 + tax = ~$3200. I told him thanks but that's a hard pass but I'll be over to play with his non OC when I get a chance till a properly priced 5090 passes my way. I literally told him, "offer it to tom. He wants one price is no object." He texted me back a few minutes later saying of course tom freaked out with 10 capitalized "YES!!!" in his message. 🤣

 

I just can't stomach that kind of price. At that price point, I might as well get an Astral and go full hog.....

I was totally done with even wanting a RTX 5090 all together. Then this email rolls through. 
 

Im shocked they picked me. Anyways, $1,999 seems right for sure. These $3,000+ prices are just way too much money. So I agree with that 100%. The AIB companies need to ease up on the MSRP’s. 
 

I always thought of AIB cards as +$50 to +$250 more over the FE model at most. And looking at it today they are becoming the scalpers. Nvidia didn’t increase the price of the 5090FE. So I don’t understand why the AIB’s all increased the price before tariffs even hit. Makes me think it’s all fake and purely for profits and more money. 
 

 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

boom. snagged one 8 minutes in at 4% above MSRP. can totally live with that 😄 could be here by end of this week! w00t w00t!

 

edit: LOL damn i think i was lucky / fast this time around. the shop i got it from was sold out inside of 3 minutes 😄 

 

edit2: no wait, they just got in more supply. enjoy the race, folks! 😄 

 

edit3: aaand theyre gone again....total 7 minutes in stock lulz

 

edit4: aaaand another supply drip just in. ok, enough with these edits!

 

anyone else here on the hunt?

 

Nice! Congratz bro!

 

I may grab one down the road, but for my use case I'm not seeing as reason atm. 2200/6400 tuned.

 

The reviews show AMD having worked out most of the bugs and kinks of the 7000 series (which also translated down to it too).

 

Imagine when you pair a 5090 with it. 🙂

 

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Congrats, brother. Super happy you got what you wanted. I love when that happens.

Nope. No interest in 5090 now, and especially not  an FE engineering abortion. Plus, I don't want to reward NVIDIA for being a scummy outfit.

 

You honestly don't need one. Save your money for something better later on. Minus DLSS 4 and extra fake frames it produces it's not a meaningful upgrade to 4090. If you take those things away it's not that much of an upgrade, even though the ginormous price tag suggests otherwise.

The X3D processors are of no special value outside of gaming, but they are the undisputed king in that area.

Everyone else is better served with an ordinary CPU with core parking disabled.

 

If they are cherry-picking binned silicon for the 9950X3D that might interest me, but we haven't seen enough of them in the wild to know if they overclock significantly higher than non-3D 99550X. If they can do 6.0GHz or higher on all 16 cores that would impress me enough to buy one. Not sure why they did not use 3D cache on both CCDs. That might have been more interesting. Relying on a crap OS like Winduhz 11 to identify the game and manage the CPU behavior is stupid IMHO. If the entire CPU (all CCDs) were equally binned and using cache, with core parking disabled that might be a real hell-raiser CPU. Having only one CCD on cache is a turn-off because it relies on drivers and software to function properly, and expecting it to function properly 100% of the time is probably unrealistic. Having to use a POS OS like Winduhz 11 with special patches and software in order to enable the functionality kills the idea instantly for me.

 

I love the 5000 FE series. Elegant looking and compact. EK does have a WB for it. De8auer's is still in prototype/testing phase but the GPU is clearly meant to be run as is. I love the aesthetics of it and how it looks in the case. 🙂

 

But if I'm going to block it anyhow? I would look elsewhere. Gigabyte with a position on the board for a secondary power connector is intriguing. Trying to import a HOF 5090D if possible. In the end, I'd grab the cheapest 5090 with the block I want and call it a wrap.

---

The one good thing about the 9950X3D is moving that 3D vcache under the CCD and pushing proper clocks to it now out of the box. Reviews stock for stock show it neck and neck with the 9950x losing a few and winning a few for non gaming purposes.

 

Early reviews it is hard to determine bin quality, so best to wait till more samples trickle in before dropping $700+tax but everything is looking good so far.

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I’n glad you were able to get one! That’s good that they sold out to actual people probably. What CPU are you using now? I considered building with one of these. I think it’s probably one of the most anticipated CPU’s right now, to me at least. It has the 9800X3D gaming power, and the 9950X beastly multithreaded power all in one. I’m glad AMD took their time releasing it, because I think they had some stability issues with the 7950X3D originally with memory, long training times etc, and just random instability. 

 

 

9950X3D is a no compromises CPU now. You get proper gaming and 16 core magic but in all honesty, AMD has ironed out their core priority issues for some time now so even 7950X3D works as intended.

 

9950X3D clocks higher out of the box than the 9800X3D and the first thing I would do with one is turn off the non X3D CCD and see where the X3D CCD can go on its own as is like I did with the 7950X3D.

 

Your incoming 5090 is going to be tapping its foot waiting on your current setup in many situations now even moreso than your 4090 did.

 

6 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I was totally done with even wanting a RTX 5090 all together. Then this email rolls through. 
 

Im shocked they picked me. Anyways, $1,999 seems right for sure. These $3,000+ prices are just way too much money. So I agree with that 100%. The AIB companies need to ease up on the MSRP’s. 
 

I always thought of AIB cards as +$50 to +$250 more over the FE model at most. And looking at it today they are becoming the scalpers. Nvidia didn’t increase the price of the 5090FE. So I don’t understand why the AIB’s all increased the price before tariffs even hit. Makes me think it’s all fake and purely for profits and more money. 
 

 

 

Yep, the 5090 FE to me is the sweet spot because the odds of landing a $2k Gigabyte or PNY are slim to none. The AIB pricing is just crazy now.

 

To me, the 5090 is a, "in for a penny, in for a pound" scenario. Either an FE or something like an Astral if you're going to go that HAM over it.

 

And yep, AIBs are in it for maximum profit and while tariffs are valid you have to look at it from a few angles.

 

How much is Nvidia charging AIBs?

How much is Nvidia's actual cost per chip/mem?

 

If Nvidia is able to sustain pricing even as costs/tariffs kick in, that means their margins must be good enough and they are actually raking AIBs across the coals leaving them with hardly any room which has been reported before.

 

This doesn't absolve AIBs for being opportunists and jacking up the prices especially with such demand.

 

Either way congrats bro on a 5090 AND MSRP!

 

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I always thought of AIB cards as +$50 to +$250 more over the FE model at most. And looking at it today they are becoming the scalpers. Nvidia didn’t increase the price of the 5090FE. So I don’t understand why the AIB’s all increased the price before tariffs even hit. Makes me think it’s all fake and purely for profits and more money. 

 

And it will  be even more expensive. And what  will happen when Trump also push tax tariffs over on the next location for HW manufacturers factories? China ain't the only place on the globe getting nice tax gifts from Trump. EU, in short all places get same treatments. Same will happen all over also in Asia countries where they moved away from China. Even Taiwan risk 100% tax tariffs. 

 

Higher prices is doomed to stay forwards. And that before the scalper taxes come on top. 

Asus anticipates price increases as it shifts production from China

 

And congrats bro on the 5090 🙂 Very few contries get same treatment from Nvidia. US may get closer to what Nviidia will offer in China. Aka cards people can buy.

 

It seems Nvidia have a lot 5090 FE cards to offer. I wonder how many chips nvidia keep for themself for the prioritized queue. Why bother with their own AIB partners ? 

 

 

LOOL... 

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5050 may feature faster VRAM on laptops than on desktops

[saturnotaku]

I signed up for the NVIDIA waitlist for the lulz. Not expecting anything to come of it, but since that's the case, I'll probably end actually securing one.

[tps3443]

49 minutes ago, saturnotaku said:

I signed up for the NVIDIA waitlist for the lulz. Not expecting anything to come of it, but since that's the case, I'll probably end actually securing one.

I also sent a reply to their automated email response after signing up in February. The one that says. “You have been signed up for 50 series notification etc” 

 

I replied the same day to that email, and said “I am a real gamer, I own a 4090 and need a 5090FE thank you” they sent me a direct buy link on 3/11. 
 

So something to try just saying lol. 

[jaybee83]

aaaand managed to place a third order, now 25 bucks BELOW MSRP! this is a good day 😁😎

 

Nvidia, take notes: THIS is how u do supply and sales!!!

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

aaaand managed to place a third order, now 25 bucks BELOW MSRP! this is a good day 😁😎

 

Nvidia, take notes: THIS is how u do supply and sales!!!

I think the biggest issue with the 5090 is AIB’s bought up all of the cores, and they are milking them out at a min inflated MSRP, and then Nvidia is pushing the business to business sales at a massive level beyond MSRP, this is because we are in a AI boom. Microsoft CoPilot, Deepseek, etc, all these companies want Nvidia GPU’s. This leaves a tiny piece for the gamer to buy an GPU from available inventory, and then scalpers take of 98% of that already small pie. So Nvidia inventory is primarily ruined from scalpers I think. 

[Reciever]

I think I'll just sit pretty with my 5800X3D and 7900 XTX. 

 

If anything if I were to pour money into this hobby on the gaming side I'll probably get that ElmorLabs EVC2SE, waterblock and vBIOS to see if I could daily 600w on the Red Devil 7900 XTX. 

 

recently picked up some PTM7950 to see how well it reduces the hotspot temps, might do that this weekend.

 

Also repurposed the 10850K to be my unraid server :)

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I was totally done with even wanting a RTX 5090 all together. Then this email rolls through. 
 

Im shocked they picked me. Anyways, $1,999 seems right for sure. These $3,000+ prices are just way too much money. So I agree with that 100%. The AIB companies need to ease up on the MSRP’s. 
 

I always thought of AIB cards as +$50 to +$250 more over the FE model at most. And looking at it today they are becoming the scalpers. Nvidia didn’t increase the price of the 5090FE. So I don’t understand why the AIB’s all increased the price before tariffs even hit. Makes me think it’s all fake and purely for profits and more money. 
 

 

That's great and I am very happy that you got what you wanted at a price that isn't off the rails insane. While it is not a "bargain" at that price, I also know that $2,000 is not out of scope for what we paid for 3090 KPE. The only difference is, this being an FE model, there is nothing special about it in terms of overclocking, voltage controls, etc. If decent (better than normal) AIB cards ever sell for that price I might pause to consider it.

6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

snatched a second one at MSRP and cancelled the first one, 30 bucks saved! 😄😄😄

 

i was actually thinking of you bro Fox when reading through the 9950X3D reviews. its regularly beating the 9950X at the same power budget, it seems they kept all the high bin chiplets for this sku (both X3D and non-X3D chiplets). the X3D clocks up to 5.55, with the non-X3D going to 5.7. funny enough, at the stock power budget of 200W the all core clocks 100-150 Mhz higher than the regular 9950X, pointing to improved V/F curves.

 

so the X3D part MIGHT actually overclock better. wanna give it a shot? 😏😁

Fantastic. Super happy for you, bro. I will be looking forward to seeing your max stable overclock and benchmark scores in things such as Cinebench and 3DMark Physics and Combined tests and then decide if I want one. If it deliver $200 worth of improved performance and overclocking capacity than my non-X3D CPU then I will definitely want one.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

And it will  be even more expensive. And what  will happen when Trump also push tax tariffs over on the next location for HW manufacturers factories? China ain't the only place on the globe getting nice tax gifts from Trump. EU, in short all places get same treatments. Same will happen all over also in Asia countries where they moved away from China. Even Taiwan risk 100% tax tariffs. 

 

Higher prices is doomed to stay forwards. And that before the scalper taxes come on top. 

Asus anticipates price increases as it shifts production from China

 

And congrats bro on the 5090 🙂 Very few contries get same treatment from Nvidia. US may get closer to what Nviidia will offer in China. Aka cards people can buy.

 

It seems Nvidia have a lot 5090 FE cards to offer. I wonder how many chips nvidia keep for themself for the prioritized queue. Why bother with their own AIB partners ? 

 

 

LOOL... 

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 5050 may feature faster VRAM on laptops than on desktops

Well, if you want an omelet you have to crack some eggs. I think the things he is doing are very good, very necessary and very right. He is almost always right about everything and the vast majority of Americans agree that what is taking place now with DOGE and snuffing out government waste and fraud, balancing trade with other nations so it is benefits us equally or more,  is ruffling the feathers of those that didn't want their scams and crimes exposed. I am very happy about all the things that are taking place and wish they would have taken place 20 years ago and carried through to now. It's going to be harder to manipulate China now than it would have been when they were an economic dumpster, and the longer we maintain status quo the harder it will be to bring them down. It's our fault things are what they are and it's time to correct the mistakes of those that made China a relevant nation to the rest of the world.

 

Regulators, elected and appointed public servants need to be held accountable, prosecuted and incarcerated for their crimes against the people that pay their salaries. And, as far as China (or any other nation, whether friend or foe,)  goes, it needs to be America first, allies second, enemies nothing. Our government set the mess into motion with China and helped elevate them from a third-world slum nation and our government needs to undo whatever they can. We need to stop caring about whether something helps or harms our enemies and focus on what is best for #1 (us) and #2 (those we trust and are aligned with). Whatever happens to China... que sera sera. Not our problem. If I have to pay more for the crap they produce, including electronics, or not even allow them to export those to us even with tariffs, in order to make that happen, I'm good with that.

[jaybee83]

29 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I think I'll just sit pretty with my 5800X3D and 7900 XTX. 

 

If anything if I were to pour money into this hobby on the gaming side I'll probably get that ElmorLabs EVC2SE, waterblock and vBIOS to see if I could daily 600w on the Red Devil 7900 XTX. 

 

recently picked up some PTM7950 to see how well it reduces the hotspot temps, might do that this weekend.

 

Also repurposed the 10850K to be my unraid server 🙂

 

please do keep us posted with 600W+ 7900XTX results and how the PTM7950 is treating ya, very curious on those results! 🙂 

[Mr. Fox]

On 3/10/2025 at 6:43 AM, Mr. Fox said:

So, I have finally outgrown my dual 1440p 165Hz Predator displays. They have been outstanding monitors, just not enough screen real estate for the amount of time I spend in Excel and PowerBI every day. Found this awesome deal ($100 off sale) and grabbed two. They are the same size and will fit on my dual monitor stand just fine.

 

https://www.newegg.com/acer-xv273k-v3bmiiprx-27-uhd-160-hz-nitro-ips-black/p/N82E16824011500

 

I received these and got them set up on my work rig. Just... wow... much better display quality than my older ASUS 4K 120Hz display, and these actually even look nicer when turned off. The ASUS screen has a wide bezel and ugly chassis with absurd RGB garbage on the back and a chintzy snap on plastic panel that makes accessing the connections inconvenient. I have never been overly thrilled with how it looks sitting on my desk. (Typical tacky-looking ASUS aesthetics.) And, I don't like that is uses a power brick like a turdbook. That is the only monitor I have owned that is made that way and it sucks.

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Speaking of my work computer, it started having problems and ruined my day yesterday. I finally gave up and used my Ryzen build to finish working. It was randomly locking up and Explorer.exe was crashing and restarting randomly. Of course the first rule when you have a computer or cell phone issue is to reboot. That's when things got really bad. It would power on, everything would light up and the fans were spinning, but it would not complete POST. It was getting stuck on the white debug LED (display connection) and not progressing, so I could not access the BIOS or anything. If I waited for like a half hour it would eventually boot up, but Windoze 10 was still behaving very badly. I was really worried that the Edge mobo had failed, the 3090 Ti was failing, or something similarly undesirable.

 

After work I tried swapping the RAM, tried a different GPU and nothing helped. So, I moved on to testing other things. Next step was disconnecting all four of my SATA drives and *BOOM* instantly functioned flawlessly. I started reconnecting them individually and got to the third one in the stack and instant chaos ensued. So, I replaced that 1TB SSD with a spare I had in an external USB enclosure. It's back to the flawless operation I have always appreciated it for. Now I need to see  if the SSD that died is still in warranty and get it swapped out. I am so relieved it was a SATA SSD. Not a big deal, other than the inconvenience and anxiety that it caused before I found the problem.

 

To make me even happier, it turns out that it was the Winduhz 11 drive that I haven't booted into for probably 90 days. I did not lose any important files for work, and it was the ideal drive to have failed if one was going to because I just don't care about Winduhz 11 enough for it to matter.

  

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

I think I'll just sit pretty with my 5800X3D and 7900 XTX. 

 

If anything if I were to pour money into this hobby on the gaming side I'll probably get that ElmorLabs EVC2SE, waterblock and vBIOS to see if I could daily 600w on the Red Devil 7900 XTX. 

 

recently picked up some PTM7950 to see how well it reduces the hotspot temps, might do that this weekend.

 

Also repurposed the 10850K to be my unraid server 🙂

I am looking forward to your report on how well that worked. PTM7950 is perfect for GPUs.

  

10 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Gaming is one of the reasons.

 

I think the 9950X3D has the non X3D cores so they can hit higher frequencies. I am not sure how high the 9800X3D clocks on air or water but it seemed like it was still less than a 9950X.

 

Even the Xeon needs process lasso to work correctly. If I launch any single core benchmark it runs on any core and not the one clocked the highest or starred in XTU.

 

It would be nice if they released a 9950X special edition with both CCDs a very high bin.

I disable core parking on everything as part of my Windows setup ritual, whether it needs it or not. I also disable power saving features in the BIOS and in Windows. I want everything running full blast at all times. 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

I think I'll just sit pretty with my 5800X3D and 7900 XTX. 

 

If anything if I were to pour money into this hobby on the gaming side I'll probably get that ElmorLabs EVC2SE, waterblock and vBIOS to see if I could daily 600w on the Red Devil 7900 XTX. 

 

recently picked up some PTM7950 to see how well it reduces the hotspot temps, might do that this weekend.

 

Also repurposed the 10850K to be my unraid server 🙂

 

7900xtx is still a beast, period.

 

Still trading blows with the 4080 and 5080 in raster and the 9070xt at best can match it but usually loses in raster plus you get 24GB.

 

Blocking and pushing 600w? Definitely let's see those results. 🙂

 

 

 

[tps3443]

Using my laptop unplugged right now. And you can squeeze some good BATTERY life on these things. I am at 74% battery, with estimated 3 hours and 45 minutes usage left. I set my unplugged max CPU usage to 99%, and doing so prevents the CPU from doing all that crazy turbo high frequency boosting it does normally. I cannot undervolt it, so doing this automatically undervolts it due to lower max clock speed. I have the RTX4090 turned on Auto, so it uses Optimus and runs on the iGPU built into the 14900HX. Open a game and the RTX 4090 kicks in automatically.

So, Its actually very useable as a machine on battery only. This was one thing that my Clevo 15" with Intel i7 8086K+GTX1080 was NOT capable of whatsoever. It was always a dog that sucked a battery terribly. 

I know people pick on these BGA machines, but heres the thing. While older laptops use to be really cool. Desktop CPU's, and MXM higher power level GPU's. When I got my Clevo 15" it was a mere 1080P 120HZ panel, and that thing would get murdered in demanding games like RDR2 and other titles. This was in 2018 era only 1 year and 8 months after the GTX1080 desktop was launched. And my prior GTX1080 MXM was comparable to GTX1080 Desktop class GPU's with the 255 watt bios flashed on to it. Well, my current RTX 4090 laptop is not even a RTX4080 desktop equivalent, It is over 2 years old now since the launch of 4090 Mobile, and it absolutely smashes any game today at a higher resolution. So, while laptops have gone more in the direction of BGA, they are also extremely fast and much more useable as actual gaming machines today, than any prior DTR gaming laptop has EVER BEEN before!

I hate to say it, but DANG! This Predator 18 Helios is a beast. The 4090 mobile with DLSS+ Frame Gen on 2560x1600 is literally overkill lol. The CPU is just as much overkill. It’s all BGA, and very good piece of equipment I think. I feel like the older real DTR laptops were so cool that they had real desktop chips etc.. But dang, when real world performance is this much better, lasting this much longer, I don’t think it matters. 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

7900xtx is still a beast, period.

 

Still trading blows with the 4080 and 5080 in raster and the 9070xt at best can match it but usually loses in raster plus you get 24GB.

 

Blocking and pushing 600w? Definitely let's see those results. 🙂

 

 

 

 

It would certainly be more interesting for me. Most of my finances have been tied up rebuilding my pseudo server rack but more importantly adding 4x 12TB drives and moving my data around + 10Gbps networking. Though I can only seem to hit around 6.1-6.5Gbps, using an NVME to PCIE adapter + ribbon extension likely the culprit, I can live on 6Gbps for Unraid OS. Its been my outlet of late while the GPU hellscape seems to endure for a while.

 

Most of the expenses for going water for me likely would be the rad and fans, I use a Window AC unit which keeps temps really low, around 55c @ 430w so perhaps initial testing may not dictate going water immediately. In which case its probably around 50 bucks.

[Mr. Fox]

We didn't need anybody to tell us Winduhz 11 is a piece of crap because we already knew, but it's nice to have confirmation of the agreement of people that have the ability to influence the easily misled people in the right direction. 

 

Such a sucky OS. The fact that Windows 10 is EOL later this year doesn't phase me at all. I don't need their support. Just as I did not need their support for Windows 7. Let's hope they don't bend us over and nail us in the hind end with a lack of driver support. 

 

Windows 10 matches or beats Winduhz 11 at everything. Winduhz 11 is the loser OS, literally and figuratively.

 

 

[Papusan]

 

Sad seeing Intel go for a bean counter. This doesn't bode well... Intel hires former board member as new CEO  

 

Intel CEO’s Finance Background Might Be Behind 11% Share Price Jump Following Announcement

 

Like his predecessor, Lip-Bu has extensive experience in the semiconductor industry. An MIT graduate, the new Intel CEO also has a background in finance through having worked at an investment and venture capital firms.

[Mr. Fox]

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29439921/

 

Pre-Ordered mine at NewEgg

Link

 

I just received my second 9950X today. I will compare bin/VF/SP rating to the one I have now and use the better of the two in the Apex. The X870E Apex will go into the case the X670E Gene is occupying now. I will use the Gene for in a SFF case like the Z790i Edge is in now, with the 9070 XT as the GPU. Will likely buy another A21 case for that. (Perfect ITX/mATX case IMHO.) Then I will sell the Z90i Edge A21 build with EK Direct Die AIO and the 3090 Ti or 1080 (buyer's choice, latter obviously less expensive) as a complete ready to run system. Or, maybe I will sell the Z790 Apex build complete with the external cooling chilled water package. Or, maybe I won't. Decisions, decisions.

 

I think I am the third owner on the Z790i Edge that I bought from @electrosoft and that is one mighty little mobo.

 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Using my laptop unplugged right now. And you can squeeze some good BATTERY life on these things. I am at 74% battery, with estimated 3 hours and 45 minutes usage left. I set my unplugged max CPU usage to 99%, and doing so prevents the CPU from doing all that crazy turbo high frequency boosting it does normally. I cannot undervolt it, so doing this automatically undervolts it due to lower max clock speed. I have the RTX4090 turned on Auto, so it uses Optimus and runs on the iGPU built into the 14900HX. Open a game and the RTX 4090 kicks in automatically.

So, Its actually very useable as a machine on battery only. This was one thing that my Clevo 15" with Intel i7 8086K+GTX1080 was NOT capable of whatsoever. It was always a dog that sucked a battery terribly. 

I know people pick on these BGA machines, but heres the thing. While older laptops use to be really cool. Desktop CPU's, and MXM higher power level GPU's. When I got my Clevo 15" it was a mere 1080P 120HZ panel, and that thing would get murdered in demanding games like RDR2 and other titles. This was in 2018 era only 1 year and 8 months after the GTX1080 desktop was launched. And my prior GTX1080 MXM was comparable to GTX1080 Desktop class GPU's with the 255 watt bios flashed on to it. Well, my current RTX 4090 laptop is not even a RTX4080 desktop equivalent, It is over 2 years old now since the launch of 4090 Mobile, and it absolutely smashes any game today at a higher resolution. So, while laptops have gone more in the direction of BGA, they are also extremely fast and much more useable as actual gaming machines today, than any prior DTR gaming laptop has EVER BEEN before!

I hate to say it, but DANG! This Predator 18 Helios is a beast. The 4090 mobile with DLSS+ Frame Gen on 2560x1600 is literally overkill lol. The CPU is just as much overkill. It’s all BGA, and very good piece of equipment I think. I feel like the older real DTR laptops were so cool that they had real desktop chips etc.. But dang, when real world performance is much better, I don’t think it matters. 

 

Starting with the 12900HX, Intel basically started dropping desktop equivalents into their laptops. Same with AMD and the 7945HX. They're just binned for lower all core frequencies and power for the most part. They then wrap that around mobile focused chipsets.

 

GPU wise, the node shrink for Nvidia let them finally offer a meaningful upgrade with the 4080 and 4090 mobile but basically using the same node for the 5000 series and jamming more power requirements into their desktop cards means 5080 and especially 5090 mobile aren't going to see that nice uplift like from the 3080ti->4090 mobile.

 

And yeah, for QHD, the laptops can get the job done big time. Go with a 1080p 18" panel and they absolutely scream.

 

Watching people absolutely massacre MSI on facebook with their ads for their upcoming MSI Titan starting at "only" $5999.99 or 5799.99 for the Ultra variant....

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29439921/

 

Pre-Ordered mine at NewEgg

Link

 

I just received my second 9950X today. I will compare bin/VF/SP rating to the one I have now and use the better of the two in the Apex. The X870E Apex will go into the case the X670E Gene is occupying now. I will use the Gene for in a SFF case like the Z790i Edge is in now, with the 9070 XT as the GPU. Will likely buy another A21 case for that. (Perfect ITX/mATX case IMHO.) Then I will sell the Z90i Edge A21 build with EK Direct Die AIO and the 3090 Ti or 1080 (buyer's choice, latter obviously less expensive) as a complete ready to run system. Or, maybe I will sell the Z790 Apex build complete with the external cooling chilled water package. Or, maybe I won't. Decisions, decisions.

 

I think I am the third owner on the Z790i Edge that I bought from @electrosoft and that is one mighty little mobo.

 

 

Such a great board! No problems running 8000+ and tuning my SP113 13900KS right out of the box.