*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

And, 5090 should be $2000 or less for standard AIB and $1500-$1800 for FE, and $2200-$2400 for the top tier enthusiast GPUs. But it's not. It's more grossly overpriced and a poorer value than anything else. It further compounds the problem that performance doesn't scale in measure equal to or greater than the price gap compared to anything else.

 

I think the difference here is the price for NVIDIA's best GPU is truly stupifying and requires a disconnect from logic. AMD's best, while not nearly as good, is as good as it needs to be for most people, and it doesn't require checking your brain at the door or dumping as much money as a month's take-home wages for many of the people that would buy it, or do buy it (but shouldn't) using credit and end up paying an even more ungodly sum with interest tacked onto their purchase. Most people can find a way to purchase a 9070 XT without sacrificing the soul of their firstborn, selling internal organs or having to be checked for STDs afterward.

 

Everything is overpriced, a poor value, and nothing is actually worth the sticker price. Price gouging and scalping just adds insult to injury. The hate against NVIDIA is not only real, but earned and deserved. AMD is just being scummy and opportunistically doing what NVIDIA's actions allow them to get away with. NVIDIA calls all of the shots for everyone, but doesn't care about anyone that their actions affect. It seems like lately NVIDIA doesn't even care about their own reputation, the quality of their overpriced products, or the quality of their product support.

 

I guess it comes down to perspective as the market will ultimately determine how much any given product is. The price hikes are insane from start. Throw in demand, price increases, AIB greed, external market forces now in play along with AI demand now pulling at both the 4090 and 5090 market and...well....here we are.

 

I really think AMD is making a lot of inroads against Nvidia in the gamer/home market that Nvidia will regret later. The lower and mid has always been the biggest slice of the pie and AMD already owns the PS and Xbox along with steam decks. They keep pecking away until they break through. None of us thought AMD would dominate CPU sales but a few slips from Intel along with bad press and disgruntled users and here we are.

 

Thinking back, it all started with them extending Skylake++++ from 6th->10th then landing the dud 11th (personally, I liked my Frankencpu). That really started to turn the tide for AMD on many smaller levels especially with the 5800X3D.

 

12th was Intel's welcome back party vanquishing the 5800X3D, then Intel snatched back AVX512, then we were right back to the furnaces aka 13th-14th along with all their problems while AMD brought out AM5 and more X3D loving and better overall power draw then Intel dropped the quasi-dud 285k (aka tinkerer's delight) and now you have AMD basically dominating CPU sales everywhere.

 

The same can happen to Nvidia and mindshare / marketshare can slowly but surely shift.

 

5000 series is leaving many consumers disgruntled and the market Nvidia ignores or takes for granted today will turn their backs on them when they need them the most tomorrow.

 

With that being said, in the here and now the 5090 is the king just further extending its lead even more so over AMD and the 9070xt to mind boggling levels in some cases. My wife was right. You can't take it with you and I'm not going to spend two+ years looking forlornly through the sears roebuck glass window while the kids inside frolic happily amongst the toys when I can fully afford every toy in the store.

 

I'm going to take my lumps, sell off some other toys to establish tech budget parity and just enjoy it for a few years like I did with my MSI liquid 4090 and then sell it off when the 6090 drops and hopefully AMD will have the jump like they did with the 5700xt -> 6900xtx with the 9070xt -> ???? and maybe that will be the first true sign of Nvidia's slow fall.

 

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The only thing I can agree with from Nvidia and recommend about Nvidia is the 5090FE is legit, and they let me actually buy one and that’s about it. That’s some serious brain washing to be thankful to have a chance to buy one and not overpay to the AIB’s. It’s a great GPU though, we have a true 2080Ti sized GPU only with insane levels of power, which is really cool that we can fit this little 2 slot card in anything. 
 

Looking at the prices of hardware. CPU’s/Memory/SSD’s/PSU’s/Cases. It seems like everything cost about the same except for GPU’s. It’s really odd! It really must just be the AI boom responsible for all of this? I don’t know. 
 

 

But you definitely don’t want to see MSI’s new prices for their 5090’s.. 😬 MSI wants to be like Asus now. 🥴

 

 

 

I absolutely love the 5090/5080 FE design. I love everything about it from the aesthetics to packing that much punch in a two slot design. Astral 5090 absolutely dwarfs my 5080 FE.

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I commented on that several messages back about how outside of the gross mark ups on GPUs followed by motherboards having really gone up in price over the last several generations, everything else is about par for the course and priced reasonable.

 

I remember when some were saying SSD prices were going to go through the roof last year and they went nowhere. DDR5 prices have fallen quite nicely.

 

We may look back at this exchange and sadly laugh in a few months, but for now yeah.

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I commented on MSI's prices a bit ago too when the new pricing went up on Microcenter's website. 

 

Ventus for $3k MSRP?

 

You coulda at least bought me dinner first.... 🤮

 

3 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m on an Escape from Tarkov kick lately, and the 5090 is a bit overkill here, but I bought the game for me and my son to play together. Everytime we kill someone in the game they’ll see: You were killed by “Luv-My-5090” or if my son takes them out, they’ll see: You were killed by “Luv-My-3090” 😂 

 

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Anyways, I can only image the Astral gives that extra added Cadillac experience for sure.  It better! 😁 

 

LOL, that's hilarious. 🤣

 

And yeah, for this price it needs to shine my shoes and clean my car.....

 

I still have almost two months to return it to BB. If an FE or unicorn Gigabyte/PNY $2200 5090 pops up, I will snag it and if it does an ok job return the Astral (or resell it if the market implodes in the next month wit tariffs and/or more AIB greed)

 

I'm just glad to see pre-builts and ludicrous combo deals ($6k lolz) no longer are being botted and the GPUs sold for ridiculous amounts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

helloooooooooooooooooooo 😎 card is at the shop, package prepared 😁

 

edit: aaaaaaaaand shipped! 🙂 5090 trainwreck, here i come 😄 

 

@Papusan any specific drivers ud recommend to minimize the damage? 😛 

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

helloooooooooooooooooooo 😎 card is at the shop, package prepared 😁

 

edit: aaaaaaaaand shipped! 🙂 5090 trainwreck, here i come 😄 

 

@Papusan any specific drivers ud recommend to minimize the damage? 😛 

Dang it’s a Suprim too right? Lucky! MSI has joined the ranks of glamorous price tags here in the US. Their laptops and GPU’s. 

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, Reciever said:

Found some now ancient but still NIB arctic accelero extreme 9800 coolers on performance pc's so naturally since they were 15 USD each I bought 2.

 

Any of you whose been around the block for some time, any recommendation for which GTX 9800 to seek out for benchmarking? 

That was too long ago for me to remember, LOL. Those were awesome air coolers though. I can't believe they were so inexpensive. Didn't they fit a whole bunch of GPUs or were they model-specific? I can vagely remember they were fairly universal because most GPUs had a common "reference" PCB design.

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

helloooooooooooooooooooo 😎 card is at the shop, package prepared 😁

 

edit: aaaaaaaaand shipped! 🙂 5090 trainwreck, here i come 😄 

 

@Papusan any specific drivers ud recommend to minimize the damage? 😛 

Congratulations, brother.

[jaybee83]

7 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Dang it’s a Suprim too right? Lucky! MSI has joined the ranks of glamorous price tags here in the US. Their laptops and GPU’s. 

welp that goes for 50 series in general, of course. but funny enough, the Suprim is actually in the mid range when it comes to 5090 pricing here in europe. gigabyte and asus are leading the pack, with pny/zotac/palit/gainward the "cheap" options. total range atm without tax is roughly 2620 USD on the low end up to 3490 USD (that would be the Astral LC bro @Papusan. Average pricing is currently around 2940 USD.

 

so basically i paid a pretty average 5090 price for the Suprim 😄 hilarious!

[Talon]

10 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Are you running a 5090 as well? Actually I think you got a TUF OC maybe.

 

I’m on an Escape from Tarkov kick lately, and the 5090 is a bit overkill here, but I bought the game for me and my son to play together. Everytime we kill someone in the game they’ll see: You were killed by “Luv-My-5090” or if my son takes them out, they’ll see: You were killed by “Luv-My-3090” 😂 

 

 

 

Anyways, I can only image the Astral gives that extra added Cadillac experience for sure.  It better! 😁 Not gonna lie, if I had the budget I’d probably have an Astral. But I’ve got to settle. I’m just glad I’m content. It’s definitely hard to find that with high end PC hardware, some parts are duds or just terrible, swapping same model for same other model is common in this hobby. So I’m glad I’m not chasing that. I remember the feeling when I bought that MSI 4080S Expert, I liked it, but didn’t love it. Wasn’t content with it. 🤣

 

Ya I got a TUF OC around the first round of price increases. But looking back, I got a bargain LOL. 

[tps3443]

What is everyone’s idle power consumption with their 5090’s? (All windows closed out except for GPUz sensors page opened) I’m seeing 12 TO 21 watts range steady so far. Seems really good to me. 
 

[electrosoft]

33 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

What is everyone’s idle power consumption with their 5090’s? (All windows closed out except for GPUz sensors page opened) I’m seeing 12 TO 21 watts range steady so far. Seems really good to me. 
 

 

I'm seeing 21-27w.....

 

 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

helloooooooooooooooooooo 😎 card is at the shop, package prepared 😁

 

edit: aaaaaaaaand shipped! 🙂 5090 trainwreck, here i come 😄 

 

@Papusan any specific drivers ud recommend to minimize the damage? 😛 

 

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Ya I got a TUF OC around the first round of price increases. But looking back, I got a bargain LOL. 

 

 

In an odd moment of uniqueness, everyone in this thread who has a 5090 has a different model lol.

 

Listed in order of acquisition:

 

@Talon = TUF OC 5090

@tps3443 = 5090 FE

@Papusan = Astral 5090 LC

@electrosoft = Astral 5090 Air

@jaybee83 = Suprim 5090

 

Did I miss anybody?

 

Maybe @johnksss will roll up with a Zotac....

 

 

[Papusan]

 

Gamers have waited long time to get newest gen graphics cards....  RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC only $3488.99

 

Retailer Stuns Gamer With A $1000 Price Hike On His GeForce RTX 5090 Preorder

Graphics cards are the most important and exciting part of a gaming PC. They're also the most expensive and getting even pricier, as gamers are quickly finding out. NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 is at the forefront of this discovery, as a buyer on Reddit recently experienced.

 

 

[electrosoft]

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Gamers have waited long time to get newest gen graphics cards....  RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC only $3488.99

 

Retailer Stuns Gamer With A $1000 Price Hike On His GeForce RTX 5090 Preorder

Graphics cards are the most important and exciting part of a gaming PC. They're also the most expensive and getting even pricier, as gamers are quickly finding out. NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 is at the forefront of this discovery, as a buyer on Reddit recently experienced.

 

 

 

MSI raised their prices but $~3500 for a gaming trio? CDW has deep roots into the supply chain and this is a pre-order that clearly isn't going to be honored considering they haven't even gotten a card yet.

 

MSI last raised the price to $3049.99, but if this is CDW getting wind of further price hikes with the new tariffs kicking in sooner than later, that is bad news.....

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

PNY prices on walmart (shipped and sold by walmart.com) just jumped drastically too.

 

Epic-X OC is now $3599.99 from ~$2999.99.

 

Zero recent updates on any VPA 5090 FEs going out and BB hasn't had 5090 FEs since about a week or so after VPA started via Nvidia.

 

5080s continue to rain down every day tripping stock watcher alarms all the time.

 

5090's go quiet for days on end and then a trickle comes out and then it goes quiet again.

 

China is not backing down (I never expected them too), and with threats of even higher tariffs in play things are going to get real messy real quick.

 

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

In an odd moment of uniqueness, everyone in this thread who has a 5090 has a different model lol.

 

Listed in order of acquisition:

 

@Talon = TUF OC 5090

@tps3443 = 5090 FE

@Papusan = Astral 5090 LC

@electrosoft = Astral 5090 Air

@jaybee83 = Suprim 5090

 

Did I miss anybody?

 

Maybe @johnksss will roll up with a Zotac....

 

I still have the 5090 gaming trio oc but have not used it for a month. I will probably just list it for sale soon as I don't have much time at home to use a desktop system. To be honest the sapphire rapids CPU isn't pairing very well with the card as WoW was mostly CPU limited.

[jaybee83]

25 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I still have the 5090 gaming trio oc but have not used it for a month. I will probably just list it for sale soon as I don't have much time at home to use a desktop system. To be honest the sapphire rapids CPU isn't pairing very well with the card as WoW was mostly CPU limited.

 

damn that sux, having such badass hardware at home but no time to use it...

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

PNY prices on walmart (shipped and sold by walmart.com) just jumped drastically too.

 

Epic-X OC is now $3599.99 from ~$2999.99.

 

Zero recent updates on any VPA 5090 FEs going out and BB hasn't had 5090 FEs since about a week or so after VPA started via Nvidia.

 

5080s continue to rain down every day tripping stock watcher alarms all the time.

 

5090's go quiet for days on end and then a trickle comes out and then it goes quiet again.

 

China is not backing down (I never expected them too), and with threats of even higher tariffs in play things are going to get real messy real quick.

 

 

Hmmm. Who want to pay ROG prices for PNY cards? If  this is correct then I expect Asus will come with a new nice price increase very soon. What I see here... The only shop that have the Astral cards right now can't get rid of the overpriced Asus flagship (still +24 of them ready to be shipped). If so... What will Asus do with that? Try put an even higher price to see if that helps boost the sales?🧐 And what with the +50 in stock of massively overpriced 5080 Astral ? This card don't move out at all from the shop. Aka the same as for the 5090 Flagship from Asus.

 

 

Everything related to newest tech is a disaster....

 

AMD motherboards fail with RTX 50 and RX 9000 cards: PCIe 5.0 speeds are reduced to 1.1, creating multiple problems for gamers.

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

PNY prices on walmart (shipped and sold by walmart.com) just jumped drastically too.

 

Epic-X OC is now $3599.99 from ~$2999.99.

 

Zero recent updates on any VPA 5090 FEs going out and BB hasn't had 5090 FEs since about a week or so after VPA started via Nvidia.

 

5080s continue to rain down every day tripping stock watcher alarms all the time.

 

5090's go quiet for days on end and then a trickle comes out and then it goes quiet again.

 

China is not backing down (I never expected them too), and with threats of even higher tariffs in play things are going to get real messy real quick.

 

I know the Nvidia VPA was running heavy from late February and in to March. It seemed like they were picking 4090 owners, then out of no where they started sending buy links to 3080 owners apparently per Reddit polls lol. I think there might be a low stock on 5090FE or maybe Nvidia is selling all the 5090 pallets to China or companies at over retail cost lol. $1,999.99 seems like a freaking bargain compared to $3,599.99. These AIB MSRP’s are getting insane. I mean, for a PNY? 🤣 That’s usually bought because it’s in-stock and a little less expensive. 
 

@win32asmguy

 

I’m running a Xeon w3175X and Dominus Extreme, which is old as the hill. But it gets the job done surprisingly. Running PCIe Gen 3 x16, I have no ReBar at all and Skylake architecture. It’s really an old CPU. It is overclocked to the absolute max on ambient water 4.7Ghz on all cores HT on, 3.3Ghz mesh, and DDR4 3800cl14  50ns latency. It’s typically always pushing the 5090 in 4K. I admit that overclocking my GPU is pointless most of the time, and some games like Tarkov really are all about the CPU. But this thing rips. I can run monster hunter and Cb2077 benches and compete similar to other modern rigs in 4K. Even Unigine Haven throws down! 😃 I’m impressed with the old pig. 
 

It could be since your system is dual CCD and OCTO channel and there’s a latency hit. But the IPC on your rig is definitely there! 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I still have the 5090 gaming trio oc but have not used it for a month. I will probably just list it for sale soon as I don't have much time at home to use a desktop system. To be honest the sapphire rapids CPU isn't pairing very well with the card as WoW was mostly CPU limited.

 

Yeah, that HEDT has its merits, but driving a 5090 and for WoW is not it.

 

If WoW is choking out a tuned 9800X3D, there's no way Sapphire Rapids can compete.

 

All my testing shows the 5090 is just a beast and if you play at QHD you're really limiting the 5090 as it truly is a 4k card that separates from the pack at 4k. At QHD is gets mired down in the same bottlenecks the 4090 suffered but even moreso.

 

If you really want it to shine you have two options to at least do that 5090 some justice:

 

Build out a 9800X3D/9950X3D (tuned)

Build out a 14900KS w/ 8200+ DDR5 tuned<---required.

 

I wish I had the resources to properly test a 285k tuned but I am now seriously over tapped and scrambling to get my tech budget out of the deep red.

 

How does the card clock at stock? OC? Coil Whine? temps? I know you got in early and paid a decent price for it total w/ tax?

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. Who want to pay ROG prices for PNY cards? If  this is correct then I expect Asus will come with a new nice price increase very soon. What I see here... The only shop that have the Astral cards right now can't get rid of the overpriced Asus flagship (still +24 of them ready to be shipped). If so... What will Asus do with that? Try put an even higher price to see if that helps boost the sales?🧐 And what with the +50 in stock of massively overpriced 5080 Astral ? This card don't move out at all from the shop. Aka the same as for the 5090 Flagship from Asus.

 

 

Everything related to newest tech is a disaster....

 

AMD motherboards fail with RTX 50 and RX 9000 cards: PCIe 5.0 speeds are reduced to 1.1, creating multiple problems for gamers.

 

Well, with the tariffs, AIBs really have no choice but to raise prices as they're not in the market of losing money.

 

What will happen if the tariffs continue as such (China isn't backing down) is AIBs will slow or stop orders as demand will drop with even higher pricing and they will focus on the sectors that can swallow the cost increases for profitability.

 

You will continue to have a smaller section of consumers that WILL pay $3-4k for 5090s as they trickle in.

 

Nvidia has no problems not producing 5090s as the AI market is still in full demand. This is one time they simply don't care enough and will just go where the $$$ is.

 

Even now, 5090s in the US are still painfully trickling in and yes, while I made fun of that $6k combo package on Newegg lasting three days, eventually they sold out.

 

Those +24 Astrals will eventually move or be re-allocated elsewhere when buyers realize prices aren't coming down and probably will eventually go up. As they see prices continue to rise they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They have two options....skip this gen or suck it up and buy one.

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I know the Nvidia VPA was running heavy from late February and in to March. It seemed like they were picking 4090 owners, then out of no where they started sending buy links to 3080 owners apparently per Reddit polls lol. I think there might be a low stock on 5090FE or maybe Nvidia is selling all the 5090 pallets to China or companies at over retail cost lol. $1,999.99 seems like a freaking bargain compared to $3,599.99. These AIB MSRP’s are getting insane. I mean, for a PNY? 🤣 That’s usually bought because it’s in-stock and a little less expensive. 
 

@win32asmguy

 

I’m running a Xeon w3175X and Dominus Extreme, which is old as the hill. But it gets the job done surprisingly. Running PCIe Gen 3 x16, I have no ReBar at all and Skylake architecture. It’s really an old CPU. It is overclocked to the absolute max on ambient water 4.7Ghz on all cores HT on, 3.3Ghz mesh, and DDR4 3800cl14  50ns latency. It’s typically always pushing the 5090 in 4K. I admit that overclocking my GPU is pointless most of the time, and some games like Tarkov really are all about the CPU. But this thing rips. I can run monster hunter and Cb2077 benches and compete similar to other modern rigs in 4K. Even Unigine Haven throws down! 😃 I’m impressed with the old pig. 
 

It could be since your system is dual CCD and OCTO channel and there’s a latency hit. But the IPC on 

your rig is definitely there! 

 

Depends on what you want. For example, @Mr. Fox wouldn't touch an FE with a 10 foot pole. It is good for what it is and based on cost, I would pick one up maybe, but in terms of cooling, OC and capability? Meh. I love LOVE the aesthetics though but the more I use this Astral? It's pricey but I like the extras across the board. Bang:Buck though the 5090 FE is a gem as long as there is no coil whine or electronic noise. Those fans spinning up drive me a bit bonkers though.

 

You can't copium your way out of running a much weaker platform that isn't doing the 5090 proper justice @tps3443!! Don't delude yourself!! 🤣

[Reciever]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That was too long ago for me to remember, LOL. Those were awesome air coolers though. I can't believe they were so inexpensive. Didn't they fit a whole bunch of GPUs or were they model-specific? I can vagely remember they were fairly universal because most GPUs had a common "reference" PCB design.

Congratulations, brother.

 

This one should be for GTX 9800 but it looks like it should also fit the GTX+ variants after reading some of the old newegg reviews, definitely the older variants seem to be higher success rates. 

Probably going to have to find something local as I dont really fancy 30-40+ USD on ebay for cards of this age

[Papusan]

On 4/9/2025 at 1:02 AM, electrosoft said:

Well, with the tariffs, AIBs really have no choice but to raise prices as they're not in the market of losing money.

 

What will happen if the tariffs continue as such (China isn't backing down) is AIBs will slow or stop orders as demand will drop with even higher pricing and they will focus on the sectors that can swallow the cost increases for profitability.

 

Is the cards listed in retail/AIB shops with or without the new tariff/taxes? Or will taxes be added on top when you check out to pay? Lets say listed at $3500 and final price will be $3850 ?

 

On 4/9/2025 at 1:02 AM, electrosoft said:

Those +24 Astrals will eventually move or be re-allocated elsewhere when buyers realize prices aren't coming down and probably will eventually go up. As they see prices continue to rise they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They have two options....skip this gen or suck it up and buy one.

 

Well. The Norwegain webshop share the amount parts/cards with 3 other shops (same retail group) in Scandinavian countries + the shop in Denmark. Aka 4 shops have problems to sell those. Divided on 27 mill people. 

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I’m running a Xeon w3175X and Dominus Extreme, which is old as the hill. But it gets the job done surprisingly. Running PCIe Gen 3 x16, I have no ReBar at all and Skylake architecture. It’s really an old CPU. It is overclocked to the absolute max on ambient water 4.7Ghz on all cores HT on, 3.3Ghz mesh, and DDR4 3800cl14  50ns latency. It’s typically always pushing the 5090 in 4K. I admit that overclocking my GPU is pointless most of the time, and some games like Tarkov really are all about the CPU. But this thing rips. I can run monster hunter and Cb2077 benches and compete similar to other modern rigs in 4K. Even Unigine Haven throws down! 😃 I’m impressed with the old pig. 
 

It could be since your system is dual CCD and OCTO channel and there’s a latency hit. But the IPC on your rig is definitely there! 

 

37 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah, that HEDT has its merits, but driving a 5090 and for WoW is not it.

 

If WoW is choking out a tuned 9800X3D, there's no way Sapphire Rapids can compete.

 

All my testing shows the 5090 is just a beast and if you play at QHD you're really limiting the 5090 as it truly is a 4k card that separates from the pack at 4k. At QHD is gets mired down in the same bottlenecks the 4090 suffered but even moreso.

 

If you really want it to shine you have two options to at least do that 5090 some justice:

 

Build out a 9800X3D/9950X3D (tuned)

Build out a 14900KS w/ 8200+ DDR5 tuned<---required.

 

I wish I had the resources to properly test a 285k tuned but I am now seriously over tapped and scrambling to get my tech budget out of the deep red.

 

How does the card clock at stock? OC? Coil Whine? temps? I know you got in early and paid a decent price for it total w/ tax?

 

Yeah Sapphire Rapids also has some unfortunate downsides like registered dimms, mesh clock bottlenecks and broken CPPC. I also find that disabling hyperthreading improves performance. Mine is the monolithic chip variant and IPC should be close to 13900K P-cores as it has the full 2MB L2 per core.

 

I wonder how a 285K setup would do. 275HX has not been horrible so far. I also thought about getting a 38 inch 144hz ultrawide as the 5090 could likely run it at the exact same framerates as I get on the QHD display. Although that still does not make the machine any more portable so I can use it during the day.

 

The 5090 itself has been great. Just stock clocks, no coil whine and temps are pretty good. It was 2500usd including tax which without any silly bundle bucket deals which seems pretty killer compared to prices today. It might even get worse if the MSRP for these is going up to 3500usd soon.

[Papusan]

 

This is what left from the leagacy of EVGA. The last chapter is sad reading. This feels like you bought an Jokebook.  

 

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yeah, that HEDT has its merits, but driving a 5090 and for WoW is not it.

 

If WoW is choking out a tuned 9800X3D, there's no way Sapphire Rapids can compete.

 

All my testing shows the 5090 is just a beast and if you play at QHD you're really limiting the 5090 as it truly is a 4k card that separates from the pack at 4k. At QHD is gets mired down in the same bottlenecks the 4090 suffered but even moreso.

 

If you really want it to shine you have two options to at least do that 5090 some justice:

 

Build out a 9800X3D/9950X3D (tuned)

Build out a 14900KS w/ 8200+ DDR5 tuned<---required.

 

I wish I had the resources to properly test a 285k tuned but I am now seriously over tapped and scrambling to get my tech budget out of the deep red.

 

How does the card clock at stock? OC? Coil Whine? temps? I know you got in early and paid a decent price for it total w/ tax?

 

 

Well, with the tariffs, AIBs really have no choice but to raise prices as they're not in the market of losing money.

 

What will happen if the tariffs continue as such (China isn't backing down) is AIBs will slow or stop orders as demand will drop with even higher pricing and they will focus on the sectors that can swallow the cost increases for profitability.

 

You will continue to have a smaller section of consumers that WILL pay $3-4k for 5090s as they trickle in.

 

Nvidia has no problems not producing 5090s as the AI market is still in full demand. This is one time they simply don't care enough and will just go where the $$$ is.

 

Even now, 5090s in the US are still painfully trickling in and yes, while I made fun of that $6k combo package on Newegg lasting three days, eventually they sold out.

 

Those +24 Astrals will eventually move or be re-allocated elsewhere when buyers realize prices aren't coming down and probably will eventually go up. As they see prices continue to rise they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They have two options....skip this gen or suck it up and buy one.

 

 

Depends on what you want. For example, @Mr. Fox wouldn't touch an FE with a 10 foot pole. It is good for what it is and based on cost, I would pick one up maybe, but in terms of cooling, OC and capability? Meh. I love LOVE the aesthetics though but the more I use this Astral? It's pricey but I like the extras across the board. Bang:Buck though the 5090 FE is a gem as long as there is no coil whine or electronic noise. Those fans spinning up drive me a bit bonkers though.

 

You can't copium your way out of running a much weaker platform that isn't doing the 5090 proper justice @tps3443!! Don't delude yourself!! 🤣

So for 4K, the games I play it’s primarily a GPU limit and does well! Star Wars Outlaws, KDC2, CB2077, Indiana Jones, Ark Ascended. Tarkov which I just started playing that has really shown me just how weak my CPU is. The game uses like 3 or 4 cores lol.😂  But yeah I’m getting bored with the platform. I’ve had it over 6 months. I plan to swap it out in a bit. It has been very reliable for my work apps though. And for some reason it has always done better for work than something like my previous 13900/14900 setups. I am considering 9900X3D/9950X3D or testing out an Intel 285K (I feel like I could whip that 285K in top shape). If I ran either I’d want 2x48GB ram. I’m not really after super fast ram anymore, I could care less if it’s 2 dimm or 4 dimm board. Lately I’m more in to boards with lots of I/O and features. Godlike/Extreme etc. For now current setup gets it done though.

 

2 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

 

Yeah Sapphire Rapids also has some unfortunate downsides like registered dimms, mesh clock bottlenecks and broken CPPC. I also find that disabling hyperthreading improves performance. Mine is the monolithic chip variant and IPC should be close to 13900K P-cores as it has the full 2MB L2 per core.

 

I wonder how a 285K setup would do. 275HX has not been horrible so far. I also thought about getting a 38 inch 144hz ultrawide as the 5090 could likely run it at the exact same framerates as I get on the QHD display. Although that still does not make the machine any more portable so I can use it during the day.

 

The 5090 itself has been great. Just stock clocks, no coil whine and temps are pretty good. It was 2500usd including tax which without any silly bundle bucket deals which seems pretty killer compared to prices today. It might even get worse if the MSRP for these is going up to 3500usd soon.

 

You may want to hang on to it, the market right now is pure insane. Pricing is worse since launch. I’m also thinking about trying an Intel 285K. I feel like this would be a good CPU. Not sure if I’m ready to move to AMD yet. The idea of something lower power usage is nice. 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

 

Yeah Sapphire Rapids also has some unfortunate downsides like registered dimms, mesh clock bottlenecks and broken CPPC. I also find that disabling hyperthreading improves performance. Mine is the monolithic chip variant and IPC should be close to 13900K P-cores as it has the full 2MB L2 per core.

 

I wonder how a 285K setup would do. 275HX has not been horrible so far. I also thought about getting a 38 inch 144hz ultrawide as the 5090 could likely run it at the exact same framerates as I get on the QHD display. Although that still does not make the machine any more portable so I can use it during the day.

 

The 5090 itself has been great. Just stock clocks, no coil whine and temps are pretty good. It was 2500usd including tax which without any silly bundle bucket deals which seems pretty killer compared to prices today. It might even get worse if the MSRP for these is going up to 3500usd soon.

 

How high can you clock it though? SP109 14900KS I was using (and now the wife is using) was clocking 5.9ghz all core in WoW and re-tuned on her Asus Strix Z690 D4 (my very first Z690 MB, the gift that keeps on giving) is clocking 6.2 on the newest BIOS in WoW and staying at or under 1.4v and ~70c on an EVGA CLC 280 w/ KPx and B-die sticks dialed in at CL15 4000 super tight across the board 2x16GB ( @Mr. Fox B-die sticks I bought several years ago that keep on giving)  . WoW will gobble up every last bit of frequency and it loves tight timings. Only at >=5.7ghz and dialed in 8000 did my 13900KS SP113  almost catch up to my 7800X3D. 5.9ghz and 8200 dialed in on the 14900KS made a good attempt but couldn't hang with my 9800X3D for WoW.

 

Before switching, the 14900KS at 59/45/45 8200 tuned had zero problems in my benchmarking spot capping out the 4090 overclocked to 3135mhz/+1500 memory.

 

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@Talon has his 285k dialed in and has had really good results. I think he has all three platforms now under his roof (9800X3D, 13/14th gen, Ultra 9) all tuned up w/ a 5090 to swap between them so he could give us a better overall appraisal for gaming between the three on the 5090

 

I can't really find any good results or tests for TWW and the 285k dialed in on the level we play and tests I know I personally run so it's frustrating. For a game still massively popular, it gets no love on YT for proper, controlled benchmarking. I could maybe try to snag a binned 285k (SP90+ would be nice) and a decent board but that is $1k right there and then you're gonna want to go with at least 8600+ memory and that's another $300+ so just like that $1300+ to play around. I'd actually go for 9000+ at this point

 

In this video, tuned properly, it seems to be hanging with the 9800X3D at 4k with a slight lead on average, but that is with a 4090 and he is running 9000 rated DDR5 for $340.

 

 

Look below to my response to @tps3443 about open box Apex boards and 9000 memory on Newegg.

 

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I personally would hold onto your 5090 because that price paid ($2500 all in) is really good especially now and then build out a better gaming rig around it, but with that being said having spent the last several days in WoW with my 9800X3D + 5090, those absolute frame tanks in ORBs and loaded Theatre events  is a killer and I am unsure (along with the 5090 being an absolute powerhouse of a GPU) if it is the cache being exhausted, engine limitations,  CPU limitations or a combination of all three but watching the fps drop to ~67 on the ORB in the Undermine and GPU utilization plummet to 22% is disheartening.

 

Good thing is your exact model 5090 still command $3.4k+ on eBay w/ a new MSRP of $3059 so reselling it would be very easy and pocketing a bit of change or sell it to a board member at cost and pat yourself on the back.

 

1 minute ago, tps3443 said:

So for 4K, the games I play it’s primarily a GPU limit and does well! Star Wars Outlaws, KDC2, CB2077, Indiana Jones, Ark Ascended. Tarkov which I just started playing that has really shown me just how weak my CPU is. The game uses like 3 or 4 cores lol.😂  But yeah I’m getting bored with the platform. I’ve had it over 6 months. I plan to swap it out in a bit. It has been very reliable for my work apps though. And for some reason it has always done better for work than something like my previous 13900/14900 setups. I am considering 9900X3D/9950X3D or testing out an Intel 285K (I feel like I could whip that 285K in top shape). If I ran either I’d want 2x48GB ram. I’m not really after super fast ram anymore, I could care less if it’s 2 dimm or 4 dimm board. Lately I’m more in to boards with lots of I/O and features. Godlike/Extreme etc. For now current setup gets it done though.

 

 

Ok, as long as you weren't gonna try to say your platform is the same as an AM5/14th gen tuned up for gaming. If you did, you get some of this:

 

 

But in all seriousness, 285k or 9950X3D is your next, great frontier @tps3443 if you want to truly have a go at it with your 5090.

 

 I would be lying if I said it hasn't crossed my mind lately having exhausted AMD 7800X3D, 7950X3D and 9950X3D along with Intel 12900k, SP113 13900KS and SP109 14900KS.

 

I get these itches I have to scratch....

 

Newegg has some open box z890 Apex MBs for a crazy price of $371!

Toss in a pair of 9000 cudimms for $339 (or TG 8800)

 

and then either pick up a new lottery pick 285k or look for a decent bin on the forums....

 

7 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

You may want to hang on to it, the market right now is pure insane. Pricing is worse since launch. I’m also thinking about trying an Intel 285K. I feel like this would be a good CPU. Not sure if I’m ready to move to AMD yet. The idea of something lower power usage is nice. 

 

Yeah, I agree. It is going to be top dog for the next two years +. I bought my Liquid 4090 3 months in and rocked it for almost two years. I plan on doing the same with the Astral (or whatever I end up with in the next 30-60 days, but probably the Astral. Sweet sample, no coil whine, runs cool and quiet).

 

 

[jaybee83]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

Everything related to newest tech is a disaster....

 

AMD motherboards fail with RTX 50 and RX 9000 cards: PCIe 5.0 speeds are reduced to 1.1, creating multiple problems for gamers.

 

oh cmon! what else do i need to check once it arrives?!?!?

 

- correct ROP amount

- PCIe speed

- Power cable

- Drivers

- Display settings to avoid black screens (potentially disable GSync)

- vRAM OC unlock for above +2000

- dont touch voltage slider in AB, otherwise stuck at idle clocks

 

anything else?! 😄 

[win32asmguy]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

How high can you clock it though?

 

So far I have it at 4.8ghz on six cores and 4.6ghz on all others. The Skatterbencher article mentioned individually testing each core to find an offset but I have not found the process to do that yet.