*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The PC tech freak show is all smoke and mirrors, snake oil and fake frames. They need to have a rude awakening and we need to treat them to a financial crisis unlike anything they have ever had to endure. And, while we are at it was can let them know our colons are not their personal sausage grinders.

 

FG aside (yuck), 5090 has some impressive gains in my testing over the 4090 and 5080. Pricing is absolutely terrible, but the performance is there. Down the rest of the stack, you either pay the same or even less for modest gains across the board. It isn't exciting, but it is still net positive across the board. It isn't like Nvidia provided zero up uplift and charged more.

 

We need AMD to do what they're doing to the mid range with the 9070xt to the halo tier. Nvidia literally has zero competition. They didn't have it last time either with the 4090 but the 9070xt lowers the price (when MSRP), ups the RT but is basically performing raster wise overall like a 7900xtx.

 

Demand has many 9070xt's priced like 5070ti's and as much as I like the 9070xt, if pricing is equal, I'm taking the 5070ti.

 

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@tps3443 This is some serious levels of dedication to shunting and ad hoc cooling the 5090 FE!!

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29462990/

 

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

FG aside (yuck), 5090 has some impressive gains in my testing over the 4090 and 5080. Pricing is absolutely terrible, but the performance is there. Down the rest of the stack, you either pay the same or even less for modest gains across the board. It isn't exciting, but it is still net positive across the board. It isn't like Nvidia provided zero up uplift and charged more.

 

We need AMD to do what they're doing to the mid range with the 9070xt to the halo tier. Nvidia literally has zero competition. They didn't have it last time either with the 4090 but the 9070xt lowers the price (when MSRP), ups the RT but is basically performing raster wise overall like a 7900xtx.

 

Demand has many 9070xt's priced like 5070ti's and as much as I like the 9070xt, if pricing is equal, I'm taking the 5070ti.

 

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@tps3443 This is some serious levels of dedication to shunting and ad hoc cooling the 5090 FE!!

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29462990/

 

 

 

 

 

YUK! That poor card! My goodness. His build was really clean looking too! I’m surprised he’d chop an FE up this way. 
 

I’m kinda OCD and I like things looking clean. Based on the rest of his build, I really don’t think he’s gonna be happy with it in a day/week.
 

I would not modify stock cooler, just apply the shunt to give us 1,050-1,200 watts. Revert back to stock, or wait for EKWB block. He got it working though. And I think the FE really needs better cooler for full potential. 

[Papusan]

33 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m kinda OCD and I like things looking clean. Based on the rest of his build, I really don’t think he’s gonna be happy with it in a day/week.

 

And not forget all the cards with ugly home brewed heatsink and fans on top of the fancy colored orginal alu backplate to try reduce the temps. Imagine if Nvidia made the 5090 as the 3090 with vram sandwiched on the PCB. Like instant 100C for the vram and backplate. So perfectly fine for cooking food while you gaming. Engineering at the very best. 

 

The tiny trash connectors is almost as superglued to the GPU and PSU, LOOL

[johnksss]

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

And not forget all the cards with ugly home brewed heatsink and fans on top of the fancy colored orginal alu backplate to try reduce the temps. Imagine if Nvidia made the 5090 as the 3090 with vram sandwiched on the PCB. Like instant 100C for the vram and backplate. So perfectly fine for cooking food while you gaming. Engineering at the very best. 

 

The tiny trash connectors is almost as superglued to the GPU and PSU, LOOL

The factory 5090FE cooler is amazing. What’s crazy is that we could actually fit a 5090 FE inside of a laptop. Since the I/O is hooked up via ribbon cable, and same for PCIe X16 connection. And since the main PCB is its own small piece. These connections could be hooked up anywhere. I don’t understand why laptop manufacturers haven’t done this years ago. We can easily put desktop power in a laptop. With no massive motherboard with big BGA chips soldered on. Full on 9800X3D desktop chip inside a laptop. 
 

I cannot imagine what Nvidia 6090 will look like. 
 

 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

YUK! That poor card! My goodness. His build was really clean looking too! I’m surprised he’d chop an FE up this way. 
 

I’m kinda OCD and I like things looking clean. Based on the rest of his build, I really don’t think he’s gonna be happy with it in a day/week.
 

I would not modify stock cooler, just apply the shunt to give us 1,050-1,200 watts. Revert back to stock, or wait for EKWB block. He got it working though. And I think the FE really needs better cooler for full potential. 

 

Yeah I didn't say it was pretty. 🙂

 

I guess when you really want to know and get things moving and know what you're doing (I'll assume), you improvise. Temps were ~64c avg pulling all that extra juice so it's clearly working to a degree. Just good to see knowing you plan on shunting and blocking your FE.

 

What block(s) are you looking at/ordering? I've always liked the look of EKWB but BP are cheaper are decently functional.

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

The factory 5090FE cooler is amazing. What’s crazy is that we could actually fit a 5090 FE inside of a laptop. Since the I/O is hooked up via ribbon cable, and same for PCIe X16 connection. And since the main PCB is its own small piece. These connections could be hooked up anywhere. I don’t understand why laptop manufacturers haven’t done this years ago. We can easily put desktop power in a laptop. With no massive motherboard with big BGA chips soldered on. Full on 9800X3D desktop chip inside a laptop. 
 

I cannot imagine what Nvidia 6090 will look like. 
 

 

 

Good luck cooling that OR having an old school luggable level laptop. SFF on the other hand? I'm looking forward to continued buildouts with it.... I've been collecting a lot of data on configs, cases, etc... all centered around the 5080/5090 FE design and a 9800X3D.

 

Remember years ago we did have desktop equivalent power in a laptop with the 980  and the P870 laptops. Those were full on Desktop parts in a laptop using MXM. 1080 was also on the same level. Things started to diverge with the 2000 series as the power started to get slap happy and then 3000 series barely moved the needle forward in a laptop vs 2000. 4000 had a lovely switch to TSMC and a node shrink so with the 4080/4090 we got a nice bump in performance. Unfortunately same node as the 5000 series so the needle barely moved akin to 2000 vs 3000.

 

The 5090FE main board itself is most certainly MXM sized but think about the sheer size and compact chunk around it to cool it down. That has to make it's way into a laptop realistically.

 

In the end, you have a 500w+ part and that's just not going to work in any semblance of a modern laptop or even a P870 type where cooling 300w was state of the art and it was a brick house (I loved mine).

 

It would take a homebrew tinkerer to try and really get an FE board and 9800X3D in some sort of all in one ~15-20lb "laptop" to work and I'm 100% here for it.

 

Obviously at least a 780w external adapter.

 

I mean, on paper it is kinda doable but just really ad hoc and specialized.

 

I'm fully expecting a node shrink for the 6090. 5090 is pushing the boundaries as is and has extended the current node as far as it can go realistically.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t understand why laptop manufacturers haven’t done this years ago. We can easily put desktop power in a laptop.

 

There was the Asus laptop a while ago with the Quadro equivalent of a 2080Ti - complete with 24GB of memory on a 384-bit bus. It had a 200W power limit but did show that a TU102 chip could fit and function in a laptop.

 

Personally I think we need properly sized DTR 5090m laptops at 300W+ before bigger more expensive silicon. That is not happening soon as all the OEMs have declared anything thick cannot possible sell well. Nvidia does not help with this either as they clearly want to keep their entire mobile product line in a close range of trickled performance.

[tps3443]

That RTX 6000 Pro (96GB) looks very nice right? My goodness, apparently they are like $7,700 at the cheapest. But what an awesome GPU. 

[electrosoft]

18 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

There was the Asus laptop a while ago with the Quadro equivalent of a 2080Ti - complete with 24GB of memory on a 384-bit bus. It had a 200W power limit but did show that a TU102 chip could fit and function in a laptop.

 

Personally I think we need properly sized DTR 5090m laptops at 300W+ before bigger more expensive silicon. That is not happening soon as all the OEMs have declared anything thick cannot possible sell well. Nvidia does not help with this either as they clearly want to keep their entire mobile product line in a close range of trickled performance.

 

Realistically, capped, any desktop GPU will fit in a laptop but Nvidia regressed when they basically did everything in their power to do away with MXM as a standard.

 

I would love to see Nvidia enforced TDPs go away and let manufacturer's scale up to 300w+ If they did that, a 5090m would actually perform like a real desktop 5080.

 

I've commented numerous times in the past on the bean counters just following marketing/sales data and going where the markets dictate. Big, thick and heavy laptops are going the way of the dodo unfortunately and the vast majority want thin and light laptops with as good of battery life as possible. Performance places a distant second to this criteria and the top selling laptops always bear out this point. 😞

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

That RTX 6000 Pro (96GB) looks very nice right? My goodness, apparently they are like $7,700 at the cheapest. But what an awesome GPU. 

 

I know right? And you know there are going to be some enthusiasts picking one up for the sheer leisurely love of it for that full fat die loving....

 

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Astral 5080 is officially now $1799.99 on MC,  Amazon and Newegg shipped and sold by both....

 

Cheapest AIB 5080 on Newegg is $1389.99 shipped and sold by....

 

If trends follow, I would not be surprised to see the Astral go to $3599.99 and LC $3899.99.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

11 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Realistically, capped, any desktop GPU will fit in a laptop but Nvidia regressed when they basically did everything in their power to do away with MXM as a standard.

 

I would love to see Nvidia enforced TDPs go away and let manufacturer's scale up to 300w+ If they did that, a 5090m would actually perform like a real desktop 5080.

 

I've commented numerous times in the past on the bean counters just following marketing/sales data and going where the markets dictate. Big, thick and heavy laptops are going the way of the dodo unfortunately and the vast majority want thin and light laptops with as good of battery life as possible. Performance places a distant second to this criteria and the top selling laptops always bear out this point. 😞

 

 

I know right? And you know there are going to be some enthusiasts picking one up for the sheer leisurely love of it for that full fat die loving....

 

 

They are truly amazing GPU’s. I am curious how the PCB looks. It would be nice to get a look at one of these or see a review, the price is crazy, but for a 96GB 5090FE it’s not that outrageous. They have dual rank memory which also performs slightly better than single rank. I’m wondering how double sided 96GB GDDR7 would run on a 5090FE cooler. I’m just extremely curious about these. If it has same design as 5090 FE, how the heck did they fit 96GB on the backside? 😃

[electrosoft]

23 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

They are truly amazing GPU’s. I am curious how the PCB looks. It would be nice to get a look at one of these or see a review, the price is crazy, but for a 96GB 5090FE it’s not that outrageous. They have dual rank memory which also performs slightly better than single rank. I’m wondering how double sided 96GB GDDR7 would run on a 5090FE cooler. I’m just extremely curious about these. If it has same design as 5090 FE, how the heck did they fit 96GB on the backside? 😃

 

Yeah, I'm hoping someone from the forums splurges and goes to town on one of them. 🤣

 

I suspect they would make adjustments to the heatsink like they did between the 5080 FE and 5090 FE. Externally they look identical, but the 5090 FE weighs more and has been beefed up a bit internally.

 

 

[Papusan]

 

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Astral 5080 is officially now $1799.99 on MC,  Amazon and Newegg shipped and sold by both....

 

Cheapest AIB 5080 on Newegg is $1389.99 shipped and sold by....

 

If trends follow, I would not be surprised to see the Astral go to $3599.99 and LC $3899.99.

 

Asus find new ways to  increase profits from $999 graphics cards. Will we see $2000 for the new greedy move? Or 5090 FE prices for 5080 cards? That's disgusting even with the Gold color

ASUS preparing GeForce RTX 5080 ROG Astral DHAHAB Edition

 

 

Stock 3DM  Port Royal results +40.000 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3411289

 

Oc'd 3DM Port Royal with Gigabyte vbios and broken fan control +43300 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3411290

 

I just bought a new machine with 5.0 Amp batteries to replace my aging Bosch (both 18V) for my outdoor projects. I hope the new one will last equal long as the old (+15 years). But as everyone know.... New has to be better🤐

 

$250 with discount. And replacement battery cost close to $100 so nice the package have two of them. It takes 45 min to charge one of the 5.0AH  batteries. That's not bad. 

 

 

Nvidia hope the new RTX workstation cards can help the AIB parners to keep the ASP for all 5090 cards as high as possible. 9000 Euro  is above $10.000 USD

NVIDIA RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell GPUs now available, starting at €9000

 

@Reciever The forum have been slow to load the last days. Hope you can take a look. Thanks

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yeah, I'm hoping someone from the forums splurges and goes to town on one of them. 🤣

 

I suspect they would make adjustments to the heatsink like they did between the 5080 FE and 5090 FE. Externally they look identical, but the 5090 FE weighs more and has been beefed up a bit internally.

 

 

I think @Talon has deep enough pockets and was considering one. 😀


@papusan I think most of these are sold by distributors, and you have to get a quote from someone. Based on the Quotes I have seen $7,000-$8,000 USD. So, it's not too crazy for a 96GB VRAM GPU that is the fastest graphics card in the world! 
 

[Talon]

56 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I think @Talon has deep enough pockets and was considering one. 😀


@papusan I think most of these are sold by distributors, and you have to get a quote from someone. Based on the Quotes I have seen $7,000-$8,000 USD. So, it's not too crazy for a 96GB VRAM GPU that is the fastest graphics card in the world! 
 

 

Sadly I have been looking at that exact card lol. Had it in my cart multiple times. But sanity got the better of me. The excitement of owning something that expensive would probably wear off quickly and I'm not sure I could ever forgive myself for buying something that foolishly expensive. I'd rather get a couple Breitlings or a nice Rolex.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

@papusan I think most of these are sold by distributors, and you have to get a quote from someone. Based on the Quotes I have seen $7,000-$8,000 USD. So, it's not too crazy for a 96GB VRAM GPU that is the fastest graphics card in the world! 

 

Castrated by single tiny 12v-2x6. So damn expensive vram. And only for specialized workloads. And the Pro series is Nvidia's gold. Perfect for China to circumvent the US ban. The more they sell of theese the higher price  will you see for 5090's. But the Chinese can make 3x5090's for the same price with 3x +48GB vram. 

[tps3443]

31 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Sadly I have been looking at that exact card lol. Had it in my cart multiple times. But sanity got the better of me. The excitement of owning something that expensive would probably wear off quickly and I'm not sure I could ever forgive myself for buying something that foolishly expensive. I'd rather get a couple Breitlings or a nice Rolex.

I wish someone would share the differences. The cooler is different on both sides. The Pro model has heatsink fin material on the opposite side where the fans are. I’m also curious about the bios on these Pro 6000 cards! It’s 600w straight, vs 575w. 
 

I feel like the RTX 6000 Pro is not a complete flow through based on the PCB pics. It can’t possibly be. It would be like a partial flow through design. But I‘m not completely sure. 

[Papusan]

6 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I wish someone would share the differences. The cooler is different on both sides. The Pro model has heatsink fin material on the opposite side where the fans are. I’m also curious about the bios on these Pro 6000 cards! It’s 600w straight, vs 575w. 
 

I feel like the RTX 6000 Pro is not a complete flow through based on the PCB pics. It can’t possibly be. It would be like a partial flow through design. But I‘m not completely sure. 

 

RTX 6000 Pro will have the 3090 vram temps. The vram below the backplate will turn into +100C. But Nvidia have asked Micron/Samsung and Hynix to increase temp limits for their  chips, so.... Maybe it will last within the warranty period. Only Nvidia  know.

[Mr. Fox]

41 minutes ago, Talon said:

Sadly I have been looking at that exact card lol. Had it in my cart multiple times. But sanity got the better of me. The excitement of owning something that expensive would probably wear off quickly and I'm not sure I could ever forgive myself for buying something that foolishly expensive. I'd rather get a couple Breitlings or a nice Rolex.

💯 I cannot even come up with an intelligent or logic-based rationale for paying such grossly overblown prices for a 5090, so good luck with the rationale for that model. To be fair, I'd struggle to find an intelligent reason to buy one of those watches as well. The clock on my cell phone is free and works just as well. Plus it doesn't send a message to everyone that sees it that I am a legend in my own mind.

[Papusan]

51 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

💯 I cannot even come up with an intelligent or logic-based rationale for paying such grossly overblown prices for a 5090, so good luck with the rationale for that model. To be fair, I'd struggle to find an intelligent reason to buy one of those watches as well. The clock on my cell phone is free and works just as well. Plus it doesn't send a message to everyone that sees it that I am a legend in my own mind.

 

The Chinese know best. 4x 5090 for the price of the Pro. Have been shown time after time. No problem turn 32GB for higher capacity with blessing from Jensen. If he cannot sell more expensive SKU's due the US ban then hi sell parts to make the cheaper cards better. The stupids in the US governments can't catch up with the greed. Or they are all corrupt. And me thinking they are both. You can't fix stupid!!!!!

[tps3443]

The 5090 definitely runs Crysis lol.

 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Sadly I have been looking at that exact card lol. Had it in my cart multiple times. But sanity got the better of me. The excitement of owning something that expensive would probably wear off quickly and I'm not sure I could ever forgive myself for buying something that foolishly expensive. I'd rather get a couple Breitlings or a nice Rolex.

 

Just sell your 5090 to offset the cost!

 

Do it for the team! 🤣

 

I'm partial to Rolex's because my dad raised us on them, but Breitling's are nice too.

 

 

[tps3443]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

The Chinese know best. 4x 5090 for the price of the Pro. Have been shown time after time. No problem turn 32GB for higher capacity with blessing from Jensen. If he cannot sell more expensive SKU's due the US ban then hi sell parts to make the cheaper cards better. The stupids in the US governments can't catch up with the greed. Or they are all corrupt. And me thinking they are both. You can't fix stupid!!!!!

I think if I actually needed or had a use for 96GB of vram, and I was seriously wanting to spend that much money on a single RTX 6000 Pro , I’d absolutely rather have (4) RTX 5090 FE’s for only $7,999.99 instead. And then have 128GB GDDR7. Or buy (3) for $5,999.99 and have the same VRAM capacity. You’d be able to leverage so much more power with multiple 5090’s than a single RTX 6000 Pro. I think Nvidia should have priced this GPU at no more than $4,499.99. The FE is just too good of a deal, and it makes the 6000 Pro seem INSANE lol.

 

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Just sell your 5090 to offset the cost!

 

Do it for the team! 🤣

 

I'm partial to Rolex's because my dad raised us on them, but Breitling's are nice too.

 

 

It would be for science! And it would

be so much fun to see what one could actually do. I guess they are like 8% faster? Or are they even faster than that? 

[Mr. Fox]

Many of the Quadro cards have been a GeForce equivalent with some minor variances, but locked down with no voltage, core or memory clock modifications. I don't know if this overpriced "Pro" is like that or not. Has anyone been crazy enough to buy one and explorer overclocking once they received it? The intended market is not one that cares about overclocking or gaming and it may not do either one as well.