*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

On 5/15/2025 at 6:18 AM, tps3443 said:

DOOM Dark Ages is very fun! It is on Game Pass for free with subscription! 
 

 

 

any crashing issues with it yet? ive heard lots of user reports with huge issues of stability, regardless of setup. its definitely on my playlist, although i havent come around to Eternal & Ancient Gods yet. so i guess once i get to Dark Ages, itll have shed its initial instability issues. at least i hope so 😄 

 

On 5/15/2025 at 6:21 AM, johnksss said:

It also came with my Astral and my laptop. Plus a few other games I need to get installed.

 

ah the stress of having too many games and too little time to play them 😛 haha

 

On 5/15/2025 at 6:42 AM, electrosoft said:

Has anyone played Clair Obscur: Expedition 33? It seems to be getting a lot of attention and pretty good reviews.

 

I'm taking a break from Fallout 76 for a bit so that opens up another slot for game play to go along with WoW.

 

 

 

Expedition 33 is blowing up here in europe, completely insane how everyone is glazing over it. all those reviews and user reports have me intrigued, although im usually not interested in such "anime style" games. if u try please report back on what u think! in any case quite impressive that such a small team could have such a big success. just goes to show that stupidly pumping enormous amounts of money into the nth iteration of the same idea (i.e. battle royals or hero arena shooters) does not guarantee success!

 

15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

SFF build with the 6000....so nice....

 

 

 

Benchmarks w/ and w/o OC......

 

 

niiice so it IS indeed overclockable hm? thats good to hear! sooooo, who of us is gonna get one of those? 😛 cmon bro @Mr. Fox i can already see you secretly checking your bank account! 😄 

 

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't need it. I just today received a brand new 3080 from Israel that has more of them for under $350. These are like what they use in servers so they're a bit loud and hot, but I can fix that. An aftermarket backplate and waterblock will do the trick. This is indeed brand new and it shipped in generic whitebox type of packaging as though it was never intended for retail consumer distribution. Works like a normal 3080 though. Just stripped down with a crappy blower cooler. They've got more old stock on hand.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/187160768672

 

 

and to think what these cards cost during the pandemic area, holy guacamole....

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

niiice so it IS indeed overclockable hm? thats good to hear! sooooo, who of us is gonna get one of those? 😛 cmon bro @Mr. Fox i can already see you secretly checking your bank account! 😄 

Small and densely packed jigsaw puzzle computers make me angry. I really do not care for SFF. Kind of like sitting in the middle seat on a 4-hour flight between two extra-fat and sweaty people that can't fit into the seat space allocated. Even the SFF builds I have done were 'too big' for SFF fanboys. Those that are too big can also be frustrating. O11D XL size is near perfect.

[jaybee83]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Small and densely packed jigsaw puzzle computers make me angry. I really do not care for SFF. Kind of like sitting in the middle seat on a 4-hour flight between two extra-fat and sweaty people that can't fit into the seat space allocated. Even the SFF builds I have done were 'too big' for SFF fanboys. Those that are too big can also be frustrating. O11D XL size is near perfect.

 

i was talking about the gpu not the SFF build 😄 omg u with such a small case is like that classic cartoon of a big mountain of a man getting out of a tiny beetle haha

[Mr. Fox]

55 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i was talking about the gpu not the SFF build 😄 omg u with such a small case is like that classic cartoon of a big mountain of a man getting out of a tiny beetle haha

Ah ha! You were being sarcastic. I love sarcasm. Yeah, I can hardly wait to buy my next FE GPU. (Yes, more sarcasm, plus there can be no next without a first. I do not intend for there to be one.)

 

Size is subjective. Those two SFF builds I did in the past year or so really illustrated how relative the perception can be. I was amazed by how much performance fit into a midget-sized package. But, to everyone else it was like, "Huh? What? Small? That's not small. It's just not as massive as your other computers." The way I see it is, if I can hold onto it and walk across the room with it tucked under one arm or move it somewhere else without having to use both hands to wrangle it, then to me it's SFF.

[jaybee83]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Ah ha! You were being sarcastic. I love sarcasm. Yeah, I can hardly wait to buy my next FE GPU. (Yes, more sarcasm, plus there can be no next without a first. I do not intend for there to be one.)

 

Size is subjective. Those two SFF builds I did in the past year or so really illustrated how relative the perception can be. I was amazed by how much performance fit into a midget-sized package. But, to everyone else it was like, "Huh? What? Small? That's not small. It's just not as massive as your other computers." The way I see it is, if I can hold onto it and walk across the room with it tucked under one arm or move it somewhere else without having to use both hands to wrangle it, then to me it's SFF.

 

tru i feel that, not a big fan of FEs either. but with the 6000 pro there arent any AIB cards. i wonder if the PCB would be similar enough to the 5090 that a waterblock could fit? now that would be quite the beast!

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think tomorrow I am going to put the Gene back in the Antec C8, box up the Apex and return it for a refund. It is expensive but doesn't offer me any notable performance gains over the Gene or Master, and has an unforgivable appointment of PCIe slots. I really irks the crap out of me that the only usable PCIe slot apart from the GPU is the one right above it. I do not like having the Sabrent card on top of the GPU. I don't like the fact that using the PCIe X16 slots below the GPU slot cut the GPU bandwidth to X8 (inexcusable - Gigabyte wins here). I think getting back $800 will yield more personal benefit than what the Apex can deliver. I feel like there is nothing to be gained by keeping it. It's functional limitations combined with little or no performance gains are the deciding factors here.

No more procrastination.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, I can hardly wait to buy my next FE GPU.

 

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

As soon as this happens I will be ready.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

As soon as this happens I will be ready.

I’ve had great luck with them. Like many others. My 2080Ti FE was 2080Ti HOF fast. Me personally, I don’t care what it is so long as you can make it fast, a GPU is a GPU. Many golden 4090’s were in the form of FE. motivman had a crazy good 4090FE. That thing absolutely ripped. I’m all for cheap+fast. But I don’t overthink the stock form it comes in. But I understand that some people may not modify their own cars, they may want that high HP right out of the box. You gotta take a solder iron to any of them this generation. Unless you’re Linus lol.
 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

tru i feel that, not a big fan of FEs either. but with the 6000 pro there arent any AIB cards. i wonder if the PCB would be similar enough to the 5090 that a waterblock could fit? now that would be quite the beast!

 

Yeah, therein lies the problem. Only one source, no other vBIOS's and I'm sure zero XOC's being created around it. No chance of a block either.

 

I still kinda want one tho.... 🤣

 

I still like the FEs, but that vBIOS BS just irked me to no end to the point I sold off my 5080 FE. Oh, and those temps didn't excite me either but not being able to cross flash other vBIOS's or a potential XOC vBIOS? Deal breaker.

 

If I had an 5090FE, it would be UV and slapped in an SFF case. That is where it shines. Anything else is all AIB superiority.

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

No more procrastination.

 

Well, at least you tried it out for us so now we know. Let me ask you this. If you didn't have the gene, would you have kept it?

 

50 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’ve had great luck with them. Like many others. My 2080Ti FE was 2080Ti HOF fast. Me personally, I don’t care what it is so long as you can make it fast, a GPU is a GPU. Many golden 4090’s were in the form of FE. motivman had a crazy good 4090FE. That thing absolutely ripped. I’m all for cheap+fast. But I don’t overthink the stock form it comes in. But I understand some people may some modify their own cars, they may want that HP right out of the box. You gotta take a solder iron to any of them this generation. Unless you’re Linus lol.
 

 

Hey! As long as you like it and it works for you, that's all that matters. Different strokes for different folks hence all the AIB models too. I'm hoping they find a way to break through on the 5090FE to let you cross flash different vBIOS's but that was a crap move on Nvidia's part to lock it down further this time around.

That is artificially limiting the 5090FE even vs the 4090FE and removes the third part of the OC'er holy grail (vBIOS options, blocking, shunting (negated by XOC vBIOS)). The fourth would be silicon lottery. That 5090 FE with that 1.1+ voltage on OC is a potential monster in the making if he blocks and shunts it.

 

Luckily, even limited, you can at least shunt and block it to realize the other two parts of its performance potential which will be nice to see. Are you still waiting on the block to shunt it or going to do it now?

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Well, at least you tried it out for us so now we know. Let me ask you this. If you didn't have the gene, would you have kept it?

No. In fact, I am probably going to sell the Gene and purchase another X870E AORUS Master. The Gene is as great as it can be, but the mATX form factor is an impediment in terms of the connectivity I want. I have only one slot for the Sabrent card. It works and doesn't hinder the GPU but it is PCIe 3.0 X1. The Master gives me two usable X4 slots (X16 size) to use as I wish without affecting the GPU, NVMe or SATA. If I were interested in a SFF build it would definitely be a keeper.

[Papusan]

57 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Hey! As long as you like it and it works for you, that's all that matters. Different strokes for different folks hence all the AIB models too. I'm hoping they find a way to break through on the 5090FE to let you cross flash different vBIOS's but that was a crap move on Nvidia's part to lock it down further this time around.

 

Just wait. The Chinese will put all work into making the 5090FE work with 48GB vram. And they will hack the firmware/make custom nvflash that will work. Some will do it. Be you sure. Maybe with xx60 series we will see the same also for all AIB cards (you are stuck with what you bought). We already see some of it today (problems cross-flash some of the AIB cards). 

[tps3443]

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Just wait. The Chinese will put all work into making the 5090FE work with 48GB vram. And they will hack the firmware/make custom nvflash that will work. Some will do it. Be you sure. Maybe with xx60 series we will see the same also for all AIB cards (you are stuck with what you bought). We already see some of it today (problems cross-flash some of the AIB cards). 

@electrosoft I don’t think he is big on flashing otherwise he’d be running that Giga Chad bios on his Astral from Gigabyte, and he’s on stock Astral bios. He just likes dog’n on the ole FE. 🤣

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

@electrosoft I don’t think he is big on flashing otherwise he’d be running that Giga Chad bios on his Astral from Gigabyte, and he’s on stock Astral bios. He just likes dog’n on the ole FE. 🤣

 

Me? Have tested it. But the fan control on the Astral is total wacko with the Gigabyte vbios. Only useful if you have a waterblock for the card. But not bad with the 600W power cap https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3411290

 

 

Edit. What a beauty. But it will most likely be a downscaled/castrated card for China. If this info is correct from Manly, then expect the Black Edition of xx90 HOF will be an hefty downgrade. More like  5090DD. Yet, a damn pretty one.

GALAX teases its first GeForce RTX 50 Hall of Fame graphics card in black
 

 

 

@Mr. Fox

ASRock announces X870E Taichi OCF, its first AMD OC Formula motherboard for overclocking
https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-announces-x870e-taichi-ocf-its-first-amd-oc-formula-motherboard-for-overclocking

 

This should be done for every HW manufacurer. No one want big packages with bloatware intalled on their systems.  And (a)RGB should be set to static White for default settings. The RGB jockey's can tune for their likings if they prefer other colors than white. Not force the trash on everyone. 

 

MSI preps web-based RGB controls so you don't have to install bloatware on your PC

 

 

@electrosoft You prefer AIO coolers. Take a look....

 

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

No. In fact, I am probably going to sell the Gene and purchase another X870E AORUS Master. The Gene is as great as it can be, but the mATX form factor is an impediment in terms of the connectivity I want. I have only one slot for the Sabrent card. It works and doesn't hinder the GPU but it is PCIe 3.0 X1. The Master gives me two usable X4 slots (X16 size) to use as I wish without affecting the GPU, NVMe or SATA. If I were interested in a SFF build it would definitely be a keeper.

 

Crazy to see you moving away from 1dpc boards to 2dpc boards and prioritizing other things now but it makes sense as you've divested yourself of a good chunk of your cooling equipment and migrated back to actual cases recently.

 

The state of the computer market has me not feeling so zesty either. 😞

 

 

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Just wait. The Chinese will put all work into making the 5090FE work with 48GB vram. And they will hack the firmware/make custom nvflash that will work. Some will do it. Be you sure. Maybe with xx60 series we will see the same also for all AIB cards (you are stuck with what you bought). We already see some of it today (problems cross-flash some of the AIB cards). 

 

I suspect each cycle Nvidia will try their damn hardest to continue to lock down and out everything and continue to suck all the joy out of tinkering and overclocking as best as possible. This might be the FE bitterness speaking a bit though too. 🙂

 

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

@electrosoft I don’t think he is big on flashing otherwise he’d be running that Giga Chad bios on his Astral from Gigabyte, and he’s on stock Astral bios. He just likes dog’n on the ole FE. 🤣

 

He should at least try if he has a normal Astral. So he has both an Astral and that sweet voltage sample of an FE and not flashing anything to the Astral?

 

Sheesh.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Crazy to see you moving away from 1dpc boards to 2dpc boards and prioritizing other things now but it makes sense as you've divested yourself of a good chunk of your cooling equipment and migrated back to actual cases recently.

 

The state of the computer market has me not feeling so zesty either. 😞

This is true, but not because I like it or want to. I hate it to put it bluntly. And, this is because almost everything is priced beyond the level of performance the price tag suggests it should offer and most of it delivers very poor value. Also because most of the overpriced "enthusiast" computer parts are crippled and gimped rainbow puke rubbish made to please the children of wealthy and/or financially foolish parents rather than actual enthusiast-grade components. While it is not quite to the same magnitude, it feels very similar to the absolute contempt that I hold for turdbooks now. I'm not ever going to be happy about wasting my money (small or large sums) on overpriced, mediocre, crippled garbage that is slopped out to market, often many months later than promised, with insufficient quantity, with unresolved defects, without sufficient QC and shoddy warranty service.

 

I absolutely still prefer 1dpc motherboards but the options are almost non-existent and the one or two options available now are designed in a careless, reckless and haphazard manner, without adequate regard for overall functionality. (This is true of most motherboards now, regardless of how many memory slots they have.) When you can get essentially the same performance from a 2dpc board that is a dead giveaway that the 1dpc option was just a half-assed cash grab that was crafted as something to sell to suckers (like me) that dare to hope that they will receive something awesome for their money. I was very disappointed with the X870E Apex, but I expected it to be a disappointment. That is why I cancelled the pre-order several times.I bought it with the hope that I would be wrong, but I wasn't. It may as well have been released as an iTX motherboard.

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is true, but not because I like it or want to. I hate it to put it bluntly. And, this is because almost everything is priced beyond the level of performance the price tag suggests it should offer and most of it delivers very poor value.

 

Here's the thing. In the future you don't need to do anything. Just accept what you get😀 Bright future? 

 

Walmart prepares for a future where AI agents do the shopping

The retail giant is exploring ways to make its products appealing not just to human customers, but also to the AI bots that may soon be making purchasing decisions on behalf of consumers.

 

 

5090 just looks cheaper and cheaper for every new release. I wouldn't be surprised see the better AMD xx60 class cards above $600 incl tax.

AMD RX 9060 XT price leaks in European stores, and you won't like it because it confirms your worst fears.