*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

AMD CAN run hot but Nvidia pushing the TDP 575w AND removing the hot spot sensor can't just be a coincidence nor limited to the FE edition.

 

It comes down to cooler design and fan profiles too for the 9070xt:

 

Previous gen aka 4090 had access to 600W vbios. Even Nvidias own FE card. Would be nice to see if the RTX 6000 Pro have the hot spot monitoring. But I doub't it. At least Nvidia gave the 6000 Pro access to lowering the Power limits well below what you can do with 5090. So there is some differences. But why not for the 5090 ?

 

 

Here is what @Mr. Fox looks for when he want to buy new gen processors. And Intel will offer in loads.... Better iGPU and more baby cores than ever. Can you really ask for more?🤐

Nova Lake-S could benefit from a hybrid GPU architecture

 

And AMD learn everything from Nvidia. Or do they?

AMD has limited Radeon RX 9060 XT 8GB sampling based on ‘regional market deman

[tps3443]

On 6/4/2025 at 1:23 PM, johnksss said:

I'm starting to think @tps3443 is doing a little side work for Nvidia as hard as he is pushing this FE card. The card is the  bottom of the barrel. It always has been, that is why it is the cheapest to buy, but also usually the hardest to mod because Nvidia is in control and after each rendition of cards they take what they have learned from us in the forums and make their cards that much harder to crack. Nvidia does not like to RMA GPU's, they want them to be sold once and not returned for 4 more under sketchy warranties of.... it died while idling, but forgot to mention that a drip of water landed on the PCB while the card was "idling"😂

5090FE is fine man. If I didn't like it, I would not keep it that's for sure lol!  I had a 4090 Gaming OC and @johnksss that thing was cheap as hell, flimsy, light weight, and loud as hell with bad coil whine, but not this card, this card feels nice and premium and heavy etc. So, it's okay for $1,999.99  (People do try to convince me that my own GPU sucks though, they do not like it, that I like it I guess 🤣) Last I checked, Astral+Block = $4,000, too much for me to afford. But at least they perform TOP NOTCH once you water block it, flash it, and solder it.. Yes, the FE's have weak coolers; I cannot hold that against it. It's going on water/shunt anyways. I mean, your Astral is probably faster than an RTX Pro 6000, but that doesn't mean it's better than one.  FE's have weak coolers but not weak cores. Definitely an acceptable GPU for the price tag and performance. 

Card scores perfectly acceptable for a stock cooler, hot, non-shunted 5090 FE. Plenty of other 5090's that cannot hit these numbers out there, and this is the hottest one you can buy. 🥵


NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 video card benchmark result - Intel Xeon W-3175X Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG DOMINUS EXTREME

[Mr. Fox]

46 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

5090FE is fine man. If I didn't like it, I would not keep it that's for sure lol!  I had a 4090 Gaming OC and @johnksss that thing was cheap as hell, flimsy, light weight, and loud as hell with bad coil whine, but not this card, this card feels nice and premium and heavy etc. So, it's okay for $1,999.99  (People do try to convince me that my own GPU sucks though, they do not like it, that I like it I guess 🤣) Last I checked, Astral+Block = $4,000, too much for me to afford. But at least they perform TOP NOTCH once you water block it, flash it, and solder it.. Yes, the FE's have weak coolers; I cannot hold that against it. It's going on water/shunt anyways. I mean, your Astral is probably faster than an RTX Pro 6000, but that doesn't mean it's better than one.  FE's have weak coolers but not weak cores. Definitely an acceptable GPU for the price tag and performance. 

Card scores perfectly acceptable for a stock cooler, hot, non-shunted 5090 FE. Plenty of other 5090's that cannot hit these numbers out there, and this is the hottest one you can buy. 🥵


NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 video card benchmark result - Intel Xeon W-3175X Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG DOMINUS EXTREME

I'm glad you don't care what other people think. That is how it should be. It only matters if it affects them and this doesn't. The fact that you like it is all that matters. There are some people that make their decisions based on what their friends think is best or coolest, (without anything else to base it on,) which is really dumb.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

5090FE is fine man. If I didn't like it, I would not keep it that's for sure lol!  I had a 4090 Gaming OC and @johnksss that thing was cheap as hell, flimsy, light weight, and loud as hell with bad coil whine, but not this card, this card feels nice and premium and heavy etc. So, it's okay for $1,999.99  (People do try to convince me that my own GPU sucks though, they do not like it, that I like it I guess 🤣) Last I checked, Astral+Block = $4,000, too much for me to afford. But at least they perform TOP NOTCH once you water block it, flash it, and solder it.. Yes, the FE's have weak coolers; I cannot hold that against it. It's going on water/shunt anyways. I mean, your Astral is probably faster than an RTX Pro 6000, but that doesn't mean it's better than one.  FE's have weak coolers but not weak cores. Definitely an acceptable GPU for the price tag and performance. 

Card scores perfectly acceptable for a stock cooler, hot, non-shunted 5090 FE. Plenty of other 5090's that cannot hit these numbers out there, and this is the hottest one you can buy. 🥵


NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 video card benchmark result - Intel Xeon W-3175X Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG DOMINUS EXTREME

 

35 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I'm glad you don't care what other people think. That is how it should be. It only matters if it affects them and this doesn't. The fact that you like it is all that matters. There are some people that make their decisions based on what their friends think is best or coolest, (without anything else to base it on,) which is really dumb.

 

lol, you do know we're just teasing ya @tps3443 right? I consider you a friend, and I know with my friends we constantly joke around with each other. 🤣

 

I agree with @Mr. Fox. Buy what you want and enjoy it for your own personal reasons. I've made plenty of left field purchases some questioned. I just let them know if they wanted to foot the bill I'd be open to listening to and using their personal recommendation. Remember when I was the only sucker, er, enthusiast who picked up a KPE 3090ti? 🤣🤑

 

And you clearly know how I feel about the 5090FE. SFF dream card with great aesthetics. You know when my VPA pops and/or BB drop, I'm grabbing one and maybe two and bin them for best for a SFF.

 

 

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

5090FE is fine man. If I didn't like it, I would not keep it that's for sure lol!  I had a 4090 Gaming OC and @johnksss that thing was cheap as hell, flimsy, light weight, and loud as hell with bad coil whine, but not this card, this card feels nice and premium and heavy etc. So, it's okay for $1,999.99  (People do try to convince me that my own GPU sucks though, they do not like it, that I like it I guess 🤣) Last I checked, Astral+Block = $4,000, too much for me to afford. But at least they perform TOP NOTCH once you water block it, flash it, and solder it.. Yes, the FE's have weak coolers; I cannot hold that against it. It's going on water/shunt anyways. I mean, your Astral is probably faster than an RTX Pro 6000, but that doesn't mean it's better than one.  FE's have weak coolers but not weak cores. Definitely an acceptable GPU for the price tag and performance. 

Card scores perfectly acceptable for a stock cooler, hot, non-shunted 5090 FE. Plenty of other 5090's that cannot hit these numbers out there, and this is the hottest one you can buy. 🥵


NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 video card benchmark result - Intel Xeon W-3175X Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG DOMINUS EXTREME

But that is what everyone says about everything? If I didn't like it I wouldn't keep it.

 

If that is the case, I would expect far more for my 2000, for as heavy and premium as you say the card is, but then say the cooling is crap. So i'm kind of at a lost on that part.

 

I'm not here to convince you my friend, that your GPU sucks. As I have been down this road with many other ideas I have had over there years and people have said worse. (AC on laptop or pointing in case at GPU or using a water chiller before that was even a thing) And boy did people have nonsense to say. You either buy what you want or you buy what you can afford and that's it. All the rationalizing in the world just means a person can't really afford it. Example: And this went for something as cheap as 50 cent cheeseburgers at McDonalds. Those things are like 3 bucks now.

 

Astral + Alphacool Block + 2 year Accidental Warranty cost me 3,771.36. Potential loss at the end of the day? About $600. That's why I look at it differently. Now if I sell the block then that 600 drops lower. If I give it to @Mr. Fox then the price stays about the same.

 

The astral is not faster at stock for stock for the very obvious reason that the Pro 6000 has more Cuda cores automatically makes it faster at stock. Over clockers are not getting the card to bench it stock. So if that card can not get past the 600W max, then it's just a 10,000 dollar "Hey look at me I spent 10K so I can say I have better stock numbers" card is just foolish. If you bought it to just game/Ai/work and the occasional benchmarks and said nothing, then it's your money and buy what you want. Why? Because that person is not bragging about it. So until that card is unlocked/shunted/modded and cooled, it's just another GPU in the world of over clocking for numbers. And at this point I'm pretty sure no one wants to be represented by Nvidia in the world of over clocking because Nvidia would just take what the people showed them to make it better....A way to lock it down further. Just like Dell/Alienware did. 

 

Unfortunately those scores are not acceptable in my book, but that is my opinion, but they are acceptable for gaming. A shunted card doing 16,6K in Steel Nomad is crazy to me. Again, only my opinion. If I'm gaming I would not even bother shunting it. And in reality, this is like the 2nd card I have shunted in 17 years. I would rather not have to do that. 

 

That last line is debatable as that is based on user.

 

But I will keep hope alive in that they figure out why the shunt is not working as intended, but I would recommend them not sharing that in the open forums or the next FE will be locked down even further. These are facts and not opinions.

 

Edit:

It's not Nvidia as a whole, it's mainly these old timers at the top that do not want to go outside there're comfort zone. Like any company their are a bunch of bright minds that get stifled because of that BS seniority rule. So new ideas do not get seen or past on to the customer. I saw this first hand with Clevo. Not everyone at Nvidia wants to follow Jensen and senior staff, but when it comes to running your mouth or keeping your job....Those people would rather keep their jobs.

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

lol, you do know we're just teasing ya @tps3443 right? I consider you a friend, and I know with my friends we constantly joke around with each other. 🤣

Yes, I am sure he does know. He has to know he is our buddy and we think very highly of him. But even so, sometimes a guy feels like an underdog if everyone has a different opinion. The important thing is that a person doesn't change his opinion based only on what others think in order to have their approval or feel accepted in the echo chamber, but it is OK to change it because you have changed your mind as an exercise of your own volition. 

[johnksss]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, I am sure he does know. He has to know he is our buddy and we think very highly of him. But even so, sometimes a guy feels like an underdog if everyone has a different opinion. The important thing is that a person doesn't change his opinion based only on what others think in order to have their approval or feel accepted in the echo chamber, but it is OK to change it because you have changed your mind as an exercise of your own volition. 

@tps3443 is making want to go buy another Astral right now and run it at stock just to see what it gets today. LOL I would do an FE, but that card is like a 4 leaf clover at our Micro Center.😂 

[tps3443]

23 minutes ago, johnksss said:

But that is what everyone says about everything? If I didn't like it I wouldn't keep it.

 

If that is the case, I would expect far more for my 2000, for as heavy and premium as you say the card is, but then say the cooling is crap. So i'm kind of at a lost on that part.

 

I'm not here to convince you my friend, that your GPU sucks. As I have been down this road with many other ideas I have had over there years and people have said worse. (AC on laptop or pointing in case at GPU or using a water chiller before that was even a thing) And boy did people have nonsense to say. You either buy what you want or you buy what you can afford and that's it. All the rationalizing in the world just means a person can't really afford it. Example: And this went for something as cheap as 50 cent cheeseburgers at McDonalds. Those things are like 3 bucks now.

 

Astral + Alphacool Block + 2 year Accidental Warranty cost me 3,771.36. Potential loss at the end of the day? About $600. That's why I look at it differently. Now if I sell the block then that 600 drops lower. If I give it to @Mr. Fox then the price stays about the same.

 

The astral is not faster at stock for stock for the very obvious reason that the Pro 6000 has more Cuda cores automatically makes it faster at stock. Over clockers are not getting the card to bench it stock. So if that card can not get past the 600W max, then it's just a 10,000 dollar "Hey look at me I spent 10K so I can say I have better stock numbers" card is just foolish. If you bought it to just game/Ai/work and the occasional benchmarks and said nothing, then it's your money and buy what you want. Why? Because that person is not bragging about it. So until that card is unlocked/shunted/modded and cooled, it's just another GPU in the world of over clocking for numbers. And at this point I'm pretty sure no one wants to be represented by Nvidia in the world of over clocking because Nvidia would just take what the people showed them to make it better....A way to lock it down further. Just like Dell/Alienware did. 

 

Unfortunately those scores are not acceptable in my book, but that is my opinion, but they are acceptable for gaming. A shunted card doing 16,6K in Steel Nomad is crazy to me. Again, only my opinion. If I'm gaming I would not even bother shunting it. And in reality, this is like the 2nd card I have shunted in 17 years. I would rather not have to do that. 

 

That last line is debatable as that is based on user.

 

But I will keep hope alive in that they figure out why the shunt is not working as intended, but I would recommend them not sharing that in the open forums or the next FE will be locked down even further. These are facts and not opinions.

 

Edit:

It's not Nvidia as a whole, it's mainly these old timers at the top that do not want to go outside there're comfort zone. Like any company their are a bunch of bright minds that get stifled because of that BS seniority rule. So new ideas do not get seen or past on to the customer. I saw this first hand with Clevo. Not everyone at Nvidia wants to follow Jensen and senior staff, but when it comes to running your mouth or keeping your job....Those people would rather keep their jobs.

 

 @johnksss That FE cooler is a 2 slot cooler, so while it is nice, 2 slot doesn’t cool as well as 3+ slots (You know this). But I think all air coolers are gonna suck at the end of the day when trying to bench right? 

So that dudes shunted FE would need to be on a chiller for some better scores. 
 

Is your Astral on a chiller right? 
 

I am merely saying, I think someone with a 5090FE chilled can squeeze some nice scores. Not saying it’s the fastest in the world. But it’s cheaper. 

[Mr. Fox]

I think all off-the-shelf GPUs that are not a K|NGP|N or Galax HOF are going to suck and fall short of their potential to some degree. The Astral we can all buy will never be all it can be with the firmware that it comes with, just as a K|NGP|N or HOF fall short with stock firmware. They are all gimped and only the Chosen Ones get special firmware for publicity stunts. The rest of us are never gifted with an opportunity to compete with the Chosen Ones because it's all rigged, planned and designed for publicity stunts. The rest of us get to practice soldering skills and are forced to rely on warranty-voiding hardware mods to try to make up for crappy firmware that comes from the factory on the overpriced lipstick on a pig products we buy in hopes of getting our money's worth.

[tps3443]

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

I think all GPUs that are not a K|NGP|N or Galax HOF are going to suck and fall short of their potential. They are all gimped and only the Chosen Ones get special firmware for publicity stunts. The rest of us are never gifted with an opportunity to compete with the Chosen Ones because it's all rigged, planned and designed for publicity stunts.

You have what you have, and I’m working with what I’ve got to work with. In my situation it’s not the fastest 5090 in the world, I have a msrp 5090FE, and a waterblock on the way for it! But I’m going to break 17K+ Steel Nomad with this card. It’s going to be really fun to try. Seems doable to me though.
 

 

[johnksss]

Just now, tps3443 said:

 @johnksss That FE cooler is a 2 slot cooler, so while it is nice, 2 slot doesn’t cool as well as 3+ slots (You know this). But I think all air coolers are gonna suck at the end of the day when trying to bench right? 

So that dudes shunted FE would need to be on a chiller for some better scores. 
 

Is your Astral on a chiller right? 
 

I am merely saying, I think someone with a 5090FE chilled can squeeze some nice scores. Not saying it’s the fastest in the world. But it’s cheaper. 

In the words of everyone here....Form over fashion my friend.

And all air cooler cards do not suck, just because they don't cool a card down to 30C. Not sure how this has become stand practice now. Cards run in the 70's at some people houses. And max is what 88C or something like that?

 

Yes and no. I ran mine without a chiller and still got better numbers. 17699 to be exact. All I had were fans. I keep trying to tell you, it's Nvidia blocking the performance.

 

My Astral is on chiller now. And I gained about 450 points with block and chiller. So nothing fancy there, but then I know why it's not higher.

 

Everyone on planet earth knew the FE was always cheaper, I thought that was a given? 

 

I sure hope so, because right now, that card does not look promising when it comes to benching numbers, but gaming... it's great. If that card can't crack 17k shunted on stock cooler then there is a problem. And I don't think it's the user. Just my opinion. Still hoping you crack to code so we can see it move into the 17k range.🙂

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I keep trying to tell you, it's Nvidia blocking the performance.

100%. That's what they do. They do it at the hardware/firmware level and they can do even more with cancer drivers. They've always been that way. I still remember and resent their clock-blocked crap on notebooks about 10 years ago using drivers. If you wanted to play games that required the new driver then you were SOL on overclocking. Very scummy.

[johnksss]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

100%. That's what they do. They do it at the hardware/firmware level and they can do even more with cancer drivers. They've always been that way. I still remember and resent their clock-blocked crap on notebooks about 10 years ago using drivers. If you wanted to play games that required the new driver then you were SOL on overclocking. Very scummy.

Brother TPS wasn't with us back when we use to have conference calls with Dell to make the M18X 1 and 2 better? When they blocked us and locked all back doors? Then asked to chat some more about the A18X2 after they locked the A18X1? Or with Clevo and Sager when Clevo shut down Sager trying to help us get mods implemented?

[Papusan]

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

100%. That's what they do. They do it at the hardware/firmware level and they can do even more with cancer drivers.

 

They've always been that way. I still remember and resent their clock-blocked crap on notebooks about 10 years ago using drivers. If you wanted to play games that required the new driver then you were SOL on overclocking. Very scummy.

 

This. Nvidia can just stop the card from function properly afterwards with just the geforce driveres.... I look at you Maxwell (Nvidia killed voltage tuning with newer drivers and the voltage slider is greyed out/not working anymore even with kingpin cards and their own XOC software). And people want/need newer drivers as months goes, so.... Isn't that nicly done by Nvidia? And I'm 100% sure Nvidia could easly open up the max vram cap for 5000 series cards with their drivers if they wanted (this will overide any firmware lock). Both for desktop cards and those castrated soldered chips (better word for BGA) for Jokebooks.

[electrosoft]

I've been playing around with OC'ing this 9070xt and I'm not seeing much.

 

GB cards come out of the box OC'd fairly well with boosting to 3ghz. Pushed to a ~-75 UV and PL to max, it's pulling 360w+ with spikes over 400w for a whopping gain of......1-2fps.

 

The hot spot is toasty though and the gaming OC is actually one of the smaller 9070xt cards out there. It would qualify for an SFF build too.

 

I actually lost a few fps in performance with the 25.5.1 drivers vs 25.4.1. I did just install 25.6.1 so I'll give them a whirl later.

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I've been playing around with OC'ing this 9070xt and I'm not seeing much.

 

GB cards come out of the box OC'd fairly well with boosting to 3ghz. Pushed to a ~-75 UV and PL to max, it's pulling 360w+ with spikes over 400w for a whopping gain of......1-2fps.

 

The hot spot is toasty though and the gaming OC is actually one of the smaller 9070xt cards out there. It would qualify for an SFF build too.

 

I actually lost a few fps in performance with the 25.5.1 drivers vs 25.4.1. I did just install 25.6.1 so I'll give them a whirl later.

 

That behavior mirrors mine almost exactly in terms of clocks, watts and performance. I often see a few higher FPS using a -75 UV with the power limit left to default rather than maxed out power limit.

 

It looks like the Alphacool CORE block for the Gigabyte Gaming and Elite GPUs will be available mid to end of July. It is in production but not yet available for purchase.