*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

33 minutes ago, johnksss said:

 

 

It would appear you didn't have a chance while the card was on air either. (This is called being petty and didn't need to be said. Hoping you start to understand what I'm getting at.)

No EVC and no water cooling.

 

This whole scenario was not what I was looking for. Not even close. I was genuinely hoping to see you push the card using your skillset. A brother from notebooktalk showing the rest of the world how the 5090FE runs in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing. That way we know it's true potential. To many folks not knowing how to overclock or setup OS's or have the right tools for the job. That's what I was looking for. Not all the excuses on why you can't beat other AIB cards. That wasn't even the topic of discussion. And the fact that you keep throwing around how much you paid for your card and water block. Is just kind of crazy my friend. I can reword that whole downplaying of how much you spent into a completely different light, but I choose not to. I don't do my friends like that. I'm not here to clown, just want to know what the card can do from someone I trust. That's it. No hidden agendas.

I do not think it's as fast as other AIB cards. FE has a slight handicap with bios and clock speed. No, I am not really putting that much effort into it I suppose. I do not think I am the right person to push an FE to that level. 🙂

[johnksss]

10 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I do not think it's as fast as other AIB cards. FE has a slight handicap with bios and clock speed. No, I am not really putting that much effort into it I suppose. I do not think I am the right person to push an FE to that level. 🙂

Well my friend, we all here DO think you are the man for the job! Take your time, figure it out. We have nothing but time and we trust you will crack it or be the one sitting on top when then dust clears for the FE. We have faith!

 

Wish you still had your KS setup, then we would have a better understanding, but we work with the cards we are dealt until a new hand arises.

[Reciever]

This was not what I was expecting to see on the forum today @electrosoft lol 

 

Things may be finally looking up on my end of things, a sizeable promotion in one hand, and an enticing job offer I'll be interviewing for on Tuesday through a friend of mine. Its nice to have favorable options on the table.

 

Assuming I dont lose both options I'll be looking forward building myself a MO-RA as a congratulatory boon.

[Talon]

23 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Yeah it does not make sense to omit benchmark data collected, especially considering the amount of time it takes to generate. He did have to completely redo his tests with the laptop 5090 because of the bugged power limit in early drivers.

 

Nvidia is having a rough time selling the 5090 mobile. I am surprised it is not 200W as I have seen it pulling over 30k in Timespy shunted. Maybe a theoretical 9070M would be close enough to make them bump the magical PL barrier up a notch in January!

 

9955HX3D from Eluktronics is supposed to be released next month. I think they are going to try and get as much tuning unlocked on it as possible, along with the new 140W PPT that AMD allows which is much greater than the 100W we got with the 7945HX3D.

 

On another note, I know you had mentioned 285K a few times here and there. Have you looked at any Z890 boards? I was thinking about testing an Asrock Taichi OCF with a 285K and see how it does with the 5090 compared to the Xeon.

 

If you don't nee the cores, get the 265KF at Microcenter shipped nation wide for $210. Best deal on a CPU I've seen in a long time. 265K is same silicon quality as 285K with 4 less E cores. It's like they downclocked the P cores just to make a new SKU. But My 265K clocked as high, if not higher on P cores than my 285K, and same on E cores. It actually ahs lower latency just due to the design of the chip that cannot be mimicked on the 285K, no matter which E cores you disable.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

If you don't nee the cores, get the 265KF at Microcenter shipped nation wide for $210. Best deal on a CPU I've seen in a long time. 265K is same silicon quality as 285K with 4 less E cores. It's like they downclocked the P cores just to make a new SKU. But My 265K clocked as high, if not higher on P cores than my 285K, and same on E cores. It actually ahs lower latency just due to the design of the chip that cannot be mimicked on the 285K, no matter which E cores you disable.

 

Sheesh, that is a sick price.

 

$210 + $371 for an open box Apex (when they pop on da egg) looks pretty righteous atm.

 

 

[win32asmguy]

8 hours ago, Talon said:

 

If you don't nee the cores, get the 265KF at Microcenter shipped nation wide for $210. Best deal on a CPU I've seen in a long time. 265K is same silicon quality as 285K with 4 less E cores. It's like they downclocked the P cores just to make a new SKU. But My 265K clocked as high, if not higher on P cores than my 285K, and same on E cores. It actually ahs lower latency just due to the design of the chip that cannot be mimicked on the 285K, no matter which E cores you disable.

 

That is very interesting. Why is the latency better on the 265K? Also the numbers for cache do no add up. 3x8MB per P-core and 3x4MB per e-core should be 32MB total instead of 30MB. Either way the price of the 265K at $270 is significantly less than $560 for the 285K.

 

15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

That Schenker Neo 16 is an absolute beast with the 9955HX3D (time stamped) 

 

Note: Lacking 7945HX3D results again even on NotebookCheckReviews..... that can't be a coincidence. They also conveniently omitted 4090 results too but had 4080 and even 14900HX results. It's subtle BS like this that irks me.

 

Interestingly enough the AMD Neo 16 ships with lower latency Kingston Fury 2x16GB 5600 CL40 modules which is significantly better than most other units they had reviewed. For a while I think they had even compared it to an Intel 275HX Neo which was using the 6400 CL52 CSODIMMs.

 

Speaking of laptop memory Prema is validating the Eluktronics Manix 2x16GB CSODIMM kit with an XMP profile that should decently close the gap with desktop arrow lake memory. I do not know timings but this was a resulting Timespy run:

 

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/56560323

 

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Sheesh, that is a sick price.

 

$210 + $371 for an open box Apex (when they pop on da egg) looks pretty righteous atm.

 

 

I think I would still opt for the Taichi OCF as its less risky than getting a damaged open box board and having to ship it back and forth for replacement. Unless the Apex has some specific features that make it better than the Taichi.

[Papusan]

 

Nvidia open up for an possible 5080Ti/5090DD. Because the 5080 refresh as the Super is only a minor upgrade. So virtually no performance improvements.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 SUPER: An RTX 5080 with more memory

 

The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 SUPER is primarily a disappointment because it doesn't close any performance gaps with the GeForce RTX 5090. According to well-known leaker kopite7kimi . We are looking at the same graphics chip as the RTX 5080, we are talking about the NVIDIA GB203 , although in its GB203-350-A1 version. The biggest problem is that it offers the same configuration of 10,752 CUDA Cores , 336 Tensor Cores and 84 RT Cores. That is, there is no improvement.

 

 

The only real upgrade this gen from Nvidia is the 5070 Super... More vram and a small upgrade for cuda cores. But welcomen when you see the other Super SKUs useless upgrades.

 

The GeForce RTX 5070 SUPER is said to come with only 6,400 CUDA Cores and… 18GB of VRAM.

 

According to well-known leaker kopite7kimi , the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 SUPER will arrive with the NVIDIA GB205-400-A1 graphics chip . This chip will offer a 6,400 CUDA Cores configuration , which is only 256 more CUDA Cores than the GeForce RTX 5070.

[tps3443]

No burning yet. 880w cook out on 20 loops on my FE. Cable reached a whopping 41c at the hottest point. This is a very unrealistic scenario. I haven’t seen any games use this much power as Steel Nomad. Typically gaming is 400-775 watts. Full tilt 3.3Ghz. It’s okay at 880 watts, then gaming is probably fine. Might be okay with the 12v-2x6. 🥳
 

 

 

 

 

 

[johnksss]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

No burning yet. 880w cook out on 20 loops on my FE. Cable reached a whopping 41c at the hottest point. This is a very unrealistic scenario. I haven’t seen any games use this much power as Steel Nomad. Typically gaming is 400-775 watts. Full tilt 3.3Ghz. It’s okay at 880 watts, then gaming is probably fine. Might be okay with the 12v-2x6. 🥳
 

 

 

 

 

 

As long as the connector is below 100C+ you should be fine. I have mine set for 70C(Using Wireview Pro), but it sits in the 30's to 40's range, but as @Papusan has mentioned before... Mine needs a fan pointed at the connector.

[Mr. Fox]

37 minutes ago, johnksss said:

As long as the connector is below 100C+ you should be fine. I have mine set for 70C(Using Wireview Pro), but it sits in the 30's to 40's range, but as @Papusan has mentioned before... Mine needs a fan pointed at the connector.

We have always been anxious about a CPU or GPU hitting 100°C (boiling point) but now we have to worry about these chintzy half-assed 12VHPWR cables even with the CPU and GPU temps totally under control. Thermal whack-a-mole.

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

As long as the connector is below 100C+ you should be fine. I have mine set for 70C(Using Wireview Pro), but it sits in the 30's to 40's range, but as @Papusan has mentioned before... Mine needs a fan pointed at the connector.

100c on the connector? I wouldn’t trust that. I feel like if a cable is at 100c it could runaway on you quickly. That’s already 212F. But I do remember reading that 100c was okay. 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

We have always been anxious about a CPU or GPU hitting 100°C (boiling point) but now we have to worry about these chintzy half-assed 12VHPWR cables even with the CPU and GPU temps totally under control. Thermal whack-a-mole.

 

 

I don’t think it’s that chintzy. Pulling 880+ watts on a single wire it’s good. 🤩 We can’t do that on an 8pin unless we like hard power shutdowns. I do think these cables are sensitive though. 
 

I think the internet has also just made us really paranoid. So it’s something me and others check now 😕. GPU temp check, memory temp check, wire temp check 🥴

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t think it’s that chintzy. Pulling 880+ watts on a single wire it’s good. 🤩 We can’t do that on an 8pin unless we like hard power shutdowns. I do think these cables are sensitive though. 
 

I think the internet has also just made us really paranoid. So it’s something me and others check now 😕. GPU temp check, memory temp check, wire temp check 🥴

I never had any issues at all with power shutdowns or melted GPU connectors using 3x8 or 4x8 pin connectors and I've pulled as much or more power from them than almost anyone running 4090 or 5090 today. One 8-pin certainly would not have worked, but this wasn't a replacement for a single 8-pin connector. Most of the 12VHPWR cables use the same or even a smaller gauge wire and instead of 8 x 3 (24) or 8 x 4 (32) wires you're pushing all the current through 12 smaller wires. So to me that is chintzy. Excessive heat is a self-fulfilling prophecy and we should be surprised at the small miracle that there haven't been more melted connectors than there have been. But, it sure does look cute, with just one dainty little connector. I am still baffled that anyone could think such a connector being used to carry so much current was a bright idea. Downright stupid IMHO. People got their pockets lined off of this scam. I'm sure PSU sales hit new highs. Something new that nobody needed, but they thought they did. Or they were made to believe they did. Newer is always better newer. Sometimes (often) newer is garbage. 12VHPWR connector is garbage.

[tps3443]

54 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I never had any issues at all with power shutdowns or melted GPU connectors using 3x8 or 4x8 pin connectors and I've pulled as much or more power from them than almost anyone running 4090 or 5090 today. One 8-pin certainly would not have worked, but this wasn't a replacement for a single 8-pin connector. Most of the 12VHPWR cables use the same or even a smaller gauge wire and instead of 8 x 3 (24) or 8 x 4 (32) wires you're pushing all the current through 12 smaller wires. So to me that is chintzy. Excessive heat is a self-fulfilling prophecy and we should be surprised at the small miracle that there haven't been more melted connectors than there have been. But, it sure does look cute, with just one dainty little connector. I am still baffled that anyone could think such a connector being used to carry so much current was a bright idea. Downright stupid IMHO. People got their pockets lined off of this scam. I'm sure PSU sales hit new highs. Something new that nobody needed, but they thought they did. Or they were made to believe they did. Newer is always better newer. Sometimes (often) newer is garbage. 12VHPWR connector is garbage.

I never had any issues with melted 12Vhpwr, (Not that I know of) I’m curious if anyone on here melted a connector yet. Sometimes negativity is very good publicity. Der8auer and Gamernexus touched on this before in one of their videos about this connector. We’re definitely reaching in to a new realm of GPU power which is pretty damn extreme to be honest. I know that 8 pin PCIe connectors have melted in the past as well. But unfortunately we now have this 12vhpwr so fingers crossed 🤞 let’s hope 800w+ holds up @Mr. Fox 
 

You got to see this video @Mr. Fox (It’s a good laugh)😆 
 

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Most of the 12VHPWR cables use the same or even a smaller gauge wire and instead of 8 x 3 (24) or 8 x 4 (32) wires you're pushing all the current through 12 smaller wires

 

Hmm. Wire gauge become thincker the lower numbers. 12V-HPWR cables use 16 gauge. Exactly same gauge as older 8-pin cables from an quality PSU. But the pitch is different vs the good 8-pins connectors. Hence the old 8-pin connectors can run colder. Aka more space beween the pins. The damn 12+4 pin connector is alll too small and tiny. Should have been double the size. And with more space between the pins. This way they could use thicker pins with more spacing in between in the terminals and thicker wires as etc 14 gauge copper wires for the cable. 6x12V power pins is enough if you make the connector properly from the beginning. But now it's too late make a real major change for the tiny trash 😞

 

The term "pitch" typically refers to the distance between pins in a connector, like a 2.54mm pitch in a DuPont connector. The 12V-2x6 doesn't have a standard pin pitch. The pitch of the 12V-2x6 connector, also known as the 12VHPWR connector, refers to the distance between the center of one pin to the center of the next pin. 

 

Edit. From Jonny Guru...  In reality, those 8-pin connectors can handle more current because you have 4.2mm pitch terminals vs. 3.0 pitch and they're spread out more which helps dissipate heat.

 

 

This is nice. When you feel you got an amazing deal paying MSRP🥴

RTX 5000 graphics cards get deep discounts at Newegg — RTX 5070, 5060 Ti, and 5060 all fall to low prices ahead of Prime Day

[tps3443]

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmm. Wire gauge become thincker the lower numbers. 12V-HPWR cables use 16 gauge. Exactly same gauge as older 8-pin cables from an quality PSU. But the pitch is different vs the good 8-pins connectors. Hence the old 8-pin connectors can run colder. Aka more space beween the pins. The damn 12+4 pin connector is alll too small and tiny. Should have been double the size. And with more space between the pins.

 

The term "pitch" typically refers to the distance between pins in a connector, like a 2.54mm pitch in a DuPont connector. The 12V-2x6 doesn't have a standard pin pitch. The pitch of the 12V-2x6 connector, also known as the 12VHPWR connector, refers to the distance between the center of one pin to the center of the next pin. 

 

 

This is nice. When you feel you got an amazing deal paying MSRP🥴

RTX 5000 graphics cards get deep discounts at Newegg — RTX 5070, 5060 Ti, and 5060 all fall to low prices ahead of Prime Day

The worst thing that would suck about a melted connector is the work and down time..Re-mount air cooler, mail in, then wait forever. 🫠