*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

This is status while Nvidia still struggle fix weird bugs with loads of hotfix drivers patching previous hot fix drivers released a week before for their latest and greatest released a half year ago. On top nvidia haven't much time for previous gen graphics cards as 2000/3000/4000 series due all their problems with latest gen 5000 series cards. Yep, this while AMD now put more resources on improving performance for Radeon cards.

 

 

 

Once Nvidia is out with the Super cards (refresh to make more money) then expect new rounds with WHQL drivers neeeding loads of hotfix drivers making havoc in their whole GPU stack. Often with week between them being released.

AMD’s Latest Drivers Improve Radeon RX 9070 XT’s Performance By Up To 27%; GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Is Now Slower Overall....

 

 

49 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

This always seems to be the AMD process. The drivers always mature better and they tend to end up with more performance as time goes on......usually.

 

I lost a smidge of performance from 25.4 to 25.5 but got it back with 25.6.1 so it will be nice to see if this improves it even more.

 

I'm very happy with the 9070xt especially in WoW. Something I thought I would NEVER say about AMD lately. Back in the day though the 5700xt was an absolute 2560x1600p banger of a card though. I'm personally glad to see them back to a monolithic design.

 

 

I just watched this video this morning on the same subject. Now they just need to figure out thermals.

 

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

I just watched this video this morning on the same subject. Now they just need to figure out thermals.

 

You still have a 4090 right? 

[Mr. Fox]

55 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

You still have a 4090 right? 

Yes, it is in my AORUS Master build. It is my best GPU. 4090 Suprim with Core GPU block.

[win32asmguy]

On 7/1/2025 at 9:30 AM, electrosoft said:

Look at Dream Machine's X3D 5090:

 

Nice reviews. Eventually we should get some good details on how Eluktronics variants of AMD and Intel do. I am disappointed that MSI will not sell 9955HX3D + QHD+ 240hz + 5090. Their loss to neglect users who do not want UHD+ or their miniLED without FALD option. The prices on the AMD Raider 18 are still rediculous anyways. Nobody should be paying that much for what it is.

 

The AMD chip would have to be significantly better than the 275HX to be worth trying to swap to it. I guess it should at least be superior in memory latency.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

The AMD chip would have to be significantly better than the 275HX to be worth trying to swap to it. I guess it should at least be superior in memory latency.

Memory latency... AMD > Intel... "Oh how the mighty have fallen..." Until Core Ultra screwed everything up AMD was the suckiest at memory latency. Chiplets/tiles/CCDs suck. The fabric needed to cobble the mess together adds a layer of undesirable crappiness. First AMD then Intel. Monkey see, monkey do.

[johnksss]

On 7/1/2025 at 1:37 PM, tps3443 said:

Hopefully 1,105 watts GPU power holds up then. 😆

 

 

When you did the shunt mod, did you double it or did you use a different mohm for a different value?

[tps3443]

23 minutes ago, johnksss said:

When you did the shunt mod, did you double it or did you use a different mohm for a different value?

Doubled

[johnksss]

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Doubled

okay. And did you check the "actual mohm" value before you put the card back together?

If 1100W is to be believed, then you should show about 1400W+ from the wall.

 

Edit:

Depending on your voltage on the rails. Lets say 11.8V. And your amps, lets say 95A. That's what would be needed for 1100+ watts. Not counting loss.

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Nice reviews. Eventually we should get some good details on how Eluktronics variants of AMD and Intel do. I am disappointed that MSI will not sell 9955HX3D + QHD+ 240hz + 5090. Their loss to neglect users who do not want UHD+ or their miniLED without FALD option. The prices on the AMD Raider 18 are still rediculous anyways. Nobody should be paying that much for what it is.

 

The AMD chip would have to be significantly better than the 275HX to be worth trying to swap to it. I guess it should at least be superior in memory latency.

 

I looked into MSI too for a down the road potential and I don't understand why they're not offering a QHD+ variant of their flagship 9955HX3D. Toss in making mLED the only option and insane asking price ($5099?!) and they just basically removed this year's version from my list even down the road. 5090 Mobile is decent relatively speaking but not much of an upgrade over 4090 mobile. Timespy GPU,  It is basically a desktop 5070 in normal operating conditions (~23k) and I'm not looking to push that on a 4k display. I think the screen is capped to 120hz anyhow? Just a bunch of swinging and missing.

 

On the other hand, the 285hx variant with QHD+ is down to $3299.99 at Microcenter so you're saving ~35% and getting a QHD option and yes in certain games the 9950HX3D is going to light it up, but overall? You still get the MSI open bios options too so I would snatch up the MSI 285HX over the 9955HX3D all day everyday even with Intel somewhat Ultra woes.

 

I just wish Eluktronics offered an 18" version but I've been contemplating picking up a portable 24" 1080p 100hz+ panel for travel/gaming along with a wireless KB/M and if that is the case, a 16" would be just fine and probably make the travel case easier to manage.

 

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On the 5090 front, saw more open box 5090 Astrals for $2687.99 AND Masters for $2399.99 on BB last night.....

 

If an Open box Windforce pops up for $21111.20 I might have to cave 🤣

 

What we will never see (but can dream) is a few open box 5090FE's for $1799.99. 😁

 

I'm noticing prices are coming down a lot on hardware across the board or going on sale more frequently....

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

If an Open box Windforce pops up for $21111.20 I might have to cave 🤣

 

🤐🙄 🤔 

 

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I'm noticing prices are coming down a lot on hardware across the board or going on sale more frequently....

 

Yup, for US. Not here. Maybe the tariff war force people re-think what they buy. At least they can return it within the return window. 

 

Edit. Not great time spend a lots of money you don't have. Damn sad see the direction it heads... I have seen the middle class in US will get 1% lower taxes from the ‘One Big Beautiful Bill’. Some even less. But above $200.000 and you may get 4% less tax. The winners is as always the rich that don't need to return what they already bought.

 

+10% tariffs and increased inflation from it on top of that are hard to bear/swallow. 1-3% less tax won't help much to lower the pain. The best pain-killer is as always to return what you shouldn't buy in first place. And hope you get back your money.

[electrosoft]

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

 

🤐🙄 🤔 

 

And if it pops up in fair condition for $1847.30 I'd definitely cave and pick it up. After points that's  $1754.94!

 

🤣

[tps3443]

48 minutes ago, johnksss said:

okay. And did you check the "actual mohm" value before you put the card back together?

If 1100W is to be believed, then you should show about 1400W+ from the wall.

 

Edit:

Depending on your voltage on the rails. Lets say 11.8V. And your amps, lets say 95A. That's what would be needed for 1100+ watts. Not counting loss.

I don’t know how much pwr it’s actually pulling. Never hits pwr limiter anymore, so I’m happy. 12v stays at 12.1v-12.4v underload but that’s based on GPUz/hwinfo. 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t know how much pwr it’s actually pulling. Never hits pwr limiter anymore, so I’m happy. 12v stays at 12.1v-12.4v underload but that’s based on GPUz/hwinfo. 

 

You don't have a kil-O-watt or comparable wall meter device?

 

 

[electrosoft]

New 5090 brand new low price....

 

PNY and Zotac coming back to reality....

 

PNY ARGB which at one point was $3499.99 is now down to $2599.99

PNY  OC Edition which at one point was $3299.99 is now down to $2499.99

 

MSI and Zotac are heading down too....

 

These are NEW and SEALED prices....

 

[win32asmguy]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I looked into MSI too for a down the road potential and I don't understand why they're not offering a QHD+ variant of their flagship 9955HX3D. Toss in making mLED the only option and insane asking price ($5099?!) and they just basically removed this year's version from my list even down the road. 5090 Mobile is decent relatively speaking but not much of an upgrade over 4090 mobile. Timespy GPU,  It is basically a desktop 5070 in normal operating conditions (~23k) and I'm not looking to push that on a 4k display. I think the screen is capped to 120hz anyhow? Just a bunch of swinging and missing.

 

On the other hand, the 285hx variant with QHD+ is down to $3299.99 at Microcenter so you're saving ~35% and getting a QHD option and yes in certain games the 9950HX3D is going to light it up, but overall? You still get the MSI open bios options too so I would snatch up the MSI 285HX over the 9955HX3D all day everyday even with Intel somewhat Ultra woes.

 

I just wish Eluktronics offered an 18" version but I've been contemplating picking up a portable 24" 1080p 100hz+ panel for travel/gaming along with a wireless KB/M and if that is the case, a 16" would be just fine and probably make the travel case easier to manage.

 

There is no reason MSI could not offer a Raider 18 config with 9955HX3D, 5090M, QHD+ 240hz, 2x16GB and 2TB Gen4 SSD for ~$3500 or less. Going beyond single rank with memory is silly for a gaming system and paying for overpriced Gen5 OEM SSD's is just as bad. Also should have a vapor chamber too. They are just too disconnected from what their customer base would want to see these poor config choices.

 

The Intel Raider 18 is definitely interesting with its further price drop. It also has a TB5 port that is MUXed to the iGPU in hybrid mode which is essentially why I did not stay with the 14th Gen + 4090 systems. The Hydroc G2 has that as well though and to be honest its build quality is better, it is more portable which is nice as I take it to work each day along with traveling. I also am eager to try out the Premamod bios which should be available soon. MSI does have unlocked advanced options but that does not mean it has bugs or other weird stuff fixed. Lets not even talk about the stupid RGB zone rainbow defaults they use now...

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

You don't have a kil-O-watt or comparable wall meter device?

 

 

I don’t have one. 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t have one. 

Well that's surprising. Get some. I have 5 of them. Be sure to get one with a backlight that stays turned on all the time. The Kill-A-Watt brand sucks because it has no backlight. There are some with a backlight that only turns on temporarily when you press a button. Those suck for the same reason.

 

If you want to get really fancy you can program the cost per kW/h to project the cost of operation, but I don't waste my time with nonsense like that.

 

These are my favorite. Big letters and very clean and legible  from across the room, with a backlight that never turns off. It also has an internal battery and remembers what you set it to. No need to reapply all of your settings any time the power goes out or you move it to a new outlet.

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09BQNYMMM?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1&th=1

 

  

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

New 5090 brand new low price....

 

PNY and Zotac coming back to reality....

 

PNY ARGB which at one point was $3499.99 is now down to $2599.99

PNY  OC Edition which at one point was $3299.99 is now down to $2499.99

 

MSI and Zotac are heading down too....

 

These are NEW and SEALED prices....

 

Prices are a little bit less retarded now. Still unacceptable and hard for me to rationalize a legitmate basis for buying one. If the least expensive models drop below $2000 I may consider buying one. I won't buy a 5090 unless the price is the same or less than what I paid for the Gigabyte 4090 that I sold. Not worth it IMHO. I'm not really benching much anymore and I don't care about having more game FPS than I already have. I find so little free time to devote to gaming that there isn't much incentive to buy one at such over-the-top idiotic prices. Anything less than 5090 that the Green Goblin has to offer is of no interest to me. I might consider the frivolous purchase of a 5080 at 9070 XT pricing. Otherwise, no... the juice isn't worth the squeeze and I'd feel like I was volunteering to get screwed.

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

New 5090 brand new low price....

 

PNY and Zotac coming back to reality....

 

PNY ARGB which at one point was $3499.99 is now down to $2599.99

PNY  OC Edition which at one point was $3299.99 is now down to $2499.99

 

MSI and Zotac are heading down too....

 

These are NEW and SEALED prices....

 

 

Maybe the prices for RTX 5050 should be lowered as well. Asus want wopping $289 for their best custom 5050 card. Of course Nvidia didn't want a review of these graphics cards. At least the brand new 5050 can beat the old RTX 3060 released 4.5 years ago. That's something, Huhhh.

 

The New Game Changer is up in tests....

After another review-less launch, the first RTX 5050 benchmarks are here — Nvidia's budget card loses to B580 and RTX 4060, with only multi frame generation to give it a boost

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t have one. 

 

I'm kinda surprised. A wall meter is bread and butter for most overclockers and enthusiasts. I've had several since 2008? 2009? First was the classic Kill-A-Watt model.  I even posted my first YT video back in 2010 using one showing the original Alienware M15x pulling 190w+ power under load when someone on the old forums said I was lying and no way does it pull more than 150w so a bigger PSU wasn't needed when I said the 150w PSU was inadequate even for a stock model. That was my original straight from Dell 920xm w/ 260m stock model pulling that much lol.

 

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well that's surprising. Get some. I have 5 of them. Be sure to get one with a backlight that stays turned on all the time. The Kill-A-Watt brand sucks because it has no backlight. There are some with a backlight that only turns on temporarily when you press a button. Those suck for the same reason.

 

If you want to get really fancy you can program the cost per kW/h to project the cost of operation, but I don't waste my time with nonsense like that.

 

These are my favorite. Big letters and very clean and legible  from across the room, with a backlight that never turns off. It also has an internal battery and remembers what you set it to. No need to reapply all of your settings any time the power goes out or you move it to a new outlet.

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09BQNYMMM?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1&th=1

 

  

Prices are a little bit less retarded now. Still unacceptable and hard for me to rationalize a legitmate basis for buying one. If the least expensive models drop below $2000 I may consider buying one. I won't buy a 5090 unless the price is the same or less than what I paid for the Gigabyte 4090 that I sold. Not worth it IMHO. I'm not really benching much anymore and I don't care about having more game FPS than I already have. I find so little free time to devote to gaming that there isn't much incentive to buy one at such over-the-top idiotic prices. Anything less than 5090 that the Green Goblin has to offer is of no interest to me. I might consider the frivolous purchase of a 5080 at 9070 XT pricing. Otherwise, no... the juice isn't worth the squeeze and I'd feel like I was volunteering to get screwed.

 

Yeah, a wall meter is almost mandatory to validate screen readings sometimes.... I figured he had one laying around.

 

And watching the prices continue to fall really reminds me of the 3090ti launch at $1999.99 and watching prices rapidly fall like crazy when the Crypto market went BOOM.

 

Pricing is getting saner and like I told @Papusan if they hit ~$2100 (or lower) I'm most likely back in the game even an open box I'd give a whirl. People return items all the time and it isn't always because of binning.

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Maybe the prices for RTX 5050 should be lowered as well. Asus want wopping $289 for their best custom 5050 card. Of course Nvidia didn't want a review of these graphics cards. At least the brand new 5050 can beat the old RTX 3060 released 4.5 years ago. That's something, Huhhh.

 

The New Game Changer is up in tests....

After another review-less launch, the first RTX 5050 benchmarks are here — Nvidia's budget card loses to B580 and RTX 4060, with only multi frame generation to give it a boost

 

Yikes....

 

If it was sub $200 I could give it a pass but anything else? again, yikes....

[Vasudev]

Any Zen3+/4/5 mobile users having issues with mixed single core and multicores after June updates on Windows 11? Battery life took a hit. I've been updating my old devices with latest firmwares and drivers. 

Customized Power Profiles aren't saved and gets reverted every reboot on 23H2/24H2 with 8840HS. Everything is updated.

The problem is offline OS servicing which takes almost 2 hrs even though HWINFO/HWMon shows CPU works at max 5.1GHz and all core perf 3.8-4GHz. Generally feels slow because during April/May the same tasks completed within 30 mins with ReFS/NTFS Dev Drive as well with normal NTFS partitions. Currently even with same setup it feels slow. I have tried changing turbo boost mode from aggressive to efficient aggressive on AC and disabled it on battery. Gaming with eGPU now yields good FPS without reaching 96C and maxes out at 86C.

 

I switched to Bazzite NVIDIA GPU ISO and noticed idle and operating temps were under 50C and 75C. I couldn't try my eGPU and battery life was very less 2-2.5hrs. Checked few forums and Framework user forums and people said there's lot of missed firmware updates pending with bleeding edge fedora and can improve 7840U/8840 series with stellar battery life 10-12hrs.

 

I actually added my custom power profile at github https://github.com/vasudev-gm/Ryzen_CustomPowerProfiles

 

[johnksss]

13 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t know how much pwr it’s actually pulling. Never hits pwr limiter anymore, so I’m happy. 12v stays at 12.1v-12.4v underload but that’s based on GPUz/hwinfo. 

Hummm, 1100W from an FE seems pretty high....

Here is one of mine ran on my gaming drive. It does not come close to what GPUZ reads up top

 

[Mr. Fox]

49 minutes ago, Vasudev said:

Any Zen3+/4/5 mobile users having issues with mixed single core and multicores after June updates on Windows 11? Battery life took a hit. I've been updating my old devices with latest firmwares and drivers. 

Customized Power Profiles aren't saved and gets reverted every reboot on 23H2/24H2 with 8840HS. Everything is updated.

The problem is offline OS servicing which takes almost 2 hrs even though HWINFO/HWMon shows CPU works at max 5.1GHz and all core perf 3.8-4GHz. Generally feels slow because during April/May the same tasks completed within 30 mins with ReFS/NTFS Dev Drive as well with normal NTFS partitions. Currently even with same setup it feels slow. I have tried changing turbo boost mode from aggressive to efficient aggressive on AC and disabled it on battery. Gaming with eGPU now yields good FPS without reaching 96C and maxes out at 86C.

 

I switched to Bazzite NVIDIA GPU ISO and noticed idle and operating temps were under 50C and 75C. I couldn't try my eGPU and battery life was very less 2-2.5hrs. Checked few forums and Framework user forums and people said there's lot of missed firmware updates pending with bleeding edge fedora and can improve 7840U/8840 series with stellar battery life 10-12hrs.

 

I actually added my custom power profile at github https://github.com/vasudev-gm/Ryzen_CustomPowerProfiles

 

Hey bro. Hope all is well. I do not know if anyone in this thread is an AMD-powered laptop user. There might be one.

[Vasudev]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hey bro. Hope all is well. I do not know if anyone in this thread is an AMD-powered laptop user. There might be one.

Yeah I'm good. Thanks Mr Fox. I did check with few notebook work and gaming reviewers and they didn't have this issue. It's only a year and the problem with Ryzen is lack of system tools that can give precisely what's going on i.e Ryzen matter, UXTU etc don't work. I do miss TS now.

[jaybee83]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well that's surprising. Get some. I have 5 of them. Be sure to get one with a backlight that stays turned on all the time. The Kill-A-Watt brand sucks because it has no backlight. There are some with a backlight that only turns on temporarily when you press a button. Those suck for the same reason.

 

If you want to get really fancy you can program the cost per kW/h to project the cost of operation, but I don't waste my time with nonsense like that.

 

These are my favorite. Big letters and very clean and legible  from across the room, with a backlight that never turns off. It also has an internal battery and remembers what you set it to. No need to reapply all of your settings any time the power goes out or you move it to a new outlet.

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09BQNYMMM?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1&th=1

 

 

 

ha, got the exact same model 😄 

[Papusan]

16 hours ago, electrosoft said:

New 5090 brand new low price....

 

PNY and Zotac coming back to reality....

 

PNY ARGB which at one point was $3499.99 is now down to $2599.99

PNY  OC Edition which at one point was $3299.99 is now down to $2499.99

 

MSI and Zotac are heading down too....

 

These are NEW and SEALED prices....

 

 

Right in time before prices start stabilizes at bottom and may go creep upwards again. And I expect Nvidia will prioritize 5090D v2 for China. 24GB vram cards for 5090 prices for China at +$2000 is also a huge win. And only god knows how many real 5090 will be smuggled into China when the people see they being scammed by Nvidia with the v2. 24GB vram cards for $2000 is hard to swallow. The Blackwell gen cards will stay here yet another two years, so.... Keep track of inventory of "cheap" gamer cards to maximize profits is damn important task. 

 

NVIDIA is also preparing for a new AI accelerator for China as well, that would be a Blackwell-based GDDR7 solution, so the focus will be shifted towards this market segment. These SKUs paired with the dumbed down 5090 will keep the wheels running busy at the factories.

 

Also 3GB memory chips will surely fly off the shelves for premium/inflated prices once China has figured out how to make them work with 5090's.

 

NVIDIA Rumored To Slash GeForce RTX 50 Production To Prioritize AI Chips

NVIDIA has been busy with its AI chips in a world with rapidly increasing demand, to quench the thirst of heavily invested tech corporations. And as such, it may further reduce GeForce RTX 50 series GPU production to focus even more on its more profitable data center products.

 

How much of a reduction are we talking about? As spotted on Gazlog/Chiphell by WCCFTECH, its said total inventory levels may decrease by as much as 30%, which can mean higher prices are likely here to stay for the foreseeable future. Assuming the report is accurate, of course.

 

 

From greed to managing the world of technology...
The US administration (government) sold their soul for rare earth metals. I hope this is wrong and not correct. 

US lifts China's export ban on chip designs: They need its rare earths

 

This has an immediate impact . Through software, Chinese companies can restart stalled projects , improve existing designs, and plan new chips competitively.