*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Micro Center also has the Z890 Apex for ~$294. The Unify would be nice but its a lot of trouble to change around boards unless there is a good benefit to it.

 

The Z890 Apex + 285K I bought from Talon was finally delivered today. Hopefully can test out this evening!

Nice. That is a great price for the Apex.

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Micro Center also has the Z890 Apex for ~$294. The Unify would be nice but its a lot of trouble to change around boards unless there is a good benefit to it.

 

The Z890 Apex + 285K I bought from Talon was finally delivered today. Hopefully can test out this evening!

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice. That is a great price for the Apex.

 

Unfortunately my "local" MC (local = 70min drive) never had them in stock even at the $399.99 price quoted before. 😞

 

They do have the Z890 Maximus for $399.99 but....eh.....

 

I'm hoping this $176 Stix-A with all the subsequent BIOS updates will get 'er done. I'll make sure to drop down to G4 just in case it fails in G2 to remove the 265k from the equation if the first stab at G2 fails.

 

Dream scenario is these 9200 sticks and the strix can do 8600-9000 so I can focus on the CPU and a few potential 265k binning or 270k/290k binning.

 

If the Strix-A is the problem it will be sent back and I'll have to pick up something a bit stronger....

 

Sheesh, that took forever but glad it arrived safe and sound. Let us know how it goes.

 

 

 

[Papusan]

3DM Time Spy Extreme - https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/147608138

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_time_spy_extreme/submissions/5940329?recalculate=true&matomoUri=%2F%2Fmatomo.hwbot.org%2F

[Rage Set]

 

So this guy is obviously bias towards Intel (he always has been), but for him to select 8000MTs RAM and claim it isn't an overclock - but to select 5600MTs for AMD doesn't make any sense. I wrote the following

 

"I really don't understand your RAM OC reasoning - as the Z890 chipset default RAM speed is 6400MTs but you picked 8000MTs. Anything above 6400MTs is considered an OC and yet with X870E, you chose 5600MTs which is the X870E's chipset's default. I will point out that even with a kit of 6000MTs ram, the 9700X will lose out to the 265K (you can't beat a CPU with more cores)."

 

He points out in the video he is doing it, essentially, for comment engagement, but there are actual people that don't understand that 8000MTs isn't promised and still considered an OC - even with Intel's Boost Profile. 

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

So this guy is obviously bias towards Intel (he always has been), but for him to select 8000MTs RAM and claim it isn't an overclock - but to select 5600MTs for AMD doesn't make any sense. I wrote the following

 

"I really don't understand your RAM OC reasoning - as the Z890 chipset default RAM speed is 6400MTs but you picked 8000MTs. Anything above 6400MTs is considered an OC and yet with X870E, you chose 5600MTs which is the X870E's chipset's default. I will point out that even with a kit of 6000MTs ram, the 9700X will lose out to the 265K (you can't beat a CPU with more cores)."

 

He points out in the video he is doing it, essentially, for comment engagement, but there are actual people that don't understand that 8000MTs isn't promised and still considered an OC - even with Intel's Boost Profile. 

 

 

 

Isn't it infuriating when the bias is clear in these videos for CPU comparisons? Either run default vs default EXPO vs XMP based on actual AMD/Intel speeds or take the time to properly test and OC each platform with similar levels of overclocking. I'm fine either way, but be consistent.

 

The problem is 99% of viewers won't go over the fine print or even care. They run right to the results and move along.

 

One reason I still watch FrameChasers and especially BlackBirdTech is they push max tuning on each so you can actually see the end product if both are OC'd within reason to gather some data for your own analysis.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

So this guy is obviously bias towards Intel (he always has been), but for him to select 8000MTs RAM and claim it isn't an overclock - but to select 5600MTs for AMD doesn't make any sense. I wrote the following

 

"I really don't understand your RAM OC reasoning - as the Z890 chipset default RAM speed is 6400MTs but you picked 8000MTs. Anything above 6400MTs is considered an OC and yet with X870E, you chose 5600MTs which is the X870E's chipset's default. I will point out that even with a kit of 6000MTs ram, the 9700X will lose out to the 265K (you can't beat a CPU with more cores)."

 

He points out in the video he is doing it, essentially, for comment engagement, but there are actual people that don't understand that 8000MTs isn't promised and still considered an OC - even with Intel's Boost Profile. 

It looks as though some of those replying to your comments on the video are stupid Redditor trolls.

47 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Isn't it infuriating when the bias is clear in these videos for CPU comparisons? Either run default vs default EXPO vs XMP based on actual AMD/Intel speeds or take the time to properly test and OC each platform with similar levels of overclocking. I'm fine either way, but be consistent.

 

The problem is 99% of viewers won't go over the fine print or even care. They run right to the results and move along.

 

One reason I still watch FrameChasers and especially BlackBirdTech is they push max tuning on each so you can actually see the end product if both are OC'd within reason to gather some data for your own analysis.

Many of the YouTube "influencers" do not know much when it comes to overclocking, which is bad because most of the viewing audience know even less. Like the vision-impaired leading the blind.

 

This is a steal if anyone is interested.

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29538697/

 

 

[Talon]

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

So this guy is obviously bias towards Intel (he always has been), but for him to select 8000MTs RAM and claim it isn't an overclock - but to select 5600MTs for AMD doesn't make any sense. I wrote the following

 

"I really don't understand your RAM OC reasoning - as the Z890 chipset default RAM speed is 6400MTs but you picked 8000MTs. Anything above 6400MTs is considered an OC and yet with X870E, you chose 5600MTs which is the X870E's chipset's default. I will point out that even with a kit of 6000MTs ram, the 9700X will lose out to the 265K (you can't beat a CPU with more cores)."

 

He points out in the video he is doing it, essentially, for comment engagement, but there are actual people that don't understand that 8000MTs isn't promised and still considered an OC - even with Intel's Boost Profile. 

 

 

It’s because he’s using the Intel 200S Boost profile which is official and warranties for 8000MTs. AMD has no such official warrantied profile. While I do agree it’s not fair, it’s a fair call in that one offers that profile fully covered by warranty and one does not. 
 

Also he’s not Intel biased IMO. His channel just focuses on more workstation and creator tasks and not shilling 1080p low gaming benchmarks as if it’s the only task that matters. Those Intel excel at given they aren’t selling 8 cores as mainstream like AMD has been for years now. 8 core is the Intel quad core of years past. At one time those other outlets shit on 1080p gaming, called 1440p mainstream in 2017 when Ryzen arrived and focused heavily on creator and workstation tasks in reviews. Today it’s all about low settings 1080p gaming for them. 
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, Talon said:

It’s because he’s using the Intel 200S Boost profile which is official and warranties for 8000MTs. AMD has no such official warrantied profile. While I do agree it’s not fair, it’s a fair call in that one offers that profile fully covered by warranty and one does not. 
 

Also he’s not Intel biased IMO. His channel just focuses on more workstation and creator tasks and not shilling 1080p low gaming benchmarks as if it’s the only task that matters. Those Intel excel at given they aren’t selling 8 cores as mainstream like AMD has been for years now. 8 core is the Intel quad core of years past. At one time those other outlets shit on 1080p gaming, called 1440p mainstream in 2017 when Ryzen arrived and focused heavily on creator and workstation tasks in reviews. Today it’s all about low settings 1080p gaming for them. 

The way things seem to be heading for us with absurd RAM and GPU prices, 1080p low settings might become the new mainstream because it would cost $10K to build a PC with respectable specs. The badasses will be rocking 8GB DDR5 6000 C38 (2x4GB) with Samsung or Micron ICs and a 5060 for $3500.

[Talon]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The way things seem to be heading for us with absurd RAM and GPU prices, 1080p low settings might become the new mainstream because it would cost $10K to build a PC with respectable specs. The badasses will be rocking 8GB DDR5 6000 C38 (2x4GB) with Samsung or Micron ICs and a 5060 for $3500.

It’s disgusting lol. 
 

I picked up 2 sets of 2x32gb 6000 CL30 Gskill A-Die kits from Microcenter over the last couple years for $160 open box lol. Both run 6000 CL28 on my 9800X3D when tested. Both overclock to around 7400 CL34 on Intel rigs which is insane for dual ranked kits. 
 

I have so many DDR5 kits I don’t need to worry lol. 

[Mr. Fox]

Off topic, but tech-related: Nice to see them squirming... eff the EU... LOL. They should all be ignoring EU fines and sanctions and telling them to stuff it up their tailpipe and go to the hot place where bad dead people go.

 

[Rage Set]

2 minutes ago, Talon said:

It’s because he’s using the Intel 200S Boost profile which is official and warranties for 8000MTs. AMD has no such official warrantied profile. While I do agree it’s not fair, it’s a fair call in that one offers that profile fully covered by warranty and one does not. 
 

Also he’s not Intel biased IMO. His channel just focuses on more workstation and creator tasks and not shilling 1080p low gaming benchmarks as if it’s the only task that matters. Those Intel excel at given they aren’t selling 8 cores as mainstream like AMD has been for years now. 8 core is the Intel quad core of years past. At one time those other outlets shit on 1080p gaming, called 1440p mainstream in 2017 when Ryzen arrived and focused heavily on creator and workstation tasks in reviews. Today it’s all about low settings 1080p gaming for them. 
 

 

 

No need to explain to me about Intel's Boost profile, brother. I well aware of it and its benefits. My point is his angle of the entire situation. The creator states his reasons for enabling the profile, but at the end of the day, it is still an OC - even if it is an official one. I would have called him out if he used PBO on AMD and not enabled any kind of profile on Intel. 

 

Let's not pretend Intel is selling these processors at a lower price due to goodness of their heart. They are not selling because AMD stole their lunch. That is why Intel is forced to sell the 200 series at a lower price. They aren't bad processors and I actually recommended them to a lot of people before RAM prices jumped. If you really enjoy RAM overclocking, they are MUCH better than AMD.

 

You are correct, AMD is behaving a lot like Intel did during the 6000 to 8000 series. Hopefully, Intel dropkicks them into gear with Nova Lake...which appears like it is going to happen. 

 

Lastly, the creator does tends to favor Intel in mainstream. This is the same guy that was recommending the 13900K/14900K when those products were having instability issues. He constantly gets called out about it.

 

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The way things seem to be heading for us with absurd RAM and GPU prices, 1080p low settings might become the new mainstream because it would cost $10K to build a PC with respectable specs. The badasses will be rocking 8GB DDR5 6000 C38 (2x4GB) with Samsung or Micron ICs and a 5060 for $3500.

 

Same for ssd's for gamers/consumers. Prices go up and people will now buy lower capacity ssd's. Same with prebuilt computers(desktops and Jokebooks). Even next gen smartphones will come with lower capacity memory/storage. Less is more. Isn't it for modern tech? And if you can't afford even an lower capacity modern ssd... The option is to go back to spinning hardrives. But buy them now. Because prices will go up on everything. 

 

 

Btw. It could be smart going with cheaper,still more expensive lower end hardware forwards. Because you may need save the extra money to pay the ever increasing electricity bill. 

Elizabeth Warren, other U.S. senators concerned about big tech pushing up electricity costs

 

After Gobbling Up DRAM, NVIDIA & SK hynix Plan to Introduce an “AI SSD” With 10× Higher Performance, Ringing Alarms Over NAND Supply

 

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

You are correct, AMD is behaving a lot like Intel did during the 6000 to 8000 series. Hopefully, Intel dropkicks them into gear with Nova Lake...which appears like it is going to happen. 

 

I hope Nova lake doesn't follow same pathern as the Jokebook sibling... But sure you'll get an much better iGPU and NPU. 

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[tps3443]

Hey friends just a quick note. I used Microsoft Copilot to help with some more undervolting profiles. And it actually works very well and gives good numbers very quickly, it makes it a little faster too than testing each profile. So far this method works with my GPU.
 

I told MS Copilot that my 5090 can run Furmark 4K at 3,082Mhz@940mv and it can run the same test at 3,322Mhz@1075mv. So then I can quickly ask it “what frequency” it can run at every other voltage point in between. 

 

It told me 3190@995mv, which also works perfectly fine.
 

I type it in, and it runs it completely stable lol. 
 

It helps to know the top and low with your GPU of course. And you must be keying in 100% stable high/low profiles. You might have a profile that seems stable, but crashes in games after 3 or 4 hours. 

[win32asmguy]

On 12/15/2025 at 7:28 PM, electrosoft said:

Unfortunately my "local" MC (local = 70min drive) never had them in stock even at the $399.99 price quoted before. 😞

 

They do have the Z890 Maximus for $399.99 but....eh.....

 

I'm hoping this $176 Stix-A with all the subsequent BIOS updates will get 'er done. I'll make sure to drop down to G4 just in case it fails in G2 to remove the 265k from the equation if the first stab at G2 fails.

 

Dream scenario is these 9200 sticks and the strix can do 8600-9000 so I can focus on the CPU and a few potential 265k binning or 270k/290k binning.

 

If the Strix-A is the problem it will be sent back and I'll have to pick up something a bit stronger....

 

Sheesh, that took forever but glad it arrived safe and sound. Let us know how it goes.

 

Ah, there is one in stock at the Denver store (also a 60min drive for me) but it appears to be out of stock at most other locations.

 

I got the Z890 Apex + 285K swapped today. Enabled 200S boost for now which resulted in around 42k in CBR23 and 71.5ns in AIDA64 (8000 CL40). Also getting over 110fps in heavy raids so it is already outperforming the 12900KS by 25% (90fps) and the L9i G10 by 100% (55ps). I need to run the Hydroc G2 through the same as well to see where it lands. It can be tuned but still no word on the Prema bios being available despite it being 6 months after release.

 

From what I read on OCN the Strix is supposed to be a very good alternative to the Apex.

 

I need to get an M.2 adapter for my Optane drive so I can attach it to CPU PCIe lanes instead of PCH.

[Reciever]

9 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

No need to explain to me about Intel's Boost profile, brother. I well aware of it and its benefits. My point is his angle of the entire situation. The creator states his reasons for enabling the profile, but at the end of the day, it is still an OC - even if it is an official one. I would have called him out if he used PBO on AMD and not enabled any kind of profile on Intel. 

 

Let's not pretend Intel is selling these processors at a lower price due to goodness of their heart. They are not selling because AMD stole their lunch. That is why Intel is forced to sell the 200 series at a lower price. They aren't bad processors and I actually recommended them to a lot of people before RAM prices jumped. If you really enjoy RAM overclocking, they are MUCH better than AMD.

 

You are correct, AMD is behaving a lot like Intel did during the 6000 to 8000 series. Hopefully, Intel dropkicks them into gear with Nova Lake...which appears like it is going to happen. 

 

Lastly, the creator does tends to favor Intel in mainstream. This is the same guy that was recommending the 13900K/14900K when those products were having instability issues. He constantly gets called out about it.

 

 

 

I'm in the same boat, it may be covered by warranty but, it's still an OC profile. A warranty and what it covers doesn't change what is listed on Intel ARC. 

 

Just finished brushing, rinsing, air drying (pc duster) x2 my Pa120se (AM4), NH-D15 (10850k) and Red Devil 7900 XTX. The cost of running open air and a/c unit, dust lol. I did buy another open air frame, should be here in the afternoon. 

 

Probably going to have to switch to one of those multi-tier wire frame shelves. Running out of space on my old' wood chest. 

 

Started outfitting the server box with drives and SDD's. Also replaced the E5-2650's with E5-2697A's in my last dell tower. 

 

I really underestimated the homework for older GPU's and modding vbios, casually going about it for a bit each night before I go to sleep. The time consuming part is going to be backing up all the vbios but maybe I can just do that as I go, we'll see.