*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Micro Center also has the Z890 Apex for ~$294. The Unify would be nice but its a lot of trouble to change around boards unless there is a good benefit to it.

 

The Z890 Apex + 285K I bought from Talon was finally delivered today. Hopefully can test out this evening!

Nice. That is a great price for the Apex.

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Micro Center also has the Z890 Apex for ~$294. The Unify would be nice but its a lot of trouble to change around boards unless there is a good benefit to it.

 

The Z890 Apex + 285K I bought from Talon was finally delivered today. Hopefully can test out this evening!

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice. That is a great price for the Apex.

 

Unfortunately my "local" MC (local = 70min drive) never had them in stock even at the $399.99 price quoted before. 😞

 

They do have the Z890 Maximus for $399.99 but....eh.....

 

I'm hoping this $176 Stix-A with all the subsequent BIOS updates will get 'er done. I'll make sure to drop down to G4 just in case it fails in G2 to remove the 265k from the equation if the first stab at G2 fails.

 

Dream scenario is these 9200 sticks and the strix can do 8600-9000 so I can focus on the CPU and a few potential 265k binning or 270k/290k binning.

 

If the Strix-A is the problem it will be sent back and I'll have to pick up something a bit stronger....

 

Sheesh, that took forever but glad it arrived safe and sound. Let us know how it goes.

 

 

 

[Papusan]

3DM Time Spy Extreme - https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/147608138

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_time_spy_extreme/submissions/5940329?recalculate=true&matomoUri=%2F%2Fmatomo.hwbot.org%2F

[Rage Set]

 

So this guy is obviously bias towards Intel (he always has been), but for him to select 8000MTs RAM and claim it isn't an overclock - but to select 5600MTs for AMD doesn't make any sense. I wrote the following

 

"I really don't understand your RAM OC reasoning - as the Z890 chipset default RAM speed is 6400MTs but you picked 8000MTs. Anything above 6400MTs is considered an OC and yet with X870E, you chose 5600MTs which is the X870E's chipset's default. I will point out that even with a kit of 6000MTs ram, the 9700X will lose out to the 265K (you can't beat a CPU with more cores)."

 

He points out in the video he is doing it, essentially, for comment engagement, but there are actual people that don't understand that 8000MTs isn't promised and still considered an OC - even with Intel's Boost Profile. 

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

So this guy is obviously bias towards Intel (he always has been), but for him to select 8000MTs RAM and claim it isn't an overclock - but to select 5600MTs for AMD doesn't make any sense. I wrote the following

 

"I really don't understand your RAM OC reasoning - as the Z890 chipset default RAM speed is 6400MTs but you picked 8000MTs. Anything above 6400MTs is considered an OC and yet with X870E, you chose 5600MTs which is the X870E's chipset's default. I will point out that even with a kit of 6000MTs ram, the 9700X will lose out to the 265K (you can't beat a CPU with more cores)."

 

He points out in the video he is doing it, essentially, for comment engagement, but there are actual people that don't understand that 8000MTs isn't promised and still considered an OC - even with Intel's Boost Profile. 

 

 

 

Isn't it infuriating when the bias is clear in these videos for CPU comparisons? Either run default vs default EXPO vs XMP based on actual AMD/Intel speeds or take the time to properly test and OC each platform with similar levels of overclocking. I'm fine either way, but be consistent.

 

The problem is 99% of viewers won't go over the fine print or even care. They run right to the results and move along.

 

One reason I still watch FrameChasers and especially BlackBirdTech is they push max tuning on each so you can actually see the end product if both are OC'd within reason to gather some data for your own analysis.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

So this guy is obviously bias towards Intel (he always has been), but for him to select 8000MTs RAM and claim it isn't an overclock - but to select 5600MTs for AMD doesn't make any sense. I wrote the following

 

"I really don't understand your RAM OC reasoning - as the Z890 chipset default RAM speed is 6400MTs but you picked 8000MTs. Anything above 6400MTs is considered an OC and yet with X870E, you chose 5600MTs which is the X870E's chipset's default. I will point out that even with a kit of 6000MTs ram, the 9700X will lose out to the 265K (you can't beat a CPU with more cores)."

 

He points out in the video he is doing it, essentially, for comment engagement, but there are actual people that don't understand that 8000MTs isn't promised and still considered an OC - even with Intel's Boost Profile. 

It looks as though some of those replying to your comments on the video are stupid Redditor trolls.

47 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Isn't it infuriating when the bias is clear in these videos for CPU comparisons? Either run default vs default EXPO vs XMP based on actual AMD/Intel speeds or take the time to properly test and OC each platform with similar levels of overclocking. I'm fine either way, but be consistent.

 

The problem is 99% of viewers won't go over the fine print or even care. They run right to the results and move along.

 

One reason I still watch FrameChasers and especially BlackBirdTech is they push max tuning on each so you can actually see the end product if both are OC'd within reason to gather some data for your own analysis.

Many of the YouTube "influencers" do not know much when it comes to overclocking, which is bad because most of the viewing audience know even less. Like the vision-impaired leading the blind.

 

This is a steal if anyone is interested.

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29538697/

 

 

[Talon]

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

So this guy is obviously bias towards Intel (he always has been), but for him to select 8000MTs RAM and claim it isn't an overclock - but to select 5600MTs for AMD doesn't make any sense. I wrote the following

 

"I really don't understand your RAM OC reasoning - as the Z890 chipset default RAM speed is 6400MTs but you picked 8000MTs. Anything above 6400MTs is considered an OC and yet with X870E, you chose 5600MTs which is the X870E's chipset's default. I will point out that even with a kit of 6000MTs ram, the 9700X will lose out to the 265K (you can't beat a CPU with more cores)."

 

He points out in the video he is doing it, essentially, for comment engagement, but there are actual people that don't understand that 8000MTs isn't promised and still considered an OC - even with Intel's Boost Profile. 

 

 

It’s because he’s using the Intel 200S Boost profile which is official and warranties for 8000MTs. AMD has no such official warrantied profile. While I do agree it’s not fair, it’s a fair call in that one offers that profile fully covered by warranty and one does not. 
 

Also he’s not Intel biased IMO. His channel just focuses on more workstation and creator tasks and not shilling 1080p low gaming benchmarks as if it’s the only task that matters. Those Intel excel at given they aren’t selling 8 cores as mainstream like AMD has been for years now. 8 core is the Intel quad core of years past. At one time those other outlets shit on 1080p gaming, called 1440p mainstream in 2017 when Ryzen arrived and focused heavily on creator and workstation tasks in reviews. Today it’s all about low settings 1080p gaming for them. 
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 minutes ago, Talon said:

It’s because he’s using the Intel 200S Boost profile which is official and warranties for 8000MTs. AMD has no such official warrantied profile. While I do agree it’s not fair, it’s a fair call in that one offers that profile fully covered by warranty and one does not. 
 

Also he’s not Intel biased IMO. His channel just focuses on more workstation and creator tasks and not shilling 1080p low gaming benchmarks as if it’s the only task that matters. Those Intel excel at given they aren’t selling 8 cores as mainstream like AMD has been for years now. 8 core is the Intel quad core of years past. At one time those other outlets shit on 1080p gaming, called 1440p mainstream in 2017 when Ryzen arrived and focused heavily on creator and workstation tasks in reviews. Today it’s all about low settings 1080p gaming for them. 

The way things seem to be heading for us with absurd RAM and GPU prices, 1080p low settings might become the new mainstream because it would cost $10K to build a PC with respectable specs. The badasses will be rocking 8GB DDR5 6000 C38 (2x4GB) with Samsung or Micron ICs and a 5060 for $3500.

[Talon]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The way things seem to be heading for us with absurd RAM and GPU prices, 1080p low settings might become the new mainstream because it would cost $10K to build a PC with respectable specs. The badasses will be rocking 8GB DDR5 6000 C38 (2x4GB) with Samsung or Micron ICs and a 5060 for $3500.

It’s disgusting lol. 
 

I picked up 2 sets of 2x32gb 6000 CL30 Gskill A-Die kits from Microcenter over the last couple years for $160 open box lol. Both run 6000 CL28 on my 9800X3D when tested. Both overclock to around 7400 CL34 on Intel rigs which is insane for dual ranked kits. 
 

I have so many DDR5 kits I don’t need to worry lol. 

[Mr. Fox]

Off topic, but tech-related: Nice to see them squirming... eff the EU... LOL. They should all be ignoring EU fines and sanctions and telling them to stuff it up their tailpipe and go to the hot place where bad dead people go.

 

[Rage Set]

2 minutes ago, Talon said:

It’s because he’s using the Intel 200S Boost profile which is official and warranties for 8000MTs. AMD has no such official warrantied profile. While I do agree it’s not fair, it’s a fair call in that one offers that profile fully covered by warranty and one does not. 
 

Also he’s not Intel biased IMO. His channel just focuses on more workstation and creator tasks and not shilling 1080p low gaming benchmarks as if it’s the only task that matters. Those Intel excel at given they aren’t selling 8 cores as mainstream like AMD has been for years now. 8 core is the Intel quad core of years past. At one time those other outlets shit on 1080p gaming, called 1440p mainstream in 2017 when Ryzen arrived and focused heavily on creator and workstation tasks in reviews. Today it’s all about low settings 1080p gaming for them. 
 

 

 

No need to explain to me about Intel's Boost profile, brother. I well aware of it and its benefits. My point is his angle of the entire situation. The creator states his reasons for enabling the profile, but at the end of the day, it is still an OC - even if it is an official one. I would have called him out if he used PBO on AMD and not enabled any kind of profile on Intel. 

 

Let's not pretend Intel is selling these processors at a lower price due to goodness of their heart. They are not selling because AMD stole their lunch. That is why Intel is forced to sell the 200 series at a lower price. They aren't bad processors and I actually recommended them to a lot of people before RAM prices jumped. If you really enjoy RAM overclocking, they are MUCH better than AMD.

 

You are correct, AMD is behaving a lot like Intel did during the 6000 to 8000 series. Hopefully, Intel dropkicks them into gear with Nova Lake...which appears like it is going to happen. 

 

Lastly, the creator does tends to favor Intel in mainstream. This is the same guy that was recommending the 13900K/14900K when those products were having instability issues. He constantly gets called out about it.

 

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The way things seem to be heading for us with absurd RAM and GPU prices, 1080p low settings might become the new mainstream because it would cost $10K to build a PC with respectable specs. The badasses will be rocking 8GB DDR5 6000 C38 (2x4GB) with Samsung or Micron ICs and a 5060 for $3500.

 

Same for ssd's for gamers/consumers. Prices go up and people will now buy lower capacity ssd's. Same with prebuilt computers(desktops and Jokebooks). Even next gen smartphones will come with lower capacity memory/storage. Less is more. Isn't it for modern tech? And if you can't afford even an lower capacity modern ssd... The option is to go back to spinning hardrives. But buy them now. Because prices will go up on everything. 

 

 

Btw. It could be smart going with cheaper,still more expensive lower end hardware forwards. Because you may need save the extra money to pay the ever increasing electricity bill. 

Elizabeth Warren, other U.S. senators concerned about big tech pushing up electricity costs

 

After Gobbling Up DRAM, NVIDIA & SK hynix Plan to Introduce an “AI SSD” With 10× Higher Performance, Ringing Alarms Over NAND Supply

 

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

You are correct, AMD is behaving a lot like Intel did during the 6000 to 8000 series. Hopefully, Intel dropkicks them into gear with Nova Lake...which appears like it is going to happen. 

 

I hope Nova lake doesn't follow same pathern as the Jokebook sibling... But sure you'll get an much better iGPU and NPU. 

Core Ultra 7 365 Test Sample Gets Geekbenched, Scores Indicate Generational Regression

As of this morning, a mysterious "Lenovo 4810X90100" test platform has produced slightly concerning benchmark scores. The freshly-archived database entry shows a next-gen laptop/notebook being driven by an unreleased Intel Core Ultra 7 365 "Panther Lake-H" mobile processor. Overall Geekbench 6.3 scores—2451 (single-core) and 9714 (multicore)—were swiftly noted down by keen trackers of emerging PC hardware.

[tps3443]

Hey friends just a quick note. I used Microsoft Copilot to help with some more undervolting profiles. And it actually works very well and gives good numbers very quickly, it makes it a little faster too than testing each profile. So far this method works with my GPU.
 

I told MS Copilot that my 5090 can run Furmark 4K at 3,082Mhz@940mv and it can run the same test at 3,322Mhz@1075mv. So then I can quickly ask it “what frequency” it can run at every other voltage point in between. 

 

It told me 3190@995mv, which also works perfectly fine.
 

I type it in, and it runs it completely stable lol. 
 

It helps to know the top and low with your GPU of course. And you must be keying in 100% stable high/low profiles. You might have a profile that seems stable, but crashes in games after 3 or 4 hours. 

[win32asmguy]

On 12/15/2025 at 7:28 PM, electrosoft said:

Unfortunately my "local" MC (local = 70min drive) never had them in stock even at the $399.99 price quoted before. 😞

 

They do have the Z890 Maximus for $399.99 but....eh.....

 

I'm hoping this $176 Stix-A with all the subsequent BIOS updates will get 'er done. I'll make sure to drop down to G4 just in case it fails in G2 to remove the 265k from the equation if the first stab at G2 fails.

 

Dream scenario is these 9200 sticks and the strix can do 8600-9000 so I can focus on the CPU and a few potential 265k binning or 270k/290k binning.

 

If the Strix-A is the problem it will be sent back and I'll have to pick up something a bit stronger....

 

Sheesh, that took forever but glad it arrived safe and sound. Let us know how it goes.

 

Ah, there is one in stock at the Denver store (also a 60min drive for me) but it appears to be out of stock at most other locations.

 

I got the Z890 Apex + 285K swapped today. Enabled 200S boost for now which resulted in around 42k in CBR23 and 71.5ns in AIDA64 (8000 CL40). Also getting over 110fps in heavy raids so it is already outperforming the 12900KS by 25% (90fps), the L9i G10 by 100% (55ps) and Hydroc G2 (D2D 30x, NGU 26x, 6400 CL52 trefi 16k) by 25% (90fps). I need to run the Hydroc G2 through the same as well to see where it lands. It can be tuned but still no word on the Prema bios being available despite it being 6 months after release.

 

From what I read on OCN the Strix is supposed to be a very good alternative to the Apex.

 

I need to get an M.2 adapter for my Optane drive so I can attach it to CPU PCIe lanes instead of PCH.

[Reciever]

9 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

No need to explain to me about Intel's Boost profile, brother. I well aware of it and its benefits. My point is his angle of the entire situation. The creator states his reasons for enabling the profile, but at the end of the day, it is still an OC - even if it is an official one. I would have called him out if he used PBO on AMD and not enabled any kind of profile on Intel. 

 

Let's not pretend Intel is selling these processors at a lower price due to goodness of their heart. They are not selling because AMD stole their lunch. That is why Intel is forced to sell the 200 series at a lower price. They aren't bad processors and I actually recommended them to a lot of people before RAM prices jumped. If you really enjoy RAM overclocking, they are MUCH better than AMD.

 

You are correct, AMD is behaving a lot like Intel did during the 6000 to 8000 series. Hopefully, Intel dropkicks them into gear with Nova Lake...which appears like it is going to happen. 

 

Lastly, the creator does tends to favor Intel in mainstream. This is the same guy that was recommending the 13900K/14900K when those products were having instability issues. He constantly gets called out about it.

 

 

 

I'm in the same boat, it may be covered by warranty but, it's still an OC profile. A warranty and what it covers doesn't change what is listed on Intel ARC. 

 

Just finished brushing, rinsing, air drying (pc duster) x2 my Pa120se (AM4), NH-D15 (10850k) and Red Devil 7900 XTX. The cost of running open air and a/c unit, dust lol. I did buy another open air frame, should be here in the afternoon. 

 

Probably going to have to switch to one of those multi-tier wire frame shelves. Running out of space on my old' wood chest. 

 

Started outfitting the server box with drives and SDD's. Also replaced the E5-2650's with E5-2697A's in my last dell tower. 

 

I really underestimated the homework for older GPU's and modding vbios, casually going about it for a bit each night before I go to sleep. The time consuming part is going to be backing up all the vbios but maybe I can just do that as I go, we'll see. 

[Mr. Fox]

On 12/3/2025 at 10:27 AM, Rage Set said:

 

I am spending a lot of time with CachyOS. We will see if it stays my ongoing distro of choice. My needs are small, I just need Davinci Resolve to run. The 3D printer slicers I use all run on Linux or I can force them to. I've slowly moved away from Windows and I only have it installed on two machines.

On 12/3/2025 at 10:39 AM, Mr. Fox said:

I love how CachyOS looks and feels. It is beautify, but I strongly dislike that it (and Bazzite) are immutable distros. I find it too restrictive dealing with that. I want to do whatever I want to do and it makes it more difficult with an immutable distro. I have tried both and after a few days of dealing with restrictions I said "no thanks" and went back to using distros that let me do whatever I want.

I think I may have misspoken about CachyOS being immutable. I looked into it and see it is NOT an immutable distro. I installed it over Bazzite (which I truly despised) and that may have done something to make it that way. I am going to try it again on a formatted SSD instead of installing using the "replace" option like I did before. (I assumed using the replace option in Linux setup would have wiped the drive, but I am thinking maybe it did not and kept the Bazzite partitioning structure.) If I don't like it then I will just restore my Kubuntu image from Macrium Reflect... easy come, easy go.

[Rage Set]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think I may have misspoken about CachyOS being immutable. I looked into it and see it is NOT an immutable distro. I installed it over Bazzite (which I truly despised) and that may have done something to make it that way. I am going to try it again on a formatted SSD instead of installing using the "replace" option like I did before. (I assumed using the replace option in Linux setup would have wiped the drive, but I am thinking maybe it did not and kept the Bazzite partitioning structure.) If I don't like it then I will just restore my Kubuntu image from Macrium Reflect... easy come, easy go.

 

Well it is an Arch based distro, so all of the power and configuration is there if you don't like CachyOS's developers tweaks. I really love the idea of Arch, but I won't lie and say I am not intimidated by it.

 

I have never tried Bazzite. While I know it supports Intel, I have always thought of it as a distro for AMD. With CachyOS, it works well with mixed PCs (AMD+Nvidia or Intel+AMD and etc). 

 

Again, I do like CachyOS and I am thinking about using it on my main TRX40 workstation. That's going to be a major migration for me, due to all of the drives I have connected. The OS on that workstation is nearly 5 years old. So it might be a good thing to start over.

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Ah, there is one in stock at the Denver store (also a 60min drive for me) but it appears to be out of stock at most other locations.

 

I got the Z890 Apex + 285K swapped today. Enabled 200S boost for now which resulted in around 42k in CBR23 and 71.5ns in AIDA64 (8000 CL40). Also getting over 110fps in heavy raids so it is already outperforming the 12900KS by 25% (90fps), the L9i G10 by 100% (55ps) and Hydroc G2 (D2D 30x, NGU 26x, 6400 CL52 trefi 16k) by 25% (90fps). I need to run the Hydroc G2 through the same as well to see where it lands. It can be tuned but still no word on the Prema bios being available despite it being 6 months after release.

 

From what I read on OCN the Strix is supposed to be a very good alternative to the Apex.

 

I need to get an M.2 adapter for my Optane drive so I can attach it to CPU PCIe lanes instead of PCH.

 

Nice! The wonderful thing is you have a lot left in the tank with that memory for further performance gains / optimizations. 25% more fps is a pretty massive upswing over a 12900ks. How are the 1%/.1%? Did you enable 200S boost only? Have you tried @Talon's manual OC settings on the 285k yet?

 

9200 Memory arrived yesterday and I'm currently crunching it at 8200 (it passed 8000). I'll keep climbing by +200mhz each test cycle to see where it lands before I switch over to G4 for the final verdict "is it the CPU or motherboard?"

 

 

If you're reading this and quietly thinking  "I thought you got 9600 sticks?"

 

The seller only had one set on hand but had listed two. Luckily, he had even one set so at least @win32asmguy was able to get a set!

 

He apologized profusely (I'm a firm believer in snafus happen), so it was all good but he offered me a set of 9200 Corsair sticks at a steep discount (less than half the price MSRP) so these will more than do the trick for my needs since you need unicorn gear to hit G2 9200 anyhow.

 

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Testing these Kingbank vs TG sticks earlier, and the King sticks are definitely better. Could be the TG 8200 sticks are from 2024 and the KB  8400 sticks from 2025 but they can run at tighter timings at 8000 so far vs the TG sticks. Taking a timeout on them atm while I run the 9200 sticks through the ringer.

 

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The bad:

 

Amazon refunded me for that PSU but I couldn't order/get a replacement at the same black friday pricing because of the whole UPS stolen / claim situation. I'll just stick with my $80 Coolmaster SFX 850w PSU for now......

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rage Set]

12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

The bad:

 

Amazon refunded me for that PSU but I couldn't order/get a replacement at the same black friday pricing because of the whole UPS stolen / claim situation. I'll just stick with my $80 Coolmaster SFX 850w PSU for now......

 

While you were made "whole", you loss out on a deal because of UPS. I don't understand why Amazon wouldn't sell you the PSU for the same price, unless they are sold out. The stolen PSU is between them and UPS, the package didn't even make it to you. I would be making a major stink. This is probably why I am watching my order page closely for my 9070XT. Its delivery window is being reduced nearly weekly. It was scheduled for between Dec 26 and Jan 28th. Now it is scheduled for around early Jan. I really hope they don't ship it via UPS.....

 

In other news, I had two sticks of DDR5 die on me. Which is weird. One of the sticks is from Mr. Fox, a generic bare Chinese brand. It was being used in my SFF build. Now one of the sticks I used in my ROG Maximus Z690 Extreme, 14900KS build, died. It's a Trident Z5 6400 32GB (2x16) RAM kit. Tried it in multiple machines and none would boot with it. The bad thing is I have to send both sticks back to G.Skill if I want to RMA it. With the prices of RAM, I don't want them to get "lost or destroyed in the mail". 

 

I never had any RAM die on me, either in my builds or for clients. Again, very weird. I'll keep you guys updated. 

[win32asmguy]

19 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Nice! The wonderful thing is you have a lot left in the tank with that memory for further performance gains / optimizations. 25% more fps is a pretty massive upswing over a 12900ks. How are the 1%/.1%? Did you enable 200S boost only? Have you tried @Talon's manual OC settings on the 285k yet?

 

25% is comparing the 1% lows. The average and max fps is absurdly high. 300-400 maybe? Its less on the 5090 mobile but does not matter as WoW is enjoyable at 120fps for me as long as it is consistent.

 

200S boost only last night as I had to first backup data on the Optane drive, then build the Apex + 285K and get it installed, then reinstall W10, apps and WoW.

 

I do want to try out Talon's settings as well. The power is out today due to high winds / fire risk so may have to wait until tomorrow.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

Well it is an Arch based distro, so all of the power and configuration is there if you don't like CachyOS's developers tweaks. I really love the idea of Arch, but I won't lie and say I am not intimidated by it.

 

I have never tried Bazzite. While I know it supports Intel, I have always thought of it as a distro for AMD. With CachyOS, it works well with mixed PCs (AMD+Nvidia or Intel+AMD and etc). 

 

Again, I do like CachyOS and I am thinking about using it on my main TRX40 workstation. That's going to be a major migration for me, due to all of the drives I have connected. The OS on that workstation is nearly 5 years old. So it might be a good thing to start over.

I had CachyOS installed before on the AORUS Master, but I tried the current and previous distro this morning and the installation failed on three attempts on the Strix. Not sure why, maybe it is the EPYC CPU, but Asus often has issues with Linux for some reason. It was hit or miss on both Z790 Apex and Apex Encore. I will attempt to install CachyOS on the Apex and see if it fails. I had similar issues attempting to install other Linux distros on the Strix and Apex before. The only distro that consistently will install on either one currently is Kubuntu with kernel 6.11 or newer. LTS versions with older kernels fail every attempt.

35 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

While you were made "whole", you loss out on a deal because of UPS. I don't understand why Amazon wouldn't sell you the PSU for the same price, unless they are sold out. The stolen PSU is between them and UPS, the package didn't even make it to you. I would be making a major stink. This is probably why I am watching my order page closely for my 9070XT. Its delivery window is being reduced nearly weekly. It was scheduled for between Dec 26 and Jan 28th. Now it is scheduled for around early Jan. I really hope they don't ship it via UPS.....

 

In other news, I had two sticks of DDR5 die on me. Which is weird. One of the sticks is from Mr. Fox, a generic bare Chinese brand. It was being used in my SFF build. Now one of the sticks I used in my ROG Maximus Z690 Extreme, 14900KS build, died. It's a Trident Z5 6400 32GB (2x16) RAM kit. Tried it in multiple machines and none would boot with it. The bad thing is I have to send both sticks back to G.Skill if I want to RMA it. With the prices of RAM, I don't want them to get "lost or destroyed in the mail". 

 

I never had any RAM die on me, either in my builds or for clients. Again, very weird. I'll keep you guys updated. 

That is very strange. I have purchased defective RAM (DDR4) but never had any RAM sticks die that I can remember. Also odd that one stick on each kit on different machines died so close together in time. The only issues I have had with RAM failures on DDR5 were on the Z690 Unify-X and it was caused by OpenRGB corruptinng the SPD. I had a couple of TeamGroup kits that were ruined by OpenRGB. The second time I figured out what was causing it and used ASUS OCTools to copy the firmware from a good module to the corrupted module installed in the Z690 Apex.

[Rage Set]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I had CachyOS installed before on the AORUS Master, but I tried the current and previous distro this morning and the installation failed on three attempts on the Strix. Not sure why, maybe it is the EPYC CPU, but Asus often has issues with Linux for some reason. It was hit or miss on both Z790 Apex and Apex Encore. I will attempt to install CachyOS on the Apex and see if it fails. I had similar issues attempting to install other Linux distros on the Strix and Apex before. The only distro that consistently will install on either one currently is Kubuntu with kernel 6.11 or newer. LTS versions with older kernels fail every attempt.

That is very strange. I have purchased defective RAM (DDR4) but never had any RAM sticks die that I can remember. Also odd that one stick on each kit on different machines died so close together in time. The only issues I have had with RAM failures on DDR5 were on the Z690 Unify-X and it was caused by OpenRGB corruptinng the SPD. I had a couple of TeamGroup kits that were ruined by OpenRGB. The second time I figured out what was causing it and used ASUS OCTools to copy the firmware from a good module to the corrupted module installed in the Z690 Apex.

 

Interesting - I think I did have OpenRGB on the 14900KS build, but if the module was corrupted - it allowed you to boot? My stick won't let me boot at all. Once I take it out, the PC boots normally. 

[Mr. Fox]

14 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

Interesting - I think I did have OpenRGB on the 14900KS build, but if the module was corrupted - it allowed you to boot? My stick won't let me boot at all. Once I take it out, the PC boots normally. 

It corrupted the stick in the first slot and the system would boot if I moved the good one to the first slot and let the memory train, then turn it off and put the corrupted stick in the second slot. It would not boot at all with the corrupted stick in the first slot. In Windows, the corrupted stick showed everything was erased. This actually happened like 3 times. The first time I did not know what happened and the second and third times I fixed it.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

While you were made "whole", you loss out on a deal because of UPS. I don't understand why Amazon wouldn't sell you the PSU for the same price, unless they are sold out. The stolen PSU is between them and UPS, the package didn't even make it to you. I would be making a major stink. This is probably why I am watching my order page closely for my 9070XT. Its delivery window is being reduced nearly weekly. It was scheduled for between Dec 26 and Jan 28th. Now it is scheduled for around early Jan. I really hope they don't ship it via UPS.....

 

In other news, I had two sticks of DDR5 die on me. Which is weird. One of the sticks is from Mr. Fox, a generic bare Chinese brand. It was being used in my SFF build. Now one of the sticks I used in my ROG Maximus Z690 Extreme, 14900KS build, died. It's a Trident Z5 6400 32GB (2x16) RAM kit. Tried it in multiple machines and none would boot with it. The bad thing is I have to send both sticks back to G.Skill if I want to RMA it. With the prices of RAM, I don't want them to get "lost or destroyed in the mail". 

 

I never had any RAM die on me, either in my builds or for clients. Again, very weird. I'll keep you guys updated. 

 

I asked a few times about a replacement because they auto refunded it immediately when it was still in the "claims" portion of the program. I'll be asking again.

 

I've lost confidence in most shipping carriers these days. From basically unreliable delivery windows to poor deliveries (another reason I installed cameras) to flat out thieves within I'm skeptical most times now and actually trust Amazon's own delivery network as much if not more than UPS or FedEx.

 

Wow, I think the last time I had a bad stick was early DDR4 SODIMM from G.Skill and they replace the kit in less than a week. G.skill replacement should be straight forward (as long as things don't go missing in transit), but any recourse on the bare Chinese brand?

 

55 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

25% is comparing the 1% lows. The average and max fps is absurdly high. 300-400 maybe? Its less on the 5090 mobile but does not matter as WoW is enjoyable at 120fps for me as long as it is consistent.

 

200S boost only last night as I had to first backup data on the Optane drive, then build the Apex + 285K and get it installed, then reinstall W10, apps and WoW.

 

I do want to try out Talon's settings as well. The power is out today due to high winds / fire risk so may have to wait until tomorrow.

 

Wow, that's even better! I approach it the same. As long as I can consistently get 100fps or more at all times, I'm good. I cap my frames at 175fps everywhere to keep balance between the lows and highs unless I'm running delves, then I cap it to the actual display cap which is 240hz on this Alienware OLED 32" 4k display.

 

Yeah, then you have a lot of optimization / greater fps ahead of you. Things really are only going to get better. Did the power go out because of the high winds or do they purposely shut down power due to the high winds / fire risk?

 

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And lastly, 265k is a potential issue....but we will see.

 

Testing so far with the Corsair 9200 sticks

 

G2 8000 pass

G2 8200 pass

G2 8400 fail (and I mean within the first minute)

G4 8400 pass 

 

8400 G4 pass is the same as with the Kingbank sticks except the KB sticks required a fan and 1.5v. These 9200 sticks only require 1.45v and no fan.

 

I'll goose the voltages on the IMC to see how much further I can push it in G2 but falling off the rails at G2 8400 isn't a great portend of things to come. 

 

But first I'm going to see how far the MB can go in G4 just to see how far it can go with the newest BIOS. If it can do at least 8800 I'll keep it. If not, back to Amazon it goes and most likely a Unify is in my future unless I can find a well priced and properly working Apex.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Wow, I think the last time I had a bad stick was early DDR4 SODIMM from G.Skill and they replace the kit in less than a week. G.skill replacement should be straight forward (as long as things don't go missing in transit), but any recourse on the bare Chinese brand?

One of those kits I purchased used on eBay and the other from AliExpress, so probably no place to get the warranty covered. I don't remember which kit he bought from me, but both were essentially the same. Dell OEM server modules that overclocked very well. Same modules that Splave was selling in HWBOT forum for 2 or 3 times more than what I paid for them.

 

If it is SPD corruption and not a hardware failure the firmware can be copied from the good module to the corrupted one. If I can find the link to where I saw how to do it (overclock.net) I will post it. You have to have a ROG Maximum motherboard or the tool will not work. Unless something has changed it will not work with a Strix, Prime or TUF motherboard.