*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Im not sure if I’ll keep them both yet. I may return one. I do like them though. Build quality of Zotac is pretty good. It feels dense and high quality. I have never owned a Zotac GPU before now. 
 

I’m going to research dual GPU’s a bit and see if there are any benefits. 
 

Edit: One more thing, neither of these Zotac’s have any coil whine. I think that’s one of @electrosoft big pet peeves. Speaking of which. Man I wish I could send you a power supply so you could have a listen your self. It’s an EVGA 1300 P+, It’s only a back up unit. But it is the loudest power supply you’ll ever hear in your life. Full on screaming coil whine that changes with mouse movement. YOU WOULD LOVE IT! I mean, you can hear it across the house. 

 

Excessive coil whine is an instant return/sell off no matter the card.

 

Remember when 3090s were so hard to get on launch and I scored that 3090FE from BB? It was good for about a month then suddenly developed the most insane coil whine I've ever heard. I sold it off near cost just to get it out of my face and limped along with a 3060 for months till I got my 3090KPE. That is how much I can't do excessive coil whine.....

 

I would probably take that EVGA P+ 1300 outside and go Office Space on it like it was a copier...... 🤣

 

 

[tps3443]

Alright! Now that I have been able to bench and test both cards head to head without a locking up PC. Let’s get in to the details. 
 

These two cards are identical models! One built in Indonesia, the other one built in China. 

Origin: Made in China.

Card A: Zotac Solid

Idle clock: 210Mhz

Max voltage @30c: 1060mv

Max core OC idle @30c: 3382Mhz

1075mv frequency idle @30c: 2,977Mhz

 

Origin: Made in Indonesia.

Card B: Zotac Solid

Idle clock 210Mhz

Max voltage @30c: 1040mv

Max core OC idle @30c: 3,420Mhz

1075mv frequency idle @30c: 3,007Mhz

 

Card “B” seems better to me for daily gaming, it responds better to higher offsets, it responds better to undervolting. It sips power, I can run 900mv@2,977Mhz which is faster than stock clocks, which sends +120-+135 extra mv to the core and runs about 2,867Mhz in games. It loses nothing at 900mv. And it runs about 220 watt in extremely demanding 4K games
 

I will flash the 450W Astral bios to both and see who shines under the flame of heat though, we know these cards can perform differently under actual loads. 
 

I flashed the Astral Extreme 450W bios to card “A” so far I still can’t get the idle 30c clock speed to exceed 3,367-3,382Mhz range without locking up. But, it’s performing great in Steel Nomad so far! I broke 10K, that’s not bad for a 5080. I’m really just curious who can handle the 450w bios the best! 
 

The RTX 5080 doesn’t show its self very well in Steel Nomad lol. It’s better in games. 
 

 

[Clamibot]

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Alright! Now that I have been able to bench and test both cards head to head without a locking up PC. Let’s get in to the details. 
 

These two cards are identical models! One built in Indonesia, the other one built in China. 

Origin: Made in China.

Card A: Zotac Solid

Idle clock: 210Mhz

Max voltage @30c: 1060mv

Max core OC idle @30c: 3382Mhz

1075mv frequency idle @30c: 2,977Mhz

 

Origin: Made in Indonesia.

Card B: Zotac Solid

Idle clock 210Mhz

Max voltage @30c: 1040mv

Max core OC idle @30c: 3,420Mhz

1075mv frequency idle @30c: 3,007Mhz

 

Card “B” seems better to me for daily gaming, it responds better to higher offsets, it responds better to undervolting. It sips power, I can run 900mv@2,977Mhz which is faster than stock clocks, which sends +120-+135 extra mv to the core and runs about 2,867Mhz in games. It loses nothing at 900mv. And it runs about 220 watt in extremely demanding 4K games
 

I will flash the 450W Astral bios to both and see who shines under the flame of heat though, we know these cards can perform differently under actual loads. 
 

I flashed the Astral Extreme 450W bios to card “A” so far I still can’t get the idle 30c clock speed to exceed 3,367-3,382Mhz range without locking up. But, it’s performing great in Steel Nomad so far! I broke 10K, that’s not bad for a 5080. I’m really just curious who can handle the 450w bios the best! 
 

The RTX 5080 doesn’t show its self very well in Steel Nomad lol. It’s better in games. 
 

 

 

Well now that you have your issues resolved, now you can use both of those RTX 5080s to build a badass dual GPU gaming/workstation rig! Losless Scaling will let you bring back the days of SLI/Crossfire by using one card as a render card and the second card as a frame gen card.

 

I've recently been planning out a build to do pseudo tri-SLI or pseudo trifire as I know more recent versions of Windows (I think the minimum requirement is Windows 11 24H2) allow for generated frames to be piped through to another computer over a network (you're gonna want 10G ethernet for this at least if your framerate is in the hundreds like mine lol). This allows for render and framegen on one system, then on a second, you can do additional framegen on top of the streamed input frames. This is one way to get around Lossless Scaling's insistence of only one instance per machine, and allow the use of up to 3 GPUs to process your game.

 

All of this was triggered by LG's announcement of a 1000 Hz monitor. I really want one, but am going to need a system to push that framerate in every game.

 

My current rig has an RX 6950 XT and an RTX 3080. It works amazingly! I use the 6950 XT as my render card and the 3080 as my framegen card most of the time, but I swap the order if a particular game favors the Nvidia card. It's great to have a card from both major GPU vendors in those edge cases.

 

I've also done experiments using my desktop as a render system and my laptop as a frame gen system. Piping the rendered frames to my laptop via ethernet and running Lossless Scaling on it to reach my framerate target works great!

 

My ultra high performance software suite consists of the following:

- Apollo (for streaming video to connected computers)

- Moonlight (for streaming video from connected computers)

- Lossless Scaling (for that sweet sweet frame gen)

- Modified Windows (specifically WindowsXLite editions for maximum performance)

 

This is especially useful if you have an ultra high refresh rate monitor. You'll be able to run all your games at your monitor's refresh rate, and it will look AMAZING! Bro Fox knows I swear by Lossless Scaling. It really is that good of an application, and is the best $7 I ever spent on any piece of software.

[tps3443]

19 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

 

Well now that you have your issues resolved, now you can use both of those RTX 5080s to build a badass dual GPU gaming/workstation rig! Losless Scaling will let you bring back the days of SLI/Crossfire by using one card as a render card and the second card as a frame gen card.

 

I've recently been planning out a build to do pseudo tri-SLI or pseudo trifire as I know more recent versions of Windows (I think the minimum requirement is Windows 11 24H2) allow for generated frames to be piped through to another computer over a network (you're gonna want 10G ethernet for this at least if your framerate is in the hundreds like mine lol). This allows for render and framegen on one system, then on a second, you can do additional framegen on top of the streamed input frames. This is one way to get around Lossless Scaling's insistence of only one instance per machine, and allow the use of up to 3 GPUs to process your game.

 

All of this was triggered by LG's announcement of a 1000 Hz monitor. I really want one, but am going to need a system to push that framerate in every game.

 

My current rig has an RX 6950 XT and an RTX 3080. It works amazingly! I use the 6950 XT as my render card and the 3080 as my framegen card most of the time, but I swap the order if a particular game favors the Nvidia card. It's great to have a card from both major GPU vendors in those edge cases.

 

I've also done experiments using my desktop as a render system and my laptop as a frame gen system. Piping the rendered frames to my laptop via ethernet and running Lossless Scaling on it to reach my framerate target works great!

 

My ultra high performance software suite consists of the following:

- Apollo (for streaming video to connected computers)

- Moonlight (for streaming video from connected computers)

- Lossless Scaling (for that sweet sweet frame gen)

- Modified Windows (specifically WindowsXLite editions for maximum performance)

 

This is especially useful if you have an ultra high refresh rate monitor. You'll be able to run all your games at your monitor's refresh rate, and it will look AMAZING! Bro Fox knows I swear by Lossless Scaling. It really is that good of an application, and is the best $7 I ever spent on any piece of software.

It’s hard to justify keeping the 2nd one lol. That one came from Newegg, and it costed me $1,500 overnight delivery. The one I’m keeping was a different story, it was $1,000 bucks off of Facebook. I’d love to keep both. But I will definitely buy lossless scaling and give it a try this weekend though. I’m going to hang on to the other 5080 for a bit at least. 
 

I’m blown away by performance right now. Coming from a 5090 though. I did not have high expectations for the 5080, but this thing is freaking sweet! 

[tps3443]

Man, the clocks we can run on a 5080 is awesome! GPU Tweak III lets me run 34,500 on the GDDR7. This gives a +15% memory bandwidth increase of a stock RTX5080. It gets really warm with auto fans playing Death Stranding II at 4K. 

The thing is not bad for $1,000 bucks! 

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, tps3443 said:

It’s hard to justify keeping the 2nd one lol.

Not as hard as justifying the purchase of a 5090. The cost of two brand new is still less than the cheapest 5090. The 5090 offers less value per dollar than any other PC component in the history of personal computers. Current pricing is reserved for the mentally insane.

[Mr. Fox]

11 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

Well now that you have your issues resolved, now you can use both of those RTX 5080s to build a badass dual GPU gaming/workstation rig! Losless Scaling will let you bring back the days of SLI/Crossfire by using one card as a render card and the second card as a frame gen card.

 

I've recently been planning out a build to do pseudo tri-SLI or pseudo trifire as I know more recent versions of Windows (I think the minimum requirement is Windows 11 24H2) allow for generated frames to be piped through to another computer over a network (you're gonna want 10G ethernet for this at least if your framerate is in the hundreds like mine lol). This allows for render and framegen on one system, then on a second, you can do additional framegen on top of the streamed input frames. This is one way to get around Lossless Scaling's insistence of only one instance per machine, and allow the use of up to 3 GPUs to process your game.

 

All of this was triggered by LG's announcement of a 1000 Hz monitor. I really want one, but am going to need a system to push that framerate in every game.

 

My current rig has an RX 6950 XT and an RTX 3080. It works amazingly! I use the 6950 XT as my render card and the 3080 as my framegen card most of the time, but I swap the order if a particular game favors the Nvidia card. It's great to have a card from both major GPU vendors in those edge cases.

 

I've also done experiments using my desktop as a render system and my laptop as a frame gen system. Piping the rendered frames to my laptop via ethernet and running Lossless Scaling on it to reach my framerate target works great!

 

My ultra high performance software suite consists of the following:

- Apollo (for streaming video to connected computers)

- Moonlight (for streaming video from connected computers)

- Lossless Scaling (for that sweet sweet frame gen)

- Modified Windows (specifically WindowsXLite editions for maximum performance)

 

This is especially useful if you have an ultra high refresh rate monitor. You'll be able to run all your games at your monitor's refresh rate, and it will look AMAZING! Bro Fox knows I swear by Lossless Scaling. It really is that good of an application, and is the best $7 I ever spent on any piece of software.

Have you tried using Lossless Scaling for 3DMark benchmarks to see if it works?

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Man, the clocks we can run on a 5080 is awesome! GPU Tweak III lets me run 34,500 on the GDDR7. This gives a +15% memory bandwidth increase of a stock RTX5080. It gets really warm with auto fans playing Death Stranding II at 4K. 

The thing is not bad for $1,000 bucks! 



 

 

$1k all in is below MSRP on the Zotac and 5080's rip! I am pretty sure if that 5080 FE was flashable, I would have held onto it.

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not as hard as justifying the purchase of a 5090. The cost of two brand new is still less than the cheapest 5090. The 5090 offers less value per dollar than any other PC component in the history of personal computers. Current pricing is reserved for the mentally insane.

 

Remember on launch how we balked at $1999.99 entry and Asus charging $2799.99 for the Astral was bonkers stupid?

 

Good times.....

 

I plan on riding this $1971 Open box Vanguard 5090 till the wheels fall off.....

 

12 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

Well now that you have your issues resolved, now you can use both of those RTX 5080s to build a badass dual GPU gaming/workstation rig! Losless Scaling will let you bring back the days of SLI/Crossfire by using one card as a render card and the second card as a frame gen card.

 

I've recently been planning out a build to do pseudo tri-SLI or pseudo trifire as I know more recent versions of Windows (I think the minimum requirement is Windows 11 24H2) allow for generated frames to be piped through to another computer over a network (you're gonna want 10G ethernet for this at least if your framerate is in the hundreds like mine lol). This allows for render and framegen on one system, then on a second, you can do additional framegen on top of the streamed input frames. This is one way to get around Lossless Scaling's insistence of only one instance per machine, and allow the use of up to 3 GPUs to process your game.

 

All of this was triggered by LG's announcement of a 1000 Hz monitor. I really want one, but am going to need a system to push that framerate in every game.

 

My current rig has an RX 6950 XT and an RTX 3080. It works amazingly! I use the 6950 XT as my render card and the 3080 as my framegen card most of the time, but I swap the order if a particular game favors the Nvidia card. It's great to have a card from both major GPU vendors in those edge cases.

 

I've also done experiments using my desktop as a render system and my laptop as a frame gen system. Piping the rendered frames to my laptop via ethernet and running Lossless Scaling on it to reach my framerate target works great!

 

My ultra high performance software suite consists of the following:

- Apollo (for streaming video to connected computers)

- Moonlight (for streaming video from connected computers)

- Lossless Scaling (for that sweet sweet frame gen)

- Modified Windows (specifically WindowsXLite editions for maximum performance)

 

This is especially useful if you have an ultra high refresh rate monitor. You'll be able to run all your games at your monitor's refresh rate, and it will look AMAZING! Bro Fox knows I swear by Lossless Scaling. It really is that good of an application, and is the best $7 I ever spent on any piece of software.

 

I wonder if anyone has done a deep dive to see what is the best bang:buck combo for this render / FG combo?

 

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Overall, if you remove the 5090 from the equation, the 9070xt is in there holding its own especially at its price point even against the 5080 in pockets.

 

 

 

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not as hard as justifying the purchase of a 5090. The cost of two brand new is still less than the cheapest 5090. The 5090 offers less value per dollar than any other PC component in the history of personal computers. Current pricing is reserved for the mentally insane.

I am confident we could probably snatch up (3) RTX 5080’s for $3,000 USD. But yes you’re right the 5090 really is the worst value in history right now. That’s really crazy! Since we can’t even find one for an even 3K USD. I think (3) used 5080’s and (1) used 5070 would 🟰 (1) retail 5090. 😃

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Remember on launch how we balked at $1999.99 entry and Asus charging $2799.99 for the Astral was bonkers stupid?

 

Good times.....

That sentiment has not changed. It was too much then and still too much now. The current prices are untenable and any gamer paying current prices for a new 5090 GPU is bereft of common sense. They either have so much money they have lost the ability to think rationally about their purchases, or they should not be trusted to make any important decisions about anything that requires average intelligence. 

25 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Overall, if you remove the 5090 from the equation, the 9070xt is in there holding its own especially at its price point even against the 5080 in pockets.

Radeon remains rough around the edges and hard for me to get overly excited about as an overclocking enthusiast, but 9070XT is undeniably the best bang for buck gamer proposition that exists. That excludes any models sporting the petite arson connector. Those should be viewed as undesirable trash. It defies logic that they were able to sell any of them. The most compelling reason for buying a Radeon GPU is the avoidance of that trashy abortion power connector.