*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Bro. You bought the wrong card😀 Why go so damn cheapo? And I know you you love the FE design. Maybe next month the 6000 Pro will go for over 15K. so this will be a damn good deal, LOOL

 

Run and buy, and return that Asus turd🤣

 

NVIDIA now lists RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell 96GB GPU at $13,250

 

 

 

 

You need  all 4 of them for your lonely 5090 😀 And Asus should really offer an fire extinguisher in the PSU package charging +$1000. Who said graphics cards was so damn expensive?🤔

 

ASUS ROG Thor 3000W Titanium III Edition 20 PSU listed at €999, comes with four ROG Equalizer cables for quad RTX 5090 setup

 

The limited edition PSU includes four ROG Equalizer 12V-2×6 cables for four single GeForce RTX 5090 card. No fire extinguisher, though.

 

ASUS has listed the ROG Thor 3000W Titanium III Edition 20 power supply at €999. This is the company’s new limited edition PSU shown during Computex as part of the...

 

 

 

 

Hard to believe the 5090 Astral OC is $4,329 at best buy and sold by Best Buy then 5% sales tax on top of that. +60% more than launch MSRP. It’s insanity. Also I really thought the RTX Pro 6000 would not increase, but I guess it did. It’s so expensive. 

[tps3443]

Just a update since having an Astral, I was able to see the per pin amperage using my Lian Li 12v2x6 cable. And it was really bad. That cable was toast. I swapped to a fresh Corsair cable which has it balanced pretty well. I noticed even just how the cable is routed or tucked in somewhere in your case has a huge impact on good per pin balancing of the cable. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Just a update since having an Astral, I was able to see the per pin amperage using my Lian Li 12v2x6 cable. And it was really bad. That cable was toast. I swapped to a fresh Corsair cable which has it balanced pretty well. I noticed even just how the cable is routed or tucked in somewhere in your case has a huge impact on good per pin balancing of the cable. 

Probably has been plugged in and removed too many times. So far everything is staying evenly distributed across the pins according to both of my WireView Pro 2, but I have have not disturbed the cables very often. You have been doing a fair amount of GPU shuffling recently and these are pretty fragile connectors.

[tps3443]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Probably has been plugged in and removed too many times. So far everything is staying evenly distributed across the pins according to both of my WireView Pro 2, but I have have not disturbed the cables very often. You have been doing a fair amount of GPU shuffling recently and these are pretty fragile connectors.

So when I installed a brand new cable, and my balancing sill just wasn’t good at all. And I’m thinking what the heck, the Astral was throwing alarms to let me know balancing was pretty bad. Nothing I could do to fix it. So I followed the 12vhpwr from GPU plug back to PSU plug, and I had it tucked in tightly to hide it with wire management and even pinched or pressed bent in a few places in my case to make things look neater. I pulled the cable out in one spot near the PSU side, and tried to make it as straight as a run as possible everywhere else. And balancing is completely fixed. These cables are crazy sensitive. I’ve never been able to monitor per pin amperage before. And a bend anywhere on the cable even towards the PSU side can completely throw things off. I’m wondering how unbalanced my 5090 FE might have been. 
 

This is what I learned, on the PSU side and GPU side you want the cable to be coming straight out to about 50mm length of wire. Then it can start to bend.

 

[Papusan]

On 5/21/2026 at 1:22 PM, Papusan said:

My main problem is high bloodpressure (also one of the reasons for stoke outside my higher colestrole). They need to reduce it further. Both the bloodpressure and colestole. But each new dose medicines need to  work 3-4weeks to see an effect. Not fun sit here with high bloodpressure and know the risk is still high for a possibel second stroke.

 

Some progress. Today is 4 weeks since the stroke. The bloodpressure is on the way down. Down from 170-190/95 So the risk for a new stroke is reduced. But my heart rate is awful. Hower around 95-100 due broken lungs😗 The lifestyle change and medication seems to help. But this can't  fix my broken lungs. It's what it is.

 

 

11 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

So when I installed a brand new cable, and my balancing sill just wasn’t good at all. And I’m thinking what the heck, the Astral was throwing alarms to let me know balancing was pretty bad. Nothing I could do to fix it. So I followed the 12vhpwr from GPU plug back to PSU plug, and I had it tucked in tightly to hide it with wire management and even pinched or pressed bent in a few places in my case to make things look neater. I pulled the cable out in one spot near the PSU side, and tried to make it as straight as a run as possible everywhere else. And balancing is completely fixed. These cables are crazy sensitive.

 

Imagine how many users use cables with load balancing problems.

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Some progress. Today is 4 weeks since the stroke. The bloodpressure is on the way down. Down from 170-190/95 So the risk for a new stroke is reduced. But my heart rate is awful. Hower around 95-100 due broken lungs😗 The lifestyle change and medication seems to help.

 

 

Glad to see you are making good progress, brother. 

[Mr. Fox]

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

So when I installed a brand new cable, and my balancing sill just wasn’t good at all. And I’m thinking what the heck, the Astral was throwing alarms to let me know balancing was pretty bad. Nothing I could do to fix it. So I followed the 12vhpwr from GPU plug back to PSU plug, and I had it tucked in tightly to hide it with wire management and even pinched or pressed bent in a few places in my case to make things look neater. I pulled the cable out in one spot near the PSU side, and tried to make it as straight as a run as possible everywhere else. And balancing is completely fixed. These cables are crazy sensitive. I’ve never been able to monitor per pin amperage before. And a bend anywhere on the cable even towards the PSU side can completely throw things off. I’m wondering how unbalanced my 5090 FE might have been. 
 

This is what I learned, on the PSU side and GPU side you want the cable to be coming straight out to about 50mm length of wire. Then it can start to bend.

 

Glad it was just a poor connection. Sort of. Unfortunately, having a poor connection with these garbage cables is common. They are fragile, inferior and the people responsible for making them a standard need to lose their jobs and be forced to find a new occupation. One they are good at, 'cause they suck at their current job.

[electrosoft]

18 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Well in the process of talking about the Raider A18 value I eventually decided to return it.

 

I found a good deal for a used Titan 18 with 14900HX, 4090M and UHD+ 120hz. The build quality is top notch and the vapor chamber is a good boost above the Raider 18 heatpipe solution. The 14th Gen chip does almost as good as the X3D in WoW with some memory tuning. The only thing I want is to do is downgrade the display to either 1600p or ideally 1200p.

 

I reopened my eBay store and am pretty steadily selling off my excess hardware.

 

This week Nvidia released a hotfix driver that addresses DX12 issues in WoW which has been great. A lot of the problems like the screen going black and slowly rerendering everything after opening the transmog window in certain areas has been fixed.

 

Titans are on another level. Many think the Titan is a slightly better Raider, but it is MSI's flagship and it shows. Nice pickup! 4090 and 5090 mobile are much closer than their desktop parts anyhow.

 

I was bidding on a 9955HX3D + 5090 Raider on eBay, but the price got outlandish pretty quick and I was out. It ended up selling for something like $4k so yeah.....

 

Yeah, I am getting ready to open mine back up and sell off several items that missed the first wave along with a few extras too.

 

I'll have to give that driver a dry. I have to admit I haven't had many problems in WoW lately with the 9800X3D + 5090, but if there are DX12 direct issues addressed specifically with WoW, I'm going to want to update anyhow.

 

3 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

This is what I learned, on the PSU side and GPU side you want the cable to be coming straight out to about 50mm length of wire. Then it can start to bend.

 

 

I've been advocating and have posted this advice several times in this very forum  now for this for years now since the 4090. One of the reasons I kept my front panel off was so the 12vhpwr cable could have a clean, straight run for a bit from the GPU/PSU before introducing any type of bends......

 

With the WV2Pro now, I could put the glass back on, but I like an open case now and zero extra fans needing to run except what's on the GPU and the 420mm AIO fans. Keeps things pretty quiet.

 

 

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

 

Some progress. Today is 4 weeks since the stroke. The bloodpressure is on the way down. So the risk for a new stroke is reduced. But my heart rate is awful. Hower around 95-100 due broken lungs😗 

 

 

 

That blood pressure is excellent @Papusan!! The fact is is much lower also means the heightened stress on your system will allow it to relax and may even allow your breathing to become a bit more relaxed too.

 

How did you damage your lungs? Was it the smoking or something else? Either way, good job on the BP! Now hopefully we can get that heart rate down. Has your doc asked you to try nebivolol? It is for BP but also helps slow your heart rate a bit too and prevents spikes.

 

 

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Glad to see you are making good progress, brother. 

 

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

That blood pressure is excellent @Papusan!! The fact is is much lower also means the heightened stress on your system will allow it to relax and may even allow your breathing to become a bit more relaxed too.

 

How did you damage your lungs? Was it the smoking or something else? Either way, good job on the BP! Now hopefully we can get that heart rate down. Has your doc asked you to try nebivolol? It is for BP but also helps slow your heart rate a bit too and prevents spikes.

 

Thanks, both. I have even go down in weight. Close to 5KG down in 3.5 weeks🙂 Target is 75 KG (184-185 height). So still need go down 18Kg. Then I have my cholesterol. I need to get it down from almost 5 to 1.4-1.8. Need to be that low due the increased stroke risk.

 

Regarding broken lungs. The work I did, heredity and of course the smoke. so triple reasons for the problem.  Papa,his sisters had same lung disease. Also my sister have it now. They have never smoked but still got same lung problems. 

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Thanks, both. I have even go down in weight. Close to 5KG down in 3.5 weeks

Good job on that brother. Yeah sorry to hear about the lung problems. For your dad and sisterwas it entirely heredity or did they also do the same type of work that contributed to the problem?

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Good job on that brother. Yeah sorry to hear about the lung problems. For your dad and sisterwas it entirely heredity or did they also do the same type of work that contributed to the problem?

 

For them it's the heredity. Some have never been in work. But the common denominator is same lung illness. And none of those smoked much. 3 sisters have suffered the same fate of the disease. The same goes for my father (the brother). Also my sister (no smoker). The resemblance between them is quite clear. This illness is hereditary. But for me it can be from 3 reason as already mentioned. With triple reasons it is doomed to happen🤨  

 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Glad it was just a poor connection. Sort of. Unfortunately, having a poor connection with these garbage cables is common. They are fragile, inferior and the people responsible for making them a standard need to lose their jobs and be forced to find a new occupation. One they are good at, 'cause they suck at their current job.

 

NVIDIA's connector story: EPS vs. 12VHPWR Connector – Good doesn't always win, but evil does more and more often (background information) | Retro

 

The 12-pin connector as a space-saving art object

Because Ampere also brought the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 and the RTX 3090 Founders Edition with their avant-garde shaped design to the market. All well and good, but where to put those space-hogging headers? When the PCB designer runs out of space, in the worst case scenario, this is compensated for by a great deal of audacity; others call it creative waste. The problem was that there simply weren't any suitable, upright headers available, not even from Molex in South Korea, who have been diligently producing connectors since 1984 and should know exactly what they're doing (or rather, what they're not doing).

 

However, one thing is crucial here: this 12VHPWR connector was NOT developed by Molex, but rather under the leadership of Astron as a kind of derivative.

 

 

Corsair GPU Power Bridge rated for up to 105°C melts on RTX 4090 Founders Edition

 

My Corsair GPU Power Bridge (the angled adapter for the power cable) completely melted along the top row of pins. Because it got so hot, it actually melted and deformed the plastic power plug on my RTX 4090 Founders Edition as well.

 

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Some progress. Today is 4 weeks since the stroke. The bloodpressure is on the way down. Down from 170-190/95 So the risk for a new stroke is reduced. But my heart rate is awful. Hower around 95-100 due broken lungs😗 The lifestyle change and medication seems to help. But this can't  fix my broken lungs. It's what it is.

 

 

 

Imagine how many users use cables with load balancing problems.

Congratulations to you on getting healthier @Papusan! That's always a good feeling. 

 

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

I've been advocating and have posted this advice several times in this very forum  now for this for years now since the 4090. One of the reasons I kept my front panel off was so the 12vhpwr cable could have a clean, straight run for a bit from the GPU/PSU before introducing any type of bends......

 

I remember picking on people about the per pin monitoring. I knew if I had that, it would become a new thing to focus on (And it has).  What we do not know, does not hurt us. This 5090 Astral is giving me a special kind of feeling though lol. The feeling that the 5080 Astral is not giving me. 

[electrosoft]

On 6/13/2026 at 3:58 PM, tps3443 said:

I remember picking on people about the per pin monitoring. I knew if I had that, it would become a new thing to focus on (And it has).  What we do not know, does not hurt us. This 5090 Astral is giving me a special kind of feeling though lol. The feeling that the 5080 Astral is not giving me. 

 

Yeah, I always kept an eye on it. Early on, it was such a great feature to have and still is. 

 

With the advent of the WireView Pro 2 and integration with HWinfo along with warning and shut down mechanisms and warranty, it does add a nice bit of piece of mind. I love hitting certain parts of WoW and watching those bars spike and comparing the on display readouts of wattage with reported wattage, seeing if the internal fan kicks on and more. 

 

Astral 5090 is a fantastic card. I think I said when I returned mine I had ZERO complaints and I do mean zero.....except the price. 🤣 Now look at the market...silly me. Like I said, I also think the Astral is one of the best looking 5090's on the market easily. I love everything about its thick slabular design. Even how the lighting strip lights up on power up. Feels very Blade Runner like.

 

One thing I miss dearly from the Astral 5090 is the zero fan mode was truly zero fans. The Ventus I had and the Vanguard will spin up for shiggles based on reported voltage even light browsing. In a quiet room, it is all I will hear is the low dull rumble of the fans on the GPU and that's it.

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yeah, I always kept an eye on it. Early on, it was such a great feature to have and still is. 

 

With the advent of the WireView Pro 2 and integration with HWinfo along with warning and shut down mechanisms and warranty, it does add a nice bit of piece of mind. I love hitting certain parts of WoW and watching those bars spike and comparing the on display readouts of wattage with reported wattage, seeing if the internal fan kicks on and more. 

 

Astral 5090 is a fantastic card. I think I said when I returned mine I had ZERO complaints and I do mean zero.....except the price. 🤣 Now look at the market...silly me. Like I said, I also think the Astral is one of the best looking 5090's on the market easily. I love everything about its thick slabular design. Even how the lighting strip lights up on power up. Feels very Blade Runner like.

 

One thing I miss dearly from the Astral 5090 is the zero fan mode was truly zero fans. The Ventus I had and the Vanguard will spin up for shiggles based on reported voltage even light browsing. In a quiet room, it is all I will hear is the low dull rumble of the fans on the GPU and that's it.

 

That’s why the 5080 astral is really worth the money in my opinion. Especially if you can get one for like $1,500 bucks. The cooling and build quality is top notch. Mine is a lottery loser. But getting the 5090 Astral made me only appreciate it even more, because they are literally indistinguishable from one another in weight/size/feel. 
 

I discovered that the 5080 with 2x FG on performed identically to the 5090 with FG off in many titles. 
 

BTW I’m keeping the 5090 Astral. 😂

 

Amazing GPU. Gaming on this thing is where it’s at. Brute force FPS! Epic power! 

[electrosoft]

13 hours ago, tps3443 said:

That’s why the 5080 astral is really worth the money in my opinion. Especially if you can get one for like $1,500 bucks. The cooling and build quality is top notch. Mine is a lottery loser. But getting the 5090 Astral made me only appreciate it even more, because they are literally indistinguishable from one another in weight/size/feel. 
 

I discovered that the 5080 with 2x FG on performed identically to the 5090 with FG off in many titles. 
 

BTW I’m keeping the 5090 Astral. 😂

 

Amazing GPU. Gaming on this thing is where it’s at. Brute force FPS! Epic power! 

 

I would keep the Astral 5090 too at this point with the market being the way it is. In the end, you're gonna be able to sell it for at worst what you paid, but most likely a touch more.

 

As for the Astral 5080, there were a few locally for sale for $1500 and $1400 that languished for awhile before I'm sure sold for a touch less I saw when I was shopping for a potential 5090 for my D20 SFF build in case I didn't want to go with the 9070xt . Most I would pay for a 5080 anything would be $1200 but that's just me. It's just finding the right buyer.

 

On the other hand, Astral 5090s or anything 5090 sell quickly even at insane prices.

 

After having gamed back and forth on a 5080 2x (5090FE, MSI 5080 gaming),  5090 3x (Astral, Ventus, Vanguard)  and a 9070xt 2x (Gigabyte Gaming, Powercolor Red Devil) at 4k, there's just no way I could settle with anything but a 5090 on my main rig and I know it. I love the two 9070xt's in our household, but reality is what it is.

 

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9070xt finally makes a VERY small dent. Nvidia is simply godmode. Performance will always rule the day period....

 

AMD continues to erode Intel's hold on Steam..... parity could come next year. Years ago, I never, ever thought AMD would ever truly put a meaningful dent in Intel's CPU domination let alone be on the cusp of equaling or beating them...wow

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/radeon-rx-9070-xt-and-rx-9060-xt-appear-in-steam-hardware-survey-for-may

 

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Raptor Lake refresh with no Bartlett desktop.....pass:

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-launch-core-200-raptor-lake-next-in-2027-for-lga-1700-socket

 

 

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Another day, another "High endurance / High thermal" adapter succumbs to the 12vhpwr monstrosity....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/corsair-gpu-power-bridge-rated-for-up-to-105c-melts-on-rtx-4090-founders-edition

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Talon]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

aptor Lake refresh with no Bartlett desktop.....pass:

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-launch-core-200-raptor-lake-next-in-2027-for-lga-1700-socket

 

 

Pass for sure. Sometimes I have to wonder what Intel is thinking. 

[electrosoft]

22 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Pass for sure. Sometimes I have to wonder what Intel is thinking. 

 

I'm banking on Nova Lake.....

 

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One of those "hmmmm" videos where the 5080/9070xt/5070ti are close enough to really not make that much of a difference at 4k and I would posit even at 1440p go for the best bang/buck in many situations.

 

With 9070xt's dipping back into the $600-650 range again, insane to pay $1k for a 5070ti or $1200+ for a 5080 unless you want the very best not named 5090....

 

You just have the 5090 sitting up in the clouds looking down at the rest shaking it's ~$4k head at the commoners.....

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

14 hours ago, electrosoft said:

You just have the 5090 sitting up in the clouds looking down at the rest shaking it's ~$4k head at the commoners.....

 

Or an 4090 you bought in 2022/23. 

 

 

LOL. Gigabyte want to be the new Asus. A hell lot to pay extra for the refined vbios to push boost clocks above 2700 and more fancy cooler and RGB trash-show.

Gigabyte RTX 5090 AORUS INFINITY listed at Micro Center for $5,300

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Or an 4090 you bought in 2022/23. 

 

 

LOL. Gigabyte want to be the new Asus. A hell lot to pay extra for the refined vbios to push boost clocks above 2700 and more fancy cooler and RGB trash-show.

Gigabyte RTX 5090 AORUS INFINITY listed at Micro Center for $5,300

 

 

 

 

 

If you still own a 4090 from launch, you are definitely getting your money's worth and can STILL sell it for more than you bought it.....crazy. But it is priced much higher than the lower tier 5080s available too. I can go grab a brand new 5080 for $1200 right now. (actually an open box for $1124 = $1067 with MC card) ....speaking of Microcenter....yeah I saw our local MC had 5 of those in stock last night and as of right now, they still have 2 which means 3 people gleefully went there and paid $5617 after tax for one of those.....insane.

 

There is absolutely nothing "special" about that card outside of the Tron like design. No dual connectors. No extra beefy cooling. No 800w+ support from what I can see.

 

Out of all the premium cards (Matrix, Lightning, Astral XL, Infinity), Infinity is the weakest of them all. I'd go Lightning first because of dual connectors followed by Astral XL then Matrix and finally Infinity.

 

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@jaybee83 Suprim 5090 gets the Northwestrepair treatment finally! (Along with Tony's usual dose of negativity)

 

As we already knew, Vanguard and Suprim are basically identical.

He's all hopped up over lack of fuses as always.....

1.020 voltage....

 

 

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KingBank and Gloway switching to China made memory modules for some of their sticks.....curious to see how they stack up against SK and Samsung....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/chinese-memory-brands-move-to-china-made-24gb-ddr5-chips

 

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No one not even CLOSE to Nvidia in AI performance.....so dominating it's downright scary....

 

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-blackwell-sweeps-mlperf-6-0-benchmark-no-competition-in-sight/

 

"Whether at massive scale or modest configurations, NVIDIA consistently outperformed the competition, often delivering results that rivals couldn’t even submit. With continued software optimizations and the upcoming Vera Rubin platform on the horizon, NVIDIA’s leadership in AI training remains stronger than ever."

 

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A glimpse into the AI master plan.....

 

https://wccftech.com/samsung-bets-on-unmanned-fabs-by-2030-to-break-its-unions-leverage-after-a-costly-bonus-war/

[jaybee83]

23 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

If you still own a 4090 from launch, you are definitely getting your money's worth and can STILL sell it for more than you bought it.....crazy. But it is priced much higher than the lower tier 5080s available too. I can go grab a brand new 5080 for $1200 right now. (actually an open box for $1124 = $1067 with MC card) ....speaking of Microcenter....yeah I saw our local MC had 5 of those in stock last night and as of right now, they still have 2 which means 3 people gleefully went there and paid $5617 after tax for one of those.....insane.

 

There is absolutely nothing "special" about that card outside of the Tron like design. No dual connectors. No extra beefy cooling. No 800w+ support from what I can see.

 

Out of all the premium cards (Matrix, Lightning, Astral XL, Infinity), Infinity is the weakest of them all. I'd go Lightning first because of dual connectors followed by Astral XL then Matrix and finally Infinity.

 

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@jaybee83 Suprim 5090 gets the Northwestrepair treatment finally! (Along with Tony's usual dose of negativity)

 

As we already knew, Vanguard and Suprim are basically identical.

He's all hopped up over lack of fuses as always.....

1.020 voltage....

 

 

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KingBank and Gloway switching to China made memory modules for some of their sticks.....curious to see how they stack up against SK and Samsung....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/chinese-memory-brands-move-to-china-made-24gb-ddr5-chips

 

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No one not even CLOSE to Nvidia in AI performance.....so dominating it's downright scary....

 

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-blackwell-sweeps-mlperf-6-0-benchmark-no-competition-in-sight/

 

"Whether at massive scale or modest configurations, NVIDIA consistently outperformed the competition, often delivering results that rivals couldn’t even submit. With continued software optimizations and the upcoming Vera Rubin platform on the horizon, NVIDIA’s leadership in AI training remains stronger than ever."

 

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A glimpse into the AI master plan.....

 

https://wccftech.com/samsung-bets-on-unmanned-fabs-by-2030-to-break-its-unions-leverage-after-a-costly-bonus-war/

 

well ill be damned, here i thought i had the only 5090 with max core 1.02V in existence LOL (actually 1,025V but whos counting....)

 

good to see it was user fault and not something that went awry due to the board or connector design.

 

lulz @samsung, bitching about "costly bonus war" when the employees only wanted their fair share of the insane amount of profits....how dare they! 

 

still chugging along nicely here with black myth wukong, got 27h into the game, lotsa fun 🙂 correction on my previous claim of getting 70+ FPS at native 4K: seems like the graphics settings sometimes dont stick, so need to reapply and restart the game. settled at 89% 4K res (BMW can actually finetune exact percentages for scaled resolutions, pretty nice), which gives me solid 60-70 FPS, everything else maxed. this is on the matrix vbios btw.

havent encountered any more connector imbalance issues on the amperage front, all good for now *fingers crossed*

[Papusan]

 

ASUS ROG 20th Anniversary bundle PC priced at $16,580 in China

 

ASUS ROG 20th anniversary full PC parts bundle gets China pricing.

 

Full special edition PC and ASUS tax🤢🤮🤢

 

[tps3443]

I’m thinking about trying an AMD system, I’m going through BestBuy only for my parts for easy return/exchange options if needed. 
 

I’m looking at a 9950X3D2, and a X870 Crosshair Dark Hero, I am struggling on which ram to get. Any tips? 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I’m thinking about trying an AMD system, I’m going through BestBuy only for my parts for easy return/exchange options if needed. 
 

I’m looking at a 9950X3D2, and a X870 Crosshair Dark Hero, I am struggling on which ram to get. Any tips? 

 

You would be the first of us in this group to run a 9950X3D2. I was looking at Freaky's delidded 9950X3D2 over on the OCFs but being an SP117, but $800 I'd rather spin the wheel and bin some myself if I went that direction and only PP FF. I'd need a bit of protection to make sure the delidded chip was 100%. But if you wanted to look for a decent deal regardless of chip bin and get it delidded and ready to go, that wouldn't be a bad option.

 

Depends on if you're looking to run 6000+ or 8000+ (or hope to get some decent 6000 sticks to push to 8000+). Best Buy has a limited selection. Prices are what they are unfortunately. The sell 4 sets of 8000 sticks and they're marketplace from Newegg so.....plus no 2x24GB kits all 2x16 or 2x32.

 

Checking PCpartpicker, good smattering of 8000+ kits all starting at 600+ for 2x24GB.

 

Good board selection (yeah I'm not biased at all) 🤣. There are some good 1DPC boards out there if you're looking to really push ram. I take it you didn't hold onto any of your DDR5?

 

9950X3D2 bundles from MC are bleh.....

 

Either way, AMD or Intel are going to definitely outclass your current rig and push your 5090 nicely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

You would be the first of us in this group to run a 9950X3D2. I was looking at Freaky's delidded 9950X3D2 over on the OCFs but being an SP117, but $800 I'd rather spin the wheel and bin some myself if I went that direction and only PP FF. I'd need a bit of protection to make sure the delidded chip was 100%. But if you wanted to look for a decent deal regardless of chip bin and get it delidded and ready to go, that wouldn't be a bad option.

 

Depends on if you're looking to run 6000+ or 8000+ (or hope to get some decent 6000 sticks to push to 8000+). Best Buy has a limited selection. Prices are what they are unfortunately. The sell 4 sets of 8000 sticks and they're marketplace from Newegg so.....plus no 2x24GB kits all 2x16 or 2x32.

 

Checking PCpartpicker, good smattering of 8000+ kits all starting at 600+ for 2x24GB.

 

Good board selection (yeah I'm not biased at all) 🤣. There are some good 1DPC boards out there if you're looking to really push ram. I take it you didn't hold onto any of your DDR5?

 

9950X3D2 bundles from MC are bleh.....

 

Either way, AMD or Intel are going to definitely outclass your current rig and push your 5090 nicely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im really curious to test that and see the gains in 4K compared to my current setup. I feel like my current setup performs well. But, I’m considering moving away from the 4K/120hz. It’s pretty big. I still run my 48” OLED Aorus panel. Thing has like 4,500+ “panel on time hours now” lol. 😂 Probably gonna run maybe a 27” 1440P. 
 

I didn’t hang on to any DDR5, I would only run one set at a time back then anyways. Other than the set that’s in my son’s rig, he has some nice 2x16GB Gskill 6400 Mdie sticks. I’m sure those can crank 8000+

 

If I made the switch, I do have a lot of DDR4 Bdie to offload and maybe recoup from. I have a 16x16GB set of Gskill Bdie 3200c14. 
 

The 9950X3D may not make sense, so maybe just a 9850X3D would be fine. 
 

Is there a significant different with the X870 Apex, and just a regular X870 Crosshair black? I’m not going to run a delid setup. Probably just pretty mild OC. Setup, grab a block, and swap it in to my current case with 3x480MM GTX, 4x D5. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

The 9950X3D may not make sense, so maybe just a 9850X3D would be fine. 

I would not recommend a 9950X3D2 if you are focused on gaming. You will not benefit from it in gaming. It's really for work like content creation. It will be the same or worse as a 9950X3D, but costs several hundred dollars more.

 

If you want some extra FPS for gaming just go with the 9950X3D or EPYC 4585PX (same CPU, different name and usually better silicon quality than 9950X3D). The 9950X3D is the same as 9950X except for the 3D cache, but the silicon quality of the X3D CPU is not very consistent in comparison. Some run hotter and need more voltage, and have weak IMCs and do not handle memory overclocking as well.

 

If you decide to go with a 3D cache CPU, do not rely on Windoze to manage it correctly for gaming. Some people burn a lot of calories on chipset driver updates and keeping XBOX bloatware updated and still does not work right all of the time. The solution is simple and effective. If you are gaming, use Process Lasso or CPUSetSetter and tell the game which CCD to use. Flawless execution 100% of the time and not reliant on a crappy OS like Windoze 11. 

 

After owning both and using them side-by-side, I'm not overly impressed with the 3D cache CPU. I have a better sample (returned a horrible one) but it doesn't perform anything better than my 9950X, other than getting some extra FPS in some games when I go to the extra trouble of making sure it is working. It is hit or miss and not enough extra to matter to me considering the added cost. My next build will likely be Intel. AMD products are overall mediocre and kind of boring. That said, the current platform is the only AMD platform that I didn't hate. It doesn't suck, it is just boring.

 

Golden Ryzen samples are about a rare as unicorns. And, if you are lucky enough to get one you won't be able to max it out due to thermal constraints unless you delid it and run bare die with liquid metal. It will be thermally limited and run about the same as the average CPU samples with the soldered IHS. Even a 6-core 9600X will hit 95°C in Cinebench with a maxed out overclock with the soldered IHS on it.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Is there a significant different with the X870 Apex, and just a regular X870 Crosshair black? I’m not going to run a delid setup. Probably just pretty mild OC. Setup, grab a block, and swap it in to my current case with 3x480MM GTX, 4x D5. 

No there is not. The Apex motherboard might have some subjective benefits, but your CPU won't be able to leverage them fully in terms of overclocking. I have not been able to achieve higher memory clocks or tighter timings with the X870E Apex than I have been able to achieve with the X870E-E Strix or X870E Carbon or X870 AORUS Master. Memory overclocking sucks on Ryzen overall unless you have an above average CPU sample, and even then it's not wonderful.

 

A lot of what you know about overclocking and tuning from your experience with Intel will no longer be relevant. That transition from Intel to AMD has been similar to moving to Linux from Windoze, but more frustrating than the change in OS because you are dealing with hardware limitations (capped core ratios, power and current limits) and goofy silicon quality randomness rather than purely a learning curve. Out of the many AM5 motherboards I have owned, the X870E AORUS Master was the best overall. The firmware on ASUS is better, but the Master motherboard was overall the best. Gigabyte motherboard firmware sucks though, no question about that. (Really stupid stuff, like no way to disable the onboard WiFi and Bluetooth module in the BIOS.)

 

If I could have a do-over I would have kept the Z790 Apex and Apex Encore. The Ryzen 9 only beats a Core i9 in Cinebench. For just about everything else, Intel is the winner. A nicely binned 14900KS that is tuned properly is right on the heels of a 9950X3D in terms of gaming. In some things the 14900KS is better in spite of the 3D cache.