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[win32asmguy]

On 7/30/2026 at 10:52 AM, electrosoft said:

Yeah that initial VSOC out the door to get it stable baseline was the initial red flag to me but even locking it  down at 6000 makes it viable for D2D use but is a kick in the pills. I would be curious to see why it was an open box return and wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason. We can't be the only tech enthusiasts who immediately enable the enhanced BIOS and go to town on it. 🙂

 

Funny thing is I never even considered them but I've used them in the past to get various hard to find CPUs and motherboards.

 

Did the upgrade to LM from PTM yield meaningful results or was the cooling system a limitation? I could see LM at least helping with idle ramp ups and low load fan noise though.

 

I am like you and prefer my laptops at QHD so hopefully a display swap is a possibility. That is really odd with the quality level tamped down to a 1 it still has an odd bit of lag even frame locked to ~119fps in GFE/NVCPL?

 

Actually nothing I have tried so far has made it stable under a stress test at 6000 or higher. VSOC up to 1.2v, VDDIO/VDD/VDDQ up to 1.3v, UCLK+FCLK at 1500, multiple memory kits (both 2x16GB Hynix A-die). FCLK is stable at 2000 with VSOC at 1.1v. If I drop to 5800 stress tests are stable. Too bad its BGA or I would be hunting down a replacement chip. Unless I am missing an important voltage that is not being configured correctly automatically by the bios. Its really odd that I can boot at 7600 but 6000 is not stable.

 

I do not think LM helps performance unless it had a bad PTM paste job, because the CPU is limited to 145W solo or up to 85W in combined loads. Fan noise could be improved though for sure.

 

Regarding the screen swap I found a complete used display assembly from a Vector A18 with the 240hz QHD 1600p IPS panel which is perfect. Even better it has no lid logo RGB so that is one thing that will no longer be reset to a rainbow effect depending on how Steelseries software is feeling that day. The whole unit used was only $185 including tax so not a bad deal at all and very easy to swap the UHD assembly back if the laptop needs to go in for a warranty repair.

[electrosoft]

On 7/30/2026 at 11:37 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Brand new clear tubing looks fantastic. The problem is it doesn't stay looking brand new. EPDM is definitely the way to go. I think brand new clear tubing looks nicer but EPDM looks good and looks exactly the same whether it is new or old and I think it is considerably more durable. Plasticizers and degradation are a non-issue.

 

I can tell you right now the silicon sample on the core side of things is better than my 4585PX and 9950X. The cores need less voltage for a manual overclock at any given core ratio. The memory controller is weaker than both of them. It requires looser timings to run 8000. Cinebench scores are lower and some things actually feel like they are slower at equivalent clock speeds. There is a small latency penalty with 3D v-cached CPUs and I think these flaws are all inherent to 3D v-cached Ryzen CPUs. I haven't done any gaming with it yet but I think I'm going to find that I gained nothing and probably lost a little ground in terms of overclocking capabilities. As far 9950X3D2 samples are concerned, I think this one is probably better than average.

 

I may find my opinion will change after I spend more time with it and find out what it likes and what it doesn't. I may not be doing what it likes yet. I absolutely do not like the 200 MHz lower PBO boost clock but if I can get the thing to do a substantially better manual overclock I might forgive that because I don't really like PBO anyway.

 

I have already decided that the Core Ultra 270K Plus is better than anything AMD has for sale. It performs better than anything AMD sells right now and costs substantially less than AMD's closest equivalent product.

 

I had to loosen tCL, tRCDWR/RD, tRP, tRAS and tRC to get it stable at 8000. It might do better with GDM enabled, but I don't really want to do that if I can help it.

 

 

Definitely, the more I research, the more I am settled on EPDM. I need to locate that pump res combo you recommended I picked up for a good deal from PPC and res and fittings. I finally locked down on a new shelf to hold a large swath of my parts and boxes as the other room is full. Wife is giving me funny looks now..... 🤣

 

I like that you've tested each variant now with no X3D, 1xCCD X3D, 2xCCD X3D to see the progression (or regression) in regards to overclocking capability with X3D and peak stock clocks coming into play.

 

I came to the same conclusion, outside of X3D beneficial games, that the 270k is actually one of my favorite CPUs on every level. Unfortunately for me, as always, Fallout 76 disproportionately loves X3D cache....scarily so even at 4k. I've tested and retested extensively the last 3 years and that massive chasm remains across the 14900k and 270k. 

 

Do you think the IMC on the 9950X3D2 you have is weaker than your other chips?

 

17 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah my Astral wasn’t even that great of a deal either lol. At the time they were brand new for $4,329.99 + tax and they had a single open box for like $3,779 or $3,889 + tax in the Best Buy store, I’m forgetting exactly how much it was. 
 

The box was kind of ripped a little, coil whine is not as quiet as my 5090 FE was (That one had a tiny bit, but you had to like put your ear against it to hear it, 1.2KW per limit certainly amplified it just a little bit) But the quietest GPU I ever owned was probably the 5080 Astral OC, it did not make any sound under load, even with your ear right against it lol. The 5090 Astral isn’t bad at all though but it makes a deep buzz if you lean in and try to listen to it. You won’t hear it in a closed case or anything though. Not a squeal or anything annoying at all which Is perfectly fine for me. I think most high end GPU’s will make a buzz under heavy load if you lean in close and listen to them. 
 

Too many check boxes these days to be super picky on GPU’s. Max Voltage, core overclocking ability, are 1% lows impacted with +3,000 memory OC, coil whine?, are the core and memory chips actually soldered on the board? lol, does it even work? lol. 😂 
 

Unless something is making a high pitch squeal noise, I don’t care! Two prior products come to mind where I did care!!!. My Z590 Dark Kingpin motherboard, and EVGA power supplies lol. But yeah the Astral overclocks really well, and that’s what made me love it and decide to keep it. Excellent GPU. I’d probably long return my 9950X3D2 and Dark Hero X870 before that 5090 Astral goes anywhere!! 
 

Speaking of which that return period is coming up FAST on the AMD chip!! I may swap it out. 

 

Congratz on selling the HEDT rig over on OCN!

 

Still a $1k+ difference now and I wouldn't rule out another price hike before we escape 2026.

 

I've been testing my Windforce 5080 SFF back and forth against my 5090 in my main rig the last few days. I'm not unplugging the 5090 12vhpwr connector. I'm using the Corsair 1000w SFF instead externally to power the 5080 so swapping is quick and easy. 5090 is just a monster. WoW and even Fallout 76 keep the 5080 pegged at 99% outside of player heavy areas. Then again, there are many areas in WoW that keep the 5090 at 99% too even with a 175fps cap in place.

 

As long as a GPU doesn't make that, deep seesaw screeching whine I can usually work with it. No GPU is truly silent under load and if I need to put my ear right next to it to hear it, to me that is effectively silent. Nothing, and I mean nothing, can touch that 3090FE whine I had. That was next level nauseating. 

 

Definitely keep the Astral. Still the most beautiful 5090 IMHO with that industrial slab look. I love the heatsink on that thang and prices are climbing and climbing.

 

If I were you, I'd return the 9950X3D2 at a minimum to fish for a better sample or pick up a 9950X3D from Newegg which is on sale for $569.99 AND includes a free AIO or maybe see if @Mr. Fox wants to part with one of his samples OR return both the CPU and MB and see if @Talon wants to part with one of his 270k samples and go Intel. Of course going Intel you're going to want 8600+ capable G2 ram, cpu and MB at a minimum.

 

If you want to stick with BB for their credit line, 270k is, oh, $600 cheaper than the 9950X3D2..... good deals on MBs and that helps compensate for memory costs.

 

15 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Actually nothing I have tried so far has made it stable under a stress test at 6000 or higher. VSOC up to 1.2v, VDDIO/VDD/VDDQ up to 1.3v, UCLK+FCLK at 1500, multiple memory kits (both 2x16GB Hynix A-die). FCLK is stable at 2000 with VSOC at 1.1v. If I drop to 5800 stress tests are stable. Too bad its BGA or I would be hunting down a replacement chip. Unless I am missing an important voltage that is not being configured correctly automatically by the bios. Its really odd that I can boot at 7600 but 6000 is not stable.

 

I do not think LM helps performance unless it had a bad PTM paste job, because the CPU is limited to 145W solo or up to 85W in combined loads. Fan noise could be improved though for sure.

 

Regarding the screen swap I found a complete used display assembly from a Vector A18 with the 240hz QHD 1600p IPS panel which is perfect. Even better it has no lid logo RGB so that is one thing that will no longer be reset to a rainbow effect depending on how Steelseries software is feeling that day. The whole unit used was only $185 including tax so not a bad deal at all and very easy to swap the UHD assembly back if the laptop needs to go in for a warranty repair.

 

Damn, that's not good news if it can't even do 6000. MSI only guarantees 5600 on that model so you can't even send it in for a swap. Might have to just tune around 5800 or run a dirty OC that's "good enough" for gaming but still a major bummer. Silicon lottery strikes again....

 

Still a damn good deal though on the price and I'm not sure 5800 vs 6000 will even make any meaningful difference in gaming and you can maybe tighten up the timings even more. Do a dirty mem OC test 5800 vs 6000->6400 in games and go "meh....."

 

Nice snag on the entire hood assembly so a small silver lining....

 

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"Progress" = ~10% uplift.....

 

 

[Reciever]

On 7/30/2026 at 11:13 PM, Mr. Fox said:

@Reciever I don't know if we're experiencing another DDoS attack or what, but the forum has performed miserably all day. Very laggy and sometimes unresponsive and inaccessible.

Seems to have passed for now. ill try to keep an eye on it

[Mr. Fox]

20 hours ago, electrosoft said:

see if @Mr. Fox wants to part with one of his samples

I made @tps3443 a crazy low offer on the 9950X3D2, X870E Apex, IceMan Direct Die block, G.SKILL 6000 CL26 RAM and Supercool Direct Touch RAM cooler. That CPU is a WHOLE lot better than the one he has. So is the motherboard and RAM for that matter. If he doesn't want it, if anyone here is interested I will let it go for the same utterly insane low price as a complete package. Ready to use, turnkey.

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Speaking of 6000 CL26, this is the best that the garbage V-Color dual rank trash kit is capable of doing. I spent about 5 hours yesterday with it installed in the SFF build and it just doesn't have much to offer. As the low clock speeds it is capable of it performs actually quite well, it just can't hit any clock speeds that are worth a darn. It is not even bootable at 6400 in 1:1... debug code 00 on every attempt. Great example why one should never judge a book by its cover. With EXPO specs like this kit has one would think it is a fantastic memory kit, but it really sucks unless you run it close to stock. As sucky as it is, it will be good enough for the SFF build since it is not going to get put through the benching meat grinder. It will have a mundane existence that is limited to the mediocrity of web browsing and 3D gaming.

[electrosoft]

MONSTER SP98 270k for sale over on the OCN forums: https://www.overclock.net/threads/intel-core-ultra-270k-plus-sp98-p107-e95-mc64.1819986/?post_id=29603558#post-29603558

 

$755 shipped if one of you want to grab it and basically have prolly one of the best 270k's out there.

 

Too rich for my blood and I'm content with the SP85 for a third of the price for my needs....but if someone wants an absolute beast mode of a chip, snag it fast!

 

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I have mastered the art of lost/delayed packages lately. My Noctua fans got lost in the mail from Amazon which were shipped by their own shipping services (they refunded it) . The reordered 120mm ones showed up but the AF9 top case fans for the C26 are running late AND now my conductonaut extreme has gone missing/delayed direct from so I'm sitting here with everything else ready to go (9850X3D, AM5 TG heatspreader, non conformal coating) and just need the darn LM to bring it home lol.....

 

Also need it because I'll be delidding a couple of 13900k and 14900ks chips for a couple of guildies since I still have all my RocketCool delidding gear on the shelf.

 

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5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I made @tps3443 a crazy low offer on the 9950X3D2, X870E Apex, IceMan Direct Die block, G.SKILL 6000 CL26 RAM and Supercool Direct Touch RAM cooler. That CPU is a WHOLE lot better than the one he has. So is the motherboard and RAM for that matter. If he doesn't want it, if anyone here is interested I will let it go for the same utterly insane low price as a complete package. Ready to use, turnkey.

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Speaking of 6000 CL26, this is the best that the garbage V-Color dual rank trash kit is capable of doing. I spent about 5 hours yesterday with it installed in the SFF build and it just doesn't have much to offer. As the low clock speeds it is capable of it performs actually quite well, it just can't hit any clock speeds that are worth a darn. It is not even bootable at 6400 in 1:1... debug code 00 on every attempt. Great example why one should never judge a book by its cover. With EXPO specs like this kit has one would think it is a fantastic memory kit, but it really sucks unless you run it close to stock. As sucky as it is, it will be good enough for the SFF build since it is not going to get put through the benching meat grinder. It will have a mundane existence that is limited to the mediocrity of web browsing and 3D gaming.

 

That really would be the best approach for @tps3443 if he wants to stick with AMD. Tested, qualified components and a clearly better sample 9950X3D2 than the one he is rocking now especially at a killer price.

 

I think you already tested CL26 6000 dual rank vs single rank before in gaming to see if there was any uplift like back in the day with dual rank DDR4 we found back on the forums with laptops? Still for someone running 6000 tight as possible, they could turn out to be the perfect set of sticks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

MONSTER SP98 270k for sale over on the OCN forums: https://www.overclock.net/threads/intel-core-ultra-270k-plus-sp98-p107-e95-mc64.1819986/?post_id=29603558#post-29603558

 

$755 shipped if one of you want to grab it and basically have prolly one of the best 270k's out there.

 

Too rich for my blood and I'm content with the SP85 for a third of the price for my needs....but if someone wants an absolute beast mode of a chip, snag it fast!

If I had not already purchased the 9950X3D2 I might have considered it, but 3x retail is too much even if it is an amazing silicon sample. It will be obsolete too soon to make it a smart buy. Kind of nutty when you think about it.

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

That really would be the best approach for @tps3443 if he wants to stick with AMD. Tested, qualified components and a clearly better sample 9950X3D2 than the one he is rocking now especially at a killer price.

No response from him yet. Crickets. I'm surprised that I didn't hear from him. I offered all of what I mentioned for $1600. You could not even buy the mobo and memory for that, not to mention all of the extras it would be like getting for free. Maybe he did not see my text message.

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I think you already tested CL26 6000 dual rank vs single rank before in gaming to see if there was any uplift like back in the day with dual rank DDR4 we found back on the forums with laptops? Still for someone running 6000 tight as possible, they could turn out to be the perfect set of sticks.

Yeah, there is not much difference in anything except memory benchmarks to be brutally honest about it. A little bit, for sure. Not a lot. And, a little bit doesn't mean very much when it comes to gaming, and it won't mean the difference between winning or losing. A little bit really matters when you've barely got enough to make things work.

[Papusan]

 

Where many of the 5090 goes. To China. Do Jensen care? Nope. He have never cared about rules/ restrictions or where his products goes. Overpriced 5090s due shortage keep Nvidia's partners happy. 

 

Asus have raised their prices for the US Store... 5090 TUF just $4400 before any tax. And the Astral 5090 LC OC cost now $5029,99 in their Store or +$3000 above MSRP for the 5090 FE. This looking good. Nice.

China sells servers with 288 water-cooled RTX 5090s, air conditioning, and their own power generator.

The RTX 5090 is considered the most powerful GeForce graphics card for gaming, being around 30% faster than the previous generation RTX 4090.

 

For some years now, China has faced limitations and restrictions imposed by the United States, preventing it from purchasing advanced AI hardware and graphics cards. For example, NVIDIA had to create cut-down versions of the RTX 4090 and RTX 5090, known as the RTX 4090D/5090D , the latter with a V2 version that represented yet another limitation. It's curious how, despite these restrictions, China continues to obtain these types of graphics cards by using third-party countries and exploiting this "gray area" of the market. Now we're seeing another use for these graphics cards: in China, they're selling servers inside shipping containers packed with RTX 5090 graphics cards.

 

[Mr. Fox]

16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

No response from him yet. Crickets. I'm surprised that I didn't hear from him. I offered all of what I mentioned for $1600. You could not even buy the mobo and memory for that, not to mention all of the extras it would be like getting for free. Maybe he did not see my text message.

@tps3443 let me know he is not able to obtain these items, so if anyone here is interested in grabbing it for $1600  let me know. If not I may list in the marketplace at oc.net for probably $1800.

• 9950X3D (delidded)
• IceMan Bare Die Block (or Thermal Grizzly Performance IHS - buyer choice)
• X870E Apex
• G.SKILL Trident Neo 6000 C26 32GB (2x16) 1.450V F5-8400J4052G24G
• Supercool Computer Direct Touch Memory Cooler kit

[tps3443]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@tps3443 let me know he is not able to obtain these items, so if anyone here is interested in grabbing it for $1600  let me know. If not I may list in the marketplace at oc.net for probably $1800.

• 9950X3D (delidded)
• IceMan Bare Die Block (or Thermal Grizzly Performance IHS - buyer choice)
• X870E Apex
• G.SKILL Trident Neo 6000 C26 32GB (2x16) 1.450V F5-8400J4052G24G
• Supercool Computer Direct Touch Memory Cooler kit

Id love to splurge on this. Great deal! But, I have to be smart. I don’t have a job anymore, so I’m completely self sufficient these days since May 2026. Things are going well, but I feel like bad luck can happen at any moment. So I have to be smart.

[Talon]

 

SP97 with just Noctua AIO. Was around 300w and 70c for a single run. Crazy good silicon. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Id love to splurge on this. Great deal! But, I have to be smart. I don’t have a job anymore, so I’m completely self sufficient these days since May 2026. Things are going well, but I feel like bad luck can happen at any moment. So I have to be smart.

You are being wise, and that's what all of us should be.

31 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

SP97 with just Noctua AIO. Was around 300w and 70c for a single run. Crazy good silicon. 

Fantastic score and yes, crazy good silicon

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I think the 9950X3D2 works best for me on a BIOS released several months before the CPU was released. On one hand it kind of sucks that A$$zeus has burned most of their calories on maximizing performance using the G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo 6000 CL26 part numbers but, on the other hand, if you own either of those kits it is awesome and you're happy that they have. This is using the A$$zeus 8000 BIOS profile. Fully tested... very fast and very stable.

 

These are not my best scores, but they are close and I haven't spent any time tuning the memory or the CPU. Just click and run in my crazy hot Arizona home office with a 78°F ambient temperature.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

SP97 with just Noctua AIO. Was around 300w and 70c for a single run. Crazy good silicon. 

 

Nice! How did 5.8 fare? 5.7 SP97 vs SP89 how much less heat and power draw assuming the Noctua could handle it on the SP89?

 

 

23 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If I had not already purchased the 9950X3D2 I might have considered it, but 3x retail is too much even if it is an amazing silicon sample. It will be obsolete too soon to make it a smart buy. Kind of nutty when you think about it.

 

I see Digital has dropped the price of that 270k down to $640 (or $655 PP FF shipped). Still not tempted atm as I am in the need of a major sell off of hardware to prepare for Nova with that lucious bllc (if it's anything like X3D, it is going to be a wrecking ball for Fallout 76 but we will see), but if there was ever a chance to snag a killer 270k for testing now would be it methinks....

 

Personally, I still think the problem with Nova Lake is even with superior SP ratings and silicon, we're just not seeing the insane clocks superior silicon provided with the likes of 13th and 14th gen. I'm only on an AIO, but 2x 265k and 270k all ended up at ~5.6ghz for me realistically. Even the poor first 265k SP77....

 

It gets close sometimes, but it still can't touch my SP109 14900ks in gaming.

 

@Mr. Fox you delidded your 270k. Are you seeing appreciable gains in performance or does it hit a wall that isn't thermally and voltage related?

 

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted though and the sooner it sells is the sooner the temptation is removed 🤣 Best scenario is one of us picks it up so I can at least ask questions and see results.

 

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4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Id love to splurge on this. Great deal! But, I have to be smart. I don’t have a job anymore, so I’m completely self sufficient these days since May 2026. Things are going well, but I feel like bad luck can happen at any moment. So I have to be smart.

 

Smart play. These are but toys and fun things. Family always comes first.

 

I still say you return the 9950X3D2 at the least and order another one or even step down to a 9850X3D unless you really want all those cores for gaming. You could get a 9850X3D + Strix open box for $753 vs the potential $1700+ you paid for the 9950X3D2 and Dark Hero if you're looking to shave a bit off the top and still retain gaming nirvana. No need to return the 5090 as it will keep gaining in value and you can sell it any time you want for what you paid for it and most likely more as time passes unless financial realities force a return and we've all been there.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I see Digital has dropped the price of that 270k down to $640 (or $655 PP FF shipped). Still not tempted atm as I am in the need of a major sell off of hardware to prepare for Nova with that lucious bllc (if it's anything like X3D, it is going to be a wrecking ball for Fallout 76 but we will see), but if there was ever a chance to snag a killer 270k for testing now would be it methinks....

 

Personally, I still think the problem with Nova Lake is even with superior SP ratings and silicon, we're just not seeing the insane clocks superior silicon provided with the likes of 13th and 14th gen. I'm only on an AIO, but 2x 265k and 270k all ended up at ~5.6ghz for me realistically. Even the poor first 265k SP77....

 

It gets close sometimes, but it still can't touch my SP109 14900ks in gaming.

 

@Mr. Fox you delidded your 270k. Are you seeing appreciable gains in performance or does it hit a wall that isn't thermally and voltage related?

 

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted though and the sooner it sells is the sooner the temptation is removed 🤣 Best scenario is one of us picks it up so I can at least ask questions and see results.

I sent him a PM asking for his PayPal. If he has not quietly sold it already I will buy it. Probably not a smart move, but most things we are passionate about produce behaviors that are not very intelligent. Too bad I already sent the delidder tool and heater back. This will drive me to sell the parts I had offered to @tps3443 to pay for it and fund the replacement motherboard, etc.

 

I honestly have not had time to put either the delidded 270K or delidded 9950X3D2 through their paces to say definitive gains in performance were achieved, but the massive thermal improvements alone made it worth the effort in both cases. I've had too many competing interests consuming my time. I'm going to expect decent performance gains on the 270K. I'd not expect as much from AMD simply because things are so limited by design by AMD. But I would delid them both again in a heartbeat just for the thermal gains even if nothing changed on either one in terms of performance. Bare die is the only way to fly.

 

I need you to build a custom loop and stop settling for an AIO, brother.

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Smart play. These are but toys and fun things. Family always comes first.

 

I still say you return the 9950X3D2 at the least and order another one or even step down to a 9850X3D unless you really want all those cores for gaming. You could get a 9850X3D + Strix open box for $753 vs the potential $1700+ you paid for the 9950X3D2 and Dark Hero if you're looking to shave a bit off the top and still retain gaming nirvana. No need to return the 5090 as it will keep gaining in value and you can sell it any time you want for what you paid for it and most likely more as time passes unless financial realities force a return and we've all been there.....

Since he spent more than I am offering to sell him the parts for he could come out ahead moneywise and with a better and stronger system if he were to return what he bought and use the money to pay for it. But, maybe the return window already closed. No matter the situation, I respect the decision to say no for the reasons that he did. Priorities are always God, family, work, play... in that order... and the first two are hard to separate. If the last two get out of order everything falls apart.

[Mr. Fox]

Listed at oc.net: X870E Apex - 9950X3D2 - G.SKILL 6000 C26 - Plus Extras Bundle

Listed here: 

 

[Talon]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I sent him a PM asking for his PayPal. If he has not quietly sold it already I will buy it. Probably not a smart move, but most things we are passionate about produce behaviors that are not very intelligent. Too bad I already sent the delidder tool and heater back. This will drive me to sell the parts I had offered to @tps3443 to pay for it and fund the replacement motherboard, etc.

 

I honestly have not had time to put either the delidded 270K or delidded 9950X3D2 through their paces to say definitive gains in performance were achieved, but the massive thermal improvements alone made it worth the effort in both cases. I've had too many competing interests consuming my time. I'm going to expect decent performance gains on the 270K. I'd not expect as much from AMD simply because things are so limited by design by AMD. But I would delid them both again in a heartbeat just for the thermal gains even if nothing changed on either one in terms of performance. Bare die is the only way to fly.

 

I need you to build a custom loop and stop settling for an AIO, brother.

Since he spent more than I am offering to sell him the parts for he could come out ahead moneywise and with a better and stronger system if he were to return what he bought and use the money to pay for it. But, maybe the return window already closed. No matter the situation, I respect the decision to say no for the reasons that he did. Priorities are always God, family, work, play... in that order... and the first two are hard to separate. If the last two get out of order everything falls apart.

 

Just saw you grabbed that SP98! I honestly debated grabbing it too. But this SP97 is so good already, I have no complaints with it. 

 

I'm able to game at 5.8Ghz P and 5.3Ghz E on this beast. @electrosoft 5.85Ghz P passed gaming for the short bit I tested, but got angry in geekbench of all things. This was all with no manual core voltage tuning though, just auto scaling. 

 

Percentage wise for gaming, over my SP89, it's about 5% faster in some tests for gaming. Nothing amazing, but what you'd expect from the clock speed bumps. 

[tps3443]

Hey @Mr. Fox I would buy your parts, but I actually bought my 9950X3D2 and Dark Hero and Ram with the BestBuy 0% store Credit Card. So, if I were to return it all, it just goes back to the card. I used the card because I was not sure if I was going to even like or keep the setup. So it was a way for me to give it a good run in and test it daily. 
 

It seems pretty solid, other than being a weaker sample. And, I still might return it all. If I do, I’ll maybe be going for a 270K Plus. But I have really Moved away from overclocking and XOC. I just play games when I have time. I’m so busy with buying junk cars these days. I pretty much just keep it simple man! 
 

Congrats on the binned 270K plus purchase! That is a very nice chip! 
 

This is a picture of my yard full of cars from a days work. 😂

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Hey @Mr. Fox I would buy your parts, but I actually bought my 9950X3D2 and Dark Hero and Ram with the BestBuy 0% store Credit Card. So, if I were to return it all, it just goes back to the card. I used the card because I was not sure if I was going to even like or keep the setup. So it was a way for me to give it a good run in and test it daily. 
 

It seems pretty solid, other than being a weaker sample. And, I still might return it all. If I do, I’ll maybe be going for a 270K Plus. But I have really Moved away from overclocking and XOC. I just play games when I have time. I’m so busy with buying junk cars these days. I pretty much just keep it simple man! 
 

Congrats on the binned 270K plus purchase! That is a very nice chip! 
 

This is a picture of my yard full of cars from a days work. 😂

 

 

 

No worries, brother. Putting the needs and concerns of your family first and the ability to provide for them takes precedent over anything else and you are making a good/right choice in doing that. I would be disappointed if you allowed any kind of hobby or fetish to draw your attention away from that duty. I only offered it in case you were interested and able. Since you are a friend I wanted you to have first crack at the stuff based on our recent communications about the CPU and memory overclocking experience you have had with it.

 

If your main use of the PC for pleasure is gaming there is no point in returning what you have or buying a 270K Plus CPU and Z890 mobo. AM5 is going to live quite a few more generations and what you have right now is way more than adequate for a world-class gaming experience.  Superior overclocking capabilities using the highest end parts (like those you already have) is not of any remarkable value in the context of gaming.  It would only be worthwhile for eking a little bit more life from an antiquated setup or marginally adequate hardware that stuggles with gaming workloads.

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So Asus is sending me an Asus X870E Crosshair Dark Hero all shiny new to evaluate and add to my collection which is nice. I'm going to hold off on putting the 9850X3D delidded combo in the current MB in LM form and do it all up with the revamped edition. Glad I found out before I tore down my current system to install it. Still might pop it in but with just paste for now because that's quick and easy to collect some baseline data. 

 

Wonder if I can get sent one of their newer AIOs that interface directly to the MB connectors? 🤪

 

My original Crosshair Hero is solid but the LCD is flickering a little (common problem) so I could RMA it for a new one or at least a repaired one to then sell off with the 9800X3D. I could also just switch the wifey to AM5 and sell off the 14900KS SP109, much needed to be retired Asus Strix-A Z690 (loose USB ports in the rear) and B-die 2x16 G.Skill 4000 sticks.

 

Does anyone in this thread still run a 13900k/14900k besides @Talon and I?

 

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13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I sent him a PM asking for his PayPal. If he has not quietly sold it already I will buy it. Probably not a smart move, but most things we are passionate about produce behaviors that are not very intelligent. Too bad I already sent the delidder tool and heater back. This will drive me to sell the parts I had offered to @tps3443 to pay for it and fund the replacement motherboard, etc.

 

I honestly have not had time to put either the delidded 270K or delidded 9950X3D2 through their paces to say definitive gains in performance were achieved, but the massive thermal improvements alone made it worth the effort in both cases. I've had too many competing interests consuming my time. I'm going to expect decent performance gains on the 270K. I'd not expect as much from AMD simply because things are so limited by design by AMD. But I would delid them both again in a heartbeat just for the thermal gains even if nothing changed on either one in terms of performance. Bare die is the only way to fly.

 

 

I saw that over there, congrats brother! Definitely looking forward to the lid and delid results! It's a top notch sample and best way, just like @Talon, to get the most out of it.

 

I'm working on it, lol. I think I want my ram water cooled equally as much as the CPU at this point. Even with a fan, temps are an issue 8000+. I suspect they could even provide a little bit of help on the low end too.

 

 

6 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Just saw you grabbed that SP98! I honestly debated grabbing it too. But this SP97 is so good already, I have no complaints with it. 

 

I'm able to game at 5.8Ghz P and 5.3Ghz E on this beast. @electrosoft 5.85Ghz P passed gaming for the short bit I tested, but got angry in geekbench of all things. This was all with no manual core voltage tuning though, just auto scaling. 

 

Percentage wise for gaming, over my SP89, it's about 5% faster in some tests for gaming. Nothing amazing, but what you'd expect from the clock speed bumps. 

 

Still being able to game at 5.8 is damn nice and that is with just auto scaling and no fine tuning. Power and thermal reductions must be nice too.

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Hey @Mr. Fox I would buy your parts, but I actually bought my 9950X3D2 and Dark Hero and Ram with the BestBuy 0% store Credit Card. So, if I were to return it all, it just goes back to the card. I used the card because I was not sure if I was going to even like or keep the setup. So it was a way for me to give it a good run in and test it daily. 
 

It seems pretty solid, other than being a weaker sample. And, I still might return it all. If I do, I’ll maybe be going for a 270K Plus. But I have really Moved away from overclocking and XOC. I just play games when I have time. I’m so busy with buying junk cars these days. I pretty much just keep it simple man! 
 

Congrats on the binned 270K plus purchase! That is a very nice chip! 
 

This is a picture of my yard full of cars from a days work. 😂

 

 

 

 

With credit flexibility, why not return it all and give a 270k a whirl to compare and contrast? Worse case, you return it and pick up another AM5. 270k would definitely be cheaper. At the very least, return the 9950X3D2 and try another one.

 

Sorry the job situation hasn't resolved itself yet but at least you have a good side job that seems to be paying dividends atm. Man, that's a lot of cars lol. What do you do with them exactly?