*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

More pict of the crocks bro @electrosoft🙃

 

What a heavy baby. Slightly below 1.3 kg. And the Alphacool XPX block clocking in at wimpy 0.350 kg. And this with an heavier steel backplate for the XPS block vs the lighter alu backplate from EK. 

 

 

But what a stupid block design from EK. You need to be born as an Vishnu or being married. Two hands ain't enough to mount this fully metal baby in your chassis. This block is meant to be mounted on the MB before you put it into your chassis. Yep, damn stupid design from EK.

 

Won't have to worry about that blowing away in the wind with that block....that's for sure....

 

....Crocs? Not so much. 🙂

 

Hopefully much better results this time around.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Won't have to worry about that blowing away in the wind with that block....that's for sure....

 

....Crocs? Not so much. 🙂

 

Hopefully much better results this time around.

 

 

I am eager to see Brother @Papusantemps as well. While not convenient, my Velocity2 block does every bit as good a job, perhaps slightly better, than the OptimusPC CPU block in terms of keeping the CPU cool. I am impressed with the appearance and results, but slightly put off by the inconvenience of the rear mounting hardware, much like I was with the Crosshair EK monoblock and the pain that was. However, I say that the monoblock was far worse because you had 4 additional screws for the VRM area that COULD NOT be accessed unless the motherboard was removed. The Velocity2 hardware is easily accessible as long as the hole in the motherboard tray is large enough. Both of mine are, but I have seen cases where the hole in the tray would not be large enough and difficult to access.

[Talon]

 

[tps3443]

I bought a Z690 motherboard and some DDR5. Retiring the 11900K and Z590 Dark to my other PC.

[Reciever]

Hey have you guys ever thought to try faster memory mods on older GPU's for benchmarking? 

 

I know that Khenglish had attempted something similar when he transplanted the 980 DT die to the 980m but I can't recall if that exercise was fruitful. 

 

I sae some on YouTube claim to double the vram, personally more interested in faster ram aspect, for now just as a interesting thought experiment. 

 

With my pursuit of qmk keyboard capability it seems all roads are leading to a soldering iron :D

 

Anyways got my toys today, sadly the eah4890's don't have tracking or have been delivered 

 

Ill be able to test if the 4980hq posts in the p157sm-a, hopefully Prema's magic will grant me a little breathing room in that regard. 

[tps3443]

10 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Hey have you guys ever thought to try faster memory mods on older GPU's for benchmarking? 

 

I know that Khenglish had attempted something similar when he transplanted the 980 DT die to the 980m but I can't recall if that exercise was fruitful. 

 

I sae some on YouTube claim to double the vram, personally more interested in faster ram aspect, for now just as a interesting thought experiment. 

 

With my pursuit of qmk keyboard capability it seems all roads are leading to a soldering iron 😄

 

Anyways got my toys today, sadly the eah4890's don't have tracking or have been delivered 

 

Ill be able to test if the 4980hq posts in the p157sm-a, hopefully Prema's magic will grant me a little breathing room in that regard. 

 

 

I know some people have de-soldered memory modules and soldered them on other GPU’s. (This is not as crazy as what you are suggesting though)
 

The 2080Ti only had the 14Gbps Samsung IC’s. When the 2080 Super came out it had the new 16.5Gbps Samsung IC’s. 
 

There is a article where a guy de-soldered the memory modules from two 2080 Supers, and then soldered them all on to a Galax HOF 2080Ti lol. He had to use (2) 2080 Supers, because the 2080 Supers only had 8GB, while the 2080Ti needed (11) memory chips to make up the 11gb of Vram. 
 

It worked too, and it was CRAZY fast. You could control memory voltage with the special Galax software only a handful of people had. And they had those memory modules screaming like 19-20gbps on a 2080Ti. 
 

 

MSI made a rare 2080Ti with these modules installed from the factory. It was called the MSI Trio Gaming Z.  The only 2080Ti to have the Samsung 18.5gbps IC’s from the factory. 
 

But yeah it’s definitely possible. Most GPU bios are built to support the different vendors IC’s. 
 

 

I imagine swapping the whole GPU die is possible as well. Only one way to find out!

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I bought a Z690 motherboard and some DDR5. Retiring the 11900K and Z590 Dark to my other PC.

 

Welcome to the club. 🙂 What did you end up going with?

 

 

[Papusan]

On 9/8/2022 at 6:46 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I have eight Koolance QD3 fittings and two Barrow QD fittings on Wraith and three Koolance QD2 (smaller) fittings on Banshee. Banshee has two EK D5 pumps and Wraith has two EK D5 and one Swiftec D5. What kind of QD fitting are you using? Even with 10 fittings on Wraith, I still have over 200 L/h flow rate. They certainly can affect the flow rate, but the impact doesn't seem significant in my situation. If I had to take a best guess, I would suspect the water block is the issue on your system. This is a newly introduced variable after moving from the AIO to the custom loop, and it is probably the weakest link because it is designed for much older CPUs.

The Alphacool D5 (fake) pump have 360 L/h flow rate (D5 have 1500 L/h at specs) at default max speed. I have added an 480 mm rad on top for that pump. I expect the default flow rate will sink as a stone.

 

See review of the XPS heatsink and the pump results....

https://www.enostech.com/alphacool-eisblock-xpx-aurora-edge-acrylic-digital-rgb-cpu-water-block-review/

 

Alphacool Eisbecher D5 – Thermaltake Pacific TF1 – Alphacool Eisbecher D5

The flow rate was taken after 5 minutes of running the loop. The flow rate came to 268 L/h which is quite low given that VPP775 is rated for up to 360 L/h at full speed.

 

We then introduced the block in the loop and repeat the test. The order was:

Alphacool Eisbecher D5 – Alphacool Eisblock XPX AURORA Edge – Thermaltake Pacific TF1 – Alphacool Eisbecher D5

The flow rate was once again taken after 5 minutes of the loop running. The flow rate came to 176 L/h which shows the restrictive design of the block.

 

With minor changes going from the XPX block to Ek block I can't put all the blame on the block. I wonder how much more restricted the flow will be with an second 480 mm as I already have added to the so called 350 L/h pump.

 

 

Edit.............

I think the EK-Quantum Kinetic TBE 200 D5 PWM D-RGB - Acetal is the only option we have here home for sale (order outside Norway and add up to 35% on top). And the EK D5 pump (1500 L/h) from EK is verified to be geniune pump from the pump manufacturer. No real/genuine D5 pump offer 1/4 of the  capacity as 350 L/h spec.

What other options do I have?

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Won't have to worry about that blowing away in the wind with that block....that's for sure....

 

....Crocs? Not so much. 🙂

 

Hopefully much better results this time around.

 

 

Not by much. There have to be something else. See post above.

 

52/45/42@stock voltage in CBR23 and around 70-72C

 

53/45/42@stock voltage in CBR23 and around 85C@311W

 

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am eager to see Brother @Papusantemps as well. While not convenient, my Velocity2 block does every bit as good a job, perhaps slightly better, than the OptimusPC CPU block in terms of keeping the CPU cool. I am impressed with the appearance and results, but slightly put off by the inconvenience of the rear mounting hardware, much like I was with the Crosshair EK monoblock and the pain that was. However, I say that the monoblock was far worse because you had 4 additional screws for the VRM area that COULD NOT be accessed unless the motherboard was removed. The Velocity2 hardware is easily accessible as long as the hole in the motherboard tray is large enough. Both of mine are, but I have seen cases where the hole in the tray would not be large enough and difficult to access.

I really hate the mounting. And it's a lot worse if you have a huge chassis (difficult to mount on both side at same time without help). And the block is huge and heavy. Re-paste with this new block is an awful task.

 

Edit. Found a review of the EK block on Overclocking.com

https://en.overclocking.com/labo-waterblock-ek-quantum-velocity²/

 

Tried compare the results (score and temps)... My higher score is maybe because I run with higher cashe or baby cores vs reviewers on OC.com. But the temps ain't very different.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Looks like the seller I bought from now has two more sticks of SK Hynix M-die for sale 

 

Here is more info on A-die. Generic SK Hynix HMCG78AGBUA081N module part number. The memory IC part number for A-die is H5CG48AGBDX018. The JEDEC clock speed for A-die is 5600 versus 4800 for M-die and it seems like the increase in overclock headroom is similar. A-die is not in full production yet and modules using the IC are difficult to find and very expensive.

 

https://www.igorslab.de/en/second-generation-ddr5-ic-sk-hynix-16-gbit-a-die-2x-16-gb-modules-review-with-overclocking-and-gaming-benchmarks/

 

 

[tps3443]

I own one of those Alphacool VPP755 V3 pumps, it has been running 24/7 since I got my waterchiller. Several revisions were made due to early failure, but that was years ago as far as I know they are good pumps now. I will say though, it has been a excellent water pump. I know the VPP755V3 does have more head pressure than a traditional D5. I have a normal 40 watt D5, and a VPP755V3 both running. The VPP755V3 is responsible for increasing the flow rate between the water chiller and back to the components. And I have flow rate for days. 
 

The VPP755 will work far better at low or minimum rpm speeds than a D5 will at low or minimum speeds. But I feel like the D5 flows slightly faster at full tilt speeds, not enough to matter though.

 

I’d run another one no problem if my pumps ever failed.

 

13 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Welcome to the club. 🙂 What did you end up going with?

 

 

I bought Mr.fox’s parts. 

[cylix]

Holy molly, EVGA terminates NVIDIA Partnership!

 

 

[Reciever]

6 minutes ago, cylix said:

Holy molly, EVGA terminates NVIDIA Partnership!

 

 

Going to watch this as soon as I can, they've been solo Nvidia for quite some time. 

[electrosoft]

 

[tps3443]

38 minutes ago, cylix said:

Holy molly, EVGA terminates NVIDIA Partnership!

 

 

 

I am fortunate to have had the opportunity to own the last great 3090 Kingpin flagship GPU  during the period of its prime. That GPU has countless hours of gaming, VR, benching, and working under its belt all while being overclocked to the maximum lol. (I still do own it) 
 

I always wanted one when I was younger through my 20’s. But never could really afford to buy one. So, at least I got to experience that. 
 

 

I really hate to see EVGA go. But in the end they stood up for right and wrong.

[electrosoft]

8 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

I am fortunate to have had the opportunity to own the last great 3090 Kingpin flagship GPU  during the period of its prime. That GPU has countless hours of gaming, VR, benching, and working under its belt all while being overclocked to the maximum lol. (I still do own it) 
 

I always wanted one when I was younger through my 20’s. But never could really afford to buy one. So, at least I got to experience that. 
 

 

I really hate to see EVGA go. But in the end they stood up for right and wrong.

 

I've been using EVGA GPUs since 2005/6 almost exclusively and KPEs since the 980 (skipped the 2080ti). This is going to be weird not seeing their cards from this point on.

 

I was already talking about skipping the 4000 series and waiting for the 5000 series KPE.

 

I expect EVGA to either offer AMD cards and/or come back on board down the line with the 5000 series.

 

Hopefully many other AIBs will stand up and say enough is enough and demand better treatment.

 

And I agree, I greatly enjoyed (and still enjoy) my KPE 3090 and 3090ti. I just didn't realize it was the last hurrah for their GPU offerings. 😞

 

Now when I'm playing FO76 or WoW this and next year I'll wistfully look towards my case and sigh knowing this is it.

 

 

[Papusan]

What next? Will we now all be flooded with graphics cards similar as for the  laptop Jockey*s ?  Best advice... As usual... Wait for proper reviews. And one review ain't enough. Do your Due dilligence. Awesome is soon DEAD!!! Being in desktop land ain’t any different than living in Jokebook- land.

 

What with unlocked vBios? Maybe HOF will continue offer it... Only for a very few fab benchers/or some chosen ones and not for the ordinary graphics cards buyers. The usual from HOF. Just lovely.

 

 

And this great news will cost Nvidia a lot (same for AMD). A Flooded market with loads used cards (miners bought 35% of all cards from Nvidia) and people have less to spend for coming new tech. Hope Jensen will love it... Greed will always lose. Or will it win?

 

 

GPU Mining No Longer Profitable After Ethereum Merge

 

Nvidia now....

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

This is very sad. I have purchased EXCLUSIVELY the EVGA brand in video cards since I ceased having an interest in AMD GPU trash. Not sure what I am going to do because ASUS, Gigabutt and others produce garbage with absolutely HORRID warranty service. Buying defective junk likely to fail, and difficult to get replaced is a bad way to live.

[Reciever]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is very sad. I have purchased EXCLUSIVELY the EVGA brand in video cards since I ceased having an interest in AMD GPU trash. Not sure what I am going to do because ASUS, Gigabutt and others produce garbage with absolutely HORRID warranty service. Buying defective junk likely to fail, and difficult to get replaced is a bad way to live.

 

Honestly I think this will also hit Nvidia quite a bit. I didnt like any other vendor and to be honest they were the primary factor to me, nvidia being secondary when I looked at their products.

 

Its been a while now that we have known Nvidia has been a terrible partner to all, you can only run that way for so long before people arent willing to deal with it anymore.

 

 

In other news, I picked up 2x GTX 690's for 60/each to pair with the accelero coolers, only gone as far as tri-sli in the past so this will be a first for Quad-SLI, luckily due to mining I have 4x 1200w PSU's plus the 1300w EVGA PSU. Its going to be a fun Winter combing through 2010-2012 GPU's on @Mr. Fox's old 10850K platform. Probably closer to how he would like for me to use it anyways eh? 

[Mr. Fox]

20 minutes ago, Reciever said:

 

Honestly I think this will also hit Nvidia quite a bit. I didnt like any other vendor and to be honest they were the primary factor to me, nvidia being secondary when I looked at their products.

 

Its been a while now that we have known Nvidia has been a terrible partner to all, you can only run that way for so long before people arent willing to deal with it anymore.

 

 

In other news, I picked up 2x GTX 690's for 60/each to pair with the accelero coolers, only gone as far as tri-sli in the past so this will be a first for Quad-SLI, luckily due to mining I have 4x 1200w PSU's plus the 1300w EVGA PSU. Its going to be a fun Winter combing through 2010-2012 GPU's on @Mr. Fox's old 10850K platform. Probably closer to how he would like for me to use it anyways eh? 

I suspect it will hurt NVIDIA. We could see other AIB partner decide to follow in their shoes. Revolution has a side benefit that it usually grows stronger once someone with the gonads has the gumption to draw first blood. I'd kind of like to see it, too. I don't love NVIDIA, but I like AMD less. I am all for inflicting severe, long-lasting and catastrophic financial or devastating physical harm on big companies and governmental bodies that abuse their power and don't do exactly what the people that allow them the undeserved luxury to exist want done. I see it as justice working itself out. 

 

EVGA says they are not going to work with AMD, so we will have to see if that holds true. I can see reasons where they would not want to. They are probably no easier to get along with than NVIDIA. I might consider giving AMD another shot if EVGA were building them. One of the biggest issues, secondary to crap drivers, I have had with AMD has been sketchy reliability. EVGA is known for quality and if anyone were to affect that in a positive way it would be them.

[electrosoft]

According to GN video (as reported by EVGA and personal extrapolation):

 

~78% of sales are GPU (but low to no profitability)

~20% of sales are PSU (300% profitability)

~2% are motherboards and misc (this is surprising)

 

20% layoff makes sense as they informed Nvidia in April 2022 their intentions to sever their partnership. Nvidia had almost 5 months to make right and didn't.

 

Wondering where Vince will go?

 

 

 

Facts as told to Steve:

 

 

Primary reason for terminating partnership = can't compete with Nvidia and FE editions and pricing down along with Nvidia not listening finalized with EVGA losing hundreds per card sale from the 3080 12gb and up even with the older less severe price cuts:

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

are you guys f***ing kidding meeeee!?!? there i go having dinner with my lady, watching few episodes of The Boys, followed by some glorious gaming on my brand new Odyssey Neo G8 and what do I see on youtube when sitting on the can? no more EVGA gpus from the green camp, what. the. heck.

 

ask bro @Mr. Fox i was JUST getting ready to buy my very first EVGA gpu with the upcoming 40 series....😅

 

but u know something, after the first shock subsided im thinking: this might be the best time to switch camps in a looong time... RDNA3 should be as competitive as ever, why do u think Nvidia is cranking up the wattages so crazy high? no other option to stay top dog, kinda reminds me of what Intel did in recent years to stay on top of Ryzen... interesting times guys...

 

btw, guess how fast and steeply priced those last ever EVGA gpus will be @40 series engineering samples. priceless!

 

@electrosoftVince is the very last guy im worried about haha. any other vendors will lick their fingers to hire him. just the question if hes still in the mood after this...who knows, AMD Kingpin cards, anyone, manufactured by, say, Asus? that would be so weird haha 😋

[ryan]

59 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am all for inflicting severe, long-lasting and catastrophic financial or devastating physical harm on big companies and governmental bodies that abuse their power and don't do exactly what the people that allow them the undeserved luxury to exist want done.

lmfao...nice one bro....I laughed pretty hard so true so true

[Reciever]

51 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

According to GN video (as reported by EVGA and personal extrapolation):

 

~78% of sales are GPU (but low to no profitability)

~20% of sales are PSU (300% profitability)

~2% are motherboards and misc (this is surprising)

 

20% layoff makes sense as they informed Nvidia in April 2022 their intentions to sever their partnership. Nvidia had almost 5 months to make right and didn't.

 

Wondering where Vince will go?

 

 

 

Facts as told to Steve:

 

 

Primary reason for terminating partnership = can't compete with Nvidia and FE editions and pricing down along with Nvidia not listening finalized with EVGA losing hundreds per card sale from the 3080 12gb and up even with the older less severe price cuts:

 

 

 

The last graphic is what truly seemed baffling to me. Though with my family and its orbit around Auto dealerships it makes 0 sense to accept losses at all for your luxury product. Though admittedly my understanding of the GPU business is nil. So perhaps you guys can correct me if this metaphor is flat wrong. Typically for Automotive, the Camry sells itself, what you want is people buying Suburban's.

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I suspect it will hurt NVIDIA. We could see other AIB partner decide to follow in their shoes. Revolution has a side benefit that it usually grows stronger once someone with the gonads has the gumption to draw first blood. I'd kind of like to see it, too. I don't love NVIDIA, but I like AMD less. I am all for inflicting severe, long-lasting and catastrophic financial or devastating physical harm on big companies and governmental bodies that abuse their power and don't do exactly what the people that allow them the undeserved luxury to exist want done. I see it as justice working itself out. 

 

EVGA says they are not going to work with AMD, so we will have to see if that holds true. I can see reasons where they would not want to. They are probably no easier to get along with than NVIDIA. I might consider giving AMD another shot if EVGA were building them. One of the biggest issues, secondary to crap drivers, I have had with AMD has been sketchy reliability. EVGA is known for quality and if anyone were to affect that in a positive way it would be them.

 

The CEO of EVGA seems to be of an older mentality. So while he's miffed at Nvidia for pursuing profits over partnerships I can see how that doesnt automatically mean he's running towards AMD or Intel. Overall however, especially in these trying times (and speculatively looking worse) people should be hoping that they can recover that relationship and/or find another vendor to be partner to, not because EVGA needs them but because we do. EVGA is one of the few corporate entities that has the best warranties and generally from my limited perspective has a positive relationship with their customers.

[Papusan]

On 9/15/2022 at 7:06 PM, electrosoft said:

 

Won't have to worry about that blowing away in the wind with that block....that's for sure....

 

....Crocs? Not so much. 🙂

 

Hopefully much better results this time around.

 

 

For the first time I have put the build as it is meant t o be on thew web ...Kill me.... But I still want black bro. Probbly not what bro @Talon. But BLACK

 

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I own one of those Alphacool VPP755 V3 pumps, it has been running 24/7 since I got my waterchiller. Several revisions were made due to early failure, but that was years ago as far as I know they are good pumps now. I will say though, it has been a excellent water pump. I know the VPP755V3 does have more head pressure than a traditional D5. I have a normal 40 watt D5, and a VPP755V3 both running. The VPP755V3 is responsible for increasing the flow rate between the water chiller and back to the components. And I have flow rate for days. 
 

The VPP755 will work far better at low or minimum rpm speeds than a D5 will at low or minimum speeds. But I feel like the D5 flows slightly faster at full tilt speeds, not enough to matter though.

 

I’d run another one no problem if my pumps ever failed.

 

I bought Mr.fox’s parts. 

sorry I havent the data now.-...... But 1/4th lower flow rate sucks. And high pressure (4.0 vs 3.9 real D5 pump) is worthless vs 4 times higher  flow. High flow beat high presssure any day.

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is very sad. I have purchaBed EXCLUSIVELY the EVGA brand in video cards since I ceased having an interest in AMD GPU trash. Not sure what I am going to do because ASUS, Gigabutt and others produce garbage with absolutely HORRID warranty service. Buying defective junk likely to fail, and difficult to get replaced is a bad way to live.

 

[Ashtrix]

Look what Green Goblin CEO thinks.

 

 

Just like almost every single garbage spewing company out there wants to become like that horrendous anti consumer nonsense corporation Apple.

 

Apple kicked Nvidia to the curb long time back they probably want that HPC money so tried to buy ARM got beaten hard. Good. Because not that ARM is great but their business practices are bad.

 

Now Apple like vertical integration.... Well I will go a bit tangent but the core gist is same. Look at Google they axed Android's Open Source formula by crippling AOSP apps and making the OS dependent on Play Store API blocks and nuked filesystem made it into iOS. Samsung shamed Apple about 3.5mm jack and notch now their tablets have notches and no more chargers SD cards etc. Microsoft ? Surface pure trash with BGA thin and light taking more spotlight, copying Apple UI into dumbed down trash for Windows 11 and even Win32 Shell as well downgraded to the point of no return. What's latest ? eSIM. iPhone 14 in USA doesn't have SIM physical slot anymore.

 

So basically skipping on parts and components and going full vertical = more greed not surprising this is the new motto of Nvidia who doesn't respect their own damn AIB partners.

 

Jensen Huang's famous quote - "The more you buy the more you save".

 

I respect the guy for making a company out but also scamming the damn out of consumers is absolute trash behavior, GTX970 GPU VRAM fiasco of 3.5GB, Heck the 3080 was gimped pretty bad on that front as well with it's VRAM. How about the RTX 2070 having a low end silicon cut only to be replaced by 2070S next year with actual silicon grade ? Ampere 3090 cards on that garbage game from Amazon MMO New World failing (Thanks to garbage power delivery on all 3090 cards, only the Ti fixes it - Buildzoid, wish I watched the video before), Cancerous Falcon firmware to protect vBIOS, MXM axed and replaced by trash Max Q filth. What not. No proper drivers for Linux on top.

 

GNs video is pretty much hit on spot from start to end. Good video by Steve. EVGA tried a lot with the mining craze went way overboard by ordering too much and now post GPU crash and Inflation at 9% in America where EVGA primarily operates unlike ASUS, MSI, GB. Nvidia on the other hand, absolute trash practices, remember 3080Ti price ? Until the last min nobody thought the $200 markup. Add LHR, extra VRAM DLC type scheme for upcoming 40 series.

 

Also they cannot simply make Radeon 7000 because it needs a ton of testing and QC plus lot of work. EVGA's AM4 X570 was also too late to the market. No wonder they are taking this stance. And Kingpin leaving as well. TiN leaving already put a dent in EVGA imo. xdevs website for Z490 and up do not exist at all.

 

Shame that a respectable company is going away from the market. This will have a huge impact to them. Mobo business is so less now they might not even prioritize much probably Z790 DARK is already designed.

 

I hope AMD does better marketing PR and beat this company in a way that their market share drops and makes them think better.